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reds44
06-04-2006, 01:50 PM
Reds:
Freel
Lopez
Griffey
Dunn
The Hat
Kearns
Valentin
EE
Ramirez

Astros:
Biggio
Burke
Berkman
Ensberg
Wilson
Ausmus
Lane
Bruntlett
Oswalt

Why oh why is EE batting 8th???


Reds-Astros Preview

After a rough start to a grueling road trip, Cincinnati seems to have reversed its fortunes.

The Reds try for their second road series sweep of the season when they wrap up a three-game set with the slumping Houston Astros Sunday at Minute Maid Park.

Cincinnati (31-24) won its third straight game on Saturday, beating the Astros 7-5. After consecutive losses to the Chicago Cubs, the Reds have bounced back to improve to 3-2 on a 10-day, nine-game road trip, their longest of the season.

Cincinnati has outscored its opponents 24-10 after being outscored 15-6 in the first two games of its trip.

The Reds' other road sweep this season came April 24-26 in a three-game set at Washington.

Bronson Arroyo pitched six strong innings and went 3-for-3 with a career-high four RBIs in Saturday's win. Ken Griffey Jr. added a solo home run, the 544th of his career, for the Reds, who got six hits, six RBIs and three runs from the last three batters in their order in the first six innings.

Elizardo Ramirez (2-4, 4.11 ERA) will look to give the Reds a quality outing in the series finale. He gave up four runs and a career-high nine hits in six innings of Monday's 7-3 loss to the Chicago Cubs.

Ramirez is 1-4 with a 4.33 ERA in his last five starts.

''He's a young guy who's come in and done a decent job for us,'' manager Jerry Narron said. ''He's got to be able to pitch, got to be able to locate his pitches. He's done a good job for us. We don't have any complaints. We feel like he's going to give us a good outing when he's out there.''

Ramirez made his only career start against the Astros on April 30, allowing three runs and six hits - including two homers - in six innings of a 3-2 defeat.

Houston will counter with Roy Oswalt (5-3, 3.11), who allowed seven hits in six scoreless innings but did not receive a decision in the Astros' 3-1 loss to the St. Louis Cardinals on Monday. He left the game because of tightness in his right hamstring, but a team off day on Thursday gave him an extra day to recover.

Oswalt threw a full bullpen session on Friday and said he felt okay.

''I wasn't 100 percent, but it was a lot better than I thought it would be,'' he said.

Oswalt is 0-2 over his last five starts despite earning a 3.52 ERA over that span. He has been tough against the Reds, going 15-1 with a 2.51 ERA in 20 career appearances against them.

The Astros (27-29) have dropped three straight games and 20 of their last 28. Eric Bruntlett, who has hit safely in his last six games, doubled in a run Saturday.

The Astros, who left 10 batters on base, are two games below .500 for the first time this season. They were 10 games above .500 at 19-9 on May 4.

''We seem to get in a state of panic when we don't score runs,'' manager Phil Garner said. ''We get them on base and then we stall - seems like we've been doing it for the last 10 or 11 days.''

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 01:51 PM
Where's Phillips?

I hope he didn't tweak somthing.....then again, you can't play 2 second basemen..:D

wheels
06-04-2006, 01:54 PM
He fould that pitch off his knee or whatever the other night.

He's resting, I presume.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2006, 01:56 PM
As long as Rich is out of the lineup, I'm okay.

PickOff
06-04-2006, 02:07 PM
Freel's at second?

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 02:11 PM
Oswalt...let's get him again.

Wheelhouse
06-04-2006, 02:14 PM
As long as Rich is out of the lineup, I'm okay.
Pfah.

RBA
06-04-2006, 02:20 PM
As long as Rich is out of the lineup, I'm okay.

Yup, that error RA made yesterday cost the Reds 2 runs. Luckily the Reds overcame that and scored more runs. It would of gotten ugly in here, if the Reds ended up losing that game due to errors by RA and EE. EE is young and has upside, RA is old and his days are numbered.

dsmith421
06-04-2006, 02:37 PM
Yup, that error RA made yesterday cost the Reds 2 runs. Luckily the Reds overcame that and scored more runs. It would of gotten ugly in here, if the Reds ended up losing that game due to errors by RA and EE. EE is young and has upside, RA is old and his days are numbered.

B..b...b...but veteran leadership! RISP! (head explodes)

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:02 PM
Just announced....Oswald is NOT starting...

Fernado Neive (sp?) is!!

Marty has the goo.. :lol:

rdiersin
06-04-2006, 03:04 PM
I thought the whole reason we got BP was because of some spring training home run off Oswalt.;) Now he's sitting today.

EDIT: That explains it, Matt. :)

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:05 PM
I thought the whole reason we got BP was because of some spring training home run off Oswalt.;) Now he's sitting today.

So is Oswalt.

reds44
06-04-2006, 03:05 PM
OSWALT IS NOT STARTING!!!!!

wooooooooooo!

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:06 PM
Alex Madrid, anyone?

:yikes:

LoganBuck
06-04-2006, 03:06 PM
Yippee!

CTA513
06-04-2006, 03:07 PM
Just announced....Oswald is NOT starting...

Fernado Neive (sp?) is!!

Marty has the goo.. :lol:

Nieve was supposed to start yesterday but they had Pettitte take his spot.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:07 PM
Phil Garner tying to throw a chink in the Reds armor, not announcing this until game time.

Dirty devil, is he...

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:10 PM
In other news, the Reds get Chris Carpenter on Tuesday, fresh off the DL....

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:11 PM
Oswalt has back spasms.

reds44
06-04-2006, 03:12 PM
In other news, the Reds get Chris Carpenter on Tuesday, fresh off the DL....
:bang:

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:15 PM
Nieve has a 6.06 ERA at home.

LincolnparkRed
06-04-2006, 03:16 PM
Quick note Timo Perez starting for STL today. Guess he got that visa situation resolved

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:21 PM
Griffey thought he had that one....stupid deep center field :)

reds44
06-04-2006, 03:21 PM
Freaking Minute Maid.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2006, 03:23 PM
That's why I hate when hitters swing at 3-0. It seems like Reds hitters never do anything in that situation.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:28 PM
Lizard needs to get his pitches down....he's playing Russian Roulette right now.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:30 PM
That works too :D

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:31 PM
In other news, Cubs up 1-0 in the first

Gallen5862
06-04-2006, 03:31 PM
what happened? Does anyone have the pbp for the inning?

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:33 PM
what happened? Does anyone have the pbp for the inning?

You poor soul...can't see or hear any of these games.

You haven't missed anything yet.

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:35 PM
Hat grounds one of his patented dp balls (if there was someone on first) to the SS for 1 out.

Kearns up.

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:35 PM
Kearns HIT!

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:36 PM
That was loud.

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:36 PM
Kearns left hand was hit hard. Gardner is crying that it hit the bat.

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:37 PM
Valentin is up.

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:37 PM
Valentin skys one to LF for an out. 2 outs. 1 on.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:38 PM
Marty saying Jerry Narron is getting tired of EE's lack of defense and has said something to him about it.

A threat of sorts....:eek:

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:40 PM
Edwin "why is he batting 8th" Encarncion flys out to right. 3 down.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:43 PM
That didn't take long...Ensberg smoked that one.

RBA
06-04-2006, 03:43 PM
Ensberg makes it 1-0 Astros with a dinger.

SirFelixCat
06-04-2006, 03:43 PM
As said yesterday, outside of Ensberg and Berkman, this lineup is gravy...just be careful to those two and you're golden.

Aronchis
06-04-2006, 03:44 PM
Marty saying Jerry Narron is getting tired of EE's lack of defense and has said something to him about it.

A threat of sorts....:eek:

Jerry better watch it, he is nothing more than a scab of the old regime.

reds44
06-04-2006, 03:52 PM
Ramirez has an impressive swing.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2006, 03:52 PM
Freel homers!

That should be three this week.

reds44
06-04-2006, 03:53 PM
I love the Crawford Boxes!!!!

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:54 PM
:freel:

:jump:

reds44
06-04-2006, 03:55 PM
Junior singles

WebScorpion
06-04-2006, 03:56 PM
Ramirez has an impressive swing.

He's no Arroyo.;)

This Nieve is very hittable...I expect the Lizard to get plenty of run support. :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 03:57 PM
Fernando up to 55 pitches thru 3

reds44
06-04-2006, 03:58 PM
Dunn K's

traderumor
06-04-2006, 04:01 PM
Marty saying Jerry Narron is getting tired of EE's lack of defense and has said something to him about it.

A threat of sorts....:eek:What did he say, hurry up and get older? Hurry up and get more experience? With that said, he needs to lose that side arm throw on routine plays to first, too erratic form of throwing.

RBA
06-04-2006, 04:01 PM
Great play by EE.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:02 PM
What did he say, hurry up and get older? Hurry up and get more experience? With that said, he needs to lose that side arm throw on routine plays to first, too erratic form of throwing.

I have no idea, but EE just made a nice play.

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:02 PM
EE wowza

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:02 PM
K

CTA513
06-04-2006, 04:03 PM
Marty saying Jerry Narron is getting tired of EE's lack of defense and has said something to him about it.

A threat of sorts....:eek:


I think he needs to stop throwing side arm.
Yesterday he threw it side arm and the ball sailed on him.

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:04 PM
I think he needs to stop throwing side arm.
Yesterday he threw it side arm and the ball sailed on him.
EE's defense isn't that much worse then Felipe's.

He is 23, he'll learn. Narron needs to teach him, not bust him out.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:07 PM
:kearns:

:jump:

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:08 PM
Ears!!!!

flyer85
06-04-2006, 04:17 PM
Dunn K'son a pitch that was at least 3-4 inches outside yet the umps rings it up

M2
06-04-2006, 04:22 PM
Burke put the meat tenderizer on Ramirez with an 11-pitch AB and now Berkman's walked on six pitches. If the Astros have a pounce in them, this would be the time to show it.

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2006, 04:23 PM
Maybe Narron just told EE that he is tired of turning his head and feeling ill...every time a ball is hit at him. Maybe it worked.

Is he not allowed to tell EE that his defense could be better...even despite his age. I think Narron would tolerate the fact EE might get into hitting slumps more than him not improving his defense. I am sure they have discussed and tried working on his footwork and the way he throws. Maybe EE is frustrating them by not improving.

Glad to see AK did not get something broken on his previous HBP.

M2
06-04-2006, 04:26 PM
Elizardo tries to pick off Berkman at 1B. Why? Does he think Lance is going somewhere?

And now we've got a balk call. Settle down son.

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:30 PM
4 IP, 1 ER, 66 pitches for Elizardo.

Astros only have 2 hits.

M2
06-04-2006, 04:30 PM
Maybe Narron just told EE that he is tired of turning his head and feeling ill...every time a ball is hit at him. Maybe it worked.

Is he not allowed to tell EE that his defense could be better...even despite his age. I think Narron would tolerate the fact EE might get into hitting slumps more than him not improving his defense. I am sure they have discussed and tried working on his footwork and the way he throws. Maybe EE is frustrating them by not improving.

Glad to see AK did not get something broken on his previous HBP.

He's not going to improve overnight. Reasonably what you should be hoping for is that he's better in the second half of the season than in the first.

I think it's fine to set an expectation for where his defense needs to be, but folks inside the baseball world (IMO) are sometimes quick to read inexperience as a personal defect and I certainly hope that isn't done in the case of Encarnacion. He's too talented (in the field as well as at the plate) for the team to have any other view on this outside of being resolved to work through it.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 04:36 PM
Good lineup today except 7 and 8 need to be flipped.

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2006, 04:37 PM
I understand that M2....... and i have confidence EE will not get lazy or try to slide by on his natural talents, unlike Willie Green, but it seems like whenever any manager or coach has something to say about certain players.....it's a call to arms to tell said manager/coach to shut up and leave that player alone. Some players need some tough love maybe.

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2006, 04:40 PM
This place is deader than a Kevin Federline concert.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:42 PM
Lizard having problems...

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2006, 04:44 PM
Damien Easley hit 3 HR's yesterday in Game 2 of a DH vs the Braves....he just hit a 3-run homer against Chris "Better than a Bong" Reitsma..... in the ninth to make it 8-3 AZ.

Yanks are losing 10-1 in Bottome of 7th.... It is a good day so far today.

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:45 PM
Nice.

Need a dp now.

M2
06-04-2006, 04:46 PM
I understand that M2....... and i have confidence EE will not get lazy or try to slide by on his natural talents, unlike Willie Green, but it seems like whenever any manager or coach has something to say about certain players.....it's a call to arms to tell said manager/coach to shut up and leave that player alone. Some players need some tough love maybe.

I agree with you. EdE in particular seems to thrive under those circumstances. He strikes me as a guy who puts a lot of pressure on himself to succeed (which is probably why he's a major league 3B at age 23) and tough love probably feeds into his natural tendencies.

Though to be honest, when Marty starts talking about EdE I don't get the sense it's done as reporting that Narron's showing Encarnacion some tough love, I take it as Marty's way of saying, "See, I told you this kid isn't so great." I can't imagine Marty likes the crow diet EdE's been feeding him this season. If I were a coach, I'd compile Marty's greatest busts on the kid and let Edwin hear them. That might make an excellent motivator.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:47 PM
Nobody throwing in the bullpen....

That's a mistake.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:48 PM
Now there is....the next to be DFA'd is warming up....

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:49 PM
GRIFF!!!!!!!!!

Holy crap!!!!!!

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:49 PM
JUNIOR!!!!

omg!!!!

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 04:49 PM
Wow!

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 04:49 PM
00?

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 04:49 PM
I just wish that I could have seen it, maybe TBS will show it...

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:50 PM
Griffey's back, folks. Griffey's back!! :cool:

RBA
06-04-2006, 04:50 PM
Jr Tells His Bashers To Shut Up! Or maybe he needs people to light a fire underneath him?

penantboundreds
06-04-2006, 04:51 PM
griff covered a lot of ground on that ball, i mean a lot of ground

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:51 PM
Griffey give a big one finger salute to those who doubt.

M2
06-04-2006, 04:51 PM
Got to be honest, I thought Jr. made that look a lot harder than it was.

Meanwhile, Ramirez gets a huge K on Burke. He did not need to see Berkman that inning.

Aronchis
06-04-2006, 04:51 PM
Please, that wasn't that impressive. Mercy, anytime the guy makes a catch that doesn't look routine, you go nuts.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 04:51 PM
Got to be honest, I thought Jr. made that look a lot harder than it was.
Edmonds? :devil:

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:52 PM
Big pitch by ELizardo to K him.

2-2 to the 6th

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:52 PM
Please, that wasn't that impressive.

Neither is your post.

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:54 PM
Please, that wasn't that impressive. Mercy, anytime the guy makes a catch that doesn't look routine, you go nuts.
:|

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:54 PM
That was a pitiful at bat, Adam.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 04:54 PM
I am happy anytime Jr makes good plays in CF, and I would rather have Griffey out there in CF than not out there at all.

I still think, IMHO, that this team would be better off with Freel in CF, Griffey in LF, and Dunn at 1B.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2006, 04:54 PM
Can't blame that one on the umps; Dunn just took three straight right down the middle.

Aronchis
06-04-2006, 04:54 PM
Neither is your post.

Neither is the constant fanfare over the guy.

RBA
06-04-2006, 04:55 PM
Looked impressive to me. I guess if you take out your slide rule and calculate the the speed and trajectory of the flight of the ball with Jr. speed and path to the ball, it might not look impressive to you.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:55 PM
Neither is the constant fanfare over the guy.

When he deserves it, I give it. When he doesn't, I don't.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:56 PM
Looked impressive to me. I guess if you take out your slide rule and calculate the the speed and trajectory of the flight of the bal with Jr. speed and path to the ball, it might not look impressive to you.

Denorfia would have done summersaults across the field and caught the ball, and rolled up onto his feet like he planned it.

reds44
06-04-2006, 04:57 PM
Darth Kearns!!!

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:57 PM
:kearns:

:jump:

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 04:57 PM
Ears!!!

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 04:57 PM
Go Austin :clap:

RFS62
06-04-2006, 04:58 PM
Ear shot

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 04:58 PM
Marty saying Jerry was going to sit Kearns today...Kearns talked him out of it.

RBA
06-04-2006, 04:58 PM
Denorfia would have done summersaults across the field and caught the ball, and rolled up onto his feet like he planned it.

All while eating a 6 dollar burger without spilling any of the contents of it on the ground.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 04:59 PM
Javy hot on Larues tail for the plummeting bat avg ;)

M2
06-04-2006, 05:00 PM
Looked impressive to me. I guess if you take out your slide rule and calculate the the speed and trajectory of the flight of the ball with Jr. speed and path to the ball, it might not look impressive to you.

It's really more of an eyeball thing for me. His legs move slow and he doesn't get a good push on his strides anymore. It's almost like he's trying to pull himself forward with his front foot rather than rocketing off his back foot.

George Foster
06-04-2006, 05:00 PM
Marty saying Jerry was going to sit Kearns today...Kearns talked him out of it.

Kind of like the 3rd game against the Brewers when we had a chance to sweep. He sat Lopez and Dunn when the next day was a travel day. His bat is heating up...way up...Why would you even consider sitting him?

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:01 PM
It's really more of an eyeball thing for me. His legs move slow and he doesn't get a good push on his strides anymore. It's almost like he's trying to pull himself forward with his front foot rather than rocketing off his back foot.

He caught it. Had he missed it, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

George Foster
06-04-2006, 05:05 PM
Cards put up a 3-spot against the Cubs, lead 6-5 in 5th .

Aronchis
06-04-2006, 05:05 PM
He caught it. Had he missed it, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Nah, we just would have said he doesn't cover much ground, which is the truth.

M2
06-04-2006, 05:07 PM
He caught it. Had he missed it, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

I'm glad he caught it. Honestly, I wouldn't have said a word about it if others hadn't held it up as an example of good defense. IMO, most CFs get to that without nearly as much trouble as Jr. had there, therefore I don't consider it to be an exemplary defensive play.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:07 PM
Nah, we just would have said he doesn't cover much ground, which is the truth.

I can't argue that, but I think he, at times, covers more than some people want to give him credit for.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:07 PM
ER rolls on.

RBA
06-04-2006, 05:08 PM
I'm glad he caught it. Honestly, I wouldn't have said a word about it if others hadn't held it up as an example of good defense. IMO, most CFs get to that without nearly as much trouble as Jr. had there, therefore I don't consider it to be an exemplary defensive play.


Can't agree with you that most CF's get to it.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:09 PM
Can't agree with you that most CF's get to it.

He got to it. He just made an ESPN highlight reel in the process :D

reds44
06-04-2006, 05:09 PM
6 IP, 3 H, 2 ER for EZ.

QS

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:10 PM
Q-tip batting under .200

Joseph
06-04-2006, 05:10 PM
Q can't be off this team fast enough.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:11 PM
Q-tip batting under .200
He Jason and Javy are working hard at it ;)

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:11 PM
What's really sad is that it's a Sunday afternoon in June, and there is no baseball on TV (at least here in Florida).

M2
06-04-2006, 05:11 PM
Can't agree with you that most CF's get to it.

No way to prove it either way, but I can tell you that if a kid ran like that in a track tryout he'd be put in with the distance runners and not the sprinters.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:15 PM
What's really sad is that it's a Sunday afternoon in June, and there is no baseball on TV (at least here in Florida).

Cubs on WGN :D

RBA
06-04-2006, 05:15 PM
No way to prove it either way, but I can tell you that if a kid ran like that in a track tryout he'd be put in with the distance runners and not the sprinters.


Maybe you would prefer Deion Sanders? If you think speed is the only tool for outfield. But you know that already.

He got a good jump on the ball, took the right route, and timed his diving leap at the right time.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:16 PM
Cubs on WGN :D

Maybe you misunderstood me, I said BASEBALL :evil:

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:16 PM
Yeah..what he said :lol:

George Foster
06-04-2006, 05:18 PM
What's really sad is that it's a Sunday afternoon in June, and there is no baseball on TV (at least here in Florida).

you need the MLB package on the internet. Money well spent.:thumbup:

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:19 PM
Hammond has been money!

Hammond for closer!! :D

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:19 PM
Hammond's ERA is under 5? When did that happen?

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:20 PM
Ship him out before he goes back to normal ;)

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:20 PM
you need the MLB package on the internet. Money well spent.:thumbup:

I was thinking of doing that, but I am usually in hotels. Sometimes it's a decent connection, but usually it's not very reliable.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:24 PM
Ok, Dunn needs to launch one here...

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2006, 05:25 PM
Ugly swings by Dunn. Rough day.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:26 PM
Ok, Dunn needs to launch one here...

Ok, maybe not. Going for the sombrero... :bang:

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:26 PM
Ok, Dunn needs to launch one here...

He has to hit it first.

George Foster
06-04-2006, 05:26 PM
I was thinking of doing that, but I am usually in hotels. Sometimes it's a decent connection, but usually it's not very reliable.

What about Red Roof Inn? I once saw a commercial about Red Roof Inn on Foxsports Ohio...they look pretty nice.:laugh:

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:26 PM
Ugly swings by Dunn. Rough day.
He's the worst baseball player in history

(getting that in early :D )

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:27 PM
Weathers in...


Not sure if this is good or bad...I guess we'll see

George Foster
06-04-2006, 05:28 PM
Weathers in...


Not sure if this is good or bad.

thunderstorm warning just issued for the Houston Metro area:thumbdown

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:29 PM
Weathers in...


Not sure if this is good or bad...I guess we'll see

Leadoff single, It's not looking good so far...

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:30 PM
Weathers just screwed that up....he's going to blow this, I fear.

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 05:30 PM
Weathers is reaslly sucking it up. He gives up a run every outing now.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:30 PM
Excellent... :rolleyes:

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:31 PM
:bang:

reds44
06-04-2006, 05:31 PM
Weathers is awesome.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:31 PM
He's pretty much sucked lately (except last night)

George Foster
06-04-2006, 05:31 PM
Weathers just screwed that up....he's going to blow this, I fear.

How did he score from second? Kearns can't make every play. Still had a great series.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:31 PM
Weathers missed an easy out at 2nd on the bunt and it costs the Reds and with Berkman there is more coming

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:31 PM
Hammond gets better as Weathers starts to stink

It's a bullpen curse, the curse of Gullett

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 05:32 PM
How did he score from second? Kearns can't make every play. Still had a great series.

Can't blow a lead.

reds44
06-04-2006, 05:32 PM
Good start by EZ blown by us (as usual).

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:33 PM
I remember the good ol days when the Reds pen was one of the best in the league.

You know, just a couple of seasons ago...

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:33 PM
How did he score from second? Kearns can't make every play. Still had a great series.

Weathers could have thrown the runner out at second on the bunt, but did not throw it.

That run would not have scored on Burke's single had he done what he should have done.

This is all on Stormy...

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:34 PM
I remember the good ol days when the Reds pen was one of the best in the league.

You know, just a couple of seasons ago...
But our starters sucked that year, it's a curse

Topcat
06-04-2006, 05:34 PM
Tough crowd in here today ;)

George Foster
06-04-2006, 05:34 PM
I smell extra innings on a "get-away day" no one likes that, especially Marty.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:35 PM
I smell extra innings on a "get-away day" no one likes that, especially Marty.

Nah...he doesn't like rain delays...or double headers :)

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:35 PM
Weathers could have thrown the runner out at second on the bunt, but did not throw it.it wouldn't even have been a close play. Lamb is slow and the play was right in from of him. Lamb would have been out by 10 feet.

M2
06-04-2006, 05:35 PM
Maybe you would prefer Deion Sanders? If you think speed is the only tool for outfield. But you know that already.

He got a good jump on the ball, took the right route, and timed his diving leap at the right time.

I agree he did all of those things. Unfortunately sports is a cruel business. You can do everything right, but if you're slow then it's just compensating for ability.

Think about it this way: He did everything right and he barely got there. That's the play as a I saw it.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:37 PM
hopefully the Stros just returned a favor, maybe the Reds will take advantage

reds44
06-04-2006, 05:37 PM
There's a break.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:38 PM
E - 6...

Make 'em pay Kearns!

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:38 PM
Mercker warming up :help:

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:40 PM
Coffey? Please? :(

captainmorgan07
06-04-2006, 05:40 PM
whats goin on gameday is slow

RFS62
06-04-2006, 05:40 PM
Think about it this way: He did everything right and he barely got there. That's the play as a I saw it.



Yeah, me too. He put out a maximum effort with what he's got. He's running as hard as he ever did, just not getting there as fast.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:40 PM
Mercker warming up :help:guess it also shows how much confidence Narron has in his RH relievers left not named Coffey

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:41 PM
Hatte reached on error, and Kearns popped up, 1 out.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:41 PM
That guy stinks :D

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:41 PM
Coffey? Please? :(

He's warming too...hopefully the Reds get the lead here

max venable
06-04-2006, 05:41 PM
Boy oh boy...did we have it made with the Nasty Boys or what? Those dudes made it a 6-inning game every day.

Nowadays...well...we don't even have a bullpen.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:41 PM
Single by Javy

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2006, 05:42 PM
I do remember everyone in RZ writing about how the Reds could always develop relief pitchers...or they always seemed to sign the right cast off who happens to have a career year (Ruffin, Carrasco) or years (Shaw. Brantley) But for the last 2-3 years it's been all bad..... but now it is the bullpen that is worse. Is this progress? :D

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:42 PM
EE can be the hero...

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:42 PM
0-2 on EE now...

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:43 PM
So, 2 on with one down (1st, and 2nd)

max venable
06-04-2006, 05:43 PM
Yeah...supposedly the bullpen problems had been addressed in the offseason...Hammonds, Mercker, whatever.

The pen is B-A-D, bad! If we had a pen, we'd be in first place.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:44 PM
EE K's, 2 down. RA PH..

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:45 PM
Yeah...supposedly the bullpen problems had been addressed in the offseason...Hammonds, Mercker, whatever.

The pen is B-A-D, bad! If we had a pen, we'd be in first place.

Right now, Hammond isn't a concern of mine.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:45 PM
Phillips gonna PR for Hatte at 2nd.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:47 PM
Aurilia ahead 3-1....

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:48 PM
called strike...full count....Freel on deck

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Aurilia is worthless.

That ball bounced up there.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:48 PM
If Mercker is coming in I'm going to hide under the table and fear the worst.

reds44
06-04-2006, 05:48 PM
scrappy

WVRedsFan
06-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Those last two pitches were balls four and five to Rich.

That hurts.

RBA
06-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Aurilia swings on ball 4. He was guessing because he's too old too catch up to the heater.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:49 PM
RA K's to end the inning...tied at 3

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:49 PM
Aurilia is worthless.


Yeah. Ok.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 05:49 PM
Pray for the pen :pray:

Spitball
06-04-2006, 05:49 PM
Lidge had to make a ton of pitches that inning. Gotta' hope we're going out for the tenth.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:49 PM
This is not a shot at RA ... he had a walkd but Lidge didn't throw a strike in that entire AB.

WVRedsFan
06-04-2006, 05:50 PM
If Mercker is coming in I'm going to hide under the table and fear the worst.

And you won't with Coffey? :)

Right now, I wouldn't bet the farm on any of our relievers. They all seem to fit the same pattern. Pitch an inning and give up a run.

Joseph
06-04-2006, 05:50 PM
Mercker in to seal the loss.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:50 PM
BTW, I noticed Simpson is up with the Brewers

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:50 PM
And you won't with Coffey? :)

Right now, I wouldn't bet the farm on any of our relievers. They all seem to fit the same pattern. Pitch an inning and give up a run.

I may fear anyway, but I won't hide.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:51 PM
This is not a shot at RA ... he had a walkd but Lidge didn't throw a strike in that entire AB.

strike 2 looked a little high....

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:51 PM
Astros have a bunch of righties and Narron brings in Mercker. I guess WHite, Yan and Germano are for mopup

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:51 PM
Why in the hell do you bring in a LHP to face 3 straight righties?

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 05:52 PM
Wow why do you think Mercker is so bad, he's a solid pitcher.

1 out.

WVRedsFan
06-04-2006, 05:52 PM
Mercker in to seal the loss.
Narron is a "pattern manager." He goes with the same bullpen lneup regardless. Only difference today was we didn't see Hammond and we'll see Mercker. Coffey comes on if we get the lead.

FWIW, I don't guess it matters much anyway.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:52 PM
Wow why do you think Mercker is so bad, he's a solid pitcher.

1 out.

Since coming off the DL, he's been rocked.

Today...so far, so good.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:53 PM
strike 2 looked a little high....it was definitely inside and should have been ball four

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Narron is a "pattern manager." He goes with the same bullpen lneup regardless. Only difference today was we didn't see Hammond and we'll see Mercker. Coffey comes on if we get the lead.

FWIW, I don't guess it matters much anyway.

Hammond pitched a perfect inning.

Joseph
06-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Absolutely right WV, I just remember what we've seen his last 3 outings and its disheartening.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Since coming off the DL, he's been rocked.

Today...so far, so good.given up an HR in each appearance

WVRedsFan
06-04-2006, 05:54 PM
Hammond pitched a perfect inning.

I know. I just fear the return to the earlier Hammond. It's coming.

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 05:54 PM
Nice inning for Mercker!

Joseph
06-04-2006, 05:54 PM
Wow, color me impressed.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2006, 05:54 PM
Good inning.

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 05:55 PM
I know. I just fear the return to the earlier Hammond. It's coming.

Hooooooray for positive thinking. :thumbup:

Spitball
06-04-2006, 05:55 PM
Why in the hell do you bring in a LHP to face 3 straight righties?
His change is real tough on right handers.

StillFunkyB
06-04-2006, 05:56 PM
Wow, color me impressed.

Same here...

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:56 PM
Good job, Merck.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 05:57 PM
Wow, color me impressed.Mercker has always been solid in his career. WIth his lack of innings on the season he needed to do a 3-4 outing rehab stint before they brought him back

PickOff
06-04-2006, 05:57 PM
Why in the hell do you bring in a LHP to face 3 straight righties?

I'm not a big fan of "the book" in this case. Do you have a righty closer and a lefty closer? No. You have a closer. Same goes for a top setup guy, IMO. For the Reds, Weathers is the top setup guy, as was Coffee before, regardless of who is at the plate. Since Weathers was used and Coffee will be in for the save you go with your next best - Mercker, who has performed well in that role in the past.

Joseph
06-04-2006, 05:57 PM
Same here...

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Reds.

Just to bring them the win.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:59 PM
That was ball 4 - yet called strike 2

Joseph
06-04-2006, 05:59 PM
Mercker has always been solid in his career. WIth his lack of innings on the season he needed to do a 3-4 outing rehab stint before they brought him back

No question. I just didn't want to roll the dice on him in a situation like this. I'm not advocating getting rid of him or anything of the sort, I know he has been solid in the past.

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 05:59 PM
Ryan Freel gets on base

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 05:59 PM
Freel walks on ball 5, which balances out Dunn's 3 ball walk a while back.

flyer85
06-04-2006, 06:00 PM
Nice AB from Freel. That was how he hit early in the year

flyer85
06-04-2006, 06:00 PM
I would not bunt

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 06:02 PM
Why bunt?!

flyer85
06-04-2006, 06:02 PM
if the bunt is successful someone will get pitched around anyway, is that really what Narron wants

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:03 PM
Hopefully Dunn doesn't bunt :)

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 06:03 PM
Stop with the bunting :dunno:

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 06:04 PM
Ok for every 5 pick off attempts it should count as a ball.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:04 PM
See..why bunt?

Lopez!!

CrackerJack
06-04-2006, 06:04 PM
Felipe! nice.....

flyer85
06-04-2006, 06:04 PM
good thing Felipe couldn't bunt

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 06:05 PM
Bunts suck :D

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:05 PM
Junior getting passed.....

CTA513
06-04-2006, 06:05 PM
lol some of these Reds hitters can look so bad in an at bat then end up getting a hit.

:)

Joseph
06-04-2006, 06:05 PM
FeLo!!

Griff with the IBB.

2 on, no out for Dunn.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:06 PM
Dunn is due...ESPECIALLY with RISP :D

westofyou
06-04-2006, 06:06 PM
Quick question.

Are the Reds paying Freel to walk?

PickOff
06-04-2006, 06:06 PM
Quick question.

Are the Reds paying Freel to walk?

Ask Marty.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 06:06 PM
Call a double steal.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:06 PM
Quick question.

Are the Reds paying Freel to walk?

As long as it's a scrappy walk.

westofyou
06-04-2006, 06:07 PM
Ask Marty.
I prefer not to break the 4th wall with him.

Spitball
06-04-2006, 06:09 PM
I'm not a big fan of "the book" in this case. Do you have a righty closer and a lefty closer? No. You have a closer. Same goes for a top setup guy, IMO. For the Reds, Weathers is the top setup guy, as was Coffee before, regardless of who is at the plate. Since Weathers was used and Coffee will be in for the save you go with your next best - Mercker, who has performed well in that role in the past.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=4441

Check out Merck's splits. He is tougher on righties. I tell you that change kills them.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:09 PM
Dunn strikes out for the 4th time.

Yeesh.

PickOff
06-04-2006, 06:09 PM
I prefer not to break the 4th wall with him.

Fine, maintain your suspension of disbelief.

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 06:09 PM
Trade him for cheese he's the worst ever

westofyou
06-04-2006, 06:09 PM
http://www.educar.org/inventos/sombrero.jpg

harangatang
06-04-2006, 06:12 PM
http://www.educar.org/inventos/sombrero.jpgThe good ol' golden sombrero. :beerme:

redsrule2500
06-04-2006, 06:14 PM
The good ol' golden sombrero. :beerme:
???????????

KronoRed
06-04-2006, 06:14 PM
Phillips also fails with RISP..but he's scrappy so he gets a pass ;)

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:15 PM
Coffey...please do better than last night.

Thank you.

reds44
06-04-2006, 06:16 PM
Javavavavava

Matt700wlw
06-04-2006, 06:16 PM
The good ol' golden sombrero. :beerme:

Not usually something you cheer, but as long as there's beer involved, I'nm ok with it. :beerme: