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Reds4Life
05-31-2006, 02:26 PM
Per Lance's blog.

www.lance1360homer.com

cumberlandreds
05-31-2006, 02:29 PM
So we still have White and his what could be his twin brother in Yan. Great!:rolleyes:

captainmorgan07
05-31-2006, 02:32 PM
i thought i read that shackleford didn't have any options

registerthis
05-31-2006, 02:33 PM
The first of hopefully many moves over the coming weeks and months to shore up this disaster of a 'pen.

BuckWoody
05-31-2006, 02:34 PM
Rats! :(

They evidently think that White needs more time to adjust and improve now that he's not making the trip down from Springfield every day.

flyer85
05-31-2006, 02:35 PM
i thought i read that shackleford didn't have any optionsthat's how he got to AAA after ST. The option is good for the entire year.

BTW, there was no chance White was going to be the odd man out and I said that last night. I don't think the FO has confidence than Yan is actually better than White so they are in a wait and see mode and can bring in Yan and not actually lose replacement level White.

captainmorgan07
05-31-2006, 02:36 PM
with mercker off the dl yes i kno white is very bad but 3 lefties is one two many especially the way hammond's been pitching

redsmetz
05-31-2006, 02:40 PM
that's how he got to AAA after ST. The option is good for the entire year.

BTW, there was no chance White was going to be the odd man out and I said that last night. I don't think the FO has confidence than Yan is actually better than White so they are in a wait and see mode and can bring in Yan and not actually lose replacement level White.

Likewise from a financial standpoint, if you have two pitchers who are equally weak, do you really jettison the one who you're going to have to pay or the one who is probably on a split contract (and has the options)?

That's not to say White might not get the boot some other time, but right now, this one was a no-brainer.

BuckWoody
05-31-2006, 02:41 PM
with mercker off the dl yes i kno white is very bad but 3 lefties is one two many especially the way hammond's been pitching
Mercker and Hammond have not been very effective this year against lefties at all. Shack has been pretty strong in that capacity.

traderumor
05-31-2006, 02:43 PM
Great, I guess Mercker's latest performances made Shack expendable. So, now who do you bring into get a tough lefty out? Not walk, or give up a homerun to, but out?

flyer85
05-31-2006, 02:43 PM
Mercker and Hammond have not been very effective this year against lefties at all. Shack has been pretty strong in that capacity.although a point others have made is that the Reds really don't have enough quality relievers to make proper use of a LOOGY.

edabbs44
05-31-2006, 02:44 PM
Mercker and Hammond have not been very effective this year against lefties at all. Shack has been pretty strong in that capacity.
Very true. White is an absolute disaster and he brings nothing to the table. Shack can get lefties out and White can get no one out. The bullpen just got a lot worse.

captainmorgan07
05-31-2006, 02:44 PM
so im assuming reading marcs blog that this is the only move for today

Reds Fanatic
05-31-2006, 02:45 PM
Sending Shackelford down is a start but we still have Rick White on the roster. Plus Mercker has been horrible since coming off the DL so the Reds still have a long way to go.

BuckWoody
05-31-2006, 02:57 PM
although a point others have made is that the Reds really don't have enough quality relievers to make proper use of a LOOGY.
I smell what you're cookin'. ;)

Just for grins, here are the splits on all the guys in question here:



Shackelford
SPLIT AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS BAA OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 21 3 0 1 0 2 2 1 5 0 0 .143 .250 .238 .488
vs. Right 18 8 0 0 3 6 4 0 3 0 0 .444 .545 .944 1.490

Mercker
SPLIT AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS BAA OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 21 8 3 0 3 6 2 0 4 0 0 .381 .435 .952 1.387
vs. Right 22 5 2 0 1 5 5 0 4 0 0 .227 .357 .455 .812

Hammond
SPLIT AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS BAA OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 26 8 0 0 2 5 0 0 5 0 0 .308 .308 .538 .846
vs. Right 37 9 2 0 0 1 3 0 11 0 0 .243 .300 .297 .597

White
SPLIT AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS BAA OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 27 8 2 1 2 7 0 0 6 0 0 .296 .296 .667 .963
vs. Right 61 23 3 0 2 14 3 1 8 1 0 .377 .409 .525 .934

Yan
SPLIT AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS BAA OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 32 11 2 0 3 15 9 0 6 1 1 .344 .476 .688 1.164
vs. Right 50 8 3 0 1 6 4 1 10 1 0 .160 .236 .280 .516


Shack was definitley having a good year against the lefties and there is no way we want the game on the line with Esteban facing a lefty. :eek: Maybe he can be a ROOGY. :)

flyer85
05-31-2006, 03:01 PM
Shack was definitley having a good year against the lefties and there is no way we want the game on the line with Esteban facing a lefty. :eek: Maybe he can be a ROOGY. :)That only works if you keep Shack around to get the LH hitter out that you don't want Yan to face or vice versa. In addition, you have to have a manager willing to use them in the proper manner (like Larussa) but Narron has shown little feel for using multiple relievers to get through an inning without there being any trouble.

smith288
05-31-2006, 03:07 PM
Holy CRAP Merker is sucking it up against lefties...

edabbs44
05-31-2006, 03:24 PM
White against righties might be the 2nd funniest stat line ever. 1st place goes the 2006 version of Mike Burns vs. righties (19 hits in 35 ABs) and a 1.286 OPS.

TRF
05-31-2006, 03:40 PM
Hammond and now Yan have pretty sick numbers against RH, Mercker hasn't bounced back, White is a waste of roster space, and Shack has DOMINATED LH hitters.

Yeah, keeping White over Shack makes a ton of sense.

jimbo
05-31-2006, 03:44 PM
As far as Hammond's stats against lefties goes, I wonder how many of those hits were during the first two week stretch when he was getting rocked? He has been pretty much lights out since and I think he is one of the more effective relievers on the roster at this point.

Doc. Scott
05-31-2006, 04:43 PM
Mercker's guaranteed $1.55 million. Shack isn't. And this is Brian's third and final option year, if I'm not mistaken.

Danny Serafini
05-31-2006, 04:48 PM
The Reds just put him on the 40 man last year, was he on someone else's 40 man before?

Heath
05-31-2006, 05:13 PM
Holy CRAP Merker is sucking it up against lefties...


You can pretty much drop the last two words on that sentence.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 05:22 PM
Most of the pen needs to go, but with nobody to replace them it's not worth the effort.

Yan?

membengal
05-31-2006, 05:51 PM
Say! NOW with shack gone, the winning can begin anew! CLEARLY he was the problem!