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05-25-2006, 08:28 PM
God, I hate the Steelers.

By Joe Starkey
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, May 25, 2006

OK, it's not quite as advanced as Steelers-Raiders of the 1970s.
Not yet, anyway.

We haven't seen anything like the time Raiders safety George Atkinson sued Chuck Noll for slander after Noll accused Atkinson (who'd knocked future Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Lynn Swann cold) of being part of the Raiders' "criminal element."

But we're getting there.

The Steelers-Cincinnati Bengals rivalry has reached a boiling point. In May. We're two months shy of training camp, three shy of the teams' first clash of 2006 and six shy of the season finale New Year's Eve at Paul Brown Stadium (bring your party hats).

The latest salvo came from an unlikely source -- injured and normally mild-mannered Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer, who told Sports Illustrated that he "hates the Steelers" and was upset when they won the Super Bowl.

Not exactly lawsuit material, but eye-opening nonetheless.

"I keep thinking about how much, back in college, I hated UCLA," Palmer told SI's Michael Silver. "I hate the Steelers more than I hate UCLA. Yeah, it's because I'm jealous and want what they have. ... It's how everybody in our locker room feels."

I dutifully brought this quote to the Steelers' attention Wednesday.

"Carson Palmer only beat us one time, so he should hate us," said linebacker Larry Foote, who knows the Steelers are 4-1 against the Bengals in the Palmer era. "I'd hate a team, too, if I only beat them one time and (lost) in the playoffs."

I asked Foote to gauge the Bengals' bitterness toward the Kimo von Oelhoffen hit that blew out Palmer's knee early in the Steelers' playoff victory.

"They self-destructed and started crying," Foote said. "But, you know, that's the game. People get hurt. You just have to get yourself together, get your composure. They lost it. ... When teams are forcing your will on you, it's going to make you do crazy stuff."

Cornerback Ike Taylor didn't know quite what to make of Palmer's comments.

"Wow," Taylor said. "He said he hates the Steelers? That's pretty much a strong statement, but, hey, everybody's entitled to their own opinion."

Here's one: The Steelers-Bengals rivalry has become the hottest in the NFL. Its official launching point, I'd argue, was when Troy Polamalu plastered Palmer -- his former USC teammate and housemate -- at the goal line to clinch a 28-17 victory Oct. 3, 2004, at Heinz Field.

It heated up in training camp last year, when Bengals receiver Chad Johnson insulted the entire Steelers' secondary, and continued through a Steelers' victory in Cincinnati and a Bengals victory at Heinz Field, one that all but clinched the AFC North title.

After that one, you'll recall, Johnson compared the Steelers to a black-and-white TV.

A little more than a month later, immediately after the Steelers gained revenge in the playoffs, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis took an indirect shot at Roethlisberger, and NFL Films captured Steelers coach Bill Cowher performing a version of the Bengals "Who Dey" chant in the locker room.

He would do the chant again -- repeatedly -- at the Super Bowl parade.

Think that'll be replayed in Bengals camp during Steelers week?

"They can do whatever," Foote said. "They know deep down inside what we bring to the table. They know it, and they're just not ready yet. Our coaches and our players were just a step ahead of them. Hopefully, we keep it going. We're going to play them twice again and maybe in the playoffs. I'm looking forward to it."

Who's not?

Joe Starkey is a sports writer for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. He can be reached at jstarkey@tribweb.com

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TeamBoone
05-25-2006, 08:38 PM
"Carson Palmer only beat us one time, so he should hate us," said linebacker Larry Foote, who knows the Steelers are 4-1 against the Bengals in the Palmer era. "I'd hate a team, too, if I only beat them one time and (lost) in the playoffs."

Gee, and I wonder who's fault it is that Palmer only got one shot at the Steelers.


I asked Foote to gauge the Bengals' bitterness toward the Kimo von Oelhoffen hit that blew out Palmer's knee early in the Steelers' playoff victory.

"They self-destructed and started crying," Foote said. "But, you know, that's the game. People get hurt. You just have to get yourself together, get your composure. They lost it. ... When teams are forcing your will on you, it's going to make you do crazy stuff."

Hmmm, wonder how he'd feel if the Bengals brought Benny Boy down on the first play of the game....


Cornerback Ike Taylor didn't know quite what to make of Palmer's comments.

"Wow," Taylor said. "He said he hates the Steelers? That's pretty much a strong statement, but, hey, everybody's entitled to their own opinion."

Didn't Palmer say he hates the Steelers because he wants what they have?

WVRed
05-27-2006, 06:42 PM
Didn't Palmer say he hates the Steelers because he wants what they have?

Isn't that pretty much the same thing as jealousy?

And im a Bengals fan. I don't look for the Bengals, or Steelers for that matter to win the AFC North, Baltimore will shock everybody.

deltachi8
05-27-2006, 07:16 PM
Isn't that pretty much the same thing as jealousy?

And im a Bengals fan. I don't look for the Bengals, or Steelers for that matter to win the AFC North, Baltimore will shock everybody.

Not unless they find a competent QB and Ray Lewis goes back in time about 3 years.

Raisor
05-27-2006, 09:14 PM
Didn't Shelby Foote die last year? And if not, why would he be shooting at 24's President Palmer?

I'm confused.

CrackerJack
05-27-2006, 09:15 PM
Cornerback Ike Taylor didn't know quite what to make of Palmer's comments.

"Wow," Taylor said. "He said he hates the Steelers? That's pretty much a strong statement, but, hey, everybody's entitled to their own opinion."

I'm glad they asked Mr. Taylor about his reactions to the comments, his response was very interesting and insightful - worth my time to read.

Palmer and Ben make for a good long time rivalry set-up the division hasn't seen since the Boomer-Kosar days.

WVRed
05-27-2006, 10:30 PM
Not unless they find a competent QB and Ray Lewis goes back in time about 3 years.

Ray Lewis isnt even the most feared player on that defense. Ed Reed has done most of the work and is hardly recognized.

Both Lewis and Reed were injured last season. Haloti Ngata was brought in to open up Lewis to get to the quarterback. The wild card on defense is Trevor Pryce, who should help in the 4-3 the Ravens are using now.

I'm picking the Ravens to win the AFC North not because they are better, but because the other two teams with a chance have problems. Palmer had been projected to "possibly" miss the first four games of the season. Even if he is healthy, three of the first four games are against Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and New England. With the Bengals strength of schedule, I wouldnt be surprised to see them finishing third in the division.

Pittsburgh is going to be determined on whether or not Heath Miller or Santonio Holmes can step up to fill the void left by Antwan Randle El and if they can replace Kimo and Chris Hope on defense. I think right now the division could be Pittsburghs to lose and Baltimores to gain.

I'd love to be proven wrong, however.

redsfanfalcon
05-31-2006, 11:00 PM
I love it. I think it is great for the game and great for the Bengals. Although I love baseball, I can't wait for the first Bengals game.

deltachi8
06-03-2006, 09:09 AM
Ray Lewis isnt even the most feared player on that defense. Ed Reed has done most of the work and is hardly recognized.

Both Lewis and Reed were injured last season. Haloti Ngata was brought in to open up Lewis to get to the quarterback. The wild card on defense is Trevor Pryce, who should help in the 4-3 the Ravens are using now.

I'm picking the Ravens to win the AFC North not because they are better, but because the other two teams with a chance have problems. Palmer had been projected to "possibly" miss the first four games of the season. Even if he is healthy, three of the first four games are against Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and New England. With the Bengals strength of schedule, I wouldnt be surprised to see them finishing third in the division.

Pittsburgh is going to be determined on whether or not Heath Miller or Santonio Holmes can step up to fill the void left by Antwan Randle El and if they can replace Kimo and Chris Hope on defense. I think right now the division could be Pittsburghs to lose and Baltimores to gain.

I'd love to be proven wrong, however.

I think its a two team race, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. I think the loss of Randle El is over-rated, he was average as a WR and Holmes (if he doesn't turn out to be an idiot) will be better in short order. His punt returns will be missed more, but they drafted two good returners. Kimo was getting a bit long in the tooth and Keisel should be fine there.

I'm not sure if the Bengals have done enough on D, but they will be better there. Alot depends on when Palmer can play full force. I expect both teams to make the playoffs, but have no idea in what order.

I am not impressed with the Ravens at all.

All that said, I can wait for September, I need time to recover from the terrific Hockey playoffs and enjoy baseball again.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 10:18 AM
There are two teams I would "run the score up" on if I had the chance.

Pittsburgh, and Baltimore.

I have no love for either of those teams, absolutely none.

WVRed
06-04-2006, 12:50 PM
There are two teams I would "run the score up" on if I had the chance.

Pittsburgh, and Baltimore.

I have no love for either of those teams, absolutely none.

Throw Cleveland in there, just because they are Cleveland.

Jaycint
06-04-2006, 09:12 PM
What? Nothing from The Mouth? Is Joey Porter in jail and unable to comment right now or something? Man I hate this team more than I have ever hated any other. In any sport. Ever. That's good though, makes for more fun when the season rolls around.

deltachi8
06-05-2006, 09:04 AM
What? Nothing from The Mouth? Is Joey Porter in jail and unable to comment right now or something? Man I hate this team more than I have ever hated any other. In any sport. Ever. That's good though, makes for more fun when the season rolls around.

Joey was in jail actually, visiting various Bengals.

:mooner:

DTCromer
06-05-2006, 08:09 PM
I'm still wondering why Foote is firing back at Palmer. Firing back requires you to be fired at first.

Jaycint
06-06-2006, 01:36 PM
Joey was in jail actually, visiting various Bengals.

:mooner:

See being a UC fan I've grown so accustomed to this type of barb that it really doesn't bother me anymore. ;)

deltachi8
06-06-2006, 02:24 PM
See being a UC fan I've grown so accustomed to this type of barb that it really doesn't bother me anymore. ;)

:laugh:

BigRed
06-07-2006, 08:46 PM
I agree with Carson. I hate the Steelers with a passion. I don't care what anyone says. Kimo took out Carson on purpose. He had plenty of time to have avoided that hit. I also believe that Cowher encouraged someone to take out Carson. His who dey stuff also was a new all time low in no class. Bottom line, the Bengals would have won that game with Carson in there.

WVRed
06-07-2006, 09:02 PM
I agree with Carson. I hate the Steelers with a passion. I don't care what anyone says. Kimo took out Carson on purpose. He had plenty of time to have avoided that hit. I also believe that Cowher encouraged someone to take out Carson. His who dey stuff also was a new all time low in no class. Bottom line, the Bengals would have won that game with Carson in there.

I disagree.

Kimo basically fell into Palmer, and if you want to blame somebody, Eric Steinbach had a better shot at preventing the injury than Kimo did.

Whether or not the Bengals would have won or not is something we will never know, but keep in mind we did not have the greatest success in the last two weeks leading up to the playoffs.