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butlerbulldogs
05-31-2006, 09:28 AM
With Zambrano tonight!~hopefully I am wrong, but with the way our guys our playing, looks highly probable

the guys don't even look like they care :angry:

LincolnparkRed
05-31-2006, 09:36 AM
I will say we have gotten to him both games he has pitched against us this year, but I really thought we would do more against maddux last night so what do I know.

zombie-a-go-go
05-31-2006, 10:46 AM
Oh ye of little faith...

If the Reds can get a run or two off of him early, and they've had success in that vein before IIRC, Zambrano'll go all nutso-crazy, as usual, and the Redlegs'll take the game.

The key to beating Zambrano is keeping your cool. He doesn't bend, only breaks. I think.

dsmith421
05-31-2006, 11:22 AM
the guys don't even look like they care

They are trying, they just stink. In baseball, failure does not equal lack of effort.

M2
05-31-2006, 11:32 AM
I simply refuse to believe the Cubs are good enough to sweep anyone.

BRM
05-31-2006, 11:34 AM
I simply refuse to believe the Cubs are good enough to sweep anyone.

Does refusing to believe something actually work? If so, I refuse to believe Rick White is a horrible pitcher. :p:

pedro
05-31-2006, 11:35 AM
The Reds could easily go out and win 7-5. :)

redsfan30
05-31-2006, 01:48 PM
You simply cannot get swept by this Chicago Cubs team.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 04:18 PM
Getting swept by the cubs would be a sign that it's time to quit for the year

pedro
05-31-2006, 04:46 PM
Getting swept by the cubs would be a sign that it's time to quit for the year

No no no, it would mean that they lost 3 games in a row to a bad team and there are over 100 games left.

redsfan30
05-31-2006, 05:02 PM
Getting swept by the cubs would be a sign that it's time to quit for the year
Time to fold up shop?? No.

Time to seriously look at the composition of this team?? Yes.

Joseph
05-31-2006, 05:14 PM
You simply cannot get swept by this Chicago Cubs team.

I would have also said you cannot lose 2 of 3 to this team either, but they have.

BRM
05-31-2006, 05:16 PM
Does the fact that Milton is starting tonight help or hurt the Reds in avoiding the sweep?

CTA513
05-31-2006, 05:19 PM
Does the fact that Milton is starting tonight help or hurt the Reds in avoiding the sweep?

It all depends on if the Reds offense decides to show up.
After scoring 3 runs yesterday they might be to tired to score today.

;)

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 05:25 PM
I would have also said you cannot lose 2 of 3 to this team either, but they have.

Precisely.

The Cubs are bad, but the Reds will rubbing elbows with them in no time. This isn't last year's great offensive squad anymore; they're a bad pitching team and a mediocre hitting team.

This team has shown its arse; and it ain't pretty. I will be stunned--downright apoplectic--if the Reds win more than last year's 73 wins.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 05:26 PM
No no no, it would mean that they lost 3 games in a row to a bad team and there are over 100 games left.
Realist :p:

butlerbulldogs
05-31-2006, 05:47 PM
They are trying, they just stink. In baseball, failure does not equal lack of effort.


but extra effort, the better the team, they are not putting out solid effort and look to be going through the motions

PuffyPig
05-31-2006, 05:49 PM
While I seen plenty recently to suggest that this team isn't hitting very well right now, there's nothing to suggest that we shouldn't be at least as good as last years hitting team.

We lost Casey. Big deal. EE should be better than Randa. Kearns is hitting better than Pena.

This team is simply too good to continue hitting this poorly.

Or at least I think they are.

LincolnparkRed
05-31-2006, 05:58 PM
I hope I don't have to sit through a sweep tonight. I wound up getting tickets from a former co-worker who is a big cubs fan. So I hope we get the last Friday version of Milton not the Detroit version because I don't think I will be able to take it if they get swept.

westofyou
05-31-2006, 06:05 PM
This isn't last year's great offensive squad anymore; they're a bad pitching team and a mediocre hitting team.

Last May wasn't exactly the 27 Yankees.

.249/.325/.405/.730 - this May
.255/.328/432/.760 - last May

What's the difference?

1 HR less
6 BB less
31 doubles less
.06 less in BA

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 06:09 PM
31 doubles less


There's your tipping point--say hello to the loss of Casey and Randa.

pedro
05-31-2006, 06:19 PM
There's your tipping point--say hello to the loss of Casey and Randa.

Well, while it is true that the Randa / Casey combo attributed for 20 2b's last may and the EE/SH/RA combo has only accounted for 12 this May, that's really not the heart of the problem, it's everyone else. Besides EE is on pace for 50 2B's this year so I'm sure not worried about the loss of 2B's from randa who is puttting up a nifty .559 OPS up in Pittsburgh.

REDREAD
05-31-2006, 06:20 PM
That is pretty amazing that we lost a double per game. I'm not sure how statistically significant that is, but I would've never have guessed that.

westofyou
05-31-2006, 06:20 PM
There's your tipping point--say hello to the loss of Casey and Randa.
The next month they only had 42, last year was the team record in HR's and 2b's, the 2b's are going to be hard to replicate by trading them for bat on the ball, singles hitters. The linchpin isn't trying to recreate a insane month of doubles with this squad, but to turn the singles hitters trips to first into doubles with the steal.

Last years team had 124 doubles on June first, that's darn good. they also had 23 steals, this years team has 99 doubles and 20 more steals. Keep the steals up and you replicate the doubles, put pressure on the defense and all that stuff.

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 06:22 PM
Well, while it is true that the Randa / Casey combo attributed for 20 2b's last may and the EE/SH/RA combo has only accounted for 12 this May, that's really not the heart of the problem, it's everyone else. Besides EE is on pace for 50 2B's this year so I'm sure not worried about the loss of 2B's from randa who is puttting up a nifty .559 OPS up in Pittsburgh.

I don't want Randa back, I'm merely describing what the difference is: contact hitters. And EE has gone 90 North-cold. He'll probably stop sucking, but will maintaining near his current .850 OPS be any different than what Randa gave us last year.

pedro
05-31-2006, 06:23 PM
I don't want Randa back, I'm merely describing what the difference is: contact hitters. And EE has gone 90 North-cold. He'll probably stop sucking, but will maintaining near his current .850 OPS be any different than what Randa gave us last year.

I know you don't want JR back, but I do think it's an upgrade, especially when you consider that JR tanked after the Reds traded him so it was all last gasp mirage anyway.

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 06:23 PM
The next month they only had 42, last year was the team record in HR's and 2b's, the 2b's are going to be hard to replicate by trading them for bat on the ball, singles hitters. The linchpin isn't trying to recreate a insane month of doubles with this squad, but to turn the singles hitters trips to first into doubles with the steal.

Last years team had 124 doubles on June first, that's darn good. they also had 23 steals, this years team has 99 doubles and 20 more steals. Keep the steals up and you replicate the doubles, put pressure on the defense and all that stuff.

Yeah, that steal total is almost totally contingent on Freel being in the lineup. No one else approaches Freel's capability in that department.

pedro
05-31-2006, 06:24 PM
Yeah, that steal total is almost totally contingent on Freel being in the lineup. No one else approaches Freel's capability in that department.


IIRC Lopez has more steals than Freel and a better %.

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 06:26 PM
IIRC Lopez has more steals than Freel and a better %.

My bad.

But is Lopez historically a better stealer? And how many more games has Lopez played in this season?

RedsMan3203
05-31-2006, 06:26 PM
But more importantly for Lopez... Can he hit the broad side of the barn with his throws?

westofyou
05-31-2006, 06:47 PM
Yeah, that steal total is almost totally contingent on Freel being in the lineup. No one else approaches Freel's capability in that department.
Phillips has 10, Freel 11

Freel's been caught 4 times, Phillips none.

butlerbulldogs
05-31-2006, 10:39 PM
HAPPY I WAS WRONG!! looked bleak when we didn't score in the first