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REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:29 AM
I understand that he felt bad after taking a catcher out in mid inning, but it was a crucial time in the game. After the game he acted he just did the worst thing in the history of the universe......

I guess it's good that he cares about his players, though.

cumberlandreds
05-26-2006, 10:39 AM
Here's the story:
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=126&sid=799343

Cedric
05-26-2006, 10:39 AM
Nothing wrong with caring.

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 10:42 AM
I wonder if he would have cried if those 2 errors and 7 stolen bases would have cost them the game.

registerthis
05-26-2006, 10:43 AM
Definitely a way to endear yourself to your players.

smith288
05-26-2006, 10:47 AM
7 SBs and 2 errors? That guy deserved getting yanked like any pitcher. THere aint any rules stipulating that you cant be yanked mid inning for sucking it up.

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 10:50 AM
The best part is, Fick comes in and gives up a PB on the 1st pitch!!!

"If you don't have a catcher, you're going to have a lot of passed balls."--Casey Stengel

registerthis
05-26-2006, 10:55 AM
7 SBs and 2 errors? That guy deserved getting yanked like any pitcher. THere aint any rules stipulating that you cant be yanked mid inning for sucking it up.

The fact that there are no rules against it doesn't mean it's a common practice, or an easy decision for a manager to make. It's the same as pulling a hockey goalie when he's having an off night--it's frequently a necessity, but it doesn't mean the coach enjoys doing it.

lollipopcurve
05-26-2006, 11:10 AM
Great moment. To me, that inteview said more about major league baseball than 99% of the highlights entertainment brought to you by ESPN.

westofyou
05-26-2006, 11:13 AM
One good turn deserves another.

June 28, 1907 - Washinton steal a record 13 bases off catcher Branch Rickey

cumberlandreds
05-26-2006, 11:19 AM
The best part is, Fick comes in and gives up a PB on the 1st pitch!!!

"If you don't have a catcher, you're going to have a lot of passed balls."--Casey Stengel

I was listening to that game coming home from work when Robinson pulled LeCroy. Fick just came off the DL and hadn't caught all season. I thought it was a more questionable move for him put Fick in since he hadn't caught a pitch all season. But I guess Robby was desparate.

Unassisted
05-26-2006, 11:20 AM
I wonder if Joe Girardi would have dragged a catcher off the field by the ears for a performance like that. It's an interesting contrast between the two—a senior-citizen manager who worries about offending his players and a rookie manager who acts like he was the valedictorian of the old school.

Red Leader
05-26-2006, 11:25 AM
The fact that there are no rules against it doesn't mean it's a common practice, or an easy decision for a manager to make. It's the same as pulling a hockey goalie when he's having an off night--it's frequently a necessity, but it doesn't mean the coach enjoys doing it.

IMO, that would be one of the toughest decisions to make as a manager. You know he had to be thinking about it before the inning started, but once the inning started, and went the way it did, he had to be torn. You never want to embarrass one of your own players, never. He had to, though. I've always had a lot of respect for Frank Robinson, as a player probably moreso than a manager. But, I have a lot more respect for him now, as a person, than ever before. Really a tough situation for him, and you could see the pain it caused him. BTW, Matt LeCroy didn't seem to even care. He knew he wasn't performing and understood the decision.

Johnny Footstool
05-26-2006, 11:32 AM
Robinson's tears are obscuring the fact that he replaced a bad catcher with a worse catcher. That's a dumb move. Fick's arm is not that much better than LeCroy's.

How about holding a conference with the pitcher and telling him to do a better job of holding the runners?

Red Leader
05-26-2006, 11:36 AM
Robinson's tears are obscuring the fact that he replaced a bad catcher with a worse catcher. That's a dumb move. Fick's arm is not that much better than LeCroy's.

How about holding a conference with the pitcher and telling him to do a better job of holding the runners?

I think what's obscured is that his GM tied his hands. His main option is Brian Schneider, who is on the DL. The GM went into the season without a true backup. The best defensive backup they were able to acquire was Wiki Gonzalez, and he's hurt as well, so Frank was basically left with option 999, and 999a. BTW, Frank and JimBo already got in an argument about this earlier this year--about the lack of a true backup catcher. JimBo decided to go with what they have and roll the dice.

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 11:41 AM
I think what's obscured is that his GM tied his hands. His main option is Brian Schneider, who is on the DL. The GM went into the season without a true backup. The best defensive backup they were able to acquire was Wiki Gonzalez, and he's hurt as well, so Frank was basically left with option 999, and 999a. BTW, Frank and JimBo already got in an argument about this earlier this year--about the lack of a true backup catcher. JimBo decided to go with what they have and roll the dice.
Any National League team signing LeCroy is a huge mistake. Jimbo should have recognized that he's a "one tool player." (That doesn't sound good, but I'm going to let it ride.)

Newman4
05-26-2006, 11:56 AM
Um, Jimbo, we might be able to help you out with that catching situation....

registerthis
05-26-2006, 01:20 PM
I think what's obscured is that his GM tied his hands.

Absolutely. Fick may not have necessarily been the better option, but LeCroy's performance left him with little choice. You simply can't leave a catcher in the game who has had 9 base runners advance on him (7 steals and 2 throwing errors). Fick was the only option Robinson had to turn to.

ThatsAStrike
05-26-2006, 02:53 PM
I've always liked ol' Frank. I like him even more now.

Highlifeman21
05-26-2006, 02:53 PM
IIRC, Fick has played C more recently than LeCroy before last evening.

I don't think this situation necessarily translates into carrying 3 catchers on the 25 man, but once Schneider went on the DL, they definitely should have invested in another one, rather than go with Wiki and the emergency headed monster of Fick/LeCroy.

Had Robinson not yanked LeCroy, the Astros would have swiped 20 bags on him. The Nats pitchers could have held each runner on the base, and they still would have swiped the next one.

jimbo
05-26-2006, 02:55 PM
Um, Jimbo, we might be able to help you out with that catching situation....

Let's talk. :thumbup:

Heath
05-26-2006, 02:56 PM
Let the Javier Valentin to the Nats rumor start going now!