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REDSEER
05-26-2006, 08:44 PM
Reds currently down 1-0 in the top of the third

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 08:46 PM
Milty looks decent tonight through 3 innings......

If we could just squeeze out a few runs from Webb......

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 08:49 PM
Good try by EE to go down the first base line only to be snagged by Jackson.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 08:52 PM
Man this place is completely dead......this new two game thread thing is not doing good for us that aren't quite to 200 rep pts. yet.......

GAC
05-26-2006, 08:58 PM
You're right. It isn't.

Personally, I think it was a bad idea.

It kinda left FANS like yourselves out of it.

Come into chat.

GAC
05-26-2006, 09:00 PM
slow night tonight. Both here, and in chat.

People must be at the game. :lol:

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:01 PM
:laugh: Well then I'm expecting more than 16,000 at the game tonight

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:09 PM
Yeah... I dont even wanna be on here if we can't post on game threads... lol

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:10 PM
Milton is pitching real well tonight, if he can keep this up he could really go along way to making this team a possible playoff contendor.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:11 PM
Meanwhile, Milton has lowered his ERA to 6.18

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:11 PM
Hudson flies out to Kearns, 2 outs

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:12 PM
come on in to chat....at least we're allowed there :lol:

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-26-2006, 09:12 PM
i think thats republican pollster ed rollins behind home plate...for what its worth

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:12 PM
Webb strikes out for Milton's 6 K of the night....

We need to get something going-- due up: Kearns, Valentin, EE

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:13 PM
Milton looks like the guy that we wanted when we signed him

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:13 PM
Milton strikes out Webb to end the inning, Going to the bottom of the 5th, D-backs 1, Reds 0.

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:15 PM
Webb strikes out for Milton's 6 K of the night....

We need to get something going-- due up: Kearns, Valentin, EE Don't forget that he hasn't walked a batter yet tonight for an infinite K/BB ratio,

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:15 PM
How about a run here for the Redlegs.......

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:15 PM
there we go! Finally, we catch a break

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:16 PM
no bunt :bang: :bang: , but I guess it works.......

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:17 PM
well... Kearns and Valentin really worked the count there with two straight first pitch swings...

Gallen5862
05-26-2006, 09:17 PM
What happened Redseer?

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:17 PM
They don't want part of EE, gonna take there chances with DP on Milton!

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:17 PM
Kearns gets the leadoff man on 2nd with a throwing error by Chad Tracy, Valentin grounds out to advance Kearns to 3rd.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:18 PM
With a man on 2nd and no outs, I was hoping for a bunt from Valentin, but he grounded to 2nd and advanced him anyway

Gallen5862
05-26-2006, 09:18 PM
Thanks.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:19 PM
2 down as Kearns gets thrown out by Counsell at home

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:19 PM
there goes our chance at scoring!

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:19 PM
Kearns thrown out at home, 2 outs.

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:20 PM
Time for Milton to jack one out of here

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:20 PM
Thanks.
no problem

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:21 PM
Milton strikes out, to the Top of 6, Dbacks 1 Reds 0

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:24 PM
Counsell flies out to right field, 1 out.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:25 PM
single by Byrnes... Tracy up

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:25 PM
Byrnes rips one to left......one on, one out

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:25 PM
Byrnes singles to left field

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:26 PM
That changeup that Milton is throwing really seems to be effective....it makes his fastball much more effective.....

Did he have the change last year???

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:28 PM
Milton has officially lowered his era under 6.00... YAY!

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:29 PM
Another great inning by Milton... Lopez, Phillips, Griff up!

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:30 PM
Another easy inning for Milton....he has really looked good tonight.... keeping the ball down, throwing an effective change and slider, and eating innings to keep it away from the bullpen.....

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:30 PM
That changeup that Milton is throwing really seems to be effective....it makes his fastball much more effective.....

Did he have the change last year???Yes, it's one of his more effective pitches when he is on, and he has had it for awhile. When he threw his no hitter in 1999, he had it working well.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:31 PM
well... we are really working the count 2night

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:33 PM
The least likely person in our whole lineup (Phillips) to work the count has done it the most tonight......

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:34 PM
And, what do you know, it works

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:34 PM
and just like that, the inning is over.......man it just isn't our night

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:36 PM
and just like that, the inning is over.......man it just isn't our nightHow would you feel if you were the D'backs? I would be thinking is Milton really this good or is our offense that bad. I can't believe the way this game is going so far with it being warm and humid and the balls are staying in the park.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:38 PM
How would you feel if you were the D'backs? I would be thinking is Milton really this good or is our offense that bad. I can't believe the way this game is going so far with it being warm and humid and the balls are staying in the park.
Well the Dbacks have been great this year, so I don't think that it's their offense......if our offense could just score one run.....

This game really looks like the game where Harang threw a complete game and lost......:bang: :bang:

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:39 PM
Who says Griff doesn't still have it???????

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:39 PM
Well the Dbacks have been great this year, so I don't think that it's their offense......if our offense could just score one run.....

This game really looks like the game where Harang threw a complete game and lost......:bang: :bang:Yeah but it's improvement, you can't win all those but it should be a complement just to have one. It's much than Ramon Ortiz choking up 6 runs in 2 or 3 inning and putting the ballgame out of reach.

RedFanAlways1966
05-26-2006, 09:40 PM
Wow! Junior goes up the wall to grab it. What a play... :thumbup:

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:41 PM
Wow, it's Milton's night after that play by Griff. Only 80 pitches through 7 innings for Milton, I feel a CG coming on. If the offense could just score a couple runs.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:43 PM
I love how Griffey just shuts everyone up every single time someone says that he is done.....that is one of the things that make him one of the greatest of all time, in my eyes.....he just loves to play the game.

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:43 PM
Dunn leads off with a double :jump:

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:44 PM
3-0 on Hatteberg

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:45 PM
Dunn goes to third on groundout by Hatteberg, 1 out.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:45 PM
Hatteberg moves Dunn over on a GO to 2nd... Let's go Valentin... do something please!

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:45 PM
great job by Hatte to move Dunn to 3rd

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:45 PM
Nevermind... Kearns is up

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 09:46 PM
Just got back and turned on the tv. Very pleasantly supprised to see Milton pitching well. I'm very hopefull he can continue to pitch like his first two games. I know I'm hoping against hope with that, but I think it's one of the important keys to success this year.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:47 PM
Just got back and turned on the tv. Very pleasantly supprised to see Milton pitching well. I'm very hopefull he can continue to pitch like his first two games. I know I'm hoping against hope with that, but I think it's one of the important keys to success this year.
Milton has been spectacular tonight.....everything is working for him......

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:48 PM
I know I'm hoping against hope with that, but I think it's one of the important keys to success this year.I totally agree, if Milton can pitch well, that also taks pressure of Claussen.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:48 PM
You have got to be kidding me!

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:48 PM
That K by Kearns really killed that inning.....that was the last thing that we needed

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 09:49 PM
I know his lifetime numbers don't really show it but he can be dominating when he's on. Now, if we can keep his "on" button glued down for a while. :pray:

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:49 PM
This offense is all or nothing, it's either 7 runs or nothing. But hey, Webb hasn't been beaten yet so it's not only us.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:50 PM
Alright Milton....how about another 0 on that board

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:51 PM
1 pitch, 1 out, Hudson grounds out to Lopez

jimbo
05-26-2006, 09:52 PM
Man, that CF Griffey sure has lost it. One of the worst CF's in baseball........yeah right. What a great catch.

Milton is putting on a clinic. I'm feeling pretty giddy thinking about having a lefty who can throw like this constistantly for a whole season.

Too bad the other guy is putting on his own clinic.

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 09:52 PM
Did he just say 83 pitches in the 8th inning? Wow. Milton is on tonight. Very nice.

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:53 PM
Webb K's, that's 9 for Milton vs. no walks.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:54 PM
Man, that CF Griffey sure has lost it. One of the worst CF's in baseball........yeah right. What a great catch.

Milton is putting on a clinic. I'm feeling pretty giddy thinking about having a lefty who can throw like this constistantly for a whole season.

Too bad the other guy is putting on his own clinic.
Whoa now.....I agree about Griffey and I think that there is no better option in CF right now for the Reds.

As for Milton, I think he has shown that he can be great one night and horrible the next. I hope that he can keep this up, but I wouldn't count on it.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:54 PM
There's that great left side of the infield again...23 errors, D-Backs a total of 13 errors from the starting 9

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 09:54 PM
Yikes...routine grounder and Lopez dosen't get his glove down and boots it. Mercy.

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:54 PM
Counsell gets on by an error on Lopez.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:55 PM
Great play by EE to end the inning.....that's probably it for Milton as he is due up 1st this inning....great night for the lefty....

billy117
05-26-2006, 09:56 PM
Yikes...routine grounder and Lopez dosen't get his glove down and boots it. Mercy.
apperently we've just got accept that's going to happen with him.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:56 PM
We need to score to get Milton the W for his great effort 2night...

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:56 PM
Larkin made 29 errors in 1988, things like this are to be expected with young players like EdE and Lopez but they'll be OK in the long haul.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:56 PM
EE, Aurilia, Lopez... my guess

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:57 PM
maybe Freel, if EE gets on

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 09:57 PM
As for Milton, I think he has shown that he can be great one night and horrible the next. I hope that he can keep this up, but I wouldn't count on it.

After last year it's hard to believe he can get the ball over the plate. But you are right, it's hard to have confidence in him at this point. I'll be honest, however, I'm not opposed at all to letting him stay in the rotation IF he can put up 15 or so wins, keep is ERA down in the 4's and get into the 7th inning while keeping us in the game. He doesn't have to pitch like tonight all the time, although that would be nice.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:57 PM
Double for EE... please, lets get him in!

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:58 PM
Alright, lets try this leadoff double thing again...lets go here we need one

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:58 PM
Leadoff double for EdE

billy117
05-26-2006, 09:58 PM
bunt please

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:58 PM
Okay... c'mon Lopey~!

harangatang
05-26-2006, 09:58 PM
Milton's gone, EdE goes to third with McCracken bunting.

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 09:58 PM
McQ lays down a nice bunt. EE at 3rd. Lopez at the plate.

billy117
05-26-2006, 09:59 PM
great!...... Q finally does something i can praise

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:59 PM
we need this... Squeeze maybe??? nah

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 09:59 PM
Alright Lopez, put it in play at least......we really need one here.....

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 09:59 PM
I will freaking die if we dont get this run in!!!

harangatang
05-26-2006, 10:00 PM
Lopez grounds out in retalitation to sitting him on his bobblehead night. 2 outs.

harangatang
05-26-2006, 10:00 PM
0-2 on Phillips

billy117
05-26-2006, 10:01 PM
well, this ab isn't looking good, come on bp

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:01 PM
Lopez grounds out in retalitation to sitting him on his bobblehead night. 2 outs.

:bowrofl:

harangatang
05-26-2006, 10:01 PM
Estrada saves a run on a wild pitch

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:02 PM
it's official we suck!

harangatang
05-26-2006, 10:02 PM
BP ground out, going to Top 9, D'backs 1 Reds 0

billy117
05-26-2006, 10:02 PM
I will freaking die if we dont get this run in!!!
how are you going to end it

George Foster
05-26-2006, 10:02 PM
I don't agree with the mentality of sacrificing the runner to third with a sinker ball pitcher. It's stupid. With no outs take two chances with the runner on second to get a hit, instead of taking one chance to get a sac fly.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:02 PM
Man, I feel bad for Milton.....he pitched one heck of a game and comes away with nothing, maybe a loss....hopefully this can continue to his next start

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:04 PM
Griff-Dunn-Hatteberg due up in the 9th!

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 10:04 PM
Man, I feel bad for Milton.....he pitched one heck of a game and comes away with nothing, maybe a loss....hopefully this can continue to his next start
I never thought I'd say... Milton deserves better.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:04 PM
Hopefully Griffey doesnt lead off with a Double

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:05 PM
Lets hope the guys in the 9th are patient and just don't start hacking away because they are under pressure to perform.

billy117
05-26-2006, 10:07 PM
are we going to see valverde?

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:07 PM
Hopefully Griffey doesnt lead off with a Double
:laugh: I agree, I never thought I would say that:laugh:

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:07 PM
I hope so...

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:11 PM
Tonight has been absolutely horrible....

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:11 PM
Dang it......Green HR 3-0 D'backs

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:11 PM
Shawn Green hits 2 run homer of Coffie. No doubter to right field. 3-0.

billy117
05-26-2006, 10:12 PM
well that was more depressing than not getting that run in last inning

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:12 PM
Estrada (Eric?) gets a single of Coffey.

438ft estimated distance on the Green homerun.

billy117
05-26-2006, 10:14 PM
Estrada (Eric?) gets a single of Coffey.

438ft estimated distance on the Green homerun.
i thought he was the guy from chips......could be wrong

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:14 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say we will not score 3 runs against Webb in the 9th...

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:15 PM
I was just kidding around there billy117 ;)

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:15 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say we will not score 3 runs against Webb in the 9th...
I bet you'll still watch though........

We could......with the power in our lineup you never know

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:15 PM
I guess they're taking him out.... Good!

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:15 PM
Pitch hitting for Webb. Not sure who is warming up right now.

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:16 PM
okay Griff-Dunn-Hatte... BACK-BACK-BB LOL- HR!!!!

billy117
05-26-2006, 10:16 PM
I was just kidding around there billy117 ;)
so was ltlabner;)

or i was......either way

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:17 PM
So how do they change their hitting approach/stratigy for the 9th, if at all?

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:18 PM
and Webb's back for more

jesusfan
05-26-2006, 10:19 PM
Okay JR, we'll take a BB

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:19 PM
JR fly's out to CF.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:20 PM
I don't understand swinging at that pitch....

not Jr. hating, I just think that we need runners and any way would be nice

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:20 PM
Dunn...first pitch swing and grounds out to 1B. :bang:

billy117
05-26-2006, 10:20 PM
So how do they change their hitting approach/stratigy for the 9th, if at all?
apperently not at all

JohhnyBench1001
05-26-2006, 10:20 PM
Man I never thought that our offense would be the problem with the team. We haven't hit the ball very much at all in the month of May, and have been shutout more this year than I can remember in the past 3 seasons...:cry:

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:21 PM
Hattiburg gets a single rolling into CF. Kearns up.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:21 PM
Just get on base kearns

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:22 PM
Kearns. 0-2.

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:22 PM
Kearns stikes out! This one doesn't belong to the Reds.

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 10:22 PM
I don't understand swinging at that pitch....

not Jr. hating, I just think that we need runners and any way would be nice
Was it 2-0?

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:23 PM
Kearns K's......D'backs win 3-0

Positives on the night:

Obviously it's good to see Milton throwing the way he is capable of throwing. If he can keep this up, it will be a huge boost to our team.

Another postive: Dunn 3-4, maybe breaking out of his little slump???

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:24 PM
Was it 2-0?
yep

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 10:26 PM
yep
Man, I hate that!

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:29 PM
Who goes tomorrow for the D'backs??

Ltlabner
05-26-2006, 10:29 PM
I missed Jrs catch and all but one of Dunn's hits because I was away from a TV. Milton was a big postive. He he goes out tonight and struggles then it could be a huge psycological (sp?) set back for him. Now he shows himself that he can infact pitch at a MLB level. Of course, what will we get next time? He'll need a few more solid outings for people to start to have some faith in him, but tonight was a step in the right direction.

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:32 PM
I forgot about Jr's catch in my positives list....amidst the controversy of the past few days, he goes out and makes another spectacular play that many others cannot make.

Say all that you want about stats and range, he still is a natural in CF.

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Who goes tomorrow for the D'backs??
Juan Cruz 1-3 5.61

REDSEER
05-26-2006, 10:38 PM
Juan Cruz 1-3 5.61
Good, maybe we'll score a few runs for Harang tomorrow......

dabvu2498
05-26-2006, 10:41 PM
33 IP, 35 K's We could also strike out a lot.

21 BB, 1.37 WHIP

I'm trying to figure out why his ERA is so high.

LH's .296 vs him, RH's .132

Ahhhh... one miserable outing two starts ago vs. SD
.2 IP, 9 Runs, 5 hits, 3 walks, 1 HBP

TeamBoone
05-26-2006, 11:46 PM
Both pitchers did well. Our guys found it hard to hit off Webb and there's found it hard to hit off Milton. It would have been 0-0 going into the 9th if the error hadn't allowed the run to score. Somehow, I just knew that was going to be huge in this game.

Coffey didn't have it tonight... but how can we possibly complain with the way he's pitched this year? Unfortunately, the timing was critical.

FWIW, I think they should have left Milton in... this is not hindsight. I knew if there were runners on in the 8th that they'd take him out.

I'm as disappointed as anyone, but hey! Milton pitched a whale of a game and Dunn was 3-4. Progress.

The Reds are gonna go get the next two and take the series!

TeamBoone
05-26-2006, 11:48 PM
Man I never thought that our offense would be the problem with the team. We haven't hit the ball very much at all in the month of May, and have been shutout more this year than I can remember in the past 3 seasons...:cry:

The offense wasn't the problem... the pitching was that good, on both sides!

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-26-2006, 11:52 PM
this is the 3rd game in a week we've lost because of an error-2 last week in detroit and now this--when does this stupidity stop

TeamBoone
05-27-2006, 12:18 AM
this is the 3rd game in a week we've lost because of an error-2 last week in detroit and now this--when does this stupidity stop

You mean the stupidity of being human?

I hate it too... it's a tough way to lose, but unfortunately it happens.

reds44
05-27-2006, 12:50 AM
this is the 3rd game in a week we've lost because of an error-2 last week in detroit and now this--when does this stupidity stop
We didn't lose because of the error, we lost because we score 0 runs.

0 runs=0 wins

KronoRed
05-27-2006, 12:56 AM
EE wasn't going to stop that guy from scoring, blaming him is crazy.

reds44
05-27-2006, 02:06 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060527/capt.3255bb6bb91c4373a825f8c158635ac0.diamondbacks _reds_baseball_csb107.jpg

KittyDuran
05-27-2006, 09:23 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060527/capt.3255bb6bb91c4373a825f8c158635ac0.diamondbacks _reds_baseball_csb107.jpgLooked even better in person! :notworthy

Heath
05-27-2006, 09:26 AM
Looked even better in person! :notworthy

That's because it was your birthday :D

KronoRed
05-27-2006, 04:42 PM
Looked even better in person! :notworthy
Sure did :thumbup:

TeamBoone
05-28-2006, 11:51 AM
05-27-2006

That sinking feeling
D-backs' Webb (8-0) baffles Reds
By Josh Katzowitz / Post staff reporter

Brandon Webb was on the mound, Chad Moeller was behind the plate, and Mark Grace was ready to bat.

It was an intrasquad spring training game four years ago, and Moeller made sure to tell Grace that the kid on the mound had a big-time sinkerball.

"OK," Grace thought to himself. "Let's see it."

The first pitch came, and it was headed straight for Grace. He knew, just knew, that Webb had introduced himself by beaning him in a meaningless exhibition game.

"The next thing I know, Moeller caught it, and the ump says, 'Strike!'" said Grace, a 16-year veteran with the Cubs and Diamondbacks who's now a TV analyst with Arizona. "I say, 'Huh?' I ask Moeller if it was strike and he said, 'Gracie, it was right down the middle.'"

So, Grace knew about Webb's talent. Even when the Ashland, Ky., native and former University of Kentucky standout was struggling though a 16-loss season in 2004, Grace knew Webb had ability.

It just took an extra season or two for the rest of the National League to take notice.

Friday's show was another indication that the 27-year-old Webb - who earned his major-league best eighth win with a complete-game 3-0 win against the Reds - is a completely different pitcher.

"He gets better every year," Diamondbacks manager Bob Melvin said. "He's got better command of all his pitches, he's got better off-speed stuff and he's pitching to both sides of the plate. He has the confidence of a No.1 guy. When you have a sinker like that, you can mix it up and use your other pitches as well and keep hitters off-balance. They know it's not sinker, sinker, sinker anymore."

The sinkerball wasn't always part of Webb's repertoire. It's not a pitch Reds rightfielder Austin Kearns, a Lexington, Ky., native, remembers seeing when the two met on the field in high school.

"When I faced him, he was a senior and his fastball was as straight as could be," Kearns said. "It didn't move a bit. Then, somebody taught him a sinker. We need to find the guy who taught him that."
Presumably, to beat him up. The rest of the league probably wouldn't mind witnessing that.

Well, here's the name: Royal Clayton, who worked with Webb during his first professional season when Webb played for the Class A South Bend Silver Hawks. Clayton told Webb he thought it'd be a good pitch for him to learn.

Royal Clayton was right. The Reds will attest to that.

"When a sinkerballer's on, it's tough," Ken Griffey Jr. said. "Tonight, he was pretty good. He didn't come in here 7-0 for nothing, so he's obviously been good all season."

Yes he has. Friday's win moved his record to 8-0 and it lowered his ERA to an NL-leading 2.18. This, from a pitcher who finished the 2004 season with a 7-16 record and a league-leading 119 walks.

It's a year Webb - who has issued only nine walks this season - has tried to disregard, particularly since the Diamondbacks committed the most errors in the league that year and finished 51-111 for easily the worst record in the majors.

"I just forget about it," said Webb, who struck out five and induced 18 ground ball outs, including two double plays, from the Reds Friday. "That was a tough season. All around, the team wasn't real good. The defense, I think, kind of got to me. It kind of took my confidence away. I was trying to nitpick around the corners, strike people out and pitch away from contact. I wasn't real confident in the fielders."

Apparently, he's changed his approach, and the friends and family that traveled to Great American Ball Park from Ashland and Lexington to watch likely would approve. They'd also probably be happy with this statement: He's much better than he was two seasons ago.

"It's probably been the biggest progression I've ever seen in a young pitcher," Grace said.
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