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Phhhl
06-05-2006, 12:36 AM
I am starting to wonder if the broadcasting team on the tv side are starting to hear the criticisms of fans in regards to George Grande's "impartiality". Not to beat a dead horse, but I have noticed Chris Welsh stepping up on several occasions recently to amend Grande's comments. Specifically, I will cite Saturday evening, when Grande began to lament Pujols' injury as a major blow to the Cardinals. Welsh quickly interjected that, to paraphrase, on one hand, you want to beat the best. On the other, this could be the type of break the Reds need to get back in the race.

In the Cubs series, I distinctly remember Grande reciting and tear-jerking essay on the injuries to Derrick Lee, Prior and Wood. Again, Welsh quickly replied that it was an oppurtunity to bury them.

Again, in the Brewer series, Grande complained that starting pitcher David Bush couldn't quite rediscover the "magic" that helped him shut out the Reds earlier in the year in Milwaukee. Even more tragically, Ben Sheets was on the dl, and "you know his story"... having dominated the Reds regularly in his "brilliant" career. Welsh amended those comments by his partner to say that he hoped such misfortune kept visiting the Brewers so long as the Reds had to play them.

There have been more examples. To me, it is clear that Chris either has a feel for how the game is being presented by his partner, or word has come from up top to extinguish some of the hero worship of our opponents by our broadcasting team. I am by no means an advocate of sugar coating anything. I am a big fan of Marty's, for instance, even as he comes under attack for justifiable criticism. But, I wonder if anyone else has noticed a change in the tone of the television team?

I think the entire franchise is beginning to turn the corner. This may be a byproduct, however insignifigant it may seem on the surface.

reds44
06-05-2006, 12:41 AM
I don't mind Welsch (besides his goofy fake smile) but Grande, to me, is awful. We could do better.

WVRedsFan
06-05-2006, 12:41 AM
I'm not a big fan of the Creeper. In fact, his babbling gets on my nerves, but for the life of me I cannot understand how he could put up with George Grande's blithering worship of the opposition night after night.

I very seriously doubt that Bob C. has said anything to the media members of the Reds' broadcast teams. It's not his style. You have to be careful with the media. BC knows this and I imagine if changes are made it will be at contract time. I just think Chris has had enough.

jimbo
06-05-2006, 12:47 AM
I don't have any problems with George and Chris. This team has had some horrible tv commentators over the years but I don't put these two in that category. I think they do a good job. Maybe it's because I don't listen as much as I watch.

roby
06-05-2006, 12:50 AM
The game this afternoon (Sunday) sounded more like the Albert PULL-HOLTZ Show than a Reds game. Grande tries every way he can to get on the subject of Puhols and the Cardinals. I tend to agree that Welsh is probably getting sick of it. Did anyone else here Welsh say something to the effect..."Well that's curious, George..." It caused Grande to go totally silent for several minutes. I kinda like Welsh!

jhiller21
06-05-2006, 12:54 AM
Welsch has seemed a bit more frustrated with George this season. It seems like he never wastes a chance to correct Grande, when he used to just bite his lip and move on.

pedro
06-05-2006, 12:56 AM
I think Welsh would be OK if paired with a human.

Cedric
06-05-2006, 01:08 AM
He got it! He got it!

My friends still call me after everyone of George's goofy calls. It's pure comedic brilliance.

Remember Griffey's 500th homer? The ball hits the bat and all you hear is George going "HEYYY!"

It's comic gold.

Hap
06-05-2006, 07:22 AM
Another Grande-bashing thread......

I will continue to feed the monster.....

Grande showed absolutely no excitement at all when Freel hit the 11th inning home run. He acted like it was a routine pop fly. I'm not sure he even knew the ball was a homer. He certainly failed to understand the magnitude of a series sweep against a hated rival that is directly behind The Reds in the standings. He then segued into a dissertation about a home run that (Sir) Albert Pujols hit at Minute Maid Park during the 2005 season. :confused:

Maybe he and Rick Sutcliffe have been out golfing...

dman
06-05-2006, 07:30 AM
Another Grande-bashing thread......

I will continue to feed the monster.....

Grande showed absolutely no excitement at all when Freel hit the 11th inning home run. He acted like it was a routine pop fly. I'm not sure he even knew the ball was a homer. He certainly failed to understand the magnitude of a series sweep against a hated rival that is directly behind The Reds in the standings. He then segued into a dissertation about a home run that (Sir) Albert Pujols hit at Minute Maid Park during the 2005 season. :confused:

Maybe he and Rick Sutcliffe have been out golfing...
I don't think this is a Grande bashing thread. This here is stuff that FSN refuses to address with Grande, so Welsh is starting to throw some of Grande's crap right back at him. I think it's a great thing.

zombie-a-go-go
06-05-2006, 08:10 AM
I don't think this is a Grande bashing thread. This here is stuff that FSN refuses to address with Grande, so Welsh is starting to throw some of Grande's crap right back at him. I think it's a great thing.

True dat. I'm only surprised that it took this long for Welsh to tell Grande "stuff it."

BuckWoody
06-05-2006, 08:20 AM
I'm with everyone who is really annoyed with George but I may part with the majority on Welsh. I really like the Creeper...even with his cheesy grin and his porn-star mustache. He is very personable and does have some nice insight into the game and, as pointed out here, he will call Grande out from time to time and do it in a very reasonable manner.

CySeymour
06-05-2006, 08:22 AM
Well, this is the first time my cable carrier has had Reds games on FSN, and I love being able to actually see some games. Welsh is fine, and I think if he were teamed with a better PBP guy, he would be tremendous. However, Grande is awful. He's almost as bad as Ken Wilson back in the mid 80's, and I would always turn the sound down on him!

TeamBoone
06-05-2006, 09:55 AM
Grande showed absolutely no excitement at all when Freel hit the 11th inning home run. He acted like it was a routine pop fly. I'm not sure he even knew the ball was a homer.

He sounded pretty excited to me!

registerthis
06-05-2006, 09:59 AM
He sounded pretty excited to me!

I'll tell you who weren't excited--the 'Stros announcers:

"And here's the pitch to Freel...and it's a high fly ball to left field...(said with same level of excitement one might use when announcing that the weather is partly cloudy) and that's over the fence, the Reds take a two run lead...(10-15 second pause) and here's Felipe Lopez."

westofyou
06-05-2006, 10:00 AM
I'd like a carbon copy of the Astro's team please.

Understated, informed, free of inside jokes, sunshine blowing and bitterness.

ON Dunn : Adam Dunn is the type of player that you have to really look at the numbers and go deeper, he has an incredible on base percentage and sees plenty of pitches.

ON Dunn by Reds Radio - Well folks, some say look at the home runs and I say look at the strikeouts and batting average.

On Dunn by Reds TV - Adam like fishing, friends and family.

TeamBoone
06-05-2006, 10:04 AM
According to Welsh, coming into yesterday's game (where he had no hits), Adam Dunn was hitting something like .365 on the road trip.

rdiersin
06-05-2006, 10:08 AM
I'd like a carbon copy of the Astro's team please.

Understated, informed, free of inside jokes, sunshine blowing and bitterness.

ON Dunn : Adam Dunn is the type of player that you have to really look at the numbers and go deeper, he has an incredible on base percentage and sees plenty of pitches.

ON Dunn by Reds Radio - Well folks, some say look at the home runs and I say look at the strikeouts and batting average.

On Dunn by Reds TV - Adam like fishing, friends and family.

Absolutely agree. The Astros tv guys were really good. I was very impressed with them this weekend.

registerthis
06-05-2006, 10:10 AM
Absolutely agree. The Astros tv guys were really good. I was very impressed with them this weekend.

Was I the only one who thought Jim DeShaies looked a little creepy yesterday? Maybe so...

westofyou
06-05-2006, 10:13 AM
Was I the only one who thought Jim DeShaies looked a little creepy yesterday? Maybe so...
I didn't see them all weekend myself... heard em yep, see em?

No.. but if we're talking "looks" the Jokers grin always creeps me out.

traderumor
06-05-2006, 10:14 AM
I did not notice that with Welsh, but thank goodness. While totally homer announcers (no objectivity, Harry Caray w/ Cubs) is one end of the spectrum, the other end of the spectrum is Grande and his feigned objectivity, which is really just spending more time building up the opponent or as Welsh has been pointing out, the enemy, than it is building up the Reds, trying to build excitement and gain fans of the hometown team. But then, how many fans do you think are Cubs fans today because Harry Caray convinced them they should love the Cubbies? On the flipside, why would anyone be sold on the Reds listening to Grande tell them all the other girls are prettier?

gonelong
06-05-2006, 10:24 AM
Far be it from me to sit on the sidelines when a GG rant is rolling. :)

The thing that gets me is that he doesn't accurately call the action. If you only turned on the audio and couldn't watch the game you'd have an incredibly skewed picture of what did/did not happen.

Lots of lazy fly balls are "hit pretty good", where so-and-so is "back to the warning track", and the "park will hold it". Every fly ball is hit to the warning track, even when the fielder is a good 30-40 ft short of it when he catches it.

Soft, looping lines sound like laser beams.

22 hoppers to short are hit "right on the button" but "right at someone".

etc., etc., etc.

GL

IowaRed
06-05-2006, 11:08 AM
Far be it from me to sit on the sidelines when a GG rant is rolling. :)

The thing that gets me is that he doesn't accurately call the action. If you only turned on the audio and couldn't watch the game you'd have an incredibly skewed picture of what did/did not happen.

Lots of lazy fly balls are "hit pretty good", where so-and-so is "back to the warning track", and the "park will hold it". Every fly ball is hit to the warning track, even when the fielder is a good 30-40 ft short of it when he catches it.

Soft, looping lines sound like laser beams.

22 hoppers to short are hit "right on the button" but "right at someone".

etc., etc., etc.

GL

Agree 100%. I'm bothered more by his inaccuracies than by the other things mentioned in this thread. I've also noticed that he is mis-identifying (if that's a word) players. Maybe he always has but I've noticed it more this year. Normally I turn down the sound but my wife has been watching a lot of games and she likes to "hear" the game also

smith288
06-05-2006, 11:50 AM
Another Grande-bashing thread......

I will continue to feed the monster.....

Grande showed absolutely no excitement at all when Freel hit the 11th inning home run. He acted like it was a routine pop fly. I'm not sure he even knew the ball was a homer. He certainly failed to understand the magnitude of a series sweep against a hated rival that is directly behind The Reds in the standings. He then segued into a dissertation about a home run that (Sir) Albert Pujols hit at Minute Maid Park during the 2005 season. :confused:

Maybe he and Rick Sutcliffe have been out golfing...
I seriously think he doesnt know how to judge fly balls from the media box. Sorta like how fans who dont watch many ball games get all excited on pop outs because they cant judge its trajectory from the nose bleeds.

But I agree, he didnt even get sorta pumped at the homerun Freel hit in the 11th.

Benny-Distefano
06-05-2006, 12:31 PM
Everytime I hear that someone has "scampered home" my IQ hurts....

IowaRed
06-05-2006, 12:34 PM
Everytime I hear that someone has "scampered home" my IQ hurts....

and every foul ball is "slapped" BTW, Benny, love the name choice

westofyou
06-05-2006, 12:47 PM
My biggest George gripe is is love of the scrappy player and the over emphasozing of their abilities and their contribution to the club, if pumped up Nefi perz, he pumped up Eckstein (This guy is more important to the Cards than Albert.. guess we'll see eh?) he pumps up every middle infielder and scrub like they were Jackie Robinson and Babe Ruth combined.

But of course George was a scrappy middle infielder in college ball, so I forgive him for those transgressions, but they still irk me.

2001MUgrad
06-05-2006, 01:07 PM
I'm just glad that the net feed I'm able to get most nights is generally less than 5 seconds off my TV off the dish. So, I pretty much turn down the TV to where I can't hear it, except with Steve comes on then I turn it up slightly.

NewEraReds
06-05-2006, 01:15 PM
grande is the worst announcer in baseball. not only is he dumb and wrong half the time. not only does he mess up half the things he says. i.e. yest - the reds have 9 runs on 7 hits - no idiot, we have 7 runs on 9 hits.

but his voice is ANNOYING

kaldaniels
06-05-2006, 01:18 PM
Far be it from me to sit on the sidelines when a GG rant is rolling. :)

The thing that gets me is that he doesn't accurately call the action. If you only turned on the audio and couldn't watch the game you'd have an incredibly skewed picture of what did/did not happen.

Lots of lazy fly balls are "hit pretty good", where so-and-so is "back to the warning track", and the "park will hold it". Every fly ball is hit to the warning track, even when the fielder is a good 30-40 ft short of it when he catches it.

Soft, looping lines sound like laser beams.

22 hoppers to short are hit "right on the button" but "right at someone".

etc., etc., etc.

GL

Very nice...I have to say "hit pretty good" is one of the more underated Grandisms!!!

Chip R
06-05-2006, 01:30 PM
He sounded pretty excited to me!

He must have been thinking about their next destination. :luvu:

saboforthird
06-05-2006, 02:32 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that FSN represented Cincinnati? (at least in games that the Reds play in) If so, why would they continue to employ (even if it means buying out a contract) Grande, with all the supporting he does of the opposition? It's hard to get excited about the Reds when I get to watch my own team play in silence and hear everything in the world about the opponent.

KronoRed
06-05-2006, 02:35 PM
They don't want homers calling the games.

membengal
06-05-2006, 02:37 PM
They don't want homers calling the games.

Why? And, if not, can we at least not be subjected to a Cardinals homer calling Reds games?

KronoRed
06-05-2006, 02:39 PM
Same reason they asked the Braves guys to tone the homerism down, they want "balance" :dunno:

membengal
06-05-2006, 02:46 PM
Same reason they asked the Braves guys to tone the homerism down, they want "balance" :dunno:

Braves guys go to a National audience on TBS. I don't think they are right to ask them to tone it down, but at least it is distinguishable.

If I am seeking out a Reds game on FSN Ohio, I am 95 times out of 100, a die hard Reds fan, no? I just don't get the philosophy here. It IS possible to be a "homer" and still be interesting and critical as an announcer. Being a "homer" (whatever that means) does not mean you have to be blindly accepting of all that goes on. But it does mean that you might be pleased when good stuff happens, and pleased on a consistent basis.

RedFanAlways1966
06-05-2006, 02:54 PM
But I agree, he didnt even get sorta pumped at the homerun Freel hit in the 11th.

Probably b/c he saw two other "should have won the game" opportunities go up in smoke with the BP yesterday... no sense in getting excited until the last out is made! :devil:

It is good to see RZ'ers complaining about George. Usually when George gets his own thread (again), it means the REDS are winning. Otherwise, there would be all kinds of other things to moan about with this club. I like George threads!

:beerme:

RBA
06-05-2006, 03:20 PM
They don't want homers calling the games.

And why not?

http://www.easi.net.nz/images/homer.gif

zombie-a-go-go
06-05-2006, 04:04 PM
Probably b/c he saw two other "should have won the game" opportunities go up in smoke with the BP yesterday... no sense in getting excited until the last out is made! :devil:

It is good to see RZ'ers complaining about George. Usually when George gets his own thread (again), it means the REDS are winning. Otherwise, there would be all kinds of other things to moan about with this club. I like George threads!

:beerme:

That's an excellent point. :beerme:

traderumor
06-05-2006, 04:05 PM
Braves guys go to a National audience on TBS. I don't think they are right to ask them to tone it down, but at least it is distinguishable.

If I am seeking out a Reds game on FSN Ohio, I am 95 times out of 100, a die hard Reds fan, no? I just don't get the philosophy here. It IS possible to be a "homer" and still be interesting and critical as an announcer. Being a "homer" (whatever that means) does not mean you have to be blindly accepting of all that goes on. But it does mean that you might be pleased when good stuff happens, and pleased on a consistent basis.I think Marty is a good example of a critical homer. Marty loves the Reds much in the same way we do. Obviously, he sometimes picks the wrong target for the wrong reason, but still he is a homer and leaves no doubt as to who he wants to win and succeed. I do not think the same can be said of Grande. I think he's like a t-ball coach, just hoping everyone had fun and would just as soon not mention any winners or losers, just great performances.

Newman4
06-05-2006, 04:13 PM
Ah, a GG bashing for me is like cake to a fat boy. I can't resist.

Tonight should give this thread more fuel for the fire.

"The Reds and the Redbirds coming up next"
"You know, you hate to see an injury to a player having a season like Pujols"
"Eckstein does all the little things right and the little guy plays big"
"Edmonds.......he got it, he got it!"
"Juan Encarnacion,.....you know his story."

gilpdawg
06-05-2006, 04:15 PM
I'll gladly put up with George if I don't have to hear those JTM and Red Roof commercials anymore.

flynn78
06-05-2006, 04:18 PM
I think Marty is a good example of a critical homer. Marty loves the Reds much in the same way we do. Obviously, he sometimes picks the wrong target for the wrong reason, but still he is a homer and leaves no doubt as to who he wants to win and succeed. I do not think the same can be said of Grande. I think he's like a t-ball coach, just hoping everyone had fun and would just as soon not mention any winners or losers, just great performances.
Don't let it be said that I didn't show up to talk about GG. I have had a horrible time listening to him. He is so much of a fan of the other teams that it clouds his calls of great Reds moments. I would love to know how much it would cost him to get a spotter on flyballs. I don't know how many times I was working on a paper in college listening and watching and a flyball was hit "pretty good. I would look up to find an outfielder preparing to catch a mid-range flyball. His depth perception is comparable to that of a man looking in a funhouse mirror.

TOBTTReds
06-05-2006, 04:25 PM
Grande showed absolutely no excitement at all when Freel hit the 11th inning home run. He acted like it was a routine pop fly. I'm not sure he even knew the ball was a homer.

Freel hit a HR in the 11th? I thought Rich Aurilia hit it....he had such a great at bat before that!

Thankfully CW mentioned that David Ross had a great AB as well, and actually got on base.

TOBTTReds
06-05-2006, 04:30 PM
Quick Question: How has no one started a fire George Grande website. We've had one for Bob Boone and Miley. Why no GG?

dabvu2498
06-05-2006, 04:33 PM
Freel hit a HR in the 11th? I thought Rich Aurilia hit it....he had such a great at bat before that!

Thankfully CW mentioned that David Ross had a great AB as well, and actually got on base.
Tracey Jones WENT OFF on this on the post-game with his usual "I played the game so I recognize this and you don't" stuff. I hate that even more than GG's weak stuff.

Redhook
06-05-2006, 04:37 PM
Don't let it be said that I didn't show up to talk about GG. I have had a horrible time listening to him. He is so much of a fan of the other teams that it clouds his calls of great Reds moments. I would love to know how much it would cost him to get a spotter on flyballs. I don't know how many times I was working on a paper in college listening and watching and a flyball was hit "pretty good. I would look up to find an outfielder preparing to catch a mid-range flyball. His depth perception is comparable to that of a man looking in a funhouse mirror.

That's well said. If we were just listening to GG and not watching, he'd have us to believe every flyball hit by the Reds was to the warning track or beyond. And, every pop up was a hard smashing line drive that was somehow snared. Welsh has to be close to flipping out. I couldn't imagine working a game with GG, let alone in a small space.

Jr's Boy
06-05-2006, 06:36 PM
Well I think the GG talk is a little premature cause Edmonds is back now,and we know its a whole new ballgame to GG especialy with his boy back.

spaethc
06-05-2006, 07:23 PM
GG seems like a nice guy and I thought he did a decent job when he did that Sportscenter anniversary show, but he is one of the worst play-by-play guys I have ever heard. I dont like Welsch either but I agree with others who say he would probably better with a different play-by-play guy. A lot of times it is as if GG isnt even watching the game. He will say something that is completely wrong, the replay will show that he is wrong and then he will say as you can see by the replay <insert GG's initial incorrect statement here>. Which causes me to yell at the tv: WHAT THE **** ARE YOU LOOKING AT GEORGE!

TeamBoone
06-05-2006, 08:01 PM
grande is the worst announcer in baseball. not only is he dumb and wrong half the time. not only does he mess up half the things he says. i.e. yest - the reds have 9 runs on 7 hits - no idiot, we have 7 runs on 9 hits.

but his voice is ANNOYING

Ok, you (and everyone else) may not like him, but he is far from dumb!

MaineRed
06-05-2006, 10:43 PM
Far from dumb? Define, far.

Most, non-dumb people I know don't say, "huh" 456 times per day when finishing a sentence.

"That ball was hit a ton, huh?"

"Griffey showed he can still play center, huh."

"Esteban Yan looking for a fresh start, huh."

The best part is when the air goes dead when George backdoors a question in that fashion to Welsch. I LOVE it. I guess from Chris' perspective it isn't as good as slugging George in the jaw but it allows him to keep his job and maybe get an inside chuckle.

What makes George so bad is that he does a horrible job of setting up his partner. He makes statements all day and puts huh at the end instead of just talking to Welsch. If a subject comes up, they don't ever talk about it as George has to go on and on about whatever the subject is and there is no back and forth between the two. He paints his little rosy picture and by the time he is done, Welsch is ready to move on as there is nothing more to say.

Another thing with Grande that I haven't seen anyone mention is when a sign appears to have been missed and the Reds give the other team an easy out and George will say something like:

"We basically have a gag order on that play until we can get downstairs and talk to Freel and Jerry Narron to find out exactly what happened. I don't want to speculate Chris."

DEAD AIR, DEAD AIR, DEAD AIR.

"And speaking of speculation, they'll be speculating down in St Louis on how long Sir Albert will be out. Jimmy Edmonds will be holding down the fort at first until Sir Albert gets back. Sir Albert is expected to miss a couple of weeks. Sir Albert going down is a big loss for baseball, huh?

DEAD AIR, DEAD AIR, DEAD AIR.

My wife could care less about the Reds and she pays very little attention to the sound or the video when the Reds are on TV and she cannot stand George Grande. Usually I have to state my case and explain to her as to why I find certain TV personalities, annoying. I need no explaining with George.

spaethc
06-05-2006, 11:14 PM
as much as I dislike Grande, he is not a dumb man. He is just a bad play-by-play guy.

gilpdawg
06-05-2006, 11:21 PM
as much as I dislike Grande, he is not a dumb man. He is just a bad play-by-play guy.
Agree with this. He seems like a likeable guy as well, he just isn't a good PBP guy, but actually, I've heard lots worse on some of the other local crews.

toledodan
06-05-2006, 11:44 PM
its ok if they don't want them to be homers but why do we always have to hear about the cards even when we're not playing them. it would be like someone from this message board going over to the cards board to discuss the reds during a cards / cubs series.

TOBTTReds
06-05-2006, 11:52 PM
Agree with this. He seems like a likeable guy as well, he just isn't a good PBP guy, but actually, I've heard lots worse on some of the other local crews.

I am one of GG biggest bashers, but only on a pbp stance. I met him at the Winter Meetings this year and when I told him I was from Cincinnati, he stopped and talked to me for about 10 minutes about the Casey deal. He was very nice.

LINEDRIVER
06-06-2006, 12:14 AM
I'll gladly put up with George if I don't have to hear those JTM and Red Roof commercials anymore.

And what's up with the Yogi Berra in the barbershop/Aflac commercial???How may times do we have to see that before we just might start to get tired of seeing it? 5,000 times??? 10,000 times??? I wouldnt do business with Aflac if you put a gun to my head.

If I were King, I would fix the TV broadcasts like this.

The TV games should have two sets of commercials, graphics, music, etc. One set goes one game, the other set works the next game. That would alleviate the same stuff over and over and night after night and day after day.

13 or 14 yrs of George Grande is a bit ridiculous. Time to add another name to the broadcasts.

Here's the plan: Grande is A, Welsh is B, the new guy is C. In Game One A works with B, in Game Two B works with C, in Game Three C works with A. That would help to break up the same ole crap heard game after game. Each broadcaster works 2 out of 3 games.

WMR
06-06-2006, 01:39 AM
The more Welsch noticeably sticks it to Grande the better. Anything that will contribute to getting a new PbP guy.

Newman4
06-06-2006, 08:12 AM
My favorite from last night was when Taguchi threw out Ross at home....

"It's not Edmonds out there, but that throw sure looked like Edmonds" or something close to that. GG is giving props to Edmonds for stuff he didn't even do.

Newman4
06-06-2006, 08:17 AM
\My wife could care less about the Reds and she pays very little attention to the sound or the video when the Reds are on TV and she cannot stand George Grande. Usually I have to state my case and explain to her as to why I find certain TV personalities, annoying. I need no explaining with George.

My wife nevers reads this board, but likes the Reds and sports in general. She was working on some work for her Master's Degree class on her laptop and watching the game with me. All at once, she's like "Why don't they get rid of him (GG) if he wants to root for the Cardinals? All he's talked about is the other team. He's even got the other guy (Welsh) doing it! Can you turn off the volume, I can't concentrate with that man talking!" I just smiled. :laugh:

Tommyjohn25
06-06-2006, 11:39 AM
Pretty much agree with everything on said on this thread. Except for the part about him being dumb. But one "Grandism" I haven't seen mentioned that makes me want to pull my hair out is when he says "nubbed" as in "here's the pitch, swung on and nubbed down to second." How does one "nub" a ball? :confused:

scounts22
06-06-2006, 11:52 AM
To reiterate the points being made about George and his love for the Cardinals, I was watching the game with my sister last night who hates baseball but tolerates it from time to time because we live together. She sat down and had been watching for maybe 5 minutes when she said, "Wow, does this guy (George) always talk about the other teams this much?"

I just busted a gut laughing. When SHE, of all people, notices something like that, you know it's bad!

She also notices my disgust when Rick White comes in to pitch, but that's another story. :D

bucksfan
06-06-2006, 12:47 PM
I honestly never complained about George. But this year, with FSOH carrying the games, maybe it is because of the over-exposure, but he has actually started to get on my nerves as well. In general I am all for the good guys and really don't care if they have their little quirks. But I find his infatuation with the other teams about as irritating as it gets for me. THat play where Taguchi threw out Ross was a classic example.

And I agree that after a gazillion years watching baseball that he should have a better idea if a ball was well hit or not. Seems to never have a clue, and for some reason this year it is starting to bug me. Actually Steve fits into this category as well - and I like Steve - it just seems he never gives an indication a ball is well hit until it goes over the wall. I am not sure whay this bugs me so much, maybe it is coming from the instant excitement and the anticipation it brings when Marty & Joe would give you that initial hope (even if it eventually fell short) when they thought a ball was well-struck. Whatever it is, it is lacking with these 2. But like I said, I like Steve otherwise and George seems an OK guy too. Maybe y'all are putting too many thoughts in my head! ;)

dabvu2498
06-06-2006, 12:55 PM
Ah, a GG bashing for me is like cake to a fat boy. I can't resist.

Tonight should give this thread more fuel for the fire.

"The Reds and the Redbirds coming up next"
"You know, you hate to see an injury to a player having a season like Pujols"
"Eckstein does all the little things right and the little guy plays big"
"Edmonds.......he got it, he got it!"
"Juan Encarnacion,.....you know his story."
You could put together a fabulous George/Creeper drinking game. In fact... let me work on that... hmmmmm

smith288
06-06-2006, 12:57 PM
I honestly never complained about George. But this year, with FSOH carrying the games, maybe it is because of the over-exposure, but he has actually started to get on my nerves as well. In general I am all for the good guys and really don't care if they have their little quirks. But I find his infatuation with the other teams about as irritating as it gets for me. THat play where Taguchi threw out Ross was a classic example.

And I agree that after a gazillion years watching baseball that he should have a better idea if a ball was well hit or not. Seems to never have a clue, and for some reason this year it is starting to bug me. Actually Steve fits into this category as well - and I like Steve - it just seems he never gives an indication a ball is well hit until it goes over the wall. I am not sure whay this bugs me so much, maybe it is coming from the instant excitement and the anticipation it brings when Marty & Joe would give you that initial hope (even if it eventually fell short) when they thought a ball was well-struck. Whatever it is, it is lacking with these 2. But like I said, I like Steve otherwise and George seems an OK guy too. Maybe y'all are putting too many thoughts in my head! ;)
The easiest way to tell if its a long drive or not is to watch the fielder, not the ball. They give the best indication if its going to clear the fence or at least be close.

I dont think Grande understands this very easy hint if you arent clear looking at the balls trajectory. Im pretty sure this is how Marty works because his excitement builds when he notices the fielder turn and run towards the wall like a maniac.

MartyFan
06-06-2006, 02:26 PM
I don't mind Welsch (besides his goofy fake smile) but Grande, to me, is awful. We could do better.

I wish they would can both of them...not because I wish them any ill will but because I just think they are horrible....individually and in tandem.

BCubb2003
06-06-2006, 02:33 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I find Grande to be relatively articulate, with a good voice who keeps the pace of the game going well. I've seen and heard lots worse. However, what does annoy me are the Cardinal lust and the problems with the warning track.

George Grande
06-06-2006, 09:07 PM
Why does everyone hate me? I love my job and just reporting the game. Not everyone who listens is a reds fan. I do not want to offend anyone, I aim to please everyone!

MaineRed
06-06-2006, 09:25 PM
You could put together a fabulous George/Creeper drinking game. In fact... let me work on that... hmmmmm

Good idea. Ever seen the Brent Musberger drinking game? Its hilarious.

Oh, and before I forget, George, welcome to the board. Nice looking site, huh?

http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005660.php

Rule #1: "The Pardner" A person is picked to be the Pardner at the beginning of the game. The first time Brent says "Pardner," the Pardner has to take 1 drink, and then picks someone else to be the Pardner. The next time Brent says it, the new Pardner has to take 2 drinks, and then pick a new Pardner, and so on and so on. The Pardner must wear a special "Pardner" hat.

Rule #2: "Folks" Everyone drinks 1 when Brent says "Folks." However, if Brent says "Hold on Folks", everyone must drink once but the first person to drink has to finish their drink for not holding on.

Rule #3: "It's a foot race!". Whenever Brent says "It's a foot race" everyone has to finish their drink. The first one done becomes "That Man" and gets to punch the Pardner in the arm.

Rule #4: "There's that man again". After someone becomes "That Man," they get to give away 3 drinks to someone of their choosing the next time Brent says "That Man." That person then becomes "That Man." If Brent says "That Man" before "It's a footrace," The Pardner becomes That Man. If The Pardner becomes That Man first, he gets to punch the new That Man in the arm twice after giving away the 3 drinks. There must also be a special hat for "That Man."

Rule #5: "Dr. Pepper". Every time Brent says "Dr. Pepper" everyone has to yell out "I'M A PEPPER!" and take 2 drinks. Afterwards, each person must give out a satisfied "AAAAAAAHHHHH!", as if in a Dr. Pepper commercial. Anyone who fails to do so must drink again.

Rule #6: "Jack Arute". Whenever Brent says "Our ol' buddy Jack Arute" everyone has to say "AROOOOOOT!" Last one to do it has to do a shot. If everyone does it simultaneously, the Pardner must do a shot.

Rule #7: "In the college game". Whenever Brent says this little gem, everyone must say "Shut the **** up Brent", drink 2, and punch the Pardner in the arm.

Rule #8: Mentioning a Big 10 school during a Big 12 game. Whenever Brent does this, the first person who names the Big 10 school's mascot gets to make somebody drink for 11 seconds, since there's 11 schools in the Big 10.

Rule #9: Calling a touchdown before the player actually scores. For example, during an interception return, Brent says "It's a touchdown!" before the player actually scores. In this case, everyone must start drinking and continue to drink until the player actually does score. If by some odd event, the player does NOT score, everyone must finish their drink.

Rule #10: "Gary, my man". Whenever Brent says "Gary, my man", the Pardner gets to choose someone to be Gary. From that point on, that person must be referred to as "Gary, my man" until the game is over. "Gary, my man" gets to give away 5 drinks the rest of the game any time Brent says "Gary, my man". If someone talks to "Gary, my man" without calling him that, they have to do a shot. If there is someone playing the game actually named Gary, that person is automatically "Gary, my man".

Rule #11: "The Major". If Brent has a pet nickname for one of the players during the game, for example calling Major Applewhite "The Major", everyone must drink 5 anytime Brent uses this nickname. However, "Gary, my man" does not drink but gets to give away 5 drinks since this person already has a nickname of their own.

Rule #12: "John Saunders". The first time Brent quips with John Saunders, everyone must drink 1. The next time, everyone must drink 2, and so on and so on.

Rule #13: In the booth. Whenever there's a camera shot of Brent in the booth, the Pardner must make a toast to Brent. After the toast, everyone must drink 1.

Rule #14: "My Friend" Every Pardner gets to choose a "Friend." The friend must always get up to get the Pardner another drink (since the Pardner will be doing quite a bit of that). However, when Brent utters "My Friend" the friend gets to punch the Pardner in the arm for making him get up so much.

LoganBuck
06-06-2006, 09:32 PM
Hearing him defend Rolen's average of .192 with Runners in scoring position with 2 outs, was like drinking bleach.

spaethc
06-06-2006, 10:17 PM
Hearing him defend Rolen's average of .192 with Runners in scoring position with 2 outs, was like drinking bleach.

My head almost exploded when he said that. Then to top it off he made sure to mention Aurillia and how he hits the ball hard and has great at-bats. Listening to him tonight has given me a headache and I dont think I can say that about any sports broadcaster ever.

RedsFan75
06-07-2006, 09:13 AM
I was doing some quick work in my office last night, but I left the TV on. When Rolen made the play to throw out Encarnacion, I didn't see it, but I heard all the excitement from George. I knew the Reds were hitting, and heard the commotion, couldn't hear what was said, so I ran in to the TV to see what had happened, I didn't know if it was an inside the park HR or what! But I knew George was going nuts.

When I found out that it was the Reds runner getting thrown out, I was angry, and upset.

If I knew where to send a letter I would definately write one and send it. I'd send one to FSN Ohio, The Cincinnati Reds FO, owner and all!

Then my wife says, "What did you expect, you think George would get that excited over a Reds play. He didn't get that excited on Freels homer to win."

smith288
06-07-2006, 09:17 AM
I was doing some quick work in my office last night, but I left the TV on. When Rolen made the play to throw out Encarnacion, I didn't see it, but I heard all the excitement from George. I knew the Reds were hitting, and heard the commotion, couldn't hear what was said, so I ran in to the TV to see what had happened, I didn't know if it was an inside the park HR or what! But I knew George was going nuts.

When I found out that it was the Reds runner getting thrown out, I was angry, and upset.

If I knew where to send a letter I would definately write one and send it. I'd send one to FSN Ohio, The Cincinnati Reds FO, owner and all!

Then my wife says, "What did you expect, you think George would get that excited over a Reds play. He didn't get that excited on Freels homer to win."
rbutcher@cincyreds.com

He is media relations maybe he can push your letter of disgust to the proper dept.

WVRedsFan
06-07-2006, 10:04 AM
I was doing some quick work in my office last night, but I left the TV on. When Rolen made the play to throw out Encarnacion, I didn't see it, but I heard all the excitement from George. I knew the Reds were hitting, and heard the commotion, couldn't hear what was said, so I ran in to the TV to see what had happened, I didn't know if it was an inside the park HR or what! But I knew George was going nuts.

When I found out that it was the Reds runner getting thrown out, I was angry, and upset.

If I knew where to send a letter I would definately write one and send it. I'd send one to FSN Ohio, The Cincinnati Reds FO, owner and all!

Then my wife says, "What did you expect, you think George would get that excited over a Reds play. He didn't get that excited on Freels homer to win."

Although this subject has been beaten to death, I think the fact that almost everyone notices George's blatant "love" for the opposition speaks volumes. I'd like to know the solution to this problem--I really would, but I don't have one. My guess is that George works cheap. In fact, I'd bet the whole FSN crew works cheap.

Look at the production on the other Fox Sports networks and compare it to what we get from FSO. St. Louis, Milwaukee, even Pittsburgh has a more professional broadcast. FSPittsburgh and FSMidWest (StL) are even showing about half their games in high definition. It's ironic that Cincinnati was one of the first teams to have their games shown in color (WLW-T way back in the 60's) and now the team's fans can't have decent pbp or production. Heck, I even think the production way back in 1962 was better than it is today, but it all boils down to money I guess.

Hap
06-07-2006, 03:25 PM
Why does everyone hate me? I love my job and just reporting the game. Not everyone who listens is a reds fan. I do not want to offend anyone, I aim to please everyone!

ned flanders

RedFanAlways1966
06-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Although this subject has been beaten to death, I think the fact that almost everyone notices George's blatant "love" for the opposition speaks volumes. I'd like to know the solution to this problem--I really would, but I don't have one. My guess is that George works cheap. In fact, I'd bet the whole FSN crew works cheap.

I don't know, WV. Must be a reason that George emcees the Hall induction ceremonies each year. That is a pretty big gig (and nationally televised). I think some people in the baseball world appreciate George.

WVRedsFan
06-07-2006, 04:21 PM
I don't know, WV. Must be a reason that George emcees the Hall induction ceremonies each year. That is a pretty big gig (and nationally televised). I think some people in the baseball world appreciate George.

I'm sure that to the people who are fans of no specific team, George is fine by them. To specific fans of any team (unless it was the Cardinals or whoever was playing that specific team), he'd drive them crazy. He has a good TV/radio voice and a pleasant appearance.

macro
06-07-2006, 10:52 PM
I met him at the Winter Meetings this year and when I told him I was from Cincinnati, he stopped and talked to me for about 10 minutes about the Casey deal. He was very nice.

I had a similar experience when the team was still playing at Riverfront. I was walking alone on the crosswalk that connected the city to the stadium, and met George coming the other way. I said "Hey, George" and was going to let it go at that, figuring that he valued his space. Instead, he stopped and we struck up a brief conversation about the ominous black clouds that were hanging overhead. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised, and it left me with a very favorable impression of the guy.

Homer Bailey
09-01-2006, 02:38 PM
I put the games on mute and just listen to marty...

markymark69
09-01-2006, 02:58 PM
I have struggled at times listening to George this year, more so than in years past. Agree with everything that has been written, except (like others) that he is dumb.

Since he has been with the Reds, the only time I have seen George where he was in his element was emceeing the Reds Jeopardy game at Redsfest a couple of years back. He does those type things very well.

He is not bad at interviewing, but play-by-play is a struggle for him and that's bad when that is the biggest part of your job.

jimbo
09-01-2006, 03:04 PM
I'm sure that to the people who are fans of no specific team, George is fine by them. To specific fans of any team (unless it was the Cardinals or whoever was playing that specific team), he'd drive them crazy. He has a good TV/radio voice and a pleasant appearance.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I am as big a Reds fan as anyone and I have no problem with George, even though I am in the minority here. I have several friends who also are big Reds fans and watch all of the games and they have no problem with him. The majority here who don't like him may give the impression that he is not well liked generally because they talk about it constantly, but I would bet the majority of Reds fans overall actually like him.

creek14
09-01-2006, 03:06 PM
I admit that Geo drives me a little (lot) crazy.

But it's a pretty sad commentary on the state of things when a guy is dogged (I'm as guilty as anyone) for being nice.

Always Red
09-01-2006, 03:11 PM
I think that George just truly appreciates well played baseball, which is why he gets so excited about the opponent's play from time to time.

George Grande is a very nice man; I generally like to listen to him and Chris. Welsh is especially good at explaining things from a players view, IMO. I also tire of hearing the "Sir Albert" type stuff that all above refer to, but really, I think he and Welsh do a pretty good job, all in all.

My preference is to listen to the game on the radio, and be doing something else worthwhile at the same time. If there's something I really need to see, I run to the TV I have on in the other room, make the kids turn the channel (OK, ask the kids nicely to please turn the channel) and watch the replay.

Sometimes I'll watch the whole thing if I have nothing else to do. That used to be easier to do when games were of shorter time length. Most evenings I actually do a combo of watching FSN and listening to Marty and Steve.

FWIW, if Steve is gone, there might be more changes in store during the offseason. Steve just asked that they decide quickly and let him know. I think if Grande gets fired, he's such a personable guy, and so well connected, that he'll be working right away again in the game.

Who knows, after listening to those podcasts, TC might make a good color man on the radio?? He sounded like he knew what he was doing!:thumbup:

TeamBoone
09-01-2006, 05:14 PM
I've always liked George, especially after seeing him in action personally at RedsFest on several occasions. He is the master. He's also been around baseball for a long long time and he does pretty much know his stuff, off the top of his head even.

Until I joined this board, it never occurred to me that he isn't any good.

MartyFan
09-01-2006, 05:16 PM
Until I joined this board, it never occurred to me that he isn't any good.

LOL!

Thank God for all the good people here on RedsZone who can tell us what is good/bad, right/wrong! :laugh:

RANDY IN INDY
09-01-2006, 05:17 PM
LOL!

Thank God for all the good people here on RedsZone who can tell us what is good/bad, right/wrong! :laugh:

No shortage of that.;)

Ravenlord
09-01-2006, 05:18 PM
i like George in very small doses and then only when those doses don't involve the Cardinals. in small doses you can pick up on his infectious excitment for good baseball.

but listening to Grande day in and day out gets old. i like Chris Welsch a lot though.

WMR
09-01-2006, 05:50 PM
Any west coast swing involving the Dodgers which allows me to hear the inimitable Vin Scully makes the return to Grande all the more difficult.

George seems like a REAL SWELL guy, but I'm ready for a change in the booth.

Team Clark
09-01-2006, 06:11 PM
Well I can let you in on a secret. I guess it's a secret. Fox is currently taking audition tapes for the 2007 Reds broadcast. They are planning on adding a 3rd person to the booth becuase the Creeper is whining about doing 145 games. After that info was given they said "we may even replace someone depending on the quality of tapes we receive, adding two new broadcasters". I was directly involved in a conversation with Fox for someone else's benefit. We even followed up today. (Fri) They intend on meting with "Reds management" to discuss a "myriad" of issues that were unresolved in contract negotiations. Apparently there are a few peple in the Reds organization that think they run Fox as well as the Reds. I wish I could be a fly on the wall for that showdown. I found that conversation to be a lot of fun since I never really get to talk to TV folks that high on the chain. This little tidbit was dolled out freely and somewhat out of frustration IMO.

REDREAD
09-01-2006, 06:31 PM
ON Dunn by Reds Radio - Well folks, some say look at the home runs and I say look at the strikeouts and batting average.
.

And RBIs.. Marty likes to compare Dunn's RBI's to other teams' cleanup hitters, despite the fact that Dunn has spent some time in the #2 and #5 slot, and despite the fact that the Reds haven't exactly had great OBP out of their #1 and #2 hitters this year (Freel in August, Clayton, etc)

Unassisted
09-01-2006, 06:46 PM
Well I can let you in on a secret. I guess it's a secret. Fox is currently taking audition tapes for the 2007 Reds broadcast. They are planning on adding a 3rd person to the booth becuase the Creeper is whining about doing 145 games. After that info was given they said "we may even replace someone depending on the quality of tapes we receive, adding two new broadcasters".

That should be welcome news to most of the posters in this thread. Changes are a comin' to the broadcast booths.

Brutus
09-01-2006, 06:52 PM
I've always thought George Grande sounds more than happy to be an announcer doing Cincinnati Reds' games. But even if he weren't, he isn't paid to be a homer. He's paid to do play-by-play and provide as much a descriptive and entertaining performance as possible. Truthfully, while I don't mind a little partiality one way or another, I'm glad he's not perceived to be a homer.

Team Clark
09-01-2006, 07:02 PM
That should be welcome news to most of the posters in this thread. Changes are a comin' to the broadcast booths.

Not that the people I was speaking with needed any support, but I gave it to them anyway.:thumbup:

redsmetz
09-01-2006, 07:28 PM
My biggest beef with Chris Welsh is he couldn't find an adverb if he tripped over it. Everyone one of his English teachers at St. X must scream everytime he fails to use one! :D

Wyatt Earp
09-01-2006, 08:57 PM
[QUOTE=WilyMoROCKS;1148167]Any west coast swing involving the Dodgers which allows me to hear the inimitable Vin Scully makes the return to Grande all the more difficult.

I could listen to Vin Scully every night and i am in no way a Dodgers fan.I think he is the best i have ever heard.He seems to be able to tell a story about every player on every team.He is the best.

Always Red
09-01-2006, 10:54 PM
They are planning on adding a 3rd person to the booth becuase the Creeper is whining about doing 145 games. After that info was given they said "we may even replace someone depending on the quality of tapes we receive, adding two new broadcasters".

LOL- complain enough and you just may find yourself out of a job, eh?

What is it with broadcasters that object to working all 9 innings or all 162 games? I don't think I get that, to be honest with you all. I know the season is a grind; I understand that. But these are jobs that people would dearly love to have, and the season is 8 months long if your team goes to the WS, including spring training. That's only working two thirds of the year. Sign me up!

:help:

Team Clark
09-02-2006, 12:35 PM
LOL- complain enough and you just may find yourself out of a job, eh?

What is it with broadcasters that object to working all 9 innings or all 162 games? I don't think I get that, to be honest with you all. I know the season is a grind; I understand that. But these are jobs that people would dearly love to have, and the season is 8 months long if your team goes to the WS, including spring training. That's only working two thirds of the year. Sign me up!

:help:


Great question. I think I could handle it. I wish I was good enough to do that sort of thing. I know the viewers would be better educated and WANTING to tune into the game. I would have to throw Grande out of the booth at some point. I just couldn't take it.

paulrichjr
09-02-2006, 04:52 PM
I never got to see ANY Reds games until this season when Fox Sports South started showing the Reds games. Personally I have no problem with George. I don't understand the big deal everyone makes. I like to listen to Marty more but I just don't think he is as bad as you guys make him out to be.

As far as his deal about not mentioning the full name of Fox's late night show, "the Best..." I actually like that he doesn't. I would imagine that he uses his head and realizes that there are a lot of kids watching the game - like my 7 and 11 year old boys.

I guess George is the new Rich Aurilla since you can't pick on him anymore...

RANDY IN INDY
09-02-2006, 06:04 PM
The "In your face" use of words that shouldn't be used around children, or for that matter, adults, in our society today is just more reason for the decay of what is proper. The fact that George Grande refuses to use that word makes me respect him and what he stands for, regardless of what kind of baseball announcer that he is. Kudos to George for being a "stand-up" guy in that regard.

redsmetz
09-02-2006, 08:16 PM
One thing I've noticed and I've watched highlight clips of the Reds games, it's interesting to hear the flatness of the other team's announcers on big plays for our guys. On the away games, that's who they play and it's disappointing to have to listen to their folks downplay a good play.

I know one of the beefs against Grande is that he seems to cheer for the other team. I'm wondering if perhaps he recognizes that some of his viewers are fans of the other team and is trying to make his announcing more "even", if you will.

Cedric
09-02-2006, 08:30 PM
One thing I've noticed and I've watched highlight clips of the Reds games, it's interesting to hear the flatness of the other team's announcers on big plays for our guys. On the away games, that's who they play and it's disappointing to have to listen to their folks downplay a good play.

I know one of the beefs against Grande is that he seems to cheer for the other team. I'm wondering if perhaps he recognizes that some of his viewers are fans of the other team and is trying to make his announcing more "even", if you will.

I have no problem with that to an extent. It's his job to announce the baseball game. Marty does a great job of doing that exact thing. He let's you know he is dissapointed after the play, but during he is tremendous in doing his job.

BCubb2003
09-02-2006, 08:42 PM
George just has a chipper-sounding voice. Pay attention to his vowels. It's not that he's happy at something good for the other team or something bad for the Reds, but when he tries to do a little groan as in "It's gonna be ga-hn" or "He ga-ht it" his voice goes up and he sounds even peppier.

Bob Winters
09-02-2006, 11:34 PM
From wikipedia.org:

George Grande (pronounced "grand") is an American sportscaster who hosted the first broadcast of SportsCenter on ESPN in 1979. In the early years he served as host of the baseball magazine program that evolved into the current Baseball Tonight program on ESPN.

Grande has been the TV play-by-play announcer for Major League Baseball's Cincinnati Reds since 1993 for Fox Sports Net, teaming with former player Chris Welsh to form the longest-running TV broadcasting partnership in team history. However, it has long been a custom of Reds fans to turn down the sound on the FSN Ohio broadcast and listen to Marty Brennaman and Steve Stewart's radio broadcast on 700 WLW AM.

Grande has often served as master of ceremonies for the National Baseball Hall of Fame's annual inductions.

He graduated from the University of Southern California in 1969, where he won the 1968 College World Series while playing for USC's prestigious baseball program. While at USC he played with 14 future Major Leaguers, including Hall of Famer Tom Seaver and slugger Dave Kingman.

Grande is on the board of directors for USA Baseball.

Cooper
09-03-2006, 02:21 AM
I think Welsh is really good--i also believe Grange does noy bring out the best in Welsh.

It's kinda like going out on a date with a gal that is laking in the IQ department--after a while there's not much to talk about even if you are the one with the high IQ. You can only talk about Passions (the soap opera) for so long....just being around her makes you feel dumb too.

Welsh brings up stuff that's really interesting and Grande doesn't even repond (out of niceness?)--

I cannot remember grande hving an opinion on anything substantial. Been listening to the guy for 15 years and i never really heard him say anything too deep with any real insight.

He is a good human being and that counts for a lot --surely there's more there....right?

redsrule2500
09-03-2006, 03:24 AM
Until I joined this board, it never occurred to me that he isn't any good.


I'm in that boat. But now it annoys me with his praise of other teams such as "Sir Albert".

I guess I have nothing against him.

redsrule2500
09-03-2006, 03:26 AM
One thing I've noticed and I've watched highlight clips of the Reds games, it's interesting to hear the flatness of the other team's announcers on big plays for our guys. On the away games, that's who they play and it's disappointing to have to listen to their folks downplay a good play.

I know one of the beefs against Grande is that he seems to cheer for the other team. I'm wondering if perhaps he recognizes that some of his viewers are fans of the other team and is trying to make his announcing more "even", if you will.


haha I prefer when they downplay a Reds homer for example, just shows they are angry and 'rubs it in' :thumbup: lloll

Tony Cloninger
09-03-2006, 07:20 AM
The people who "really, really like" George (who basically sounds like a continous loop of Sally Field's "you really, really liked me" Oscar speech) keep saying they are glad he is not a "homer".

But he is, he is ...a homer.....for the other team.

I mean how hard is it....to either not cheer as much or talk about non-stop, about the other team.....or be as excited for the team you cover as you are for the other one.

No one wants a Ken Harrelson.....but this year, with the team in a real race for a division or WC, he could be more pumped for it.

I do not bash him for being nice.....i think he fits the percieved idea of what a Midwestern person is like......he could be the Vin Scully of the midwest if he wanted to, beacuse of his stories.

redsrule2500
09-03-2006, 12:08 PM
The people who "really, really like" George (who basically sounds like a continous loop of Sally Field's "you really, really liked me" Oscar speech) keep saying they are glad he is not a "homer".

But he is, he is ...a homer.....for the other team.

I mean how hard is it....to either not cheer as much or talk about non-stop, about the other team.....or be as excited for the team you cover as you are for the other one.

No one wants a Ken Harrelson.....but this year, with the team in a real race for a division or WC, he could be more pumped for it.

I do not bash him for being nice.....i think he fits the percieved idea of what a Midwestern person is like......he could be the Vin Scully of the midwest if he wanted to, beacuse of his stories.

I've gotta believe he's a Reds fan. He is more excited, not as noticeably, but more excited. This is my main concern with Steve Stewart. He is not a Reds fan at all, and even though he's being paid by them - he couldn't care less if they win or lose...

gm
09-03-2006, 08:26 PM
they said "we may even replace someone depending on the quality of tapes we receive, adding two new broadcasters"

This could just as easily mean the Creeper gets the heave-ho and George winds up breaking in the newbies. Grande's "StL connection" with Bob C. just might make him the teflon man

(Let's hope not)