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Cyclone792
05-25-2006, 12:52 AM
I was thinking about this earlier today, and just for kicks I hastily put together a 25 man all-time Reds roster.

FWIW, I judged each player by their entire career, but I tried to only consider players who played more games for the Reds than any other single team (meaning guys such as Tom Seaver and John Franco were excluded). For the bullpen, I simply chose one reliever followed by who I believe are the next best pitchers, regardless if they were starters or not. Lastly, I also excluded all currently active Reds players.

Anyway, here's what I came up with after thinking it over for a few minutes ...


Lineup
LF Pete Rose
SS Barry Larkin
2B Joe Morgan
RF Frank Robinson
C Johnny Bench
1B Tony Perez
CF Edd Roush
3B Heinie Groh

Rotation
SP Bucky Walters
SP Paul Derringer
SP Eppa Rixey
SP Dolf Luque

Bench
C Ernie Lombardi
1B Ted Kluszewski
IF Davey Concepcion
IF Bid McPhee
OF Vada Pinson
OF George Foster

Bullpen
SP Noodles Hahn
SP Jim Maloney
SP Jose Rijo
SP Pete Donohue
SP Johnny Vander Meer
SP Ewell Blackwell
CL Clay Carroll

redsrule2500
05-25-2006, 02:01 AM
Looks good to me...

RedsManRick
05-25-2006, 02:38 AM
It would be interesting to see that list by single season as well. I wish I was a few years older so I could remember Eric Davis in '86 & '87 -- those stats are awesome.

1987: .293/.399/.593, 37 HR, 50 SB, GG in CF -- and only played in 129 games...

BCubb2003
05-25-2006, 02:55 AM
I suppose it would be too weird to do an all-time true 25-man roster, as in, the best all-time 25th man, the best all-time 24th man, the best fifth starter, etc.

Guacarock
05-25-2006, 04:56 AM
One beef.

It's cheating to insert starting pitchers like Jim Maloney and Jose Rijo into the bullpen.

We have such a grand tradition of producing quality relievers that the pen ought to be stocked with bona fide middle men, setup artists and closers.

You can't advance a legitimate All-Time Reds squad and exclude every member of the Nasty Boys.

savafan
05-25-2006, 05:33 AM
Here would be mine:

Lineup:

2B Joe Morgan
SS Barry Larkin
3B Pete Rose
LF Frank Robinson
C Johnny Bench
CF Edd Roush
1B Tony Perez
RF Wally Post

Rotation:

Mario Soto
Johnny Vander Meer
Bucky Walters
Eppa Rixey
Jim Maloney

Bench:

SS Davey Concepcion
1B Ted Kluszewski
2B Bid McPhee
OF Vada Pinson
SS George Wright
C Bubbles Hargrave

Bullpen:

Dolf Luque
Wayne Granger
Harry Wright
Rob Dibble
Danny Graves
Clay Carroll

RedsBaron
05-25-2006, 07:46 AM
Cyclone's list looks good. I'd drop Frey as a second reserve infielder so I could add Eric Davis to the team, giving me more speed, power and defense.
I might drop Vander Meer and maybe Donohue to add a couple of relief pitchers.

Cyclone792
05-25-2006, 09:19 AM
I knew I was forgetting somebody, and that somebody was Bid McPhee. I'm dropping Frey and installing McPhee on the bench for the infield.

Rick brought up single season, and this gets very interesting ...


Lineup
LF Pete Rose, 1969
SS Barry Larkin, 1995
2B Joe Morgan, 1975
RF Frank Robinson, 1962
C Johnny Bench, 1972
1B Ted Kluszewski, 1954
CF Cy Seymour, 1905
3B Heinie Groh, 1917

Rotation
SP Bucky Walters, 1939
SP Dolf Luque, 1923
SP Ewell Blackwell, 1947
SP Noodles Hahn, 1902

Bench
C Ernie Lombardi, 1938
IF Tony Perez, 1970
IF Bid McPhee, 1892
OF Edd Roush, 1919
OF Eric Davis, 1987
OF George Foster, 1977

Bullpen
SP Paul Derringer, 1939
SP Jim Maloney, 1965
SP Jose Rijo, 1993
RP Clay Carroll, 1970
RP Rob Dibble, 1990
RP John Franco, 1988
RP Danny Graves, 2000

Three things will probably stand out to most people: Perez's big seasons on the bench, Foster's big season on the bench and ED's big season on the bench. One change I made is I did take the liberty of moving Rose to LF in 1969 even though he played RF and CF that season.

The Seymour 1905 season and Groh 1917 season are probably headscratchers to some people, especially with the guys on the bench that I've got, but Seymour and Groh were monsters during those seasons when putting them into context of era (Groh also played in a pitcher's park in 1917).

Lastly, regarding Pete Rose ... people always think of him as a longevity, career value kind of guy, and sometimes I think when they do that they forget just how great Rose was during his peak. His 1969 season was his best, IMO, and it was nothing short of an absolutely phenomenal year.

butlerbulldogs
05-25-2006, 10:13 AM
if you are doing season's then, wouldn't griffey's first year here make it what he have 40/120?

TRF
05-25-2006, 05:22 PM
if you are doing season's then, wouldn't griffey's first year here make it what he have 40/120?

He's excluding active Reds.