View Full Version : LaRue is too expensive to be part of three-way platoon

06-06-2006, 06:24 PM
Ross is now catching Milton. Wither LaRue? I'm not arguing who's better here, but I do know who's paid the most. If LaRue plays 110 games a year, I think he's worth his salary. But if he's gonna be an equal in a 3 way platoon, he's not worth it. Anybody think he'll be moved? Who needs a catcher besides the Yankees? Philly?

06-06-2006, 06:29 PM
I'm as big a Larue fan as anyone but as long as Ross is scorching hot like this I say ride him, even if it means letting Larue and his big salary work it out from the bench. The Reds are trying to stick with the Cardinals and that's going to have to take precidence IMO over Larue's long or short term trade value. Just because teh Reds go with Ross in teh short term doesn't mean they have to trade Larue either. I have every confidence that Ross will cool down and then a rested Larue can pick up more playing time as the season goes on.

Javy Pornstache
06-06-2006, 06:53 PM
Kevin Kelly was on the beat writer segment last night on Reds radio and basically said that LaRue was pining for a trade. Not in a hateful, demanding way, but more in a low-key "if they don't wanna play me, someone else will". At least that's what I got out of it.

06-06-2006, 07:26 PM
I think Pedro's right. Ross won't hit like this forever, but play him while he's hot. Keep LaRue, though, because you'll need him later in the season. Particularly if the Reds stick around in the race.

06-06-2006, 07:50 PM
Riding a hot streak makes all the sense in the world.

06-06-2006, 07:52 PM
If the Reds can strengthen the pen by dealing a catcher then by all means, do so

06-06-2006, 08:03 PM
L.A., Col., S.D. off the top of my head.

06-06-2006, 08:18 PM
L.A., Col., S.D. off the top of my head.LA seems to be very pleased with Martin and SD with Piazza/Bard

06-06-2006, 08:27 PM
Hope it works out for Larue.

Go Ross! :beerme:

06-06-2006, 10:45 PM
Thanks for coming out, Jason, but we've chosen another candidate.

06-06-2006, 10:55 PM
Thanks for coming out, Jason, but we've chosen another candidate.
He's ok with that, he'll take his 4 million ;)

06-06-2006, 11:19 PM
Hey, where'd my overly simplistic thread title go?

06-06-2006, 11:23 PM
I was just thinking, "I don't remember posting on that thread...." :cool:

06-07-2006, 03:21 AM
I definitely think we should try to trade Larue, if we could get any type of pitching help. Even if Ross does start to slump or his production goes down, it really isn't that big of a deal. Our offense is pretty potent, I don't think losing Larue will really hurt the lineup too much. Any offense we get out of Ross would just be a bonus and we could dump some salary, or pick up another arm.

06-07-2006, 05:09 AM
He's pretty expensive for a backup catcher and I'm not sure how many teams are in the need of a #1 guy right now. He was overpaid when they announced the deal. He seems to want to look at last years results as justification for his terrible start but that's tough on a team to have to put up with a guy in the lineup hitting .170 in hopes that he"works it out". If they can find a deal, let him go.....and take Dunn too.

06-07-2006, 08:12 AM
Who is this LaRue guy everybody is talking about?

06-07-2006, 09:08 AM
I know LaRue was signed by the old regime, but I want to throw this out for dicussion.

I my opinion, unless you can sign a legitimate elite offensive catcher, you're better off just going with an inexpensive defensive-oriented catcher, perhaps on a year-by-year-by year basis. Look at how many rent-a-catchers there are available on a yearly basis (think Benito Santiago in the final years of his career).

I just don't see that many catchers out there that qualify as guys I would sign to long-term deals. (Varitek, Mauer, maybe Michael Barrett... anyone I missed?)

I would much prefer to see that money spent elsewhere (see Reds current bullpen).

I like LaRue, I truly do, but this signing was way overboard.

06-07-2006, 09:36 AM
I like LaRue, I truly do, but this signing was way overboard.

But it really wasn't. Catchers as solid as laRue don't come along that often--good, consistent offensive production, good defense and a solid arm. You simply weren't going to get a catcher with the type of production laRue offers for less than what he signed for.

Sure, his injuries and production this season have been disappointing, but his career numbers speak for themselves.

Johnny Footstool
06-07-2006, 09:40 AM
How quickly we forget that LaRue was a top-5 offensive catcher last season, and a very good offensive catcher in 2003-2004. That's why he got the contract.

The biggest problem is Krivsky allowing Narron to juggle three catchers on the active roster. Ross has been hot, but is performance is completely unprecedented. He's taken so much playing time from Larue that Larue's trade value is now next to nothing.

06-07-2006, 09:54 AM
How quickly we forget that LaRue was a top-5 offensive catcher last season, and a very good offensive catcher in 2003-2004. That's why he got the contract.

I think what you would give up on offense with a cheaper catcher, however, would be nullified by that money being spent more wisely in different places (bullpen).

Roy Tucker
06-07-2006, 10:04 AM
Who was the PTBNL that we gave up for Ross? Has he been named yet?

The Reds certainly have a lot of options:

- Ross has been shined up like a new penny so he could be traded for <mumble>.

- Larue has the track record and could fetch some talent.

- Valentin is coming off a good year last year but the Reds may have waited too long with him.

But I'd like to see them move a catcher soon. 3 catchers with no real #1 is a funky way to run a railroad. I'd think Larue will get significant PT before the year is out.

06-07-2006, 10:21 AM
Ross is definatley on a hot streek and I'd say run with it, till he cools off. However, LaRue has a proven track record and Ross doesn't. Ross has pop in his bat and might be able to produce at LaRues levels in the long run. If you hate LaRue's strike outs now, be prepared to hate Ross's worse because he K's a higher rate than Jason. He also has more errors as a percentage of games played than LaRue.

Don't get me wrong, I like Ross alot and like seeing him get more playing time. But that doesn't mean I want to just hand him the starting position and trade LaRue for a bag of peanuts either.

Valentine has turned into a pretty solid pitch hitter, or at least that is my perception. I saw him hit the game winning, walk-off homer in Cincy, in person, so that might be effecting my judgement. His switch hitting abilities definatley lend something to the mix.

Overall, I don't think you can keep three catchers, keep them playing sharp and make good use of the sallary's involved in the long run.

Danny Serafini
06-07-2006, 10:42 AM
Who was the PTBNL that we gave up for Ross? Has he been named yet?

That was Cody Ross in the PTBNL trade (Ben Kozlowski wound up being that player, by the way). David Ross came in exchange for Bobby Basham.

06-07-2006, 10:46 AM
Larue is the only one of the three that would bring back any sort of appreciable return. I like Larue, his toughness and what he's given to this organization, but if he can yield solid bullpen help, you've got to part ways and roll the dice w/ Ross & Valentin.

06-07-2006, 10:49 AM
LaRue or Valetine should have been traded off season with career numbers at the end of last year. What will we get now?

06-07-2006, 10:54 AM
Despite his part-time role, I don't think Larue's value has dropped much. He's not damaged goods - still the same catcher essentially, but trapped in a logjam.

06-07-2006, 11:10 AM
I really sat and wondered about his role last night as I watched him lounging in the visiting bullpen at Busch. I mean, is there really that little chance he'll get in on a given night?

He has to hold some kind of value. Move him.

06-07-2006, 11:21 AM
3 catchers is not that big a problem offensively since Valentin functions simply as a lefty pinch hitter most games. No difference between having him, Jacob Cruz, or some other lefty hitter.

The real issue is that the Reds (with 12 pitchers) have a short bench and two of the five non-starters are catchers. This cuts down flexibility. Tonight, for example, with EE injured, the Reds will have 4 bench guys, including 2 catchers.

So the Reds should trade a catcher, but if it's Larue now is a bad time. He will pick up offensively and be more valuable then. So I would look to trade him at the July 31 deadline and get him playing time before that.

If they trade Valentin, the Reds will need a new left handed hitter off the bench. Q hasn't hit. Deno is a righty. It makes no sense to have a bench with all righty hitters and Reds simply shouldn't do this.