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OnBaseMachine
05-30-2006, 08:59 PM
Per ESPN, Jim Edmonds and David Eckstein are the leading vote getters at their respective positions. :rolleyes:

Eckstein is having a good year, but Lopez should start over him. Edmonds is having a horrible year and doesn' even deserve to be the 25th man on the team(.241/.345/.379).

Looks like Dunn will be snubbed again this year.

guttle11
05-30-2006, 09:00 PM
Fan voting needs to be abolished.

GridironGrace
05-30-2006, 09:00 PM
i did 25 votes.. plan on doing 25 more with another account soon

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2006, 09:01 PM
Fan voting needs to be abolished.

Absolutely.

MattyHo4Life
05-30-2006, 09:01 PM
I'm guessing that has a lot to do with the Cardinals selling out every game, and so many standing room only tickets being sold for every game.

KronoRed
05-30-2006, 09:02 PM
Fan voting needs to be abolished.
Agreed, establish a set of guidelines and pick the players that fit them.

Joseph
05-30-2006, 09:02 PM
Cards fans keep that up and they'll be just a notch above Cubs and Yankees fans. :)

Kidding MattyMo.

Yachtzee
05-30-2006, 09:04 PM
That's a fans perogative. It's not like Cincinnati has never stuffed an All-Star ballot box before. ;)

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2006, 09:06 PM
Yadier Molina, despite possibily being the worst hitting regular in baseball(.455 OPS), is second in votes behind LoDuca for catchers. :rolleyes:

I deserve to make the team for than Edmonds and Molina.

Griffey also appears to have a spot locked up despite missing half the year and having a OBP below .300.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Cards fans keep that up and they'll be just a notch above Cubs and Yankees fans. :)

Kidding MattyMo.

I already rank 'em below Cubs fans. ;)

guttle11
05-30-2006, 09:09 PM
Agreed, establish a set of guidelines and pick the players that fit them.

Yep. And the first guideline should be that you had to participate in 75% of your team's games, or the equivalent # of AB's, for position players.

Announce the team two weeks in advance, then let the fans vote for the starters of the players selected. That way the right players get picked, and the fans still have a "voice."

StillFunkyB
05-30-2006, 09:12 PM
Fan voting ABSOLUTELY needs to go.

Especially if the game counts for home field in the WS. (Which I also think is silly.)

Redhook
05-30-2006, 10:38 PM
Fan voting ABSOLUTELY needs to go.

Especially if the game counts for home field in the WS. (Which I also think is silly.)

Fan voting needs to stay and it will stay. The game is about the fans. Unfortunately, But the Pud decided to make the game count. Now that's a bad move!

If we had as many fans as the Cards we'd probably be accused of stuffing the ballots too. They have a new stadium, they're going to get the most votes.

remdog
05-30-2006, 10:45 PM
First of all, even though I love both AD and Jr., neither deserve to make this team based on their play so far this year.

Secondly, making an exhibition game a factor in who wins the WS is dumb beyond belief but, after all, it is Bud. :rolleyes:

Rem

reds44
05-30-2006, 10:46 PM
Looks like Dunn will be snubbed again this year.
Dunn doesn't deserve to be on the all-star team. He should be on it before Edmonds, but Dunn isn't having an all-star year right now.

Redhook
05-30-2006, 10:51 PM
Dunn doesn't deserve to be on the all-star team. He should be on it before Edmonds, but Dunn isn't having an all-star year right now.

Well said, UNLESS, he suddenly turns into Pujols for the next month or so. :pray:

Lopez, Arroyo, and maybe Coffey (he'll need more saves though) will make it this there.

Matt700wlw
05-30-2006, 10:52 PM
Per ESPN, Jim Edmonds and David Eckstein are the leading vote getters at their respective positions

Is George Grande allowed to vote?

Oxilon
05-30-2006, 10:53 PM
I'm not positive, but maybe a large portion of the reason the Cardinals having so many votes for their players, is due to the fact that they've had the most amounts of home games since All Star voting has begun. The playing level will even out a little once we get a closer to the voting deadline.

M2
05-30-2006, 11:38 PM
That's a fans perogative. It's not like Cincinnati has never stuffed an All-Star ballot box before. ;)

Exactly.

As MattyMo noted, they've got the fans showing up in droves and those fans are rabid for the team. There's 15 other cities in the NL. If St. Louis can run roughshod over all 15 of them, then more power to St. Louis.

NastyBoy
05-30-2006, 11:49 PM
That's a fans perogative. It's not like Cincinnati has never stuffed an All-Star ballot box before. ;)

Oh yeah... it was cincinnati that lost the balloting for the fans! :thumbup:

NastyBoy
05-30-2006, 11:55 PM
The only players that I think should be considered for the Reds so far is Coffee, Bronson, and Lopez.

I would like to see Dunn in the HR Derby. Does anyone know if they are doing the international theme again this year?

Shaggy Sanchez
05-31-2006, 12:59 AM
i did 25 votes.. plan on doing 25 more with another account soon

Wouldn't this be considered the Reds fans stuffing the ballots?:evil:

TeamBoone
05-31-2006, 01:53 AM
I think I read that the first tally is coming out tomorrow.

TeamBoone
05-31-2006, 01:55 AM
The only players that I think should be considered for the Reds so far is Coffee, Bronson, and Lopez.

Personally, I think Felipe has made too many errors. And that in NO WAY means that I don't think he's a good player, because I do. I just think the errors will get in the way of him being chosen for the All Star Game.

I do, however, think Kearns deserves a shot. I hope he gets lots of votes.

Reds Fanatic
05-31-2006, 07:56 AM
Here are the current voting totals for the National League:


NATIONAL LEAGUE ALL-STAR BALLOTING UPDATE
May 30, 2006

First Base
1. Albert Pujols, Cardinals 726,854
2. Carlos Delgado, Mets 220,484
3. Lance Berkman, Astros 174,278
4. Derrek Lee, Cubs 131,359
5. Nomar Garciaparra, Dodgers 129,034

Second Base
1. Craig Biggio, Astros 303,616
2. Chase Utley, Phillies 286,247
3. Marcus Giles, Braves 153,988
4. Todd Walker, Cubs 150,322
5. Jeff Kent, Dodgers 140,691

Third Base
1. Scott Rolen, Cardinals 340,733
2. David Wright, Mets 292,335
3. Morgan Ensberg, Astros 198,930
4. Chipper Jones, Braves 184,331
5. Aramis Ramirez, Cubs 142,404

Shortstop
1. David Eckstein, Cardinals 284,547
2. Edgar Renteria, Braves 236,673
3. Jose Reyes, Mets 221,335
4. Jimmy Rollins, Phillies 206,780
5. Omar Vizquel, Giants 146,904

Catcher
1. Paul Lo Duca, Mets 273,059
2. Mike Piazza, Padres 264,787
3. Yadier Molina, Cardinals 256,270
4. Brad Ausmus, Astros 186,933
5. Michael Barrett, Cubs 182,309

Outfield
1. Andruw Jones, Braves 420,462
2. Carlos Beltran, Mets 341,769
3. Jim Edmonds, Cardinals 334,027
4. Ken Griffey, Jr., Reds 326,592
5. Alfonso Soriano, Nationals 273,373
6. Bobby Abreu, Phillies 244,212
7. Carlos Lee, Brewers 224,829
8. Barry Bonds, Giants 210,146
9. Adam Dunn, Reds 180,379
10. Aaron Rowand, Phillies 162,741
11. Xavier Nady, Mets 142,278
12. Juan Encarnacion, Cardinals 137,439
13. Jeff Francoeur, Braves 136,478
14. So Taguchi, Cardinals 135,178
15. Juan Pierre, Cubs 134,527

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 08:05 AM
So Taguchi and Juan Encarnacion in the top 15. :laugh: :laugh:

Yadier Molina doesn't deserve to make the Double-A All-Star team, let alone the major league AS game.

I hope MLB does away with fan voting...and very soon. It's beyond ridiculous, IMO.

savafan
05-31-2006, 08:36 AM
If voting were to end today, would that be the worst starting lineup for the NL in All-Star game history? My gut says yes.

dabvu2498
05-31-2006, 08:40 AM
I hope MLB does away with fan voting...and very soon. It's beyond ridiculous, IMO.
It's tradition, and there are certain traditions that will never die. I don't necessarily like this one. I would propose a system where 1/4 of the total vote comes from each of the following: 1) fans, 2) player, 3) managers, coaches, FO, 4) media. But that's never going to happen.

Anyone know what the NFL's system for Pro Bowl selections is???

REDREAD
05-31-2006, 08:58 AM
Well, look at it this way. The Cards will probably make the playoffs. If they stuff the All Star roster with Molinda and other undeserving players, they are basically giving away home field advantage for the World Series :)

I'm going to go against the trend and say that fan voting should stay in the all star game. Sure, it ends up being a huge popularity contest, but it's a way to create interest in the game. We've got a nice 2 page thread here with people getting riled up and possibly going online to vote for more deserving players. Baseball wants that kind of attention/publicity.

If they changed the allstar selection method to be based on a statistical method (or even the coach's decision), the fans would not be as emotionally involved in the game.

As far as deciding home field advantage, I see pros and cons to that idea. It seems about as fair as the "old" way where home field advantage alternated every year between the AL and NL. For the World Series, I think it's unfair to use W-L % to determine homefield advantage because of unbalanced schedules and the talent in a league can fluctate from year to year.

oneupper
05-31-2006, 08:59 AM
It's tradition, and there are certain traditions that will never die. I don't necessarily like this one. I would propose a system where 1/4 of the total vote comes from each of the following: 1) fans, 2) player, 3) managers, coaches, FO, 4) media. But that's never going to happen.

It will take something like 7 Cardinal starters to do that. Remember it was the REDS ballot stuffing that took the vote AWAY from the fans.

So maybe we should all stuff the ballots for the Redbirds.

Eric in IL
05-31-2006, 09:54 AM
REDREAD is dead on the money with this. I've told many of the Cardinal fans I'm surrounded by that just voting all Cardinal players for the All-Star game is incredibly short-sighted. I can't believe with a very good shot at making the postseason and World Series that you would want to put the very best National League lineup out there that you could.

CaiGuy
05-31-2006, 10:09 AM
Beltran doesn't deserve an AS start either.

Lopez isn't even in the top five.

registerthis
05-31-2006, 10:21 AM
Looks like Dunn will be snubbed again this year.

Well, unfortunately for Adam OBP and OPS just aren't very sexy stats for the fans. He's hitting HRs, but not leading the league. He's nowhere near the top in RBIs, his BA is low, and his D is shoddy. That's a poison pill as far as fan voting goes.

For what it's worth, I'm long since passed getting riled up about All Star voting. It's meaningless.

smith288
05-31-2006, 10:44 AM
It gives our guys a mid season reset... Im fine with that since the All Star game has become a joke with the "this time it means something" crap with players avoiding the game, managers acting like its a tball game with how they manage the bench and bullpen and lack of effort thats given now.

I simply dont give a crap. The nationality aspect is retarded and really takes away from the overall talent in the league when you limit it.

Danny Serafini
05-31-2006, 10:53 AM
It's tradition, and there are certain traditions that will never die. I don't necessarily like this one. I would propose a system where 1/4 of the total vote comes from each of the following: 1) fans, 2) player, 3) managers, coaches, FO, 4) media. But that's never going to happen.

Anyone know what the NFL's system for Pro Bowl selections is???

Remove the media from your proposal and you have the Pro Bowl setup.

redsfan30
05-31-2006, 10:58 AM
Well, unfortunately for Adam OBP and OPS just aren't very sexy stats for the fans. He's hitting HRs, but not leading the league. He's nowhere near the top in RBIs, his BA is low, and his D is shoddy. That's a poison pill as far as fan voting goes.
Exactly. I remember last year getting into a fight saying that Dunn didn't deserve to go to the All Star game (at least being a starter anyway). The OBP and SLG and RC stats were thrown out there and yes, Dunn is very highly regarded in those stats. But those are not "All Star" stats.

RedsManRick
05-31-2006, 11:08 AM
Keep fan voting. Get rid of online voting. Voting at games only.

TeamBoone
05-31-2006, 11:10 AM
I'm very disappointed that Austin Kearns is not even making a showing and that Barry Bonds IS.

redsfan30
05-31-2006, 11:16 AM
I'm very disappointed that Austin Kearns is not even making a showing and that Barry Bonds IS.
Nobody outside of Cincinnati knows who Austin Kearns is.

Barry Bonds (unfortunely) is known.

That's why Junior is fourth in the voting. In no way shape or form does he deserve to be that high, but he is just on name alone.

REDREAD
05-31-2006, 12:32 PM
Nobody outside of Cincinnati knows who Austin Kearns is.

Barry Bonds (unfortunely) is known.

That's why Junior is fourth in the voting. In no way shape or form does he deserve to be that high, but he is just on name alone.

Yes, all the AL fans will probably just punch names that they recognize. That's what's getting Biggio a lot of votes as well.

registerthis
05-31-2006, 01:48 PM
A worse practice than fan balloting, IMO, is the requirement that every team have at least one representative on the AS Team. How can MLb expect anyone to take the All-Star game seriously when there's a Royal playing on it?

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 02:01 PM
A worse practice than fan balloting, IMO, is the requirement that every team have at least one representative on the AS Team. How can MLb expect anyone to take the All-Star game seriously when there's a Royal playing on it?

Which begs the question, which Royal player will make the All-Star team? Mark Grudzielanek .318/.353/.425 is the only player on that roster even remotely deserving of a roster spot.

guttle11
05-31-2006, 02:07 PM
Which begs the question, which Royal player will make the All-Star team? Mark Grudzielanek .318/.353/.425 is the only player on that roster even remotely deserving of a roster spot.

Zach Greinke.

He's the only one smart enough to run away.

traderumor
05-31-2006, 02:11 PM
How about getting rid of the game altogether?

registerthis
05-31-2006, 02:38 PM
How about getting rid of the game altogether?

And the millions of $$$ in revenue it brings in? Not likely.

NastyBoy
05-31-2006, 10:37 PM
Personally, I think Felipe has made too many errors. And that in NO WAY means that I don't think he's a good player, because I do. I just think the errors will get in the way of him being chosen for the All Star Game.

I do, however, think Kearns deserves a shot. I hope he gets lots of votes.

The errors are a big problem... but looking at the team as a whole, he has been the most consistent hitting... or so it seems. Ofcourse, I am not enamoured with any of the reds postion players at the moment.

NastyBoy
05-31-2006, 10:40 PM
Which begs the question, which Royal player will make the All-Star team? Mark Grudzielanek .318/.353/.425 is the only player on that roster even remotely deserving of a roster spot.

Definitely Seth Elarton. :laugh:

Reds Fanatic
05-31-2006, 10:42 PM
Here are the AL current totals. If these votes stay the same the All Star Game is going to be the Cardinals vs. the Red Sox/Yankees.


First Base
1. David Ortiz, Red Sox 451,431
2. Jason Giambi, Yankees 321,653
3. Paul Konerko, White Sox 206,472
4. Travis Hafner, Indians 154,878
5. Chris Shelton, Tigers 153,197

Second Base
1. Robinson Cano, Yankees 289,394
2. Mark Loretta, Red Sox 257,125
3. Tadahito Iguchi, White Sox 246,838
4. Brian Roberts, Orioles 130,702
5. Placido Polanco, Tigers 129,596

Third Base
1. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees 524,153
2. Mike Lowell, Red Sox 224,611
3. Joe Crede, White Sox 171,954
4. Eric Chavez, Athletics 167,020
5. Troy Glaus, Blue Jays 145,243

Shortstop
1. Derek Jeter, Yankees 537,218
2. Miguel Tejada, Orioles 370,078
3. Michael Young, Rangers 142,254
4. Alex Gonzalez, Red Sox 130,616
5. Juan Uribe, White Sox 121,304

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek, Red Sox 335,417
2. Ivan Rodriguez, Tigers 277,034
3. Jorge Posada, Yankees 241,736
4. Victor Martinez, Indians 196,987
5. A.J. Pierzynski, White Sox 180,562

Outfield
1. Manny Ramirez, Red Sox 516,658
2. Vladimir Guerrero, Angels 514,013
3. Johnny Damon, Yankees 393,643
4. Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners 279,843
5. Gary Sheffield, Yankees 275,688
6. Vernon Wells, Blue Jays 242,211
7. Hideki Matsui, Yankees 231,777
8. Scott Podsednik, White Sox 195,402
9. Coco Crisp, Red Sox 189,680
10. Jermaine Dye, White Sox 183,160
11. Trot Nixon, Red Sox 177,745
12. Torii Hunter, Twins 169,937
13. Grady Sizemore, Indians 137,716
14. Jonny Gomes, Devil Rays 132,264
15. Kevin Mench, Rangers 131,779

MattyHo4Life
05-31-2006, 10:42 PM
I don't think you can blame any fans for ballot stuffing, because MLB encourages it. You can go to any mlb team website, and they encourage you to vote for your teams players. I remember the Cardinals website was pushing for fans to vote for Pujols and Rolen when the vote first started. I think they also showed pictures of all of the cardinal players (as did every other team site of it's players), and told fans to vote.

Outshined_One
05-31-2006, 10:57 PM
15. Juan Pierre, Cubs 134,527

:laugh:

SirFelixCat
05-31-2006, 11:00 PM
Fan voting needs to be abolished.


Agreed 100%

Nugget
05-31-2006, 11:42 PM
I like the idea of giving the fans a say. If some fans are more strient and involved than others then good for that team. If the fans of the REDS aren't bothered enough to vote then its no use crying over the system. Get out there and vote people.

savafan
06-01-2006, 02:44 AM
The all-star game? I didn't know they still played that.

What I'd like to see, and it'll probably never happen, is two all-star games, the mid-season one voted on by the fans, and a post-season game after the World Series with the players chosen by their peers/managers/coaches.

Outshined_One
06-01-2006, 02:59 AM
Anyone else think about the possibility of using fan voting to sabotage the game in favor of the NL?

"Starting at shortstop for the American League...MIGUEL CAIRO!"

KronoRed
06-01-2006, 03:12 AM
Anyone else think about the possibility of using fan voting to sabotage the game in favor of the NL?

"Starting at shortstop for the American League...MIGUEL CAIRO!"
I'd love it :lol:

NastyBoy
06-01-2006, 03:48 AM
Anyone else think about the possibility of using fan voting to sabotage the game in favor of the NL?

"Starting at shortstop for the American League...MIGUEL CAIRO!"

Lets do it... who said stuffing the ballot does not work both ways. Lets compile a list of the suckiest AL players and use our internet votes to help the Redlegs in October! I normally cast 50 votes. I use my personal email (25) and my work email (25), and I can dust the cobwebs off my yahoo email and start a gmail email and there I have 100 votes for MIGUEL CAIRO!

Ofcourse, he has to start the game, but that doesn't mean the AL manager can not take him out in the second innings...