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captainmorgan07
05-29-2006, 09:14 PM
per marcs blog belisle having back problems germano called up

edabbs44
05-29-2006, 09:18 PM
per marcs blog belisle having back problems germano called up
Can't wait to see what Germano can bring (if anything) to the table.

reds44
05-29-2006, 09:21 PM
Belisle goes home, Germano en route

CHICAGO -- Following this afternoon's game, Matt Belisle headed back to Cincinnati. He's experiencing pain in his lower back and will be examined by Doc Kremchek tomorrow morning.

There is no DL move yet, but just in case, the Reds are having Justin Germano fly into Chicago so they'll have another body available tomorrow night. Germano is 3-6 with a 4.66 ERA in 10 starts for Louisville.

Interesting. I thought it would be 1 of the AA guys.

CTA513
05-29-2006, 09:22 PM
per marcs blog belisle having back problems germano called up

It sounds like Germano wont be able to pitch unless Belisle goes on the DL.
Im guessing they must think Belisle is going to go on the DL if they are flying Germano to Chicago.

KronoRed
05-29-2006, 09:23 PM
I hope he does well and some other guys in the pen head out as a result

jimbo
05-29-2006, 09:28 PM
I can't get real excited about Germano. It's scarey knowing he is the best that the Reds minor league system currently has to offer. I hope I am wrong about him though and he comes up here and pitches well, the bullpen needs a boost to say the least.

Reds1
05-29-2006, 09:31 PM
I can't get real excited about Germano. It's scarey knowing he is the best that the Reds minor league system currently has to offer. I hope I am wrong about him though and he comes up here and pitches well, the bullpen needs a boost to say the least.

That doesn't mean he is the best they have to offer. With the option rules along with starting the free agent clock it could just be an emergency guy that they can send back down. Too bad Wagner isn't ready.

cincyinco
05-29-2006, 09:37 PM
That doesn't mean he is the best they have to offer. With the option rules along with starting the free agent clock it could just be an emergency guy that they can send back down. Too bad Wagner isn't ready.

Belisle is more of a swing guy, a guy you have go out there multiple innings. I think thats why they called up Germano. Wagner seems like a 1 inning relief guy... and thats if he can even put up a good performance. He's been terrible. Looking more and more like a bust, unfortunately.

Heath
05-29-2006, 09:40 PM
Ryan Wagner still has enough upside that he'll get tossed into some deal as filler. He actually might be back something.

Redmachine2003
05-29-2006, 09:42 PM
Didn't Belisle have back surgery in the minors???

chicoruiz
05-29-2006, 09:57 PM
I would have preferred Coutlangus (insert crude joke here)....

Heath
05-29-2006, 09:59 PM
I would have preferred Coutlangus (insert crude joke here)....


Toss in Shafer & Dumatrait and DFA some of the stiffs in the 'pen. Watch Jerry Narron self-destruct at the thought of not much 'veteran-ess' in the 'pen.

M2
05-29-2006, 10:02 PM
Hard to sum up in words how much I don't want to see soft-tossing Justin Germano taking the mound in a Reds uniform.

TeamBoone
05-29-2006, 10:08 PM
Geez, everyone is talking about Germano and not even mentioning that it's a shame about Belisle!

I hope what ever it is that it's minor. Good luck to you Matt; get well quickly.

Super_Barry11
05-29-2006, 10:10 PM
Geez, everyone is talking about Germano and not even mentioning that it's a shame about Belisle!

I what ever it is that it's minor. Good luck to you Matt; get well quickly.

TB, you and I are always thinking the same thing (kinda scary, huh??). :p:

Get well soon, Matt!!!

Superdude
05-29-2006, 10:26 PM
per marcs blog belisle having back problems germano called up

$10 says he gets lit up.

Krusty
05-29-2006, 10:36 PM
Well, Germano was a Dan O'Brien acquistion and we have seen how they have been turning out.

RedLegSuperStar
05-29-2006, 11:24 PM
also on rotoworld.com:

Matt Belisle returned to Cincinnati following Monday's game to have his sore lower back examined.

If Belisle required a DL stint, the Reds will call up Justin Germano to pitch in middle relief.

Heath
05-29-2006, 11:39 PM
Hard to sum up in words how much I don't want to see soft-tossing Justin Germano taking the mound in a Reds uniform.

Too bad he can't sink some of those soft tosses.

Ron Madden
05-29-2006, 11:41 PM
Anyone know just how long this has been bothering Matt?

GitRDunn
05-30-2006, 09:54 AM
As if the bullpen wasn't bad enough, Belisle may be headed to the DL. :bang:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/reds/daily/0530redsbreak.html


Either the starters will need to start going 8 or 9 innings every start.
The offense will need to start scoring 10+ runs per game to outscore the opponent.
We're screwed.

dabvu2498
05-30-2006, 09:56 AM
Welcome back to the major leagues, Joe Mays.

Red Heeler
05-30-2006, 10:44 AM
Anyone know just how long this has been bothering Matt?

It must not be from the work load. Maybe the bullpen seats are uncomfortable. OTOH, maybe back soreness is why he hasn't been used any more. If Claussen continues to struggle, I would like to see Belisle and him trade places once Belisle gets healthy.

LincolnparkRed
05-30-2006, 12:13 PM
It must not be from the work load. Maybe the bullpen seats are uncomfortable. OTOH, maybe back soreness is why he hasn't been used any more. If Claussen continues to struggle, I would like to see Belisle and him trade places once Belisle gets healthy.

I don't think Claussen would be any better in the pen than he would be as a starter. His problem is consistancy but then again when Belisle started last year he wasn't that consistent either. Calling up Germano doesn't excite me that much but it saves them from making a 40 man move and going with untested AA arms. So for now i hope Justin has some sucess and something is done about the White, Shackelford, and Mercker triumverate of crappy pitching.

markymark69
05-30-2006, 12:46 PM
Interesting. I thought it would be 1 of the AA guys.


I read a piece a couple of days when Krivsky was asked about a prospect at AA and he said he does not skip levels, so it's not likely we will see anyone make a jump from AA to the majors on Krivsky's watch.

CaiGuy
05-30-2006, 12:50 PM
...and we thought Rick White is the problem

bad, bad, bad

Danny Serafini
05-30-2006, 01:24 PM
It's now official, Belisle to the DL retoractive to Sunday, Germano recalled.

NewEraReds
05-30-2006, 01:35 PM
Toss in Shafer & Dumatrait and DFA some of the stiffs in the 'pen. Watch Jerry Narron self-destruct at the thought of not much 'veteran-ess' in the 'pen.
i think this goes to the same reason we talk about in the bailey thread. krivsky knows you must DEVELOP the players fully or as much as possible before you bring them up. you can get away with bringing guys up early, but i dont think they will ever be as good as they could have been or be as complete and thus make your team as good as if you let them develop in the minors. i dont want a team of guys who cant play d, cant run the bases right, cant bunt, cant be a "pitcher" etc. we already have that ;) i want guys who do it all right and are talented. see the cardinals :)

Puffy
05-30-2006, 01:47 PM
i think this goes to the same reason we talk about in the bailey thread. krivsky knows you must DEVELOP the players fully or as much as possible before you bring them up. you can get away with bringing guys up early, but i dont think they will ever be as good as they could have been or be as complete and thus make your team as good as if you let them develop in the minors. i dont want a team of guys who cant play d, cant run the bases right, cant bunt, cant be a "pitcher" etc. we already have that ;) i want guys who do it all right and are talented. see the cardinals :)

You mean like Albert Pujols who went from Single A to the majors in the Cardinal organization??

Danny Serafini
05-30-2006, 02:11 PM
Albert Pujols is a freak of nature. It's not really fair to hold him up as the example, because very, very few players compare to him.

Red Heeler
05-30-2006, 02:19 PM
I don't think Claussen would be any better in the pen than he would be as a starter. His problem is consistancy but then again when Belisle started last year he wasn't that consistent either. Calling up Germano doesn't excite me that much but it saves them from making a 40 man move and going with untested AA arms. So for now i hope Justin has some sucess and something is done about the White, Shackelford, and Mercker triumverate of crappy pitching.

Claussen has had plenty of time to make strides toward being a good starting pitcher. Belisle has yet to have an opportunity to start on a consistent basis. At this point we prett well know that Claussen is an OK 5th starter, but you cannot count on him to be any more than that. Belisle showed signs last year of being at least an OK 5th starter. Maybe his is better than that, and maybe his is worse. I think that the time has come to find out.

TeamBoone
05-30-2006, 02:35 PM
I don't think Claussen would be any better in the pen than he would be as a starter.

If I were the manager, I wouldn't even consider moving Claussen to the bullpen.

Traditionally, Claussen often has a bad first or second inning, and then settles down quite nicely. Nine times out of ten, that's ok for a starter as long as he doesn't give up so many runs early on that he puts the team out of it from the get-go... but it's certainly not a trait that will EVER be effective from someone coming out of the bullpen. It would/could potentially be suicide to the team.

edabbs44
05-30-2006, 02:37 PM
Belisle officially placed on DL a/o 5/28...JG gets the call.

RedsManRick
05-30-2006, 02:44 PM
Germano was the throw in and Chick was the real chip in the Randa deal, right?

edabbs44
05-30-2006, 02:48 PM
Germano was the throw in and Chick was the real chip in the Randa deal, right?
I believe that was the case, though Chick has the higher "ceiling" and Germano was "safer". If my memory serves me correctly.

KronoRed
05-30-2006, 03:40 PM
Albert Pujols is a freak of nature. It's not really fair to hold him up as the example, because very, very few players compare to him.
Agreed, if someone is good enough they will make it up fast, those guys are rare.

CTA513
05-30-2006, 03:43 PM
Agreed, if someone is good enough they will make it up fast, those guys are rare.

Get the time machine running and we can go back in time and draft Pujols.

:devil:

TRF
05-30-2006, 03:43 PM
Hard to sum up in words how much I don't want to see soft-tossing Justin Germano taking the mound in a Reds uniform.

Chris Hammond says hi.

There is a place for soft tossers, especially ones with good control. Germano is supposed to have that. I wouldn't want 11 of him, but I'll take a couple. He doesn't walk a ton of guys, but is a little too hittable. He's allowed 8 HR this year, which probably puts him right where the rest of the Reds starters are.

I don't know if he's an upgrade over Belisle... in fact I'd wager he's a downgrade. But I prefer him to Rick White.

KronoRed
05-30-2006, 03:54 PM
Get the time machine running and we can go back in time and draft Pujols.

:devil:
We'd find out he's 45 and he'd tear his rotator cuff ;)

RedsFan75
05-30-2006, 04:12 PM
Naw, with the management at the time he'd still be in AA

NewEraReds
05-30-2006, 04:22 PM
You mean like Albert Pujols who went from Single A to the majors in the Cardinal organization??
yea, and name me ONE more. hes a freak, there are always exceptions

BoydsOfSummer
05-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Belisle finally figured out lefties this year, then righties started raking him. Puzzling. Anyways,good luck with the bad back,Matt,I know how you feel.

Puffy
05-30-2006, 07:27 PM
yea, and name me ONE more. hes a freak, there are always exceptions

OK, lets look at the Cardinal roster:

Chris Carpenter came from the Blue Jays system
Jason Marquis came from the Atlanta system
Sindey Ponson came from the Baltimore system
Mark Mulder came from the Oakland system
Jeff Suppan came from Kansas City system

Looper came from the Marlins organization
Rincon came from Pittsburgh organization
Izzy came from the Mets organization
Hancock came from the Phillies organization
Wainwright came from the Braves organization

Miles came thru the White Sox organization
Eckstein came from the Angels
Rolen came from the Phillies
Speizo came up thru the Oakland Organization
Luna was a Cardinal
Pujols was a Cardinal

Edmonds came thru the Angels Organization
Encarnacion came thru the Tigers organization
Bigbie came thru the Baltimore organization

So, as far as I can tell, your claim that the Cardinals, who "do it all right and are talented," have brought exactly four guys currently on the roster thru their system - Pujols, Luna, Molina and Thompson and all the rest have been free agents or acquired thru trades. It wasn't the Cardinal minor league system who taught them these traits and habits - it was either other organizations or the major league coaching staffs.