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TeamBoone
05-26-2006, 11:27 AM
05/24/2006 8:44 PM ET


Notes: Dunn, Lopez both have day off
Narron informed the players of his plan after Tuesday's game
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

CINCINNATI -- Rare is the time you won't see Adam Dunn or Felipe Lopez starting a game for the Reds.
An even rarer occasion is seeing Dunn and Lopez out of the lineup at the same time. Reds manager Jerry Narron gave his left fielder and shortstop the night off.

Narron informed the players of his plan after Tuesday's game. With the team getting a scheduled off-day on Thursday, both should return pretty fresh on Friday.

Dunn, 26, had been the only Reds player to start every game this season. He played 160 games in 2005, starting 153. In 2004, he started 156 of 161 games played.

"I'll be sitting around enjoying a big league baseball game," joked Dunn, who is batting .226 with 16 homers and 31 RBIs. "I get a couple of these a year."

Dunn, tied for second in the National League in homers, had a five-game hitting streak end Tuesday but is batting .184 in May.

This was only the second start in 47 games Lopez has missed. The 26-year-old has been Cincinnati's most consistent hitter lately with hits in 16 of his last 17 games, including a team-high 14 in a row.

"I don't like days off," said Lopez, whose 58 hits and 16 stolen bases lead the club. "But whatever [Narron] says. He's the boss."

Narron's Wednesday lineup definitely had a different look. Second baseman Brandon Phillips batted leadoff for the first time this year. The recently activated Cody Ross batted second and played left field. Utility infielder Rich Aurilia started at shortstop.

Lopez still saw action in Wednesday's 6-2 loss to Milwaukee. He entered the game during a seventh-inning double switch and went 0-for-1 with a groundout in his only at-bat.

No skipping: Thursday's off-day means starting pitchers, including top of the rotation members Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo, will make their next starts on five days' rest -- instead of the usual four. Narron chose not to skip Friday's scheduled starter, Eric Milton, to keep everyone on their regular schedule.

"We don't want him to sit there for over a week," Narron said of Milton, who hasn't pitched since returning from the disabled list with a five-inning start on Saturday at Detroit.

Happy home: Back-to-back wins over Milwaukee on Monday and Tuesday improved the Reds to 6-1-1 in home series this season. Cincinnati entered Wednesday 14-8 at home this season. The club was 42-39 at Great American Ball Park and under .500 at home the previous two seasons.

Narron said there was no particular home field advantage benefiting the Reds this season.

"I've always thought that if anything, the other clubs have the advantage because we've got guys that can hit the ball out of any ballpark," Narron said.

Seen and heard: Reds left-hander Kent Mercker threw on the side again Wednesday and had no issues with his elbow. Mercker is expected to come off the DL on Friday.

In his first start for Triple-A Louisville, pitcher Joe Mays allowed two earned runs and five hits over six innings in a 2-1 loss. Mays walked four and struck out five. A former Twins and Royals starter, he was signed to a Minor League contract on Friday.

Class A Dayton outfielder Jay Bruce and shortstop Eric Eymann used a day off to watch the Reds take batting practice on the field Wednesday. Both spent time talking with Ken Griffey Jr. and other players. Bruce was the organization's first-round draft pick last year.

Coming up: After taking an off-day on Thursday, the Reds will open a three-game series with the Diamondbacks on Friday. Milton (2-1, 7.04 ERA) will start the 7:10 p.m. ET opener against undefeated Arizona ace Brandon Webb (7-0, 2.44 ERA).

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060524&content_id=1470171&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


Brewers' Davis earns win over Reds

Doug Davis held the Reds to two runs and five hits over seven innings to win on Wednesday night.

Reds manager Jerry Narron made things easier on Davis by sitting both Adam Dunn and Felipe Lopez, even though the team has Thursday off. Davis's K/BB ratio remains putrid (40/42 in 63 IP), but he is pitching better lately. He has a 3.38 ERA in five starts this month.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=2865&line=178919&spln=1



Dayton Daily News
By Hal McCoy / Staff Writer

Who’s a busher?

For those wondering why Milwaukee manager Ned Yost was ejected from Tuesday’s game after the bottom of the first inning, well, it involved something plate umpire Bill Welke said to Brewers outfielder Brady Clark.

During his at-bat, Clark stuck his elbow out as if trying to get hit by a pitch and Welke said, “That’s bush league.”

Clark told Yost what Welke said and when the half-inning ended Yost charged Welke, got in his face and was ejected.

“We’ve worked too hard to gain respect from the umpires the last few years for him to call us bush league,” said Yost. “That’s one thing I won’t stand for.”

http://www.journal-news.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2006/05/25/hjn052506redsnotes.html

NJReds
05-26-2006, 11:42 AM
It is bush league, but the ump shouldn't have said so. If Clark had succeeded in getting hit, I believe the ump could deny 1B because he didn't make an effort to avoid getting hit.

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 11:45 AM
It is bush league, but the ump shouldn't have said so. If Clark had succeeded in getting hit, I believe the ump could deny 1B because he didn't make an effort to avoid getting hit.
You are correct, sir. That's one of the most improperly called rules in baseball, IMO.

CySeymour
05-26-2006, 11:51 AM
You are correct, sir. That's one of the most improperly called rules in baseball, IMO.

I once called this when I was umpiring a league for 13 and 14 year olds. This pitcher couldn't throw strikes, plus he was a real, real soft tosser...one of the hitters from the other team, who was one of the bigger players, let a pitch hit him...he literally just stood their while the pitch hit him. I called that he didn't make an effort to get out of the way...and he walked on the next pitch.

sdwagers
05-26-2006, 11:51 AM
You are correct, sir. That's one of the most improperly called rules in baseball, IMO.

File under Craig Biggio. :bang:

GAC
05-26-2006, 11:57 AM
You take Dunn and Lopez out of the lineup and you've just decreased your chances for a win.

Has the game evolved/changed that much that it's causing so much mental pressure on the players that they need days off?

I might be able to fathom it if it was the second half of the season. But in April and May?


I'm just finishing up reading two books on the Reds and BRM. And Sparky related stories where he scratched guys out of the lineup for sickness, minor injury, and even if they didn't (career-wise) fair well against the scheduled opposing pitcher.

And players in the locker room said they could hear Sparky and so-and-so really going at it when that player found out they weren't in the lineup.

But when all was said and done - they were in there.

Is it because the level of individual competitiveness is not the same? That players are in the game more for the huge amounts of money to be made?

I guess, after 40+ years of watching/playing the game, I just don't see it.

Try taking Pete Rose out of the lineup for a "day off" and see what would have happened. ;)

But I guess we have plenty of games left in the season, so we can play fool-hearty with a few of them. :rolleyes:

LincolnparkRed
05-26-2006, 12:00 PM
I imagine part of Narron's decision weighed in on the fact that with wins on Mon & Tues they had won the series also with ARI coming in he wanted everyone ready to try to win that series as well. I did find it odd that both got the same day off but if them losing on Wed means that they will win 2 0f 3 this weekend then fine by me.

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 12:04 PM
I might be able to fathom it if it was the second half of the season. But in April and May?

I tend to agree. An oppressively hot afternoon game in July or August, especially if it happens to be a weaker team of a poor pitcher. Unfortunately those chances don't always come along at just the right moment. I tend to believe it's more of a "feel" thing with the manager. You just have to hope the manager in question has a good feel.

traderumor
05-26-2006, 12:26 PM
Maybe Ned would have been happier with "excuse me, Mr. Clark, but I do believe you were improper to place your padded elbow over the plate in an attempt to allow the ball to hit you with the expectation that you would be awarded first base as a hit batsman. Forgive me for pointing this out, but that would be a violation of the rules for baseball and I would not be able to do so. I'm ever so sorry to be the bearer of such bad tidings, but I did not write the rules, I simply enforce them. Good day, sir, and please enjoy the evening's competition." That would have to include a tip of the cap, as well.

Gentlemen Ned, who knew.

Hoosier Red
05-26-2006, 12:43 PM
I might be able to fathom it if it was the second half of the season. But in April and May?


I'm just finishing up reading two books on the Reds and BRM. And Sparky related stories where he scratched guys out of the lineup for sickness, minor injury, and even if they didn't (career-wise) fair well against the scheduled opposing pitcher.

And players in the locker room said they could hear Sparky and so-and-so really going at it when that player found out they weren't in the lineup.

But when all was said and done - they were in there.
:

The great 8 only played like 88 games together in two years.
Obviously a lot of times, they weren't in there.
Everyone needs a day off now and then. If by day off we're talking about still showing up to the office, going through all the normal pre game things, and staying ready until the end of the game. Then going home at 11:30.

BCubb2003
05-26-2006, 02:03 PM
I do think there's more of a tendency of managers to "keep players fresh" throughout the season rather than the old school "play as hard as you can for as long as you can then you'll get a day off if you're winning." There didn't use to be bereavement leaves, and managers leaving to attend their daughter's graduation, and such things.

Spitball
05-26-2006, 06:06 PM
It is bush league, but the ump shouldn't have said so. If Clark had succeeded in getting hit, I believe the ump could deny 1B because he didn't make an effort to avoid getting hit.

Harry Wendelstedt ruled that Dick Deitz didn't attempt to get out of the way of a pitched ball that hit him with the bases loaded in 1968 when Don Drysdale was close to breaking Walter Johnson's record for consecutive scoreless innings. It is the only time I can recall the rule being applied.

Team Clark
05-26-2006, 06:45 PM
It is bush league, but the ump shouldn't have said so. If Clark had succeeded in getting hit, I believe the ump could deny 1B because he didn't make an effort to avoid getting hit.

Brady will forever be one of my favorite players. If he stuck his arm out to try to get hit, that is pure Bush league. Welke, IMO, was right to tell him too. I would rather have seen Brady get nicked and then be denied 1B. That did not happen so I don't have any problem with Welke sticking to his guns and standing up for the game. I'd say there is a 50/50 shot that Brady will not do that again. I'd love to see an umpire stand up to Biggio and Kendall.

westofyou
05-26-2006, 06:48 PM
I'd say there is a 50/50 shot that Brady will not do that again.

He did it 2 at bats later, they showed it on the replay.

Guys from Portland are scrappy.

TeamBoone
05-26-2006, 06:57 PM
He did it 2 at bats later, they showed it on the replay.

Guys from Portland are scrappy.

Crap. I was watching closely to see if he did it again (the first time was so blatant)... and I missed it!

GAC
05-26-2006, 07:09 PM
I imagine part of Narron's decision weighed in on the fact that with wins on Mon & Tues they had won the series also with ARI coming in he wanted everyone ready to try to win that series as well. I did find it odd that both got the same day off but if them losing on Wed means that they will win 2 0f 3 this weekend then fine by me.

So you basically throw away a game (a loss), in order to get your guys ready for the next opponent?

And if they lose 2 out of 3 to Ari, then the logic didn't work?

And want everyone ready? I respectfully don't understand this. Shouldn't they always be ready?

Hey! We won the series, 2 out of 3 anyway. So we'll possibly concede the last game in hope of getting our guys ready for the next opponent?

Any manager that thinks this way should be fired IMO.

westofyou
05-26-2006, 07:11 PM
There's only 11 days off during the whole season, guys get beat up.. and Sparky, Casey Stengal and Earl Weaver never felt bad about sitting a guy now and then.

Team Clark
05-26-2006, 07:27 PM
He did it 2 at bats later, they showed it on the replay.

Guys from Portland are scrappy.

Good thing I said 50/50. Wished I had witnessed it.

GAC
05-26-2006, 07:31 PM
How did Cal Ripken ever do it? :lol:

And that is not the reasoning given by Narron for sitting them.... they are beat up.

I have no problem giving a player "rest" when there are indications they need it.

Lopez has been playing solid ball so you sit him? And when asked, Felipe stated he wanted to play, was kinda perplexed he wasn't in there, and that fatigue is not a factor; but that he's not the boss.

You've got to give your team a chance to win every game. That lineup, with your two starters out, had little chance.

westofyou
05-26-2006, 07:39 PM
You've got to give your team a chance to win every game. That lineup, with your two starters out, had little chance.

Maybe he was thinking about the summer.

Ripken is an anomoly, and the splits say that against Davis the sitting was a good deal, in fact it got yur boy Rich in there in a strength position at the GAB against a LH, as for Dunn he needed a break.

I'm still peeved about this loss against the Phillies from 30 years ago.


Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Armbrister lf 3 0 2 0 0 0 3 0
Griffey ph,rf 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Concepcion ss 4 1 2 0 0 0 2 0
Foster rf,lf 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Perez 1b 4 1 1 0 0 1 4 0
Bench c 4 1 2 3 0 0 10 3
Bailey 3b 2 0 0 0 1 1 1 1
Morgan ph 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
Flynn 2b 4 0 1 0 0 0 3 1
Geronimo cf 4 0 1 0 0 2 3 0
Nolan p 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Borbon p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
McEnaney p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Driessen ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Eastwick p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Rose ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 35 4 11 4 2 5 27 5

GAC
05-26-2006, 07:53 PM
Maybe he was thinking about the summer.

And maybe he'll be thinking about it even more this fall. ;)