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M2
06-06-2006, 09:55 PM
And I'm not talking about on the Reds here. The season is more than 1/3 finished and a number of teams need to understand that 2006 is already a lost cause for them. There's also a fair number of clubs on life support who might be in divestiture mode in another month. Here's one man's breakdown of what might be for sale as the trading season swings into full gear.

Firesales R'Us

Kansas City Royals - Part of being one of the worst teams ever assembled is you don't have much of anything to trade away, though I'm sure the Royals are still willing to be persuaded to part with the excremental Jeremy Affeldt in return for some honest-to-goodness talent. Otherwise the most they can offer is veteran filler like Mark Grudzielanek, Reggie Sanders and Doug "My Ball!" Mientkiewicz.

Florida Marlins - The Fish are actually a bit better than their record indicates, still they're nowhere near good. Dontrelle Willis is the most obvious talent for the club to peddle as he'll fetch the most and he's on the verge of making some decent money next year. I suppose Miguel Cabrera could join him on the auction block, but that seems severe even for the Marlins. Otherwise Miguel Olivo is probably the best player they might kick into the trade pool.

Too Dumb to Know They're Dead

Chicago Cubs - A horrible team that's only going to get worse in the coming years. If somebody would take Juan Pierre off their hands, possibly Jacque Jones and Michael Barrett too, in return for some quality young talent (think the Marlins would give back Reynel Pinto and Ricky Nolaso for Pierre? stupid Cubs), that would be a boon. You want some Todd Walker? They got your Todd Walker right here. Yet the real tough calls will come in the pitching staff. What's the point in holding onto Greg Maddux when you suck? Bobby Howry's doing fine right now, but he's expensive and he might fall apart before the franchise is any good again. Then you've got the two sacred cows. If Kerry Wood and Mark Prior could get healthy enough to have a market, the Cubs would be well-served to use them to re-tool the franchise. Someone will pay for those names and a shot at glory. Unfortunately the Cubs are still under the delusion that they're a team that matters.

Tampa Bay Devil Rays - When your franchise goal is to NOT lose 90-plus games for the first time ever and it's once again looking like you'll fall short, it's time to consider an overhaul. The D-Rays have a slew of bats getting ready to hit the majors and no semblance of pitching anywhere in the organization (thus they drafted a bat instead of the all-universe southpaw stud today). The new regime over there hasn't shown itself to be any smarter than the last when it comes to team construction. Sure, they'll probably try to move Julio Lugo (and they won't get much for him). They might put Jorge Cantu on the block, but that's another small return staring them in the face. Everyone knows the D-Rays have one guy who'd garner a big pitching return -- Carl Crawford. He's not even all that good a player, yet he's become this odd sort of sacred cow in Tampa Bay. The club could replace him without losing a beat. There's a number of contenders (the Cardinals, Tigers and Dodgers leap to mind) who might open a vein to get Crawford. This of course means there's no way the D-Rays will trade him.

Los Angeles Angels - They play in a weak division, but there ain't going to be a threepeat for this club. Not even Vlad Guerrero can put this team on his back. None of the prospect bats have been able to add squat. Garret Anderson is near out of gas (he could use a good trading) and Orlando Cabrera is an expensive redundancy with two hot SS prospects waiting in the wings. Kelvim Escobar and Brendan Donnelly might fetch a little something as well. When Darin Erstad gets back I'd suggest trading him to whomever thinks there's anything left in that well too. Mainly what the Angels need to do is clear the decks for an off-season spending spree.

Sucks to Be You

Pittsburgh Pirates - The Bucs are a lot better than folks think. Seriously, the offense (thanks to pleasant surprises like Freddy Sanchez and Jose Castillo) is fairly productive and young pitchers like Zach Duke and Paul Maholm are starting to come around. I'd trade Jack Wilson in a heartbeat and Sean Casey (who's been productive on both sides of 41-game injury) could help a contender or two. Yet David Littlefield can't deconstruct this club. He needs it to pull together to save his job. That's why the most you can probably expect is a deal of Damaso Marte, who'd be a decent target for the Reds. Perhaps the Pirates are insane enough to deal away Craig Wilson or someone's insane enough to deal for Jeromy Burnitz, but I don't see either as likely.

Seattle Mariners - Pat Gillick fiddles in Philly while the Jet City burns. This club has been dead for three seasons now. I'm now convinced the most amazing thing I ever saw was Adrian Beltre's 2004 season. He's easily the worst player to have an amazing season in my 35 seasons of watching the game. Unfortunately for Bill Bavasi, you couldn't trade Beltre for a bucket of fish intestines at the moment. Richie Sexson's doing no better, but there might be a team that will think he'll break out of whatever funk he's in. Unlike Beltre, Sexson's been a consistently good player until now. That leaves guys like Jamie Moyer (who'd fetch a modest return), Gil Meche (I wouldn't want him, but you never know), Raul Ibanez and Carl Everett as the most likely punts. Trading Ichiro is where the franchise eventually will have to go, but I doubt that will happen this season.

Baltimore Orioles - They're not an awful, but they're going nowhere in the AL East. Mind you, the Orioles have been completely unable to trade players for prospects since the franchise fell apart in 1998. No reason to think that will change. If they were able to be honest with themselves, Melvin Mora would make for some prime trade bait. He's a gifted OF who's playing 3B because the O's seem to need to play Jay Gibbons (whom I'd also trade). Mora could help a number of clubs and he'd be one of the more interesting players moved before the deadline if Baltimore wasn't so obsessed with trying to maintain its fourth-place status. Leo Mazzone apparently left his magic wand in Atlanta because he's getting nothing out of this pitching staff. Maybe the Orioles will part with an Eric Bedard or Daniel Cabrera, but another team has got to wonder how much do you want to trade for an arm that's failing under Mazzone?

Washington Nationals - Better than I'd have expected, but this club would need to overachieve just to reach .500. Jose Vidro and Alfonso Soriano (who's having a great season) would be highly coveted if JimBo wants to get his deal on. Livan Hernandez has been awful this season, but there isn't a lot of pitching out there and someone might be willing to take a flyer on him.

Colorado Rockies - Remember those "Who's for real?" articles a month ago? Well, the Rockies weren't. They've got a young team so they might not have a lot on the block. Maybe somebody wants some Jose Mesa. Jason Jennings should probably petition for release from the high-altitude penal colony where he's been held captive that past four-plus seasons. If the Rocks really wanted to make waves they could peddle Todd Helton, but would you let Dan O'Dowd make that deal? I wouldn't.

Not So Fast There Buddy

Oakland A's - The Rangers are beatable, but the A's might not have the offense to catch them. With Rich Harden back they might have enough pitching, but they've got to claw over .500 in the next month or you've got to believe Billy Beane will try to send guys like Mark Kotsay and Jason Kendall to the mattresses.

Minnesota Twins - Truth be told they might be too dumb to die. They aren't a dumb organization in a classic sense of the word, but the club has a lousy offense and no prospects on the horizon who seem likely to help the situation. With much of the pitching staff going off the deep end it's time for the Twins to retool. Could they get something Brad Radke even though he's been awful this year? Quite possibly. Torii Hunter and Luis Castillo could stand to go elsewhere.

Milwaukee Brewers - The offense came together just fine, but the pitching (which had been some of the best in the NL the previous two years) went kaboom. The Brewers have OF prospect bats in AAA so if they can't get the pitching in gear in the next month it might be time to see what Carlos Lee and/or Geoff Jenkins could fetch.

Houston Astros - But Roger Clemens will be back soon. And I ask again, can he hit? Oh, the Astros might get it together for another second half run, but this pitching isn't anywhere near as good as the 2005 model and the offense isn't much of a threat. Too many easy outs. Chances are Houston will refuse to give up on the season until it's too late to cash in some guys they should trade. Brad Lidge and Dan Wheeler might be able to fetch something in the way of offensive talent. Theoretically they could trade Craig Biggio, but he's collecting his 3,000th hit next year so that's not going to happen.

Nugget
06-06-2006, 10:29 PM
Aren't the O's in the AL and I wouldn't have thought that the D'Rays could get their payroll any lower. I agree that the Marlins will probably be peddling Willis but I think he will go to a contender that is willing to overpay. Which brings us down to New York or Boston.

Are the Angels that bad, they seemed to do well against Cleveland on the weekend.

KronoRed
06-06-2006, 10:40 PM
The O's have always been in the AL

westofyou
06-06-2006, 10:58 PM
The O's have always been in the AL
The Orioles are the original Milwaukie Brewers, making Milwaukie the only city to have had 2 teams in both the AL and the NL.

Big Klu
06-06-2006, 11:30 PM
I thought the Orioles were the old St. Louis Browns.

KronoRed
06-06-2006, 11:33 PM
I thought the Orioles were the old St. Louis Browns.
And before that the Brewers

The Yankees were the original AL Orioles.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2006, 11:49 PM
The A's are well in the thick of things and have the parts to make the trades to make the final push.

The Brewers are dead.

The Astros will get healthy and be right there, in the thick of things, in September.

I'd add the Giants to the teams that are dead and don't know it. (Time for the Reds to snag Schmidt to slam the door on the Central?).

Maybe San Diego.

OldXOhio
06-06-2006, 11:54 PM
Firesales R'Us

Kansas City Royals - Part of being one of the worst teams ever assembled is you don't have much of anything to trade away, though I'm sure the Royals are still willing to be persuaded to part with the excremental Jeremy Affeldt in return for some honest-to-goodness talent. Otherwise the most they can offer is veteran filler like Mark Grudzielanek, Reggie Sanders and Doug "My Ball!" Mientkiewicz.



Don't forget Mark Redman. As bad as he's been, he'll draw interest from some contenders (perhaps the Reds?)

M2
06-07-2006, 12:05 AM
I think the A's should be able to get back in the race, but it's go time for them.

The Brewers and Astros are in the exact same boat at the moment and, if anything, the Brewers stand to gain more in terms of injured guys getting back. Houston's offense, as we've seen, is fairly hapless. There's no one waiting in the wings to fix that. Milwaukee at least can cling to the notion that Ben Sheets will come riding in on a white horse and that Doug Davis will get right. I figure both clubs have about three weeks to get moving in the right direction.

Crash Davis
06-07-2006, 12:09 AM
(Time for the Reds to snag Schmidt to slam the door on the Central?).

Schmidt is looking like THE big deadline acquisition to put a team over the hump. What's the price on a pitcher who's going like Schmidt?

How much would you give up to beat out the other contenders for his services?

Wait, FCB...is that Sarah Silverman?

Crash Davis
06-07-2006, 12:22 AM
Jason Schmidt -- update on tonight's game: 8IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 13 K's...so far.

According to Ken Rosenthal, Schmidt won't be traded at all:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5666594

Giants are buyers, not sellers
Eliminate Giants right-hander Jason Schmidt, a potential free agent, from the list of pitchers who might be available at the July 31 non-waiver deadline.

The Giants, who have never dumped veterans for prospects during Peter Magowan's 13-year tenure as owner, expect to compete all season in the N.L. West.

"We're strictly buyers," Giants general manager Brian Sabean says. "I can't see us falling off the map and wanting to be sellers."

Sabean, however, also says that he doesn't expect to offer Schmidt, who ranks eighth in the N.L. with a 2.70 ERA, a contract extension before the end of the season.

The Angels signed right-hander Kelvim Escobar to a three-year, $28.5 million extension last week, but Sabean says it would be unfair to make Schmidt an offer when the Giants' roster includes several other potential free agents.

The list includes not only left fielder Barry Bonds, but also right fielder Moises Alou, second baseman Ray Durham, third baseman Pedro Feliz and left-handed reliever Steve Kline.

"With or without (Bonds), we're going to go through a transformation," Sabean says. "We're going to rebuild and retool at the same time."

The Giants have yet to win more than three in a row or lose more than four in a row this season, but soon could get on a roll: They will face sub-.500 opponents in five of their next six series, and Alou is expected to come off the disabled list Monday night.

Crash Davis
06-07-2006, 12:48 AM
Wow! Make that 16 K's for Schmidt tonight.

I wonder how he racked up that many K's without the help of the steroids he was on a couple of years ago. :sarcasm:

Jpup
06-07-2006, 06:31 AM
I could see Maddux back to Atlanta or possibly to one of the New York clubs. The big question is "What will the Reds do?" The haven't been buyers in so many years and I have no idea what to expect out of Krivsky. He seems very unpredictable. The Reds need a couple or three bullpen arms and another starter. I wonder what will be available to them? I think we can cross out any of the Chicago Cubs' guys. The White Sox are always looking to unload Garland, whom isn't very good, but an upgrade to the back end of the rotation.

Right now I couldn't even guess what's going to happen as far as trades, but I do know that the Cubs and Astros are dead unless the Astros go get some bats in a hurry and the Cubs need everyone really healthy, really fast. Prior should be back within a week to 10 days so that will help. I still don't think they have the team to compete with St. Louis or Cincinnati. btw, Chris Carpenter looked like he could use another couple of weeks.

good post M2.

buckeyenut
06-07-2006, 06:40 AM
[QUOTE=M2]
Kansas City Royals - Part of being one of the worst teams ever assembled is you don't have much of anything to trade away, though I'm sure the Royals are still willing to be persuaded to part with the excremental Jeremy Affeldt in return for some honest-to-goodness talent. Otherwise the most they can offer is veteran filler like Mark Grudzielanek, Reggie Sanders and Doug "My Ball!" Mientkiewicz.
[QUOTE]

Sad thing about this is not even the magical playoff powers of Reggie Sanders are enough to make KC a good team. Seeing that should just eliminate all hope for the franchise for the next 10 years.

buckeyenut
06-07-2006, 06:48 AM
Jason Schmidt -- update on tonight's game: 8IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 13 K's...so far.

According to Ken Rosenthal, Schmidt won't be traded at all:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5666594

Giants are buyers, not sellers
Eliminate Giants right-hander Jason Schmidt, a potential free agent, from the list of pitchers who might be available at the July 31 non-waiver deadline.

The Giants, who have never dumped veterans for prospects during Peter Magowan's 13-year tenure as owner, expect to compete all season in the N.L. West.

"We're strictly buyers," Giants general manager Brian Sabean says. "I can't see us falling off the map and wanting to be sellers."

Sabean, however, also says that he doesn't expect to offer Schmidt, who ranks eighth in the N.L. with a 2.70 ERA, a contract extension before the end of the season.

The Angels signed right-hander Kelvim Escobar to a three-year, $28.5 million extension last week, but Sabean says it would be unfair to make Schmidt an offer when the Giants' roster includes several other potential free agents.

The list includes not only left fielder Barry Bonds, but also right fielder Moises Alou, second baseman Ray Durham, third baseman Pedro Feliz and left-handed reliever Steve Kline.

"With or without (Bonds), we're going to go through a transformation," Sabean says. "We're going to rebuild and retool at the same time."

The Giants have yet to win more than three in a row or lose more than four in a row this season, but soon could get on a roll: They will face sub-.500 opponents in five of their next six series, and Alou is expected to come off the disabled list Monday night.

Not surprising but stupid. I would love to bring Schmidt to CIN this offseason.

If they are buyers, I would be looking long and hard at what we can send their way, even if it hurts. Trades with SF almost always look lopsided against them 2-3 years down the road.

Aurillia, Larue of interest out there maybe?

Edskin
06-07-2006, 07:07 AM
If you're looking for a "this year only" upgrade in the rotation, why not give Seattle a call about Jamie Moyer? I realize he's 600 years old, but he still averages almost 7 innings per start and has an ERA of 3.76. I think he'd be a clear upgrade from Claussen.

schroomytunes
06-07-2006, 07:09 AM
I think our starting pitching is ok at the moment, but I am still of the thinking that we need to acquire a bat and a bullpen guy for the playoffs to be a possibility.

1st acquisition) Acquire Damaso Marte and from the Pirates, he instantly stabilizes the bullpen

2nd Acquisition) Acquire Wes Helms from the Fish, he provides a good bat off the bench and can play a few positions

3rd Transaction) Trade Larue to anyone to acquire a few youngsters

GoReds
06-07-2006, 08:12 AM
Actually, I think the only transactions the Reds should worry about now involve the bullpen. The starting pitching ain't great and if a viable starter becomes available, fine, but the Reds are lacking resources to compete with other teams in a pitching thin market.

On the other hand, one of Larue, Valentin or Ross could be traded for some bully help without really impacting the current makeup of the team. I'd really like to see two quality bullpen arms added.

Possible targets - Rafael Soriano, Gil Meche, Eddie Guardardo (Seattle); Luis Vizcaino (ARZ); Gary Majewski, Tony Armas, Jon Rauch (Washington);

smith288
06-07-2006, 08:48 AM
I like Rauch simply because he is 200 ft tall.

reds44
06-07-2006, 03:32 PM
I think our starting pitching is ok at the moment, but I am still of the thinking that we need to acquire a bat and a bullpen guy for the playoffs to be a possibility.

1st acquisition) Acquire Damaso Marte and from the Pirates, he instantly stabilizes the bullpen

2nd Acquisition) Acquire Wes Helms from the Fish, he provides a good bat off the bench and can play a few positions

3rd Transaction) Trade Larue to anyone to acquire a few youngsters
I agree with 1 and 3 (Marte would be a nice pickup), but no keep Wes Helms away. We have a better version of him in RA.

KronoRed
06-07-2006, 04:24 PM
If you're looking for a "this year only" upgrade in the rotation, why not give Seattle a call about Jamie Moyer? I realize he's 600 years old, but he still averages almost 7 innings per start and has an ERA of 3.76. I think he'd be a clear upgrade from Claussen.
Be an upgrade and not as expensive as Schmidt

I don't think we need another bat, we already have enough and if they would call Deno up we'd have a solid bench top to bottom.

Spitball
06-07-2006, 06:10 PM
If you're looking for a "this year only" upgrade in the rotation, why not give Seattle a call about Jamie Moyer? I realize he's 600 years old, but he still averages almost 7 innings per start and has an ERA of 3.76. I think he'd be a clear upgrade from Claussen.

Jamie Moyer is one of my favorite pitchers. I love the way he pitches. However, he did give up 44 homers in 2004 but only 23 last year and 8 so far this year. With his stuff, he'd have to be dead-on with his pitches at GAB because Safeco is alot more forgiving of mistakes.

M2
06-07-2006, 07:01 PM
Jamie Moyer is one of my favorite pitchers. I love the way he pitches. However, he did give up 44 homers in 2004 but only 23 last year and 8 so far this year. With his stuff, he'd have to be dead-on with his pitches at GAB because Safeco is alot more forgiving of mistakes.

That's the thing, there really isn't a lot of pitching that looks like it's going to hit the market, at least not the kind of pitching that can help a contender. If Oakland fell apart Barry Zito would probably become available. As was posted up a little higher, it doesn't sound like San Francisco's going to shop Jason Schmidt at all.

That leaves you with Dontrelle, Jason Jennings and Moyer as probably the best of a thin lot. It's going to be tough to get any sort of meaningful arm upgrades for the rotation this summer. Going after a young guy, like Brandon McCarthy (mentioned in another thread), might be the best option.

Falls City Beer
06-07-2006, 07:05 PM
Jason Schmidt -- update on tonight's game: 8IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 13 K's...so far.

According to Ken Rosenthal, Schmidt won't be traded at all:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5666594

Giants are buyers, not sellers
Eliminate Giants right-hander Jason Schmidt, a potential free agent, from the list of pitchers who might be available at the July 31 non-waiver deadline.

The Giants, who have never dumped veterans for prospects during Peter Magowan's 13-year tenure as owner, expect to compete all season in the N.L. West.

"We're strictly buyers," Giants general manager Brian Sabean says. "I can't see us falling off the map and wanting to be sellers."

Sabean, however, also says that he doesn't expect to offer Schmidt, who ranks eighth in the N.L. with a 2.70 ERA, a contract extension before the end of the season.

The Angels signed right-hander Kelvim Escobar to a three-year, $28.5 million extension last week, but Sabean says it would be unfair to make Schmidt an offer when the Giants' roster includes several other potential free agents.

The list includes not only left fielder Barry Bonds, but also right fielder Moises Alou, second baseman Ray Durham, third baseman Pedro Feliz and left-handed reliever Steve Kline.

"With or without (Bonds), we're going to go through a transformation," Sabean says. "We're going to rebuild and retool at the same time."

The Giants have yet to win more than three in a row or lose more than four in a row this season, but soon could get on a roll: They will face sub-.500 opponents in five of their next six series, and Alou is expected to come off the disabled list Monday night.


This sounds like protesting too much.

Sooner than later SF will realize they're not in it. It would be seriously wack if the Giants don't sell. Just puts off real competing for another year or more.

M2
06-07-2006, 07:08 PM
This sounds like protesting too much.

Sooner than later SF will realize they're not in it. It would be seriously wack if the Giants don't sell. Just puts off real competing for another year or more.

That's been their M.O. though. As long as they're hovering above .500 they aren't likely to pawn off Schmidt.

Falls City Beer
06-07-2006, 07:11 PM
That's been their M.O. though. As long as they're hovering above .500 they aren't likely to pawn off Schmidt.

You may be right.

But SF is going to have to leapfrog two inarguably better teams in LA and Arizona. That they don't realize they're dead doesn't make it a less stupid MO.

KronoRed
06-07-2006, 07:14 PM
I'd bet more on the Pads winning the west then the Giants.

M2
06-07-2006, 07:16 PM
You may be right.

But SF is going to have to leapfrog two inarguably better teams in LA and Arizona. That they don't realize they're dead doesn't make it a less stupid MO.

I think it's more about when they realize it. At the rate they're going, they may not give up the ghost until August and Schmidt won't clear waivers. The good news for the Reds is they've got an early waivers claim (though Detroit gets dibs before them).

15fan
06-07-2006, 10:03 PM
Barring a collapse tonight, the Reds are going to wake up tomorrow tied for first, coming off a sweep in Saint Louis. The Cards are slumping, and Pujols won't be back for a while. Clemens isn't coming back to Houston for a few more weeks, and even when he does, he won't do much for their popgun offense.

It's time to go for the jugular. Let's not jerk around for another 6 weeks before we get a deal. There's blood in the water, and it's time to go for the kill.

Call up Billy Beane & tell him that Bruce, Bailey, and Wood are all on the table right now. He can pick two of the three, plus any other guy in the minor league system if Barry Zito is in a Reds uniform by the end of the weekend.

Throw down the gauntlet and throw it down with some authority.

buckeyenut
06-07-2006, 11:08 PM
Barring a collapse tonight, the Reds are going to wake up tomorrow tied for first, coming off a sweep in Saint Louis. The Cards are slumping, and Pujols won't be back for a while. Clemens isn't coming back to Houston for a few more weeks, and even when he does, he won't do much for their popgun offense.

It's time to go for the jugular. Let's not jerk around for another 6 weeks before we get a deal. There's blood in the water, and it's time to go for the kill.

Call up Billy Beane & tell him that Bruce, Bailey, and Wood are all on the table right now. He can pick two of the three, plus any other guy in the minor league system if Barry Zito is in a Reds uniform by the end of the weekend.

Throw down the gauntlet and throw it down with some authority.


If you are going to throw down that gauntlet, throw it down for Rich Harden, not for Barry freaking Zito. If our option is Barry Zito, I will take my chances with what we got, especially at that price.

KronoRed
06-07-2006, 11:13 PM
They won't deal Harden, he's cheap and really really good.

Falls City Beer
06-07-2006, 11:14 PM
But Zito's having himself another whale of a year. What's with the Zito hatred? All the guy does is win like crazy.

M2
06-07-2006, 11:32 PM
But Zito's having himself another whale of a year. What's with the Zito hatred? All the guy does is win like crazy.

What you said. 92-56, career 3.48 ERA, he's thrown 213+ IP five seasons in a row and he's on track to do it again. Plus, he only just turned 28. Harden's got a lot of talent, but he couldn't last a full season in 2005 and he's already been on the shelf in 2006. Zito's a horse who can pull your wagon all the way to October.

Mind you, that's probably why Beane doesn't want to trade the guy this summer.

Jpup
06-08-2006, 06:27 AM
What you said. 92-56, career 3.48 ERA, he's thrown 213+ IP five seasons in a row and he's on track to do it again. Plus, he only just turned 28. Harden's got a lot of talent, but he couldn't last a full season in 2005 and he's already been on the shelf in 2006. Zito's a horse who can pull your wagon all the way to October.

Mind you, that's probably why Beane doesn't want to trade the guy this summer.

He would for the right price. I just don't know if the Reds have it, outside of Dunn, of course. I think Billy Beane would trade his grandmother if he thought he could win the deal.

edabbs44
06-08-2006, 07:54 AM
Barring a collapse tonight, the Reds are going to wake up tomorrow tied for first, coming off a sweep in Saint Louis. The Cards are slumping, and Pujols won't be back for a while. Clemens isn't coming back to Houston for a few more weeks, and even when he does, he won't do much for their popgun offense.

It's time to go for the jugular. Let's not jerk around for another 6 weeks before we get a deal. There's blood in the water, and it's time to go for the kill.

Call up Billy Beane & tell him that Bruce, Bailey, and Wood are all on the table right now. He can pick two of the three, plus any other guy in the minor league system if Barry Zito is in a Reds uniform by the end of the weekend.

Throw down the gauntlet and throw it down with some authority.
That's a little too much for Zito. I would start the negotiations at Q and Rick White and work from there. :devil: Actually, one of those guys (Bruce, Homer or Wood) and another minor leaguer should suffice.

MartyFan
06-08-2006, 09:02 AM
Jamie Moyer is one of my favorite pitchers. I love the way he pitches. However, he did give up 44 homers in 2004 but only 23 last year and 8 so far this year. With his stuff, he'd have to be dead-on with his pitches at GAB because Safeco is alot more forgiving of mistakes.

How does the park in SanFran compare to GABP? I ask because of Schmidt.

I am thinking that Moyer may be a better pick up for the following reasons.

1) he is cheaper
2) he is signed only through this year
3) He could be resigned at the end of the year for only a modest increase.

Of course longterm I believe that Schmidt is the best option but for this year and what we have to trade and all that in consideration...I'd go with Moyer and make a play for Schmidt in FA...if moyer performed well and had an interest in returning I'd sign him to a one year deal towards the end of the year...then the rotation would have Harang, Arroyo, Milton, Schmidt, Moyer (in no particular order).

rdiersin
06-08-2006, 09:47 AM
On a more minor note, I would imagine Cesar Itzuris is on the block, considering he has no place to play. If he can show that he is healthy, which I imagine he will be, he could be an interesting piece. One interesting thought would be for the Reds to trade EE and maybe Votto to the Marlins for Willis, and then make a trade for Itzuris. I'm not particularly keen on giving up EE, but moving Lopez to 3rd, Itzuris at SS, and Phillips at 2B would be a pretty sweet infield, defensively.

westofyou
06-08-2006, 09:55 AM
How does the park in SanFran compare to GABP? I ask because of Schmidt. Giant Alleys, however Schmidt was on the other night because he had his changeup back (like Milton) not because of heat, the Reds need some heat.

Krusty
06-08-2006, 10:07 AM
Repeat after me Livan Hernandez. Washington will put him on the block and Krivsky will deal with the baseball devil himself, Jim Bowden.

Another idea....Dunn to the A's for Rich Harden.

Marc D
06-08-2006, 10:22 AM
What if the FO goes the other route and just opens the check book? Who's out there to be had for payroll relief and some minor league filler?

Puffy
06-08-2006, 10:38 AM
So who's on the block?

I know for a fact Jenny is from the block. Oh, and she used to have a little, now she has alot, but she's still Jenny from the block.

Spitball
06-08-2006, 12:23 PM
What you said. 92-56, career 3.48 ERA, he's thrown 213+ IP five seasons in a row and he's on track to do it again. Plus, he only just turned 28. Harden's got a lot of talent, but he couldn't last a full season in 2005 and he's already been on the shelf in 2006. Zito's a horse who can pull your wagon all the way to October.

Mind you, that's probably why Beane doesn't want to trade the guy this summer.

Talk about a pitcher who is fun to watch and could put the Reds in position to control the NL Central! Zito, Arroyo, Milton, Harang, and Elizardo/Claussen would give the Reds one of the top rotations in the National League to go with an outstanding offense. Whoa!

CTA513
06-08-2006, 12:41 PM
I know for a fact Jenny is from the block. Oh, and she used to have a little, now she has alot, but she's still Jenny from the block.

What do they want in trade for her?

KronoRed
06-08-2006, 04:27 PM
Repeat after me Livan Hernandez. Washington will put him on the block and Krivsky will deal with the baseball devil himself, Jim Bowden.

Another idea....Dunn to the A's for Rich Harden.
Harden can't stay healthy, also I doubt the A's give up on him this fast, they have payroll issues.

Livan? don't see him as that much of an upgrade over Milton/Claussen/EZ

Puffy
06-08-2006, 05:03 PM
Harden can't stay healthy, also I doubt the A's give up on him this fast, they have payroll issues.

Livan? don't see him as that much of an upgrade over Milton/Claussen/EZ

Livan is a HUGE upgrade over Milton Claussen or Lizard. He is a big game pitcher who eats innings like he eats doughnuts.

KronoRed
06-08-2006, 05:22 PM
His numbers this year make me think the doughnuts have won the battle

pedro
06-08-2006, 05:25 PM
my car

http://www.nashville.gov/codes/images/codes_trash2.jpg

KronoRed
06-08-2006, 05:26 PM
Looks like a solid vet

pedro
06-08-2006, 05:27 PM
Looks like a solid vet

Yeah, but it's lost its' "wheels" over the years.

Spitball
06-08-2006, 06:26 PM
His numbers this year make me think the doughnuts have won the battle

I read an article on Livan Hernandez when he was with the Giants and the author stated, "He looks like he swallowed Rick Reuschel." You know, he kinda does. :laugh:

RFS62
06-08-2006, 08:44 PM
my car

http://www.nashville.gov/codes/images/codes_trash2.jpg



Sweet. Is it a hemi?

Jpup
06-09-2006, 06:04 AM
Sweet. Is it a hemi?

hemi......:rolleyes:

it looks more like a viper to me.

Dan
06-09-2006, 09:56 AM
I love the idea of getting Zito. I'd even give up one or more of the Wood/Bailey/Pelland triumverate to get him. In fact probably the only young player I wouldn't include in a trade is EE.

Another pitcher that isn't on anyone's radar screen but who might be a solid pick up is Jarrod Washburn (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5995). He's only 3-7, but has a 1.18 WHIP and an ERA that's inflated due to giving up 7 runs in his last start. But he's consistently going 6-7 innings this season while only giving up 2-4 runs a game. He might be had cheap as well.