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CTA513
05-28-2006, 12:48 PM
Reds Diamondbacks
1. R Freel, RF 1. C Counsell, SS
2. F Lopez, SS 2. J DaVanon, CF
3. K Griffey Jr., CF 3. C Tracy, 3B
4. R Aurilia, 1B 4. L Gonzalez, LF
5. A Dunn, LF 5. C Jackson, 1B
6. E Encarnacion, 3B 6. S Green, RF
7. B Phillips, 2B 7. J Estrada, C
8. D Ross, C 8. O Hudson, 2B
9. B Arroyo, P 9. E Gonzalez, P

Arroyo 6-2, 2.29 Gonzalez 0-0, 0.00

Game Time: 1:15 p.m. ET
TV: FSN Ohio
Radio: WLW 700

Gonzalez (minor league stats): 60.1 Innings, 61 Hits (2 HR), 14 BB, 35 K

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 12:57 PM
In franchise history, the Reds have never been swept at home with 3 straight shut outs.

Let's hope that stands today.

reds44
05-28-2006, 12:58 PM
I (heart) that lineup.

Nicely done Jerry.

RedFanAlways1966
05-28-2006, 01:11 PM
In franchise history, the Reds have never been swept at home with 3 straight shut outs.

Let's hope that stands today.

And our history "this year" against newbie starters is not good. UGH! :help:

guttle11
05-28-2006, 01:30 PM
I gotta believe the Reds explode today. Need to get a win before that road trip.

reds44
05-28-2006, 01:34 PM
I really don't know why utility player RA needs to bat 4th everytime he plays.

dsmith421
05-28-2006, 01:55 PM
I really don't know why utility player RA needs to bat 4th everytime he plays.

Doesn't make a bit of sense. Off to the Reno Hilton to watch the game. First time seeing the Reds live all year!

oneupper
05-28-2006, 01:56 PM
Enrique Gonzalez pitched in the Winter League with La Guaira (Rey Olmedo and Bob Stratton's team)

6-2 (10 starts) 3.10 ERA.

Hopefully Olmedo was contacted to relay information about the guy.

TeamBoone
05-28-2006, 02:04 PM
I (heart) that lineup.

Nicely done Jerry.

I don't like it because Kearns isn't in it.

RBA
05-28-2006, 02:11 PM
I don't like it because Kearns isn't in it.


Yup, a better lineup would be Freel in Left and Dunn at first, leaving Kearns in right.

oneupper
05-28-2006, 02:14 PM
I don't like it because Kearns isn't in it.

Kearns hasn't had a blow in a while and he needs to be sharp for the cubbies.

Personally, I'd prefer to see Hat in there vs. the rookie (make him work) and this Aurilia cleanup stuff has to stop.

On the flip side, 'zona is loaded with lefties, so Bronson has to be on the top of his game.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:20 PM
Top 1st.

Counsell singles to center.
DaVanon flies out to center.
Tracy lines a single to left center. 1st and 3rd.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:21 PM
Settle down, Bronson....settle down...

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:22 PM
Gonzalez doubles to right. 2-0 Dbacks.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 02:22 PM
Arroyo is getting bombed, 2-0 ARI.

Two runs has been awful difficult to overcome for this offense lately. The D-Backs just flat out own this club.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:23 PM
The Diamondbacks beat him once already....they may have figured him out, something that pretty much every other team hasn't been able to do yet.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 02:24 PM
Griffey gives up a RBI single.

Should have been caught.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:24 PM
Jackson bloops a single in front of Junior. 3-0 Dbacks.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:25 PM
Griffey gives up a RBI single.

Should have been caught.


It's old. He's not moving. Deal with it.

He's done some pretty spectacular things out there as of late.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:26 PM
Green lines out to Aurilia for an unassisted double play. 3-0 Dbacks mid 1st.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:29 PM
Freel homers to left! 3-1 Dbacks.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:29 PM
:freel:

:jump:

21 innings later....they finally score a run.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 02:29 PM
It's old. He's not moving. Deal with it.

He's done some pretty spectacular things out there as of late.

I don't care if its old, it's the truth. He needs to be moved to LF.

Freel homers. Seriously.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:30 PM
Lopez grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Junior grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:33 PM
Aurilia pops out to 2nd. 3-1 Dbacks after 1.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 02:36 PM
Why is Aurilia playing against a RH pitcher today? He's OPSing .631 against righties.

M2
05-28-2006, 02:36 PM
Gonzalez threw 14 pitches that inning and only six went for strikes (including the four the Reds put into play). Work this guy, make him show what he's got and then croak him. But step one is working him.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:37 PM
Estrada grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:39 PM
Hudson fouls out to left. Good running catch by Dunn. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 02:39 PM
Nice play by Dunn in foul territory.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:39 PM
According to Hal...Jerry almost put Hatteberg in the leadoff spot today

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:40 PM
Gonzalez strikes out looking. 3-1 Dbacks mid 2nd.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 02:40 PM
That was a play that most average MLB CF's make, most likely standing up. It was a fairly routine fly ball that Junior simply didn't get to.

IMO, Junior is being incredibly selfish with his insistence on only playing CF. It's ridiculously clear that the overall team defense would benefit with someone with a better set of wheels in center right now.

Here's the problem: If you call-out Junior for his selfish stance on this issue, you get labeled a "Griffey Basher" and everyone starts talking about his off-field kindness.

To me, those are totally separate issues. Junior appears to be a kind, caring, charitable man who is very close with his family and friends. Seems like a good guy. However, good guys can still make selfish/poor decisions. I think Junior is flat-wrong on this issue, but it doesn't change my opinion of him as a human being.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:40 PM
That was more like it, Bronson. :thumbup:

M2
05-28-2006, 02:41 PM
One thing I really like about Arroyo is that he doesn't mess around with guys like Estrada, Hudson and Gonzalez. He chews right through them, doesn't make pitching to them any harder than it has to be.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:43 PM
IMO, Junior is being incredibly selfish with his insistence on only playing CF.


If you have evidence that he's even been approached about changing positions, I'm all ears.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:43 PM
Dunn flies out to the warning track in left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:44 PM
Encarnacion flies out to center. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 02:44 PM
The Reds are missing some really, really good pitches to hit. Lopez, Aurilia, and Dunn all got 2-0 fastball right down the middle and made an out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:45 PM
Phillips lines a single to left.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 02:45 PM
Matt- you're right-- I'm basing it on the assumption that he has-- if he hasn't than Narron and company need to grow some cojones and ask him.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:46 PM
Ross grounds out to the pitcher. 3-1 Dbacks after 2.

M2
05-28-2006, 02:46 PM
IMO, Junior is being incredibly selfish with his insistence on only playing CF. It's ridiculously clear that the overall team defense would benefit with someone with a better set of wheels in center right now.

I don't think Jr.'s got much of anything to do with it. I doubt the subject even gets broached with him. Probably there's a trade that needs to happen before the team considers moving him to another position (maybe it's even a trade of Jr. that they're angling for sometime this summer).

My guess is Jr.'s view is that he's the CF until otherwise notified and that he's not going to beg off the position if the team wants him to be there. If the Reds really wanted to make the switch, all they'd have to do is go to Jr. and tell him it was time to move. I doubt he'd complain about it. He strikes me as the sort who just tries to do the best at whatever he's asked to do.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 02:49 PM
Matt- you're right-- I'm basing it on the assumption that he has-- if he hasn't than Narron and company need to grow some cojones and ask him.

I don't think he has.

Maybe they should...see what he says.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:51 PM
Great play by Aurilia as Counsell grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:53 PM
DaVanon walks on 4 pitches.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:55 PM
Tracy flies out to left. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 02:56 PM
Gonzalez singles to right. DaVanon just beats Freels throw to 3rd. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 02:56 PM
Diamondbacks run the bases as good as I have seen this year.

reds44
05-28-2006, 02:56 PM
Another reason why kearns is important to this team. Either they don't even try that, or Kearns throws him out at 3rd.

i don't mind kearns not playing today at all, but that is just a fact.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 02:58 PM
Another reason why kearns is important to this team. Either they don't even try that, or Kearns throws him out at 3rd.

i don't mind kearns not playing today at all, but that is just a fact.

Freel could not have played that better or made a better throw.

reds44
05-28-2006, 02:59 PM
Freel could not have played that better or made a better throw.
Freel couldn't have, but Kearns could.

IMO he is out if Kearns is out there.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:00 PM
Jackson walks on a 3-2 pitch. Bases loaded.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 03:00 PM
This game might be on the line right here....Arroyo struggling

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:00 PM
Freel couldn't have, but Kearns could.

IMO he is out if Kearns is out there.

They ran on Kearns yesturday.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:01 PM
This game might be on the line right here....Arroyo struggling

I agree, Green is not the person you want up here.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:02 PM
Big out...lets hope that sparks the offense.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:02 PM
Green strikes out swinging. 3-1 Dbacks mid 3rd.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 03:03 PM
BIG out

Something I like about Arroyo-- he seems pretty capable of damage control when he doesn't have great stuff. He didn't give in to Jackson and then made good pitches to Green.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 03:03 PM
This game might be on the line right here....Arroyo struggling

What I like about Arroyo...cool under pressure

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:04 PM
What I like about Arroyo...cool under pressure

The advantage of pitching big games against the yanks, and playoffs.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:05 PM
Arroyo strikes out swinging. 1 out.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:05 PM
Freel needs to get on base here.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:06 PM
Freel strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:07 PM
Freel needs to get on base here.

Oh well, 94mph is hard to catch up to when you don't play everyday.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:08 PM
Lopez singles to right.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:09 PM
Do you steal here?

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:09 PM
I really like these red jerseys. I wish we would wear them more often.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:10 PM
I really like these red jerseys. I wish we would wear them more often.

More Red the better, however we have not had real good luck on Sunday home games.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:11 PM
Lopez is thrown out attempting to steal 2nd. 3-1 Dbacks after 3.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:11 PM
Not a bad play stealing there, Jr gets to lead off next inning.

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:11 PM
Dumb steal attempt.

George Foster
05-28-2006, 03:12 PM
Is it just us three posting?:D

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:13 PM
Top 4th

Estrada grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:14 PM
Hudson lines out to 2nd. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 03:14 PM
Breaking news: the Tigers are actually losing today.

You don't hear that often these days.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:15 PM
Gonzalez strikes out swinging. 3 K's for Arroyo. 3-1 Dbacks mid 4th.

Gallen5862
05-28-2006, 03:16 PM
I am reading game thread while watching Indy 500 and listening to radio broadcast of UNCW in CAA championiship game for right to play in NCAA baseball regionals. Then going to watch Nascar later lol. How hard is Arroyo working?

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:19 PM
Junior just missed a long foul ball to right.

Junior grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:23 PM
Aurilia strikes out looking. That pitch looked outside. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:24 PM
Dunn flies out to left. 3-1 Dbacks after 4.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 03:25 PM
I thought Dunn was coming out of that slump Friday night, but I was wrong. He's still missing pitches that he usually crushes 450 feet.

One run in the last 25 innings.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:28 PM
Counsell grounds out to 1st. Another nice play by Aurilia. 1 out.

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:30 PM
I thought Dunn was coming out of that slump Friday night, but I was wrong. He's still missing pitches that he usually crushes 450 feet.

One run in the last 25 innings.
He has been in a slump for like a month in a half now.

That is a long slump.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:31 PM
DaVanon strikes out swinging on a pitch in the dirt. 4 K's by Arroyo. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 03:33 PM
He has been in a slump for like a month in a half now.

That is a long slump.

Dunn always struggles in May. It's not much of a surprise. He'll come around again like he always does.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:33 PM
Tracy strikes out looking. 5 K's for Arroyo. Arroyo is now at 91 pitches. 3-1 Dbacks mid 5th.

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:33 PM
Dunn always struggles in May. It's not much of a surprise. He'll come around again like he always does.
I hopy you're right.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:36 PM
Encarnacion strikes out looking. 4 K's by Gonzalez. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Another horrible ump.

First, he calls a 1-1 pitch six inches off the outside corner a strike, next pitch was on the inside half and he calls it strike three. Can't have it both ways.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Phillips grounds out to the pitcher. 2 outs.

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:38 PM
A trade needs to be made, and shockingly it isn't for pitching.

You don't go in a team wide slump for a month.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:38 PM
Ross grounds out to 3rd as Tracy makes a diving stop. 3-1 Dbacks after 5.

M2
05-28-2006, 03:39 PM
Not a single Reds hitter has seen ball three so far.

oneupper
05-28-2006, 03:39 PM
A trade needs to be made, and shockingly it isn't for pitching.

You don't go in a team wide slump for a month.

Dunno about that, but last time Narron tried to "shake things up" he moved Dunn into the 2 slot and it worked pretty well.

M2
05-28-2006, 03:40 PM
A trade needs to be made, and shockingly it isn't for pitching.

You don't go in a team wide slump for a month.

That's among the worst ideas I've ever heard.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:41 PM
Dunno about that, but last time Narron tried to "shake things up" he moved Dunn into the 2 slot and it worked pretty well.

I like Dunn hitting 2nd. I wish he would try that again.

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:42 PM
That's among the worst ideas I've ever heard.
Well we need pitching too, but we need to trade one of our power hitters

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:42 PM
Gonzalez flies out to the warning track in left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:43 PM
Jackson singles to right.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 03:45 PM
ANOTHER error....

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:45 PM
Green singles to right. Freel bobbles the ball allowing the runner to go to 2nd. 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:45 PM
Freel has been awful lately.

oneupper
05-28-2006, 03:45 PM
That should have been a DP.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:45 PM
Intentional walk to Estrada to load the bases.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:48 PM
Hudson grounds out to 2nd. Run scores. 4-1 Dbacks. 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.

M2
05-28-2006, 03:48 PM
Well we need pitching too, but we need to trade one of our power hitters

Sure trade an OF for pitching by all means, just don't trade a quality hitter in search of someone to do the same job (which is what you were advocating, trading for a hitter to offer immediate help).

As for the month-long slump, it's an awfully good team that slumps to a little over four runs a game. For instance the Cubs would do well to improve to where the Reds have slumped to.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 03:49 PM
If the Reds play like this on this upcoming road trip, they're going to come home buried in the standings.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:50 PM
Gonzalez strikes out swinging. That should be it for Arroyo at 113 pitches. 4-1 Dbacks mid 6th.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:51 PM
McCracken pinch hitting for Arroyo.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 03:53 PM
I'd like to thank George Grande for telling us that that little pop fly to right is "going to stay in the park."

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:54 PM
McCracken flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:55 PM
Freel flies out to left as Gonzalez makes a diving catch. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 03:55 PM
Ryan Freel's home run in the first inning was a rally killing HR according to Chris Welsh.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:57 PM
Lopez walks on a 3-2 pitch.

M2
05-28-2006, 03:57 PM
Great AB by Felipe.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 03:58 PM
OHHHH, Junior missed a mistake pitch there!

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 03:58 PM
Great AB by Felipe.

I love his much improved plate discipline this year.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 03:58 PM
Junior flies out to the warning track in center. 4-1 Dbacks after 6.

reds44
05-28-2006, 03:59 PM
I love his much improved plate discipline this year.
I think he is focusing more on putting the ball in play then hitting it out. At least it seems that way because his power numbers are down.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 03:59 PM
Denorfia has hit his 4th HR of the year today. Get him up here.

He came in to the day hitting .348/.418/.467

M2
05-28-2006, 03:59 PM
OHHHH, Junior missed a mistake pitch there!

They're missing a lot of seemingly hittable stuff today. Gonzalez has paid no penalties when he works inside the strikezone, which you can tell isn't what he ideally wants to do.

oneupper
05-28-2006, 04:00 PM
Talk about "mixing it up", Astros have Ausmus hitting 2nd today.

BCubb2003
05-28-2006, 04:00 PM
Ryan Freel's home run in the first inning was a rally killing HR according to Chris Welsh.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That's the first time I've actually heard anyone say that seriously. A home run is a one-man rally. It gets a runner on, over and in with one swing of the bat instead of three or fout slumping batters. Or in the Reds case these days, going on 30 innings.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:01 PM
Chris Hammond in to pitch.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:01 PM
Counsell strikes out looking. 1 out.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:01 PM
Junior hasn't walked since May 14th and has acquired only two of those important little items this month.

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:01 PM
I don't get how a leadoff homer is a rally killer.

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:02 PM
Junior hasn't walked since May 14th and has acquired only two of those important little items this month.
He has been swining at everything! He has a terrible OBP.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:02 PM
Denorfia has hit his 4th HR of the year today. Get him up here.

He came in to the day hitting .348/.418/.467

He needs to play everyday....up here that won't happen unless there's an injury or somebody gets traded.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:04 PM
DaVanon strikes out looking. Another outside pitch called a strike. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:05 PM
Tracy flies out to left. 4-1 Dbacks mid 7th.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:05 PM
I think he is focusing more on putting the ball in play then hitting it out. At least it seems that way because his power numbers are down.

Lopez is striking out once ever 5.4 AB this season versus once ever 5.22 AB last season. Virtually no difference there. His power numbers are down because his power numbers are down. His Isolated Discipline numbers are up and that's good.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:07 PM
Junior hasn't walked since May 14th and has acquired only two of those important little items this month.

Wow. I just realized that his OBP is .283... I knew it was bad but not THAT bad!

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:08 PM
He has been swining at everything! He has a terrible OBP.

Yep, and it's a huge problem. There is a guy on the team whose offensive game is making Dave Kingman proud and that guy ain't Adam Dunn. At this point, Griffey really needs to be moved down in the order.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:09 PM
Jorge Julio in to pitch.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:09 PM
Aurilia lines out to center. 1 out.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:10 PM
What? Ump just called a strike at Dunn's eyes.

M2
05-28-2006, 04:10 PM
Lopez is striking out once ever 5.4 AB this season versus once ever 5.22 AB last season. Virtually no difference there. His power numbers are down because his power numbers are down. His Isolated Discipline numbers are up and that's good.

And in general less power and more patience would have been what you'd have expected from Felipe as he moved forward in his career.

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:10 PM
Yep, and it's a huge problem. There is a guy on the team whose offensive game is making Dave Kingman proud and that guy ain't Adam Dunn. At this point, Griffey really needs to be moved down in the order.
Hatte
Dunn
Lopez
Kearns
Griffey
Phillips
EE
catcher


Odd? Yes, but you have your 2 best OBP guys, followed by your 2 best clutch hitters.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:12 PM
This ump is worhless. He flat out stinks.

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:12 PM
Wow terrible ump.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:12 PM
Dunn strikes out looking. Another questionable call. 2 outs.

Narron just got tossed.

kbrake
05-28-2006, 04:12 PM
I like Narron more and more everytime he is ejected.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:12 PM
Dunn called out on a pitch well outside and Narron gets tossed.

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:13 PM
Jerry Jerry Jerry!

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:13 PM
WOW! Did anyone just see that strike two call on Dunn?!? Wow! That is the worst call ever!

And again!!

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:14 PM
This ump is horrible. That should have been ball 4.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:14 PM
Now Encarnacion starts to head to 1B (more of a flinch) and the ump calls an inside strike.

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:15 PM
EE doubles.

Kc61
05-28-2006, 04:15 PM
Man on second. Alert the national media.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:15 PM
Encarnacion doubles to left center.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:15 PM
Phillips flies out to center. 4-1 Dbacks after 7.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:16 PM
Phillips...

First pitch swinging versus a guy who really can't find the plate regardless of what the umpire says. Ugh.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:17 PM
I've never seen such a horrible strike call. That second strike to Dunn was literally at his eyes, and the 3-2 pitch was four inches outside.

Is that any doubt that MLB needs to use questec?

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:18 PM
David Weathers in to pitch. Aurilia moves to 2nd. Hatteberg comes in to play 1st.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:18 PM
I've never seen such a horrible strike call. That second strike to Dunn was literally at his eyes, and the 3-2 pitch was four inches outside.

Is that any doubt that MLB needs to use questec?

Watching that At Bat was like sitting through X3 all over again.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:19 PM
27,694 at the park today.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:20 PM
Gonzalez lines out to Freel. 1 out.

M2
05-28-2006, 04:21 PM
I've never seen such a horrible strike call. That second strike to Dunn was literally at his eyes, and the 3-2 pitch was four inches outside.

Is that any doubt that MLB needs to use questec?

Given the horrible calls Dunn receives I'm surprised the Reds haven't demanded it. It's probably no harder than calling up Bob Dupuy and offering to install it.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:22 PM
Jackson flies out to right. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:22 PM
Green doubles to left center.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:22 PM
If MLB umps continue to be this bad then we will probably start seeing more Delmon Young type incidents start happening. Not that I condone that type of action, but it gets frustrating to continually robbed by horrible calls.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:23 PM
Hatte
Dunn
Lopez
Kearns
Griffey
Phillips
EE
catcher


Odd? Yes, but you have your 2 best OBP guys, followed by your 2 best clutch hitters.

If they're not going to play Freel...

Lopez
Encarnacion
Dunn
Kearns
Griffey
Phllips
Hatteberg
Larue

Can't lead off Hatteberg because he's slooooow as molasses. Ditto for hitting him behind Griffey (DP likely). But Hatteberg is a good guy to hit behind Phillips in order to work counts deep; giving Phillips the opportunity to use his wheels to swipe a base when appropriate. Use that lineup, leave it be, and score some Runs.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:25 PM
What is this ump's problem?

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:25 PM
haha wow this ump is awful.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:26 PM
And now his strikezone shrinks all of a sudden.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:26 PM
This umpire is just awful.

The Weathers pitch was a Ball, but not based on the way the Balls and Strikes have been called today.

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:28 PM
What A Play By Freellllllllllll!

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:28 PM
Estrada lines a single to right. Freel throws out the runner at home. Great throw by Freel. 4-1 Dbacks mid 8th.

M2
05-28-2006, 04:28 PM
Steel, you going to sign up for the Redszone mock draft?

reds44
05-28-2006, 04:28 PM
Score some RUNS!!!!!

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:28 PM
Freel nails the runner going for home after an Estrada single to right. NICELY done.

Falls City Beer
05-28-2006, 04:30 PM
I know one thing: this offense should be hog-tied and thrown into the Ohio after this weekend's debacle.

What a joke.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:31 PM
Brandon Lyon in to pitch.

Ross reaches on a bunt single.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:31 PM
I feel sorry for Kerry Wood tomorrow.

This offense is too good to stay down any longer. Everyone is going to bust loose very soon and score about 15-17 runs in a game. I have a feeling it will be tomorrow against Wood.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:31 PM
Steel, you going to sign up for the Redszone mock draft?

Wanted to, but I'm not sure I'll have time. Been moving (buying house, selling house, packing, unpacking, etc.) recently. Today's the first time I've actually been able to sit down and watch a dang game.

Now I just need to figure out how to get my computer connected to run mlb.tv on my new 32" LCD TV.

BTW, having an ISP in Iowa flat out stinks (even though I don't live in Iowa). I think MLB claims about 1/6 of the MLB teams are close enough to blackout. Ugh.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:33 PM
Hatteberg two run homer.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:34 PM
Maybe that's the spark they needed...

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:34 PM
Hatteberg homers to right!! 4-3 Dbacks.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:34 PM
Hatteberg with a 2-Run tater!

BCubb2003
05-28-2006, 04:36 PM
Hatteburg kills the rally.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:36 PM
Hmmm...time for some scrappiness

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:36 PM
Hatteburg kills the rally.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:37 PM
Freel lines a double to left.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:37 PM
Freel Doubles! Rally anew.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:37 PM
I hope you can find the time to participate in the mock draft, Steel. I believe there are five teams remaining - I could put you down for one of those teams, and if something comes up and you don't have the time then we could find someone else to pick for you.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:38 PM
I hope you can find the time to participate in the mock draft, Steel. I believe there are five teams remaining - I could put you down for one of those teams, and if something comes up and you don't have the time then we could find someone else to pick for you.

When is it?

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:39 PM
When is it?

Next Monday. Not sure of the time yet.

Kc61
05-28-2006, 04:39 PM
Why did Lopez bunt?

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:39 PM
Nice small ball by Lopez.

They need to do more of that...

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:39 PM
What the heck is Dent doing? Felipe has now offered to bunt at two pitches with a RISP.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:39 PM
Griffey getting walked.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:40 PM
Lopez sacrifices the runner to 3rd. 1 out.

Falls City Beer
05-28-2006, 04:40 PM
Why did Lopez bunt?

God only knows.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:40 PM
Next Monday. Not sure of the time yet.

Ok. Put me down for the highest drafting team available and I'll let you know if I can't go.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:40 PM
Why did Lopez bunt?

Good question. I really hate the bunt in that situation.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:40 PM
Intentional walk to Junior. 1st and 3rd.

M2
05-28-2006, 04:41 PM
No way in hell I'd let Aurilia bat here.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:41 PM
Ok. Put me down for the highest drafting team available and I'll let you know if I can't go.

Cool. The Blue Jays are the highest team left (#14) and they only have one pick. Is that fine?

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:41 PM
Good question. I really hate the bunt in that situation.

I'd rather Lopez bunt with the big boppers coming up than Dunn bunt (like the other day).

Lopez can actually bunt and do it right unlike some on this team.

Kc61
05-28-2006, 04:41 PM
Nice small ball by Lopez.

They need to do more of that...

I don't think it's a good play to take the bat out of Lopez' hands. Reds haven't been getting runner home from third.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:43 PM
Cool. The Blue Jays are the highest team left (#14) and they only have one pick. Is that fine?

Yeah. That'll work. Thanks, bud!

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:43 PM
Another ball off the corner called a strike three.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:43 PM
Aurilia called strike 3

It's up to Dunn.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:44 PM
Aurilia strikes out looking. Another outside pitch. 2 outs.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:44 PM
Ugh. Perfect pitch. Aurilia's gone.

Falls City Beer
05-28-2006, 04:44 PM
This is what happens when you give away outs.

M2
05-28-2006, 04:45 PM
You simply don't have Rich Aurilia take that AB against an RHP after you've had Felipe Lopez bunt the man to third.

It would be like having you volleyball team run a spike set for a guy in wheelchair.

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:45 PM
This is what happens when you give away outs.

Yep, instead of three chances to plate a guy from 2nd, you have two to plate him from third. Not smart.

Heath
05-28-2006, 04:45 PM
C'mon Adam.

oneupper
05-28-2006, 04:47 PM
Yep, instead of three chances to plate a guy from 2nd, you have two to plate him from third. Not smart.

With a good hitter up there, too. Dumb.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:48 PM
Dunn lines out to left. 4-3 Dbacks after 8.

Yachtzee
05-28-2006, 04:48 PM
"Free Outs!...Get yer Free Outs!..."

Heath
05-28-2006, 04:48 PM
Let the bellyaching begin... :rolleyes:

SteelSD
05-28-2006, 04:48 PM
With a good hitter up there, too. Dumb.

Yup. It ain't like Felipe Lopez has been channeling Juan Castro this year. Shortsighted management there.

pedro
05-28-2006, 04:48 PM
Bucky Dent is still a swear word around these parts.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:50 PM
That Lopez bunt probably just lost this game.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:50 PM
Bucky Dent is still a swear word around these parts.

Maybe Lopez did it on his own....maybe Jerry called it (Marty says even though he got tossed, he still calls the shot).

We don't know.

Did I mention this ump sucks?

M2
05-28-2006, 04:50 PM
Yep, instead of three chances to plate a guy from 2nd, you have two to plate him from third. Not smart.

I don't mind that so much as what transpired afterward. The D-Backs clearly wanted to face Rich Aurilia for the money AB and Narron, who's got Austin Kearns sitting on his bench let them dictate the matchup and wriggle free.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 04:51 PM
wow, he's really squeezing Weathers

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:51 PM
That Lopez bunt probably just lost this game.

Yep. That'll be the sole reason. :rolleyes:

pedro
05-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Maybe Lopez did it on his own....maybe Jerry called it (Marty says even though he got tossed, he still calls the shot).

We don't know.

Did I mention this ump sucks?

I know. I just like to say "BUCKY DENT!"

oneupper
05-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Maybe Lopez did it on his own....maybe Jerry called it (Marty says even though he got tossed, he still calls the shot).

We don't know.

Did I mention this ump sucks?

I'm thinking its Lopez. I doubt Jerry or Bucky would have him bunt with 2 strikes.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Hudson grounds out to short. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:51 PM
I know. I just like to say "BUCKY DENT!"

No... It's Bucky :censored: Dent :D

Falls City Beer
05-28-2006, 04:52 PM
That Lopez bunt probably just lost this game.

In the ninth the D-Backs will run out some guy no one's ever heard of (except his Mom) who will strike out the side on 9 pitches.

pedro
05-28-2006, 04:52 PM
No... It's Bucky :censored: Dent :D

It's implied.

Yachtzee
05-28-2006, 04:52 PM
Marty again uses Dunn's line-out as the opportunity to Dunn bash, even though he did not strike out or walk, which is Marty's chief complaint.

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:53 PM
Yep. That'll be the sole reason. :rolleyes:

Yep, because that's exactly what I said wasn't it? :rolleyes: Point out where I said it was the sole reason. Thanks.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:54 PM
Easley pinch hits and fouls out to the catcher. 2 outs.

Ron Madden
05-28-2006, 04:54 PM
Marty blames Dunn. :(

OnBaseMachine
05-28-2006, 04:54 PM
Marty again uses Dunn's line-out as the opportunity to Dunn bash, even though he did not strike out or walk, which is Marty's chief complaint.

Marty's boy, Aurilia, took strike 3 called with one out. I can't wait until Marty retires.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 04:54 PM
If we lose, it will be the third time since last Sunday that we've dropped a game where the pitching staff did more than enough to win the game. For the Reds, that spells major disaster.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:55 PM
Counsell flies out to right. 4-3 Dbacks mid 9th.

Encarnacion, pinch hitter (probably Kearns) and Ross due up.

Yachtzee
05-28-2006, 04:55 PM
The kicker is that Marty also threw in a dig at those who are "ga-ga over On Base Percentage."

Edskin
05-28-2006, 04:55 PM
Man, we could really use someone stepping up here. Things has been unraveling lately and this could be a nice pick-me-up win before the road trip.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Marty's boy, Aurilia, took strike 3 called with one out. I can't wait until Marty retires.

Today the the strikes deserve " " around them....strikes they haven't been

pedro
05-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Marty blames Dunn. :(

well he sure ain't going to blame Richie. Even if his OBP with RISP is .273.

M2
05-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Marty again uses Dunn's line-out as the opportunity to Dunn bash, even though he did not strike out or walk, which is Marty's chief complaint.

Dunn wasn't the guy watching strike three go past with a man on third and one out. He's the guy who took the count full with two outs and rapped the ball the other way (though unfortuntely it found a fielder). I know which of those two is generally lauded in traditionalist circles and which isn't.

pedro
05-28-2006, 04:57 PM
Marty thinks OBP stands for Oil Based Pompedour.

Falls City Beer
05-28-2006, 04:57 PM
Counsell flies out to right. 4-3 Dbacks mid 9th.

Encarnacion, pinch hitter (probably Kearns) and Ross due up.

If it's getting done it's going to be by Enc. I wouldn't trust those other two to change my tire.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 04:57 PM
Jose Valverde in to pitch.

Matt700wlw
05-28-2006, 04:59 PM
Called strike 3 on EE....that one was actually a strike

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Encarnacion strikes out looking. He should have known anything near the outside corner you have to swing with this ump.1 out.

Kc61
05-28-2006, 05:00 PM
well he sure ain't going to blame Richie. Even if his OBP with RISP is .273.

Terrible at bat by RA, just the latest awful at bat with man on third less than two out. Narron/Dent need to understand that this team should play for the big innng. They are incapable of knocking in one run by getting a key hit or a key fly ball with man on third type situation.

Reds Fanatic
05-28-2006, 05:01 PM
Kearns pinch hitting for Weathers.

Kearns reaches on an infield single.

Edskin
05-28-2006, 05:01 PM
there's some luck....now it just takes 1 shot......

reds44
05-28-2006, 05:01 PM
AK with an infiled hit.