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reds44
05-31-2006, 06:28 PM
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http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/100x100/cin.gif @ http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/100x100/chc.gif
Reds (28-24, L2) @ Cubs (20-31, W2)

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/mlb/132980.jpg vs. http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/mlb/407296.jpg
Milton (2-2, 5.52 ERA) @ Zambrano (3-2, 3.45 ERA)

Eric Milton will look to repeat his last pitching performance to help the Reds avoid a sweep by the Cubs at Wrigley Field on Wednesday.
Milton looked strong in his last start for the first time since his knee surgery, giving up one run on three hits over eight innings against Arizona on Friday. Milton walked none and struck out nine.

"He looked confident, he was aggressive [and] his location was pretty good," Reds catcher Javier Valentin said after Milton's last outing. "He was outstanding. He gave us an opportunity to win."

After a solid start to the season, Milton gave up nine runs in 4 1/3 innings against the Florida Marlins on April 18. That was Milton's last start before having arthroscopic surgery on his knee that kept him out for more than a month.

Milton struggled again on his return from the disabled list, giving up five runs on 10 hits to the Detroit Tigers on May 20.

But Milton will look to build off his most recent start to help the Reds avoid their first three-game sweep by the Cubs since May 28-30, 2001.

Pitching matchup
CIN: LHP Eric Milton (2-2, 5.52 ERA)
In his second start since coming off the disabled list, Milton was brilliant against the D-Backs over eight innings despite suffering the loss.

CHI: RHP Carlos Zambrano (3-2, 3.45 ERA)
Zambrano carried a no-hitter into the seventh inning of his last start. He's pitched with some tough luck this season, but has also been uncharacteristically wild in recent outings.

Player to watch
Adam Dunn is 3-for-5 this season against Zambrano with two homers and three RBIs.


On the Internet
MLB.TV
Gameday Audio
Gameday
Official game notes

On television
FSN Ohio

On radio
WLW 700 AM

Up next
Friday: Reds (RHP Aaron Harang, 5-4, 3.70) at Houston (LHP Wandy Rodriguez, 6-2, 3.95), 8:05 p.m. ET.
Saturday: Reds (RHP Bronson Arroyo, 6-2, 2.58) at Houston (RHP Fernando Nieve, 1-3, 5.36), 7:05 p.m. ET
Sunday: Reds (RHP Elizardo Ramirez, 2-4, 4.11) at Houston (RHP Roy Oswalt, 5-3, 3.11), 2:05 p.m. ET

Ryan Crawford is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Wrigley Field:
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Reds:
Freel
Lopez
Griffey
Dunn
Kearns
Hate
EE
LaRue
Milton

Pierre
Perez
barrett
Ramirez
Walker
murton
Joens
Cedeno
Zambrano

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 07:19 PM
Cincinnati Reds

R Freel 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252 .370 .331
F Lopez SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290 .371 .405
K Griffey Jr. CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .248 .296 .467
A Dunn LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .236 .378 .573
A Kearns RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286 .358 .516
S Hatteberg 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .282 .392 .427
E Encarnacion 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262 .361 .470
J LaRue C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .194 .306 .347
E Milton P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222 .222 .556






Chicago Cubs

J Pierre CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .235 .272 .305
N Perez 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .204 .227 .269
M Barrett C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285 .344 .500
A Ramirez 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244 .313 .466
T Walker 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .317 .391 .437
M Murton LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .287 .365 .414
J Jones RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .279 .317 .481
R Cedeno SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289 .314 .378
C Zambrano P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .048 .048 .048

Reds Fanatic
05-31-2006, 07:19 PM
Starting Lineups:


Reds (28 - 24)
2nd in NL Central
Cubs (20 - 31)
5th in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, 2B .252 1 7 11
2. F Lopez, SS .290 5 19 16
3. K Griffey Jr., CF .248 6 26 0
4. A Dunn, LF .236 17 32 1
5. A Kearns, RF .286 10 32 2
6. S Hatteberg, 1B .282 3 11 0
7. E Encarnacion, 3B .262 6 30 0
8. J LaRue, C .194 3 9 0
9. E Milton, P .222 0 0 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. J Pierre, CF .235 0 4 16
2. N Perez, 2B .204 0 11 0
3. M Barrett, C .285 6 24 0
4. A Ramirez, 3B .244 9 25 1
5. T Walker, 1B .317 3 26 0
6. M Murton, LF .287 4 20 2
7. J Jones, RF .279 8 26 0
8. R Cedeno, SS .289 1 14 5
9. C Zambrano, P .048 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
E Milton 2 2 5.52 1.32 24

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
C Zambrano 3 2 3.45 1.36 79

reds44
05-31-2006, 07:20 PM
lineups posted

TeamBoone
05-31-2006, 07:21 PM
I like the lineup.... isn't this the one used most frequently during April, or at least close to it? Except for LaRue, I guess.

Man oh man, do I want to see a Reds win tonight... big time. I hope they mess with Zambrano's head from the get go... and it doesn't take much to do that.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 07:24 PM
Is it time to bring back the "Milton Meter" this season?

Eric Milton + Wrigley Field + Reds Batting Slump = :help:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 07:26 PM
He Hate ME is playing??

;)

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 07:27 PM
I was just wondering if someone could post the lineups...

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 07:27 PM
Glad to see Narron not panicking and putting Hat and Rich in 3 and 4.

RedsMan3203
05-31-2006, 07:34 PM
EE in the starting line up... :beerme:

realreds1
05-31-2006, 07:37 PM
Fark a lark! Somebuddy get on a roll tonight!

reds44
05-31-2006, 07:39 PM
lol fark a lark?

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 07:40 PM
Anyone ever notice the outfield diagram for Wrigley looks like a wave sign? :D

realreds1
05-31-2006, 07:52 PM
Anyone ever notice the outfield diagram for Wrigley looks like a wave sign? :D

It also looks like a Cubby fan's beer belly.

realreds1
05-31-2006, 07:53 PM
lol fark a lark?

Lark farkin', baby! Somebody gotta roll it tonight! :beerme:

gm
05-31-2006, 07:54 PM
Anyone ever notice the outfield diagram for Wrigley looks like a wave sign? :D

I see McClellan oscillators everywhere

http://www.superbtrade.com/FL-McClellanOscillator.aspx

George Foster
05-31-2006, 07:56 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but did Milton pick up his first win of the year at Chicago?

reds44
05-31-2006, 07:58 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but did Milton pick up his first win of the year at Chicago?
2nd I think.

I was there. :D

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:00 PM
2nd I think.

I was there. :D

thanks, I thought he pitched like 6 and 1/3 innings giving up 3 runs, got out of some early trouble.

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 08:00 PM
Yea pretty sure he did.. i'll look at my spreadsheet :)

Nope he beat the pirates on April 7th, then the Cubbies on the 13th.


its on WGN .....YAY......

Gallen5862
05-31-2006, 08:01 PM
This is the first chance I have been able to see the Reds on tv in well over a month. I hope it brings us luck.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:03 PM
This is the first chance I have been able to see the Reds on tv in well over a month. I hope it brings us luck.

I hope you enjoy the game...I actually thought I would not watch the game on TV Tonight to change the Reds Luck...I promise I really thought that....are we desperate or what?

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:04 PM
Cool evening, wind blowing IN from Lake Michigan.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:06 PM
I see McClellan oscillators everywhere

I'd get that checked

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:08 PM
Freel singles to right and the offensive resurgence begins

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:08 PM
Lopez with a productive at bat...

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 08:09 PM
NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

1st and 3rd :)

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:10 PM
The Cubs "Cub up" another play...Freel gets to third

MrCinatit
05-31-2006, 08:10 PM
Wow...what in the world was Ronnie Cedeno thinking on that throw? That Berry would catch it for him?

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:10 PM
I like when the other team gives away outs

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 08:11 PM
Ump has a big strikezone tonight (as usual).

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 08:11 PM
even niccccccccccceeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dunn walks bases juiced :)

Gallen5862
05-31-2006, 08:12 PM
Bases are loaded on a walk by Dunn.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:12 PM
Is Kearns due for a big hit or what?

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 08:12 PM
Dang i wish Ears got ahold of that.. what a MONSTER swing lol

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:12 PM
Ump has a big strikezone tonight (as usual).


As long as he's consistant, he'll get no complaints from me.

kbrake
05-31-2006, 08:12 PM
This whole team is due for a big hit.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:13 PM
Is this clutch? :D

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 08:13 PM
lol........EARS got handled :(

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:13 PM
Right now, Kearns couldn't hit a basketball

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:13 PM
Is Kearns due for a big hit or what?

is this possible, night after night?

remdog
05-31-2006, 08:13 PM
The 3 strikes to Lopez were all in the same place so ya' can't complain about that.

Rem

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
wow.. no way that was a strike

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
wow.. no way that was a strike

Hatteberg agrees

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
Kearns looks tired. At the end of May. That's what I mean when I say "old player skills."

kbrake
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
So much for the consistent part.

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
This umpire is every bit as bad as Sunday's ump.

Wow. Those pitches are eight inches outside.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
Holy smokes batman, I can actually watch a reds game since they're finally showing it on WGN..

I see the ump is already calling fastballs 6" off the plate for strikes.

kbrake
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
That was fun.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
Yikes.

Not too bad, they gave us extra outs.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:15 PM
This umpire is every bit as bad as Sunday's ump.

Wow. Those pitches are eight inches outside.

Haha.. no doubt. Umpiring has been deplorable all year long.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:15 PM
Wow...what a wasted inning.

Can't let Zambrano get comfortable.

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 08:15 PM
As long as he's consistant, he'll get no complaints from me.

Home plate is there for a reason - they need to use it properly. If MLB wanted a bigger strikezone then they should have made the plate bigger.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:16 PM
Soooo....we still making the argument that Kearns is a good hitter w/RISP? Still the company line?

This team is LOUSY. CHI can't even force these guys to score.

MrCinatit
05-31-2006, 08:16 PM
I really think there should be a stat for failing to move a runner on third with less than two outs - consistently not being able to even touching the ball (aka, strikout) is inexcusable in that type of situation.

CTA513
05-31-2006, 08:16 PM
If Milton doesnt get those calls Narron better flip out on that ump.

remdog
05-31-2006, 08:16 PM
Holy smokes batman, I can actually watch a reds game since they're finally showing it on WGN..

I see the ump is already calling fastballs 6" off the plate for strikes.

As long as he calls it for both sides it's OK. If he's just giving Zambrano that pitch then that's bad. We'll see. Reds are going to have to adjust to it if the ump is going to call that all night.

Rem

Gallen5862
05-31-2006, 08:17 PM
Well at least Zambrano had to throw alot of pitches that inning.

TeamBoone
05-31-2006, 08:17 PM
I see the ump is already calling fastballs 6" off the plate for strikes.

I hope he offers Milton the same courtesy.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:17 PM
Kearns looks tired. At the end of May. That's what I mean when I say "old player skills."

Old player skills?


Old Player Skills: this term was coined by Bill James. It refers to skills that old players often have: power, patience, low batting averages.

I dont think that defines Austin Kearns.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:17 PM
Home plate is there for a reason - they need to use it properly. If MLB wanted a bigger strikezone then they should have made the plate bigger.

I agree, but as long as the strike zone is equal for both pitchers, I can live with it.

This season though, it hasn't been the case, which has been very irritating to watch (among other things).

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 08:17 PM
As long as he calls it for both sides it's OK. If he's just giving Zambrano that pitch then that's bad. We'll see. Reds are going to have to adjust to it if the ump is going to call that all night.

Rem

Zambrano is a much better pitcher than Milton, so that means he won't get the same calls. That's how MLB umpires are.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:18 PM
Well at least Zambrano had to throw alot of pitches that inning.
With Dusty it doesn't matter, he'll be throwing 150 if needed.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:18 PM
and....CHI already has a baserunner.

Their leadoff guy reached with a single, same way ours did.

Let's see how they execute. Cubs gave us 4 outs to move Freel home and we could not.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
As long as he calls it for both sides it's OK. If he's just giving Zambrano that pitch then that's bad. We'll see. Reds are going to have to adjust to it if the ump is going to call that all night.

Rem

Ugh, and I think this is exactly whats gotten the Reds in trouble in May... trying to adjust to the umps zone..

BS

TeamBoone
05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
I really think there should be a stat for failing to move a runner on third with less than two outs - consistently not being able to even touching the ball (aka, strikout) is inexcusable in that type of situation.

It doesn't help with the ump calling balls strikes... most of our guys are pretty good at working the count as long as they don't have to swing at balls all night because the umpire is screwing them.

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
Soooo....we still making the argument that Kearns is a good hitter w/RISP? Still the company line?



The stats are what they are. He's been great this year with 2 outs and RISP, mediocre with less than 2 outs and RISP.

Although he hasn't delivered the last fews nights, neither has anyone else.

In a nutshell Austin Kerans isn't this teams problem.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
Have the cubs run out a lineup with both Perez and Womack?

I think the OBP would be in the negative if they did ;)

BoydsOfSummer
05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
What is Neifi doing backing out of the box? He should be standing on the plate hoping to get hit.

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
Marty says Joe is doing better.

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:20 PM
Oh, and Zambrono has chunks of RH hitters in his stool.

.145/.248/.297/.546

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:21 PM
It does look to me like Kearns is trying to swing too hard lately though.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:21 PM
The stats are what they are. He's been great this year with 2 outs and RISP, mediocre with less than 2 outs and RISP.

Although he hasn't delivered the last fews nights, neither has anyone else.

In a nutshell Austin Kerans isn't this teams problem.

Those stats to which you constantly refer are shrinking by the night.

In the last few weeks, AK has CONSISTENTLY failed to produce w/RISP, oftentimes not even making contact. That 0-2 slider he whiffed on is one of the fattest pitches I've seen in some time.

So while AK is certainly not our only problem, he definitely IS a problem.

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 08:21 PM
Old player skills?



I dont think that defines Austin Kearns.

Well, I was kind of goofing on the James term, implying that he plays like a worn-out old man, such as me.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:22 PM
geez how many pitches was that at-bat?

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:22 PM
It does look to me like Kearns is trying to swing too hard lately though.

He looks that way all the time to me?!?

MrCinatit
05-31-2006, 08:22 PM
Marty says Joe is doing better.

Excellent, excellent, excellent news.
I know many of us are sending our well-wishes to the Old Left Hander.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:23 PM
Milton around 89-90 tonight. Probably not good news.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:23 PM
Well, I was kind of goofing on the James term, implying that he plays like a worn-out old man, such as me.

LOL

zing.. right over my head :) Ol man Kearns better get the bat going eh?

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:23 PM
He looks that way all the time to me?!?

Maybe it just looks more so when he misses.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:24 PM
2 down...Pierre still at first.

CrackerJack
05-31-2006, 08:24 PM
Ugh, and I think this is exactly whats gotten the Reds in trouble in May... trying to adjust to the umps zone..

BS


Really? The umps? I would say bad pitching, hitting and defense. Nothing to do with the umps ultimately.

Gallen5862
05-31-2006, 08:25 PM
Milton gets out of trouble.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:25 PM
On to the 2nd.

Wind is our ally.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:25 PM
Geez...did Milty ever groove that one.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:25 PM
Milton out of the inning with 1 hit... his pitches looked pretty solid IMO.. might not have the velocity, but I liked where he was commanding them. Lets hope he keeps it up.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:25 PM
How was that a 1st inning rally by the Cubs as stated by Grande?? What a tool!

MrCinatit
05-31-2006, 08:25 PM
Hate to be repetetive...but "...At the warning track"???
Kearns took about three steps back for that one, George. It was not at the warning track, unless the warning track now conists of 10 feet of grass :p:

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:26 PM
Those stats to which you constantly refer are shrinking by the night.

In the last few weeks, AK has CONSISTENTLY failed to produce w/RISP, oftentimes not even making contact. That 0-2 slider he whiffed on is one of the fattest pitches I've seen in some time.

So while AK is certainly not our only problem, he definitely IS a problem.


That's what happens when players slump. The truth will be in whether he bounces back or not. That remains to be seen.

I wouldn't call that pitch fat either.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 08:26 PM
Hallmark #1 of Reds Slump: Lack of patience at the plate.

Hallmark #2 of Reds Slump: Wasting scoring opportunities.

Two for two tonight.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:26 PM
Really? The umps? I would say bad pitching, hitting and defense. Nothing to do with the umps ultimately.

Its not the only reason.. but offensive woes? I think the Reds are being less patient, becuase they know there getting balls 6" off the plate called as strikes, and are therefore chasing them.

So, bad hitting.. yes. Just my opinion though, I have no factual data to back this up. :p:

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 08:27 PM
Hate to be repetetive...but "...At the warning track"???
Kearns took about three steps back for that one, George. It was not at the warning track, unless the warning track now conists of 10 feet of grass :p:

It's the "forewarning" track--*for all those grammar geeks on the non-BB board.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:27 PM
Reds complaining about the strike zone.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:29 PM
Wow, LaRue, pulled the ball...not seen that in a while

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:29 PM
3 ground outs and the Reds are done in the 2nd.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:31 PM
1st time through the line-up and no one really hit the ball hard except for maybe Freel...not good.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:31 PM
This Grande guy cannot possibly be as bad as you all make him out to be.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:32 PM
This Grande guy cannot possibly be as bad as you all make him out to be.
Never heard him?

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:32 PM
Milton's stuff just looks pedestrian tonight.

That'll probably be an ironic statement when we see how many walks he issues.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:33 PM
Never heard him?

No...I haven't heard a Reds broadcast for years. Don't get WLW down here in FL.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:33 PM
This Grande guy cannot possibly be as bad as you all make him out to be.

If you are at a single's bar trying to meet some ladies....don't take Grande.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:33 PM
No...I haven't heard a Reds broadcast for years. Don't get WLW down here in FL.
He's on FSN Ohio.

He's something.

Another flyout.

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:34 PM
This Grande guy cannot possibly be as bad as you all make him out to be.

You'd be surprised. I ride Marty as much as anyone on this board and lately I'd just as soon listen to the rdaio than watch a game if the Reds announcers are on. Of course, that might have something to do with not wanting to watch this travesty in action.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:34 PM
So he's a TV guy and not a radio guy??

SandyD
05-31-2006, 08:34 PM
Hallmark #1 of Reds Slump: Lack of patience at the plate.

Hallmark #2 of Reds Slump: Wasting scoring opportunities.

Two for two tonight.

Hallmarks of pretty much all slumps.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:35 PM
So he's a TV guy and not a radio guy??
Yeah, he and the craty left hander in Welsh

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:35 PM
So he's a TV guy and not a radio guy??

Yup. he's the guy that looks like Charlie Brown with hair.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:35 PM
Esteban Yan wears a size 54 jersey!!

Rick Stowe was having trouble finding a uniform for this guy.

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:36 PM
Hal says Yan's jersey is Calvin Pickering size. Size 54. They didn't have to make him custom pants though.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:36 PM
So he's a TV guy and not a radio guy??

The best way I can explain it to you is he is a walking, talking, character from "Saturday Night Live."

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:36 PM
Well that's something for Yan then :D

SandyD
05-31-2006, 08:36 PM
It's the "forewarning" track--*for all those grammar geeks on the non-BB board.

:lol:

Like you sig, btw. What's that from? Ever read "Becoming William James"? Sort of a bio of his early life? Some family, the Jameses.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:37 PM
I'm moving to Gainesville in 3 days w/the woman. Think I can talk her into getting MLB Ticket. I'm almost looking forward to finally experiencing George Grande more than I am to seeing the Reds every night. Actually...considering the way the Reds are playing, there's no question about it.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:37 PM
A ground out! shocking..on to the 3rd

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 08:37 PM
So he's a TV guy and not a radio guy??

Yep.

His claim to fame is that he was the anchor on the very first telecast of SportsCenter on ESPN. Actually, he is quite good at being a sports anchor. But IMO he leaves a lot to be desired as a Reds play-by-play man.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:37 PM
Milton has retired 6 in a row!

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:37 PM
yeah, that was a good one FCB.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:38 PM
What nationality is Yan? It can't be Asian with that first name.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:39 PM
Well...I finally saw the "multi-tasking" commercial. FSN Florida carries the Marlins in this area, and they run those same awful commercials.

You all were right about multi-tasking - sure you're right about Grande as well.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:39 PM
What nationality is Yan? It can't be Asian with that first name.
Dominican Republic

CrackerJack
05-31-2006, 08:39 PM
This Grande guy cannot possibly be as bad as you all make him out to be.

Move to Ohio, and listen to him for 5+ years...you will be one of us.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
Esteban Yan wears a size 54 jersey!!

Rick Stowe was having trouble finding a uniform for this guy.

I can't see why that is such a problem. I have to think that guys like Adam Dunn, Aaron Harang, or Rick White have to wear close to a size 54. (When I was coaching high-school ball last year, I wore a size 52, and those guys are bigger than I am!)

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
We're struggling bad enough w/o Zambrano getting an extra 3 inches on the outside part of the plate.

Nugget
05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
I believe he is a Dominican by nationality as to his heritage I can cast no aspersions.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
Wow, the ump is horribly inconsistent.

I dont know why thats surprising tho.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
Come on Lopez..that was in the dirt

2 down

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:40 PM
Lopez has no clue tonight!

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 08:41 PM
Again, Lopez starts an AB by looking at 2 strikes.

He does that an awful lot and needs to stop.

cincyinco
05-31-2006, 08:41 PM
Jr pulls one just foul.. that had some oomph behind it though..

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:41 PM
I can't see why that is such a problem. I have to think that guys like Adam Dunn, Aaron Harang, or Rick White have to wear close to a size 54. (When I was coaching high-school ball last year, I wore a size 52, and those guys are bigger than I am!)

Wow you are the Big Klu!!:laugh:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:42 PM
JR K's on ball 4, 3 down.

On we roll.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 08:43 PM
Wow you are the Big Klu!!:laugh:

And don't you forget it! :D

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:47 PM
3 up 3 down for the Milton

On to the 4th

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:48 PM
Not to depress anyone, but In the last 6 games, we have only led, during the game, those 4 innings lastnight.:help:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:52 PM
Kearns also swings at ball 4 :dunno:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:55 PM
EE with an infield single :clap:

Cyclone792
05-31-2006, 08:58 PM
Excellent baserunning by Hatteberg right there to take third on EE's infield single. Ramirez picked it deep behind the third base bag and tried to throw out EE at first, but Aramis didn't get back to the bag at third and Hatteberg slid in safely since nobody was covering.

And LaRue strikes out to end the inning anyway.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 08:58 PM
LaRue is now batting a buck...??????

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 08:58 PM
Why are the Reds paying Larue?

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 08:58 PM
ho hum....more suckitude.

pedro
05-31-2006, 08:58 PM
Larue now oh for his last 18. He's really struggling.

NC Reds
05-31-2006, 08:58 PM
This is depressing. :bang:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 08:59 PM
Doing well on getting them on :D

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 08:59 PM
Paging Mr. Mendoza -- you have a call from a Mr. LaRue on line 1.

CTA513
05-31-2006, 08:59 PM
The Reds might have a better chance stealing home than getting a hit with a runner on 3rd.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 09:02 PM
Statement: Jason LaRue's struggles are based, in part, on the fact that he's involved with a 3 person platoon that has limited his ABs and made it difficult for him to get into any sort of groove.

Discuss.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:02 PM
It was DanO who signed Larue to that crazy contract, wasn't it?

He's not worth my shoes at this rate...

NC Reds
05-31-2006, 09:03 PM
Dumatrait isn't having a good night either in AA. Bailey was not good in his last start. There is a serious shortage in good news right now.

Maybe the draft will go well next week.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:03 PM
Statement: Jason LaRue's struggles are based, in part, on the fact that he's involved with a 3 person platoon that has limited his ABs and made it difficult for him to get into any sort of groove.

Discuss.
I agree with said statement, and would suggest that 3 catchers is a bad idea all the way around.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:04 PM
At what point to you set LaRue for an extended period of time and see what Ross can do for a stright week?

pedro
05-31-2006, 09:04 PM
really is such a shame to be wasting the alnmost decent SP the Reds have gotten this month.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:04 PM
Statement: Jason LaRue's struggles are based, in part, on the fact that he's involved with a 3 person platoon that has limited his ABs and made it difficult for him to get into any sort of groove.

Discuss.

David Ross says hi....

Falls City Beer
05-31-2006, 09:05 PM
3 catchers. 12 pitchers.

:nono:

NC Reds
05-31-2006, 09:05 PM
I agree that Larue's problems are traceable to lack of consistent playing time. He is a streak hitter that is not getting in enough games consecutively to have a streak.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:05 PM
Statement: Jason LaRue's struggles are based, in part, on the fact that he's involved with a 3 person platoon that has limited his ABs and made it difficult for him to get into any sort of groove.

Discuss.

I think that there is something to that. LaRue has always been a streaky hitter, but in the past he has always gotten regular at-bats to work out of his down cycles.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:05 PM
Statement: Jason LaRue's struggles are based, in part, on the fact that he's involved with a 3 person platoon that has limited his ABs and made it difficult for him to get into any sort of groove.

Discuss.

I don't remember Jason ever being in a real groove at the plate.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:05 PM
Krivsky should not have brought Ross in if he wasn't going to deal someone else off (Valentin)

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:06 PM
3 catchers. 12 pitchers.

:nono:


Especially the 12 pitchers! :bang:

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:06 PM
Krivsky should not have brought Ross in if he wasn't going to deal someone else off (Valentin)

He may be trying. I would be surprised if he's NOT trying.

Cyclone792
05-31-2006, 09:06 PM
Statement: Jason LaRue's struggles are based, in part, on the fact that he's involved with a 3 person platoon that has limited his ABs and made it difficult for him to get into any sort of groove.

Discuss.

I think that statement does have merit to some degree.

Other factors to consider: 1) LaRue's BABIP so far this season is .220, which is considerably lower than his lifetime BABIP of .304, and 2) LaRue's Predicted OPS is .870, which is 217 points higher than his actual OPS.

Just plain ole bad luck has probably got something to do with his struggles too, I think.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:07 PM
really is such a shame to be wasting the alnmost decent SP the Reds have gotten this month.

We should be at the very worse 10 or 11 games over .500 with our SP this month.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:07 PM
It's been 1 month, something should be done by now.

pedro
05-31-2006, 09:07 PM
At what point to you set LaRue for an extended period of time and see what Ross can do for a stright week?

or sit Ross and Valentin and let Larue get into a groove?

Sad as it may be, even with his current struggles, don't fool yourself into thinking Ross is any kind of long term solution for replacing Larue. Valentin sure isn't either.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:07 PM
Deal LaRue or Javy and lets see what Ross can do as a full-timer.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 09:07 PM
David Ross says hi....

Dave Ross also had a full spring training and experience at being an exclusively bench player vs. LaRue coming off an injury and now dealing with reduced playing time to an even greater extent than he had last year with the 2 catcher platoon.

Just throwing darts out there -- I know LaRue is a better player than he's showed and I'm genuinely curious why he's been doing so poorly.

pedro
05-31-2006, 09:09 PM
Dave Ross also had a full spring training and experience at being an exclusively bench player vs. LaRue coming off an injury and now dealing with reduced playing time to an even greater extent than he had last year with the 2 catcher platoon.

Just throwing darts out there -- I know LaRue is a better player than he's showed and I'm genuinely curious why he's been doing so poorly.

I'd say it has something to do with sliders in the dirt.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:09 PM
Hell...call up Denorfia and have him don the Tools of Ignorance.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:09 PM
On the other hand, LaRue is nowhere near as bad as Henry Blanco for the Cubs. If I were Dusty, I would seriously consider batting my pitcher 8th when Blanco starts behind the plate. Maddux, Wood, and Zambrano are all better hitters than Blanco!

pedro
05-31-2006, 09:10 PM
Deal LaRue or Javy and lets see what Ross can do as a full-timer.


I'm pretty sure OPS'ing around .580 is what he'd do in a full time role.

I like him as a back up though.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:10 PM
The Cubs have all seen Milty now...really expect them to get some good swings off against him.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:11 PM
Deal LaRue or Javy and lets see what Ross can do as a full-timer.

If anybody wants Jason's contract...you can have it.

pedro
05-31-2006, 09:11 PM
Pete called Marty twice today to check on Joe.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:11 PM
Ross as a FT starter is asking for trouble.

Cyclone792
05-31-2006, 09:11 PM
More LaRue figures ...

2005 BB%: 10.2 percent
2006 BB%: 11.1 percent

2005 K%: 28.0 percent
2006 K%: 26.4 percent

2005 LD%: 22.5 percent
2006 LD%: 22.2 percent

2005 FB%: 36.3 percent
2006 FB%: 35.2 percent

2005 GB%: 41.2 percent
2006 GB%: 42.6 percent

The more I see those stats above, the more I'm inclined to believe that LaRue's just suffering from some horrid bad luck right now. When the bounces start falling his way, I expect he'll bounce back and give us what we expect out of him. When the bounces aren't going his way, it's just ugly to watch.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 09:11 PM
The Cubs have all seen Milty now...really expect them to get some good swings off against him.

Didn't seem to help Arizona last time around -- knock on wood.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:12 PM
Didn't seem to help whoever Milty faced last time around -- knock on wood.

I think you mean Arizona? :)

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:13 PM
Pete called Marty twice today to check on Joe.



He's got $100 on a full recovery.
















And that was just wrong. :evil:

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:13 PM
shhhhh....Milton's pitching pretty good.....don't tell anybody.

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 09:13 PM
Pray that Milton can string together a few good start in a row and maybe some team will come along and take him off our hands.

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 09:14 PM
I think you mean Arizona? :)

Yeah, I got tongue tied -- I wanted to say Detroit, but I knew that was wrong. I'm sitting in a Contract Law BAR/BRI course and it's numbing my mind.

pedro
05-31-2006, 09:15 PM
I think from the way Valentin has played this year we shoudl all be wary of small sample sizes and career years from journeymen.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:15 PM
Pray that Milton can string together a few good start in a row and maybe some team will come along and take him off our hands.

And then Billy Hatcher can have his old uniform number #22 back! :D

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:16 PM
Yeah, I got tongue tied -- I wanted to say Detroit, but I knew that was wrong. I'm sitting in a Contract Law BAR/BRI course and it's numbing my mind.
Write some new Deno facts.;)

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:16 PM
JR homers to right

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:16 PM
Home Run Griffey!

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:17 PM
:griffey:

:jump:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:17 PM
Right after the TV guys saying he should bunt ;)

remdog
05-31-2006, 09:17 PM
Interesting that the Cubs are talking about Nevin as the emergency catcher. The Reds have Hatteberg that could do the same thing. Deal either Javy or Ross get another bat for the bench and let LaRue start 6 games a week.

Rem

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:17 PM
Pete called Marty twice today to check on Joe.

Pete has Marty's cell number?? I would not want my cell number in Pete's phone memory. Could get a late night visit by someone you don't want to talk to.:laugh:

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:17 PM
Denorfia's would have gone out of the ballpark...

:evil:

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Adam Dunn - 175
10. Wally Post - 172
11. Gus Bell - 160
12. Joe Morgan - 152
12. Pete Rose - 152
14. Lee May - 147
15. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 145
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Looked fair.

remdog
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Right after the TV guys saying he should bunt ;)

Yeah, I was laughing at that too. :laugh: Stopped him right in mid-sentance. :)

Rem

Caveat Emperor
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Denorfia's would have gone out of the ballpark...

:evil:

He's Tom Emanski good. :devil:

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Best swing by Griffey in a couple of days!! Good for us!!

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 09:19 PM
That hit by Dunn looked fair. Should have been a double.

Then he swung at balls 4 and 5.

TeamBoone
05-31-2006, 09:20 PM
That ball Dunn hit sure as heck looked fair to me. As it happened, I thought it hit the line... on the replay, it looked like it hit just inside the line.

TV guys just said it didn't miss by much (after the replay). Glasses guys, glasses!

Bummer.

VR
05-31-2006, 09:20 PM
Weird seeing Dunn groundout to the left side.

CTA513
05-31-2006, 09:20 PM
Umps make another bad call on Dunns bloop hit that landed on the line.

:/

reds44
05-31-2006, 09:20 PM
Thank God for Junior.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:21 PM
Kearns walks.

This game isn't real.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:21 PM
Dunn's ball was fair.

flyer85
05-31-2006, 09:22 PM
Weird seeing Dunn groundout to the left side.kinda amusing that he hit right at the only guy on that side of the infield

vaticanplum
05-31-2006, 09:22 PM
Sweet, I see the crazy creeping into Zambrano's eyes.

CTA513
05-31-2006, 09:22 PM
JR homers to right

Umps just had a meeting and ruled it a double.

;)

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:22 PM
Ump was shocked to see the opposite field Dunn and called it foul out of habit

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:23 PM
Chris Denorfia would have moved the chalkline 3 inches.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:23 PM
Nice break there on the high-chopper from He Hatte Me.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:23 PM
Am I asking too much for some clutch hitting now?

vaticanplum
05-31-2006, 09:23 PM
Hatteman!!!

Walker fumbles, Kearns at third

reds44
05-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Let's see if EE can be clutch here like he was in April.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Hatteberg is having a good game so far.

OnBaseMachine
05-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Offense is waking up. This could have been a huge inning if the 3B ump had a better pair of glasses.

vaticanplum
05-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Meeting at crazy mound.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Believe LaUseless is up now, so clutch hitting is out of the question.

WebScorpion
05-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Sweet, I see the crazy creeping into Zambrano's eyes.

I see 90+ pitches creeping into his arm :D

Cyclone792
05-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Big time infield hit right there.

Hatteberg chops one down towards first, it bounces high and deflects off Walker's glove into a sort of no man's land for a second, and that enables Kearns to roll on to third.

We need to capitalize.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:25 PM
Yeah....Zambrano's done.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:25 PM
The crazy one is coming unglued

reds44
05-31-2006, 09:25 PM
That'll help out the OBP.

LaRue is up however.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:25 PM
Believe LaUseless is up now, so clutch hitting is out of the question.

Not hitting into a DP would be clutch for him :devil:

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:25 PM
That was on purpose...I would want to pitch to LaRue

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:25 PM
Zambrano is walking the ragged edge now. A timely hit by LaRue will send him off the deep end.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:26 PM
2-0 on the productive out

reds44
05-31-2006, 09:26 PM
At least he got an RBI.

2-0

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:26 PM
LaUseless tried his best to ground into an inning-ending DP, but Zammy would not cooperate.

Still score a run...2-0 good guys.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:26 PM
A clutch out.

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:26 PM
Was that a fielders choice or RBI?

VR
05-31-2006, 09:27 PM
shhhhh....Milton's pitching pretty good.....don't tell anybody.

Take out his debacle on April 18th before he had surgery....and he's got a 2.84 earnie on the year.

Now, that's not reason to get overly optimistic.....but IF he could pitch in the 4-5 era range, what a plus that would be (and maybe make him attractive to a trade suitor? :-) )

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 09:27 PM
Scored an RBI :)

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:27 PM
Was that a fielders choice or RBI?

RBI ground out, 1-3 on the putout.

GridironGrace
05-31-2006, 09:28 PM
Ya'll back off Milton.... he had an injury that day.. and is pitching some really nice stuff so far this season.

Reds finally with some runs :)

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:30 PM
I will continue to mock Milton because it's working :evil:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:30 PM
Womack to PH for the crazy one, the crazy one is very upset.

vaticanplum
05-31-2006, 09:30 PM
Zambrano throwing a tantrum at being pulled. There's little I like more in life than a proper Zambrano freakout.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:31 PM
Here comes Womack.

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:31 PM
Zambrano throwing a tantrum at being pulled. There's little I like more in life than a proper Zambrano freakout.

Zambrano in a Reds uniform wouldn't be a bad thing.

Puffy
05-31-2006, 09:32 PM
Thank God for Junior.

You mean the same Junior who in another thread, earlier today, you said the Reds should cut bait on??

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:32 PM
Here comes Womack.

"Return of the Mac"

pedro
05-31-2006, 09:32 PM
Could you please stop with the Larue cracks? He's struggling, we get it.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:33 PM
If he walks Womack we need to get the pen going

vaticanplum
05-31-2006, 09:33 PM
Zambrano in a Reds uniform wouldn't be a bad thing.

I'd be really torn on that, I really dislike him. But that's one of many reasons I'm not a GM.

The WGN announcers kill me. They are awful.

Big Klu
05-31-2006, 09:33 PM
George, if Womack was that good, we would have kept him! :angry:

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:33 PM
Womack really did look pretty helpless in that AB.

reds44
05-31-2006, 09:34 PM
Man outside of his 1st start before he went on the DL and his 1st back, Milton has been $$$$$$ this year.

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:34 PM
George, if Womack was that good, we would have kept him! :angry:
Womack played for the Cards..you know George and the cards ;)

Matt700wlw
05-31-2006, 09:35 PM
The first last man to get a hit before 17 in a row were retired by Milton breaks the string.

TheBigLebowski
05-31-2006, 09:35 PM
And here come the boo-birds...

George Foster
05-31-2006, 09:35 PM
Man outside of his 1st start before he went on the DL and his 1st back, Milton has been $$$$$$ this year.

Don't jinx it!:thumbup:

KronoRed
05-31-2006, 09:35 PM
Wonder of Womack will stay in with Neifi? :D