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harangatang
06-05-2006, 06:06 PM
This year Kearns is very quietly putting together a really nice season and I'm surprised it hasn't gained any attention. His stats are .291/.371/.539/.910 with 12 HR, 60 hits, 15 doubles, 38 RBI and 37 runs scored. He is on pace to have a monster season in scoring 108 runs, 176 hits, 44 doubles, 35 HR, 111 RBI. Not to mention he is playing Gold Glove right field in only committing 1 error all season while playing extremely good and solid defense and having a cannon for an arm. I think we are starting to see the old Kearns of 2002 shine through after a few years of injuries.

PickOff
06-05-2006, 06:17 PM
If he keeps on his current pace he will be the Reds MVP (not including pitching). It is the OBP that is impressive to me. He has been much more selective of late.

RedsManRick
06-05-2006, 06:46 PM
Let's hope he continues to not get attention. Let pitchers think they're avoiding Dunn and Junior. I must say though, I think he's really benefitted from having Dunn and Hatteberg on base ahead of him. He's really doesn't have much pressure on him right now and between that and his health, he really seems comfortable.

Reds1
06-05-2006, 06:52 PM
He's caught my attention. It's really the Kearns I expect all along. It's not gaudy enough numbers for national attention though. We are so much better off with him and Wily Mo gone. With Freel and even dino down on the farm he was expendable. Boy oh boy has Arroyo worked out. The way Yan looked his 1st two outtings we have a genis at the helm. Knock on wood! I don't want to jinx him. :)

gm
06-05-2006, 07:00 PM
The last time I compared AK to Al Kaline his career took a dive, so I'm not gonna do that again

(oops)

Mario-Rijo
06-05-2006, 07:18 PM
That's great news, what's even better news is that he has room to improve. I still believe he needs his eyes checked, sometimes it's as if he doesn't see the ball out of the pitchers hand that well especially w/ sliders away. Marty commented on it (sorta) a few days ago "he swings through so many good pitches" of course I'm paraphrasing as it wasn't his exact words but close enough.

That and if he would quit trying to kill every pitch, but I have seen some improvement there w/ 2 strikes on him as he hasn't been trying to pull the outside pitches he is going with the pitch far more often.

oregonred
06-05-2006, 07:43 PM
AK -- I thought FCB had him shipped out of town post haste a couple weeks ago :D

For the record -- Given his injury history and upcoming bigtime spike in salary, I agree with the idea shopping him to see what kind of haul we could get (sell high) in return.

With Griffey's contract, unless we're talking a meaningful payroll bump next season -- I can't see how the Reds can keep Dunn/Kearns in the fold for '07/'08.

TylerScottDavis
06-05-2006, 08:48 PM
AK -- I thought FCB had him shipped out of town post haste a couple weeks ago :D

For the record -- Given his injury history and upcoming bigtime spike in salary, I agree with the idea shopping him to see what kind of haul we could get (sell high) in return.

With Griffey's contract, unless we're talking a meaningful payroll bump next season -- I can't see how the Reds can keep Dunn/Kearns in the fold for '07/'08.

That being said...trade Dunn :eek:

TeamSelig
06-05-2006, 08:49 PM
I think Kearns will end up with about 40 doubles and 30 HRs. Pretty good if you ask me.

TOBTTReds
06-06-2006, 12:07 AM
Marty commented on it (sorta) a few days ago "he swings through so many good pitches" of course I'm paraphrasing as it wasn't his exact words but close enough.


he is going with the pitch far more often.

He is one of the worst mistake pitch hitters I have ever seen! Which makes me surprised everytime he hits very good pitches for opp HR's or gap doubles. I don't understand him period. I think his swing is ugly, he can't hit an inside pitch, yet he has these numbers. I wonder if other teams just don't know how to pitch him. Why don't they bust him in more? I would never throw an outside pitch to him unless it is a setup. I think about 9 of his HR's are to opposite field on outside pitches. He is doing great right now...hope he can keep it up.

As far as the "gold glove" fielding someone mentioned, I wouldn't dare say that. Few errors in the OF doesn't mean good fielding. He had two balls in Washington in his glove and out that could have very easily been errors. But he is very solid anyway. You know who leads the league in OF assists? He must be a great OF'er too. Hint: he was a 2nd baseman last year.

WVPacman
06-06-2006, 12:16 AM
I hope they don't start talking about his great start on tv b/c if everybody starts talking about him I think he will start pressing and ruin what COULD be a great year for him.I hope he stays under the radar b/c if he does then I see a monster year for Kearns.:beerme:

Caveat Emperor
06-06-2006, 03:54 AM
That and if he would quit trying to kill every pitch, but I have seen some improvement there w/ 2 strikes on him as he hasn't been trying to pull the outside pitches he is going with the pitch far more often.

Austin Kearns, when behind in the count:

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO OBP SLG AVG OPS
54 11 11 4 0 2 5 21 0 20 .228 .389 .204 .617
Rich Aurillia is best on the team, incidentally, when he's behind in the count with an OPS of .943 -- followed by Freel (.900), Ross (.895), Encarnacion (.807) and Griffey (.778).

Fun Austin Kearns fact for the day: Austin absolutely ROCKS when he makes contact on the first pitch

AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS
26 0 13 3 0 3 25 10 .500 .483 .962 1.444

Topcat
06-06-2006, 04:40 AM
I have noticed that is why he has been off my bench in my keeper league for quite some time. With that in mind I still trade him for a solid number 3 starter, due to the fact in my league pitching is gold. This is also true in the majors and Bronson is proof an decent 3rd combined with the right offense can skyrocket a team into contention. I would miss Austin on the Red's alot but this Jim Coombs kid has to get a push now and live up to the hype ;)

Jpup
06-06-2006, 06:34 AM
kind of sounds like some of you are rooting against him. He is an amazing outfielder and becoming the player that I thought he would be. you don't trade your best outfielder and one of your top hitters. I hope he's on the Reds for the next 10 years. Now is the time to lock him up to, at least, a 3 year deal. It would be a sad day if the Reds traded him for anything other than a proven ace starter.

KronoRed
06-06-2006, 04:23 PM
With Griffey's contract, unless we're talking a meaningful payroll bump next season -- I can't see how the Reds can keep Dunn/Kearns in the fold for '07/'08.
Milton will fall off after next year so that will help, JR will be gone in 09..it's possible to work deals for Dunn and Kearns.

harangatang
06-06-2006, 05:28 PM
Fun Austin Kearns fact for the day: Austin absolutely ROCKS when he makes contact on the first pitch

AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS
26 0 13 3 0 3 25 10 .500 .483 .962 1.444How is it possible for a player to a lower OBP than BA? Just asking...

TOBTTReds
06-06-2006, 05:50 PM
How is it possible for a player to a lower OBP than BA? Just asking...

Sacrifices

TOBTTReds
06-06-2006, 05:57 PM
He is an amazing outfielder

Amazing?? Amazing is Torri Hunter or Andruw Jones. Kearns makes the plays he is suppossed to make, with the exception of a couple. He doesn't make amazing plays, he doesn't make any diving plays with the exception of a couple in front of him. He makes solid plays, when the ball is hit to him, I don't focus in on him all the time to make sure he holds on to it like Dunn. Amazing is gold glove quality, we are getting very out of hand here calling Kearns an amazing fielder.

oregonred
06-06-2006, 06:49 PM
Milton will fall off after next year so that will help, JR will be gone in 09..it's possible to work deals for Dunn and Kearns.

Agree it is possible, but does it make sense? The issue is allocation of limited resources to areas that will require more $$$.

1) Harang is cheap now and getting more expensive all the time (priority 1)
2) FeLo will be get prohibitively more expensive (probably priroity 2a)
3) Arroyo is signed cheap through '08, but then what (Arroyo himself or second rotation anchor -- priority 2b)
4) Dunn is $12M + a year with '08 option

In other words, if you prioritize an ~$70M payroll for 2008/2009, where does it get allocated -- i doubt you could spend $10M+ for two OF in a small/mid market, $10M+ for a SS and $8-10M for a couple of above average rotation members.

Service time escalation unfortunately dictates that one of Dunn/Kearns will need to be moved. The question is which is more core to the franchise long term and when is the optimal point in time to maximize your return?

harangatang
06-06-2006, 09:12 PM
Service time escalation unfortunately dictates that one of Dunn/Kearns will need to be moved. The question is which is more core to the franchise long term and when is the optimal point in time to maximize your return?That sounds awfully reminiscent of the A's with Hudson/Mulder/Zito situation a couple years ago. Hopefully the Reds will trade the one with most value at the time and hope the other lives up to their capabilities while using them as a building block for the future hopefully in Bruce and Stubbs.

Jpup
06-07-2006, 06:42 AM
Amazing?? Amazing is Torri Hunter or Andruw Jones. Kearns makes the plays he is suppossed to make, with the exception of a couple. He doesn't make amazing plays, he doesn't make any diving plays with the exception of a couple in front of him. He makes solid plays, when the ball is hit to him, I don't focus in on him all the time to make sure he holds on to it like Dunn. Amazing is gold glove quality, we are getting very out of hand here calling Kearns an amazing fielder.

you must not watch many games. No, he isn't Andruw Jones, but he's a very, very good fielder with a rocket for an arm.

TOBTTReds
06-08-2006, 10:37 AM
you must not watch many games. No, he isn't Andruw Jones, but he's a very, very good fielder with a rocket for an arm.

I think I've seen every game on TV this year, and been to a few day games that weren't on. I agree with your statement above as you have toned it down slightly. He has a rocket, and I'll add he has great accuracy too.

Anyway, why do you say I haven't seen him play much, what did you disagree with in what you quoted?

RANDY IN INDY
06-08-2006, 11:35 AM
Pertaining to defense:

(1) Some players are in a class all their own. (2) Some players make easy plays look difficult. (3) Some players make difficult plays look easy. (4) Some players you must watch over the course of a season to appreciate.

I would say that #3 and #4 would apply to Austin Kearns. Good routes, great fundamentals, superior arm and accuracy.

RFS62
06-08-2006, 11:43 AM
Pertaining to defense:

(1) Some players are in a class all their own. (2) Some players make easy plays look difficult. (3) Some players make difficult plays look easy. (4) Some players you must watch over the course of a season to appreciate.

I would say that #3 and #4 would apply to Austin Kearns. Good routes, great fundamentals, superior arm and accuracy.


Totally agree.

I'm so glad we traded Wily Mo instead of Austin.

TOBTTReds
06-08-2006, 12:24 PM
Pertaining to defense:

(1) Some players are in a class all their own. (2) Some players make easy plays look difficult. (3) Some players make difficult plays look easy. (4) Some players you must watch over the course of a season to appreciate.

I would say that #3 and #4 would apply to Austin Kearns. Good routes, great fundamentals, superior arm and accuracy.

I completely agree as well. I get frustrated when people say Eric Byrnes is a great CF'er. He is definitely a #2. I think Kearns falls into #3 for balls directly over his head and directly in front of him. And he is a #4 as well because he doesn't make the highlight reel catch like Byrnes or Edmonds, but he makes everyplay he should (with the exception of those two in Washington. I'm still hung up on those because they were in his glove and he flat dropped em. I'll get over it eventually. But they were both very similar to Dunn's drop on Tuesday night.)

RANDY IN INDY
06-08-2006, 12:36 PM
I completely agree as well. I get frustrated when people say Eric Byrnes is a great CF'er. He is definitely a #2. I think Kearns falls into #3 for balls directly over his head and directly in front of him. And he is a #4 as well because he doesn't make the highlight reel catch like Byrnes or Edmonds, but he makes everyplay he should (with the exception of those two in Washington. I'm still hung up on those because they were in his glove and he flat dropped em. I'll get over it eventually. But they were both very similar to Dunn's drop on Tuesday night.)

Defensively, kind of "Kaline-esque," wouldn't you say?