2006 Official MLB Draft Thread (Day 1)

[Reds Fanatic]

Astros take S. Perez

[lollipopcurve]

Dissecting this draft reveals to me that either Buckley or Krivsky, or both, like college players who have orange uniforms. I'm OK with orange uniforms.

[NewEraReds]

look out, braves take a pitcher from georgia southern :)

[Red Leader]

Indians take Wes Hodges with pick #69.

[OnBaseMachine]

I can't believe LaPorta, Anderson, and King are still available.

[flyer85]

I guess it's a good thing the team on the field is playing well at the moment.

[Doc. Scott]

65. Philadelphia- Andrew Carpenter, RHP, Cal St. Long Beach

Hometown Grants Pass, OR. Huh. And a Dirtbag.

66. Oakland- Trevor Cahill, RHP, California HS

They have to talk him out of going to Dartmouth.

67. Houston- Sergio Perez, RHP, U. of Tampa

Top Division II pitcher in the draft.

68. Atlanta- Dustin Evans, RHP, Georgia Southern U.

Wow, a college guy

69. Cleveland- Wes Hodges, 3B, Georgia Tech

70. Washington- Stephen Englund, OF, Washington HS

[rdiersin]

Lars Anderson, Matt LaPorta, Jordan Walden, and Stephen King still on the board. One of those guys would make me feel much better about the Reds draft.

Jared Hughes as well.

[jmcclain19]

Masterson goes to the Red Sox

[pedro]

Dissecting this draft reveals to me that either Buckley or Krivsky, or both, like college players who have orange uniforms. I'm OK with orange uniforms.


Orange is the new black and brown is the new orange.


Just sayin.

[cincyinco]

Heh..

http://www.francey.org/templates/emeril/emeril2.gif

[Reds Fanatic]

Red Sox take Justin Masterson.

[OnBaseMachine]

Masterson to Red Sox. Great, great draft for them.

[Doc. Scott]

71. Boston- Justin Masterson, RHP, SDSU

Hometown Beavercreek, OH.

72. Atlanta- Robert Fontaine, SS, Daytona CC (FL)

No scouting report.

73. White Sox- Matt Long, RHP, Miami (Ohio)

First college senior pick. I was wrong.

74. St. Louis- Jonathan Jay, OF, U. of Miami (FL)

Actually, a lot of relievers and reliever-profilers taken in round two. Reds weren't the only one.

[Caveat Emperor]

I guess it's a good thing the team on the field is playing well at the moment.

But at least the Reds have Milton Loo... (crickets chirp)

[NewEraReds]

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008895&postcount=16

Not sure how the bolded portion of this post stacks against others, but that doesn't smell of incompetence to me.
if i rem correctly, most are guys who got to the bigs, but werent top guys. just guys who made it through quickly

[rdiersin]

Dissecting this draft reveals to me that either Buckley or Krivsky, or both, like college players who have orange uniforms. I'm OK with orange uniforms.

So next up would be Dallas Buck or Cole Cillespie? OSU has orange in their uniforms. right?

[flyer85]

Masterson gone, I would have much preferred him than Watson

[LoganBuck]

7 homers given up in 41 innings for Watson? His stat line is not pretty.

Player ERA W-L APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV IP H R ER BB SO 2B 3B HR AB B/Avg WP HBP BK SFA SHA
23 Sean Watson...... 4.61 4-3 29 0 0 0/1 11 41.0 42 23 21 17 47 8 0 7 160 .263 0 5 0 3 2

[Caveat Emperor]

68. Atlanta- Dustin Evans, RHP, Georgia Southern U.

He immediately is assigned the nickname "Gramps" in the Atlanta Organization.

[Javy Pornstache]

Matt Long of Miami to the White Sox.

[paintmered]

So we've got so far:

1.) A 5 tool outfielder that probably will struggle with a wood bat

and

2.) A college closer with a plus-4 ERA.

GUESS THE NEXT REDS DRAFT PICK:

A.) A prep two-sport star (debate and squash) with a .500 Pinch Hit batting average.

B.) A college bullpen catcher

C.) Rick White's kid brother Bill.

http://angstudio.com/blog/images/debbie_downer.jpg

[Red Leader]

Cards take John Jay.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cards take Jonathan Jay OF Miami

[flyer85]

The BoSox look to be making a killing. I would rather have Bard and Masterson than Stubby and Watson.

[edabbs44]

This draft has been bad.

[Caveat Emperor]

http://angstudio.com/blog/images/debbie_downer.jpg

Yeah, can't say I'm thrilled about what's gone on today thus far. :thumbup:

[NewEraReds]

7 homers given up in 41 innings for Watson? His stat line is not pretty.
so a guy who doesnt has amazing stuff that you can project or pitchability(and has proven he can pitch)

:bang:

[Red Leader]

Honestly, this draft is pretty bad through the first 2 picks. We better hope some of the picks to follow really, really step it up.

[NewEraReds]

Honestly, this draft is pretty bad through the first 2 picks. We better hope some of the picks to follow really, really step it up.
the bad thing is these arent hs kids that we can at least think will develop as they mature. these are 21/22 yo college guys

[Aronchis]

The Reds must really like Watson's knuckle curve........I mean REALLY like it.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Indians are slow...

[Doc. Scott]

75. Cleveland-

76. St. Louis-

77. Kansas City (beginning of round 3)

78. Colorado

79. Tampa Bay-

80. Pittsburgh-

81. Seattle-

82. Detroit-

83. Boston-

84. Cincinnati

[M2]

Masterson was a guy I specifically didn't like. Glad the Reds didn't pick him.

Is Cedric Hunter still on the board? I'd love to see the team draft him. Jordan Newton, a catcher who can hit, is still on the board. And all Eddie Degerman does is dominate opposing hitters.

[NewEraReds]

with a weird mechanics. it just freaks me out when i watch him pitch.

[flyer85]

The Reds must really like Watson's knuckle curve........I mean REALLY like it.guy can't get out hitters in the SEC but ...

[Red Leader]

Is Cedric Hunter still on the board? I'd love to see the team draft him. Jordan Newton, a catcher who can hit, is still on the board. And all Eddie Degerman does is dominate opposing hitters.

yep, all 3 still available.

[Red Leader]

Break before the supp picks. I wonder if they'll take another break after the only 2 supp picks for this round? I hope not.

Just roll into the 3rd round.

[Doc. Scott]

Kriv picked Justin Morneau in round three. Maybe LaPorta will still be there at #84... but I'm not holding my breath.

[Red Leader]

i think Degerman has been totally undervalued...

[NewEraReds]

Kriv picked Justin Morneau in round three. Maybe LaPorta will still be there at #84... but I'm not holding my breath.
kriv isnt picking

[NewEraReds]

mcbride, c - indians

[Reds Fanatic]

Break before the supp picks. I wonder if they'll take another break after the only 2 supp picks for this round? I hope not.

Just roll into the 3rd round.
I think they rolled right into the 2nd round so I think they will just continue into the 3rd round.

[NewEraReds]

hamilton - 1b - st l

[Doc. Scott]

75. Cleveland- Matt McBride, C, Lehigh

First college catcher taken.

76. St. Louis- Mark Hamilton, 1B, Tulane

77. Kansas City (beginning of round 3) Blake Wood, RHP, Georgia Tech

78. Colorado- Keith Weiser, LHP, Miami (Ohio)

Pronounced "Weezer".

79. Tampa Bay- Nick Fuller, RHP, Georgia HS

80. Pittsburgh- Shelby Ford, 2B, Oklahoma St.

81. Seattle- Anthony Butler, LHP, Wisconsin HS

82. Detroit-

83. Boston-

84. Cincinnati

[jmcclain19]

Mark Hamilton - big 1B power hitter to the Cards

[Caveat Emperor]

I don't care if he went to Tulane -- Mark Hamilton is DEAD TO ME now as a member of the Cardinals organization. :devil:

[Reds Fanatic]

Start of 3rd round

Blake Wood goes to KC.

[NewEraReds]

wood - rhp, georgia tech - kc

[OnBaseMachine]

One of LaPorta, Deggerman, Newton, King, and Anderson will be available to the Reds.

[Reds Fanatic]

K. Weiser LHP Miami to the Rockies.

[CTA513]

it seems like the Redsox have 52,323 draft picks.

:/

[flyer85]

Kriv picked Justin Morneau in round three. Maybe LaPorta will still be there at #84... but I'm not holding my breath.I just can't see the Reds taking a falling Boras client

[Caveat Emperor]

it seems like the Redsox have 52,323 draft picks.

:/

As I said earlier -- so long as the rules surrounding compensatory picks remain the same, baseball is merely paying lip-service to competitive balance issues.

[NewEraReds]

chad tracy too

[Reds Fanatic]

N. Fuller to TB
S. Ford 2B to PITT

[Gainesville Red]

LaPorta:pray:

[Reds Fanatic]

A. Butler to the Mariners.

[Mario-Rijo]

I just can't see the Reds taking a falling Boras client

Oh I can!

[flyer85]

Maybe the Reds will take Tatum here

Oh they did that 2 years ago

[Reds Fanatic]

B. Boesch CF to DET.

[Red Leader]

Reds on the clock.

[NewEraReds]

i think the reasoning was good, give low mkt teams who cant afford to keep their guys picks. but more guys leave from big market teams, so its become a neg thing

[Reds Fanatic]

A. Bates 1B to the Red Sox.

Reds are next.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bates to Boston.

[Red Leader]

M2, the Sox took Aaron Bates. Nice pick.

[NewEraReds]

another college guy. and one ive never heard of

[M2]

Bates to Boston.

Wow, that's exactly where I took him in our mock draft.

[Reds Fanatic]

C. Valaika SS Cal-Santa Barb.

[cincyinco]

MLB says Valaika profiles best as a 2b OR UTILITY GUY!?!?!

[Doc. Scott]

82. Detroit- Brennan Boesch, CF, U. Cal-Berkeley

Stands 6'5".

83. Boston- Aaron Bates, 1B, NC State University

84. Cincinnati- Chris Valaika, SS, UC Santa Barbara

Apparently a good hitter, but probably a 2B or utility guy. Wonderful.

[Red Leader]

Oh MY GOD!

[OnBaseMachine]

This draft blows.

[Javy Pornstache]

Wow, another shortstop.

[NewEraReds]

we must have rock solid pitching depth in our minors ;)

[OnBaseMachine]

Please fire Buckley. Now.

[Mario-Rijo]

Jesus help me. "He may turn out to be a 2B w/ pop or a utility guy"? This is crap!

[Caveat Emperor]

MLB says Valaika profiles best as a 2b OR UTILITY GUY!?!?!

The intern from group sales strikes again. :laugh:

[Red Leader]

Emeril!!!!

I said kick it UP a notch!

[flyer85]

We do need another utility infielder

[NewEraReds]

MLB says Valaika profiles best as a 2b OR UTILITY GUY!?!?!
will fit right in with our other 2 picks. this draft is CRAP

[Gainesville Red]

weird. :dunno:

[GoReds]

There's your Rich Aurilia replacement :rolleyes:

[jmcclain19]

http://www.dailynexus.com/story_images/2004-04-13/dhull13apr04-baseball.jpg

[Reds Fanatic]

Everyone will love this from MLB.COM

He has come back well from a torn ACL last year and is a solid IF with some pop in his bat. He may profile best as a 2B or utility player. So we drafted a utility player.

[NewEraReds]

FIRE Buckley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OnBaseMachine]

Chris Valaika had a 12 bb/47 k rate in 227 atbats this year. Awesome.

[jmcclain19]

http://www.dailynexus.com/story_images/2004-05-28/dl28ma04-base.jpg

[Caveat Emperor]

Ryan Freel just got replaced.

This is like watching a train wreck happen in slow motion. I wish I had that "popcorn" smiley from the peanut gallery to insert now.

[NewEraReds]

and there goes buck

[jmcclain19]

Scouts have had a long time to evaluate Valaika against quality competition. He was on three USA Baseball teams, winning a gold medal in 2001 with the youth national team and a silver medal in 2003 with the Pan American Games junior national team. He earned a gold medal at the World University Games with the college national team in 2004 as an infield reserve behind future first-round picks Jed Lowrie, Troy Tulowitzki and Ryan Zimmerman. However, Valaika hit a speed bump last year when he tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. He has worked hard to come back and doesn't wear a brace on his knee. He's a hard worker with solid-average tools. Most of his success owes to his good hands. He shows quick hands at the plate that generate average power, particularly inviting for a player who should stay in the infield defensively. Valaika's hands work well in the infield, though his range at shortstop is below-average and he's a fringe-average runner. With better patience at the plate, Valaika's power should increase. His makeup is a significant plus. He can play second base and has enough arm for third, making him an ideal utility infielder.

[HotCorner]

Amazing how one sites comments have become the gospel. It's one person's take. Relax.

[Slider]

What next...A DH in round 4???

[westofyou]

we must have rock solid pitching depth in our minors ;)
Crappy draft for pitching right?

Why pick more crappy pitchers? The Reds own the patent.

That said I'm surprised the UCSB has a baseball team.

[NC Reds]

I think he would have been available to Cincy in round 4. Oh well.

[flyer85]

It's anti-moneyball. Focus in on college players with poor stats.

[NewEraReds]

Chris Valaika had a 12 bb/47 k rate in 227 atbats this year. Awesome.
apparently buckley likes college kids with not much room to develop and arent that great to start with

[traderumor]

Y'all are killing me. These threads are always classic. Who seriously knows anything more about this SS than what they just read on mlb.com? And calling for someone to be fired on 3 picks in a draft of 50 guys? Again, you're splitting my side.

[Javy Pornstache]

And Dallas Buck just went to Arizona. I know he had some control problems this year, but was at one time one of the top 10 pitchers in this draft. Even with concerns, if he's there and I am picking between him and a guy who profiles as utility player, I'm going with Buck.

[Red Leader]

The Orioles took Zach Britton, a guy I really liked, with the pick after the Reds.

The D-Backs took Dallas Buck with the pick after that, another good pick.

Texas took Chad Tracy, C from Pepperdine, who also could have been a good pick for the Reds.

This draft is totally awful.

[Gallen5862]

It is thundering here. I don't know how much longer can stay online. Who was third round pick Any info I just know was a ss.

[GoReds]

This draft certainly shouldn't break the bank.

[Javy Pornstache]

The "other" Chad Tracy would have been a great pick for the Reds.

[jmcclain19]

Nats took Stephen King

[Doc. Scott]

85. Baltimore- Zach Britton, LHP, Texas HS

86. Arizona- Dallas Buck, RHP, Oregon State U.

He dropped a round. Was projected in the second.

MLB's announcer guy says "Ore-GON". Dope.

87. Arizona- Kevin Hankerd, LF, USC

88. Texas- Chad Tracy, C, Pepperdine

Son of Jim.

89. San Francisco- Clayton Tanner, LHP, California HS

90. Florida- Torre Langley, C, Georgia HS

Did they hire a Braves guy? Langley is 5-foot-9.

91. Washington- Stephen King, SS, Florida HS.

[NewEraReds]

there goes king to the nats

[Reds Fanatic]

There goes Stephen King another good pick to WASH.

[jmcclain19]

And Dallas Buck just went to Arizona. I know he had some control problems this year, but was at one time one of the top 10 pitchers in this draft. Even with concerns, if he's there and I am picking between him and a guy who profiles as utility player, I'm going with Buck.

Buck lost all of his velocity this year, and was throwing in the high 80s all season. Who knows if he ever gets that back.

[OnBaseMachine]

Stephen King just went to the Nats. Glad the Reds drafted a college SS with horrible plate discipline over a guy with first round talent(King).

[lollipopcurve]

3 college, no HS so far. I think Buckley's drafts have generally been heavy college at the top, so he isn't breaking form.

[Gainesville Red]

If we were gonna take a SS/2B/Utility guy, Adam Davis from Florida is better, and hasn't had a torn ACL. (Once again, showing my bias;) )

[M2]

It's anti-moneyball. Focus in on college players with poor stats.

Line of the day so far.

[Doc. Scott]

92. Milwaukee- Cole Gillespie, OF, Oregon State U.

From the Portland suburb of West Linn.

Another "Ore-GON". Geez.

93. SD- Cedric Hunter, CF, Georgia HS

[tbball10]

the reds just dfa'd felipe and valaika is starting tonight in st. louis

[Mario-Rijo]

:all_cohol , Wow what a freakin' day!

[cincy09]

Crappy draft for pitching right?

Why pick more crappy pitchers? The Reds own the patent.



I couldn't agree more

[NewEraReds]

well, there really is no room to go but up, unless we take a lhp with no left arm ;) seriously, this draft has been horrible and if buckley is around next year, i will no longer be such a krivsky backer

[Red Leader]

Cedric Hunter goes to the Pads.

I liked the Pads draft last year, and I really like it so far this year.

[Caveat Emperor]

Y'all are killing me. These threads are always classic. Who seriously knows anything more about this SS than what they just read on mlb.com? And calling for someone to be fired on 3 picks in a draft of 50 guys? Again, you're splitting my side.

Eh -- it's all reactionary first impression stuff.

Top guys flame out constantly, nobodies become all-stars. Guys outperform their scouting reports sometimes, guys underperform their scouting reports sometimes. That's the way things work in baseball. We all know that, but it doesn't stop us from still living in the moment.

[flyer85]

:all_cohol , Wow what a freakin' day!Looks like I picked the wrong day to give up sniffing glue.

[Doc. Scott]

94. NYM- Joe Smith, RHP, Wright State U.

Sidearm reliever.

[westofyou]

:all_cohol , Wow what a freakin' day!
The great thing about baseball is there's a crisis every day.

Gabe Paul

[tbball10]

you guys havent seen them play yet, why are you already bashing them?

[Red Leader]

My last hope is that we can grab Brandon Belt in the 4th round.

[flyer85]

Line of the day so far.Thanks. I also made a comment about drafting Craig Tatum and then they pick a guy who profiles even worse. :laugh:

[OnBaseMachine]

Why is Lars Anderson still available? I like him, Jordan Newton, Degerman, or Jordan Walden with the Reds 4th pick.

[westofyou]

Top guys flame out constantly,
Only one Reds 1st round position players ever had a real good career, plenty of tweeners and some players but so far only 1 stud.

That's 41 years of drafting and counting.

[Caveat Emperor]

you guys havent seen them play yet, why are you already bashing them?

Because they strike out too much, can't hit with RISP and don't play defense or hustle on the basepathes.

[Red Leader]

you guys havent seen them play yet, why are you already bashing them?

Because there is talent available, real good talent, and yet, they keep passing it over for a closer with a 4+ ERA and a 1.40+ WHIP and a guy that projects as a UTIL player. How exactly are those types of players going to turn this franchise around?

[jmcclain19]

UofA pride time - Jason Donald to the Phils

[westofyou]

Because there is talent available, real good talent, and yet, they keep passing it over for a closer with a 4+ ERA and a 1.40+ WHIP and a guy that projects as a UTIL player. How exactly are those types of players going to turn this franchise around?
Practice and Coaching?

From what I hear it can turn Dunn into Pujols and wine into water.

[Red Leader]

the A's take chili's guy, Matt Sulentic

[M2]

Only one Reds 1st round position players ever had a real good career, plenty of tweeners and some players but so far only 1 stud.

That's 41 years of drafting and counting.

Pokey!

[flyer85]

I'm still partial to Chad Lee

[BRM]

Practice and Coaching?

From what I hear it can turn Dunn into Pujols and wine into water.

I thought Dunn's problem was lack of hustle and no work ethic. No amount of coaching can fix that. :p:

[Red Leader]

ATL takes a LHP from Stow Walsh Jesuit HS in OH, Chad Rogers.

[Mario-Rijo]

I got it, Buckley is a genuis! He figured if the 2nd & 3rd rounders looked bad enough it would make us appreciate the 1st rounder more. It sure does make Stubbs look like a great pick doesn't it! In fact I am starting to long for DOB to come back and make the picks!

[tbball10]

valaika went 1-3 with 2k's against morrow when he faced him fwiw

[Red Leader]

Tribe takes Adam Davis 2B/SS out of U of FLA.

[Caveat Emperor]

valaika went 1-3 with 2k's against morrow when he faced him fwiw

Was his 1 hit w/ a runner in scoring position, though?

[Gainesville Red]

Guess it's funny I just mentioned a couple minutes earlier that we should have taken Davis if we were looking for a 2B/SS. Guy's good.

Not really Ha Ha funny.

[Red Leader]

A couple picks left this round. I'm going out to get a bite to eat. Should be back by the time the 4th round starts.

[Mario-Rijo]

Gonna watch a movie, I can't hack this crud! Just 1 last thing about these guys I have noticed all 4 yr players in college, do ya think the FO feels we need some trade bait and soon. although I can't imagine these guys being the answer. The 3rd rounder has really got me irked.

[OnBaseMachine]

Are they taking another break? Jeez.

[Doc. Scott]

95. Florida- Scott Cousins, LF, U. of San Francisco

96. Minnesota- Tyler Robertson, California HS

97. Philadephia- Jason Donald, SS, U. of Arizona

98. Oakland- Matt Sulentic, OF, Texas HS

Wow, what did he do to fall that far? Or is Chili overdrafting?

99. Houston- Nick Moresi, CF, Fresno State U.

100. Atlanta- Chad Rogers, Ohio HS (Walsh Jesuit)

Another Northerner, and an Ohioan. Very interesting.

101. Cleveland- Adam Davis, SS, U. of Florida

102. Angels- Russ Moldenhauer, OF, Texas HS

103. Boston- Bryson Cox, RHP, Rice

104. Yankees- Zach McAllister, RHP, Illinois HS

105. Cubs- Justin Edwards, LHP, Washington HS

106. St. Louis- Gary Daley, RHP, Cal Poly- San Luis Obispo

[REDREAD]

THOSE GUYS WERENT BPA EITHER

Well, only time will tell if Stubbs is the best player :)
Let's hope Wayne was right on this one.

[tbball10]

Was his 1 hit w/ a runner in scoring position, though?

its was the only hit against morrow that game, so probably not.

[traderumor]

Gonna watch a movie, I can't hack this crud! Just 1 last thing about these guys I have noticed all 4 yr players in college, do ya think the FO feels we need some trade bait and soon. although I can't imagine these guys being the answer. The 3rd rounder has really got me irked.What is his arm like? Does he have good range? Does he use all fields? Is he a good baserunner? How is his plate discipline?

[edabbs44]

I want Walden. Throws 99 mph.

[puca]

Gonna watch a movie, I can't hack this crud! Just 1 last thing about these guys I have noticed all 4 yr players in college, do ya think the FO feels we need some trade bait and soon. although I can't imagine these guys being the answer. The 3rd rounder has really got me irked.


I'm afraid that it signals that signability is still a concern, 4 yr college players have the least amount of leverage.

[Doc. Scott]

MLB Radio people try to interview Evan Longoria on a bad cell connection. Must be Cingular. Anyway, Longoria doesn't hear the questions, so he gives the "I'm excited to be in Tampa Bay and I'm looking forward to playing" speech that is Athlete Interview 101. Funny stuff.

Round 4

107. KC- Derrick Robertson, OF, Florida HS

What the hell is the "Pk Yonge Laboratory School"? Did they grow this guy in a test tube? Apparently he's fast- Esix Snead/Kenny Lewis fast.

108. Colorado- Craig Baker, RHP, Cal St. Northridge

109. TB- Alexander Cobb, RHP, Florida HS

110. Pittsburgh- William (Jared Hughes) Hughes, RHP, Cal St. Long Beach

111. Seattle- Enrique Orta, RHP, U. of Miami (FL)

112. Detroit- Ryan Strieby, 1B, U. of Kentucky

Apparently played with wood bats at a Washington JC.

113. Dodgers- Kyle Orr, 1B, British Columbia HS

Lasorda... goofus. 6'5" Canadian power hitter- Votto?

114. Cincinnati- Justin Reed, CF, Mississippi HS

Speedy, football scholarship to Ole Miss. Compared to the guy who's Kenny Lewis fast. Grrreat.

[cincyinco]

These delays are awful

[cincyinco]

I'm not excited w/this draft, but its not all doom and gloom IMO like the Naysayers would have you believe.

Stubbs is a solid pick, not what I preferred, but its not a horrible pick.
Sean Watson could be solid, I like he has 4 pitches, 2 of which are good. He could move fast.
The 3rd round pick tho is puzzling. I'm not sure I like Valaika there. Seems like quite a reach.

[Reds Fanatic]

Round 4 Starts:

KC takes D. Robinson OF

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds need a catching prospect that can actually hit...Jordan Newton would be an ideal pick here.

[Kc61]

Looks like Reds are going for college players who can fill gaps in the system fairly quickly. This may be due to philosophy or because it is a weak draft and Reds didn't think a lot of high school "projectable" arms was the way to go.

Perhaps Reds will now go for some starting pitchers to add depth to that position. Doesn't seem like a great Reds draft, but you could see all three picks being in the high minor leagues quickly.

[flyer85]

Stubbs is a solid pick, not what I preferred, but its not a horrible pick.maybe so considering the quality of the draft but BA pointed out he would have been a late first round at best if he had been available last year.

[cincy09]

at least with college players we will find out sooner if they will help at the major league level. It would be nice however to get some live arms

[Reds Fanatic]

3 more picks until the Reds pick

[OnBaseMachine]

Pirates take Jared Hughes.

[NewEraReds]

Well, only time will tell if Stubbs is the best player :)
Let's hope Wayne was right on this one.
wayne didnt make the pick

[jmcclain19]

Jared Hughes goes to the Pirates - another guy who was a 1st rounder in the pre-season

[IslandRed]

I'm afraid that it signals that signability is still a concern, 4 yr college players have the least amount of leverage.

They go to four-year colleges, but the three guys taken so far are juniors. They can return to college if they don't like the Reds' offer.

[Gainesville Red]

Round 4 Starts:

KC takes D. Robinson OF

I think I read a couple weeks ago that Robinson was still planning on coming to UF to play Football, but who knows. If KC drafted me, I'd be playing football in Gainesville. I'll tell you this......HE'S FAST, REAL FAST.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mariners take Enrique Orta

[flyer85]

wayne didnt make the pickbut Wayne hired the guy who made the pick

[Reds Fanatic]

Tigers take Ryan Strieby 1B UK

[OnBaseMachine]

Damnit! Tigers take Ryan Strieby. I wanted him in the 5th round.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dodgers take Kyle Orr

Reds are on the clock.

[flyer85]

We could use a backup catcher here

[M2]

The Dodgers are apparently playing this entire draft for comedy.

[Javy Pornstache]

Ah, Tigers got Ryan Strieby of UK, he was one I had my eye on as a value pick for the fourth or fifth. Guess he was valued there too. Reds coming up.

[cincyinco]

maybe so considering the quality of the draft but BA pointed out he would have been a late first round at best if he had been available last year.

Last years crop was fairly strong. But I understand what you mean.

Let me just say that I dont think it was a disasterous waste of a pick. There were plenty of good arms at that pick though.

[NewEraReds]

and its a center fielder

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds take Justin Reed CF Hilcrest Christian HS

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds take Justin Reed, high school CF.

[Buckeye33]

Justin Reed.

HS OFer.

[jmcclain19]

After a football game last fall when Reed ran for four touchdowns and more than 400 yards, he traveled to Atlanta the next morning and was on a baseball field with Team USA for the final junior national team trials. Reed didn't make the team, but he made a good impression. He has been offered a football scholarship to Mississippi but is expected to sign with a team that drafts him in the first five rounds. His exceptional work ethic makes up for his below-average instincts. He profiles as a table-setting center fielder, and has drawn comparisons to Tim Raines and Matt Lawton. He's a 60 runner on the 20-80 scouting scale, but his defensive game is unrefined. His arm is average to a tick below. Reed improved at the plate as a senior, shortening his swing and making sharper contact. He will hit the ball to all fields with gap to gap power. Reed doesn't profile as a corner outfielder, so his ability to become a reliable center fielder will be paramount.

[NewEraReds]

but Wayne hired the guy who made the pick
i know, but i was correcting the guy who said he picked him

[flyer85]

Wow, we just picked Kenny Lewis in the round

[Javy Pornstache]

Just because Denorfia, Dickerson, Moran, Szymanski, Bruce and Stubbs aren't enough, let's go ahead and get another centerfielder. Yes, I know Bruce probably won't be a CFer in the majors. But still.

[Reds Fanatic]

MLB.COM on Reed:

Very athletic. Has a football scholarship to Mississippi. Speed is his best tool but has also shown vast improvement on offense and in CF.

[cincy09]

guess we need lots of outfielers

[GoReds]

"...football scholarship to Mississippi."

With the 114th pick, the Cincinnati Reds punt.

[NewEraReds]

After a football game last fall when Reed ran for four touchdowns and more than 400 yards, he traveled to Atlanta the next morning and was on a baseball field with Team USA for the final junior national team trials. Reed didn't make the team, but he made a good impression. He has been offered a football scholarship to Mississippi but is expected to sign with a team that drafts him in the first five rounds. His exceptional work ethic makes up for his below-average instincts. He profiles as a table-setting center fielder, and has drawn comparisons to Tim Raines and Matt Lawton. He's a 60 runner on the 20-80 scouting scale, but his defensive game is unrefined. His arm is average to a tick below. Reed improved at the plate as a senior, shortening his swing and making sharper contact. He will hit the ball to all fields with gap to gap power. Reed doesn't profile as a corner outfielder, so his ability to become a reliable center fielder will be paramount.
so a guy who isnt that fast, below arm strength, not good at def yet, and can only play cf. LOL. thats just too funny to read

[OnBaseMachine]

This is one of the worst drafts of recent memory. They passed on Jordan Newton, Lars Anderson, and Jordan Walden for a guy whose best tool is his speed.

[Buckeye33]

"...football scholarship to Mississippi."

With the 114th pick, the Cincinnati Reds punt.

An above post states that he will sign with a team if he's picked in the 1st 5 rounds.

[Doc. Scott]

Other than the announcers swearing up and down that Reed really likes baseball, he does sound just like Lewis.

[ochre]

Think they'll take Devon Torrence later too?

[NewEraReds]

This is one of the worst drafts of recent memory. They passed on Jordan Newton, Lars Anderson, and Jordan Walden for a guy whose best tool is his speed.
lets hope he plays football

[flyer85]

So far we've drafted BJ, Wagner, Janish, and Lewis.

[cincy09]

what exactly is the agenda here.........could there be more to this?

[Gainesville Red]

HS CFer w/ a football scholarship, with LaPorta still on the board. (Showing my bias for gators again.)

[MikeS21]

guess we need lots of outfielers
Gotta chase all those fly balls.

[cincy09]

Think they'll take Devon Torrence later too?

I was thinking the same thing

[Redsfaithful]

"...football scholarship to Mississippi."

With the 114th pick, the Cincinnati Reds punt.

The same scouting report says he'll probably sign if taken in the first five rounds.

[NewEraReds]

So far we've drafted BJ, Wagner, Janish, and Lewis.
stubbs may be better than bj but the other 3 arent better than those 3, imo

[edabbs44]

I might have to leave work early. Could you imagine if the draft looked like Bard/Scherzer, Brett Anderson, Walden and LaPorta?

I also forgot we are thin on OFs in the system. 2 OFs and one pitcher. Go figure.

[Caveat Emperor]

what exactly is the agenda here.........could there be more to this?

It's a heel turn by Wayne Krivsky after 4 months of playing to the fans.

He'll rip off his Reds shirt and reveal an "nWo" logo and then proceed to tell all the young Reds fans to screw off. Then he'll cut a promo about how much he hates Cincinnati and the morons that live there.

[redsfaninAK]

Did Krivisky do something to Buckley to upset him, cause this is starting to look like a draft out of spite.

[traderumor]

You all do realize that, after Bruce, we have no realistic starting OF prospects in the system. And Dunn and Kearns are as likely to be wearing another uniform in 3-4 years than they are to be Reds.

[flyer85]

Other than the announcers swearing up and down that Reed really likes baseball, he does sound just like Lewis.he is a guy with speed, who doesn't project as a corner OF and they are unsure if he will turn into an adequate CF even if he learns to get on base.

[M2]

I don't mind the Reed pick. The kid's athletic and hopefully good instruction will turn him into a baseball player. The Reds built a franchise largely around that philosophy not that long ago in cosmic time.

[cincyinco]

It's a heel turn by Wayne Krivsky after 4 months of playing to the fans.

He'll rip off his Reds shirt and reveal an "nWo" logo and then proceed to tell all the young Reds fans to screw off. Then he'll cut a promo about how much he hates Cincinnati and the morons that live there.

lol!

:laugh: :laugh:

darn, first pic didn't work..

Krivsky MANIA!!!
http://www.desktopexchange.com/gallery/albums/Sports-Wallpapers/WWE_Hulk_Hogan.jpg

[westofyou]

I don't mind the Reed pick. The kid's athletic and hopefully good instruction will turn him into a baseball player. The Reds built a franchise largely around that philosophy not that long ago in cosmic time.
It's a Rickey pick

[Aronchis]

Looks like the Reds are having some "blind" scouting, though that is subjective, as I said, considering the newness, don't expect a ton from this draft.

We have not drafted a Homer Bailey(complete package, smooth release type that needs seasoning) or Wood(great changeup, short, but very athletic) either.

This draft probably won't provide much pitching, which makes me wonder if Cast won't be opening up the checkbook this offseason. Deno and Votto are most likely on the block as well.

[WVRed]

Y'all are killing me. These threads are always classic. Who seriously knows anything more about this SS than what they just read on mlb.com? And calling for someone to be fired on 3 picks in a draft of 50 guys? Again, you're splitting my side.

This is my favorite time of year, we get an influx of talent, and everybody is calling for the GM or scouting directors head because they don't pick who they wanted.

I remember how many people two years ago were calling for Dan O'Brien's head because he took the best high school arm over a SS that ended up flaming out in Colorado. That high school arm is now our top prospect and the same people criticizing the pick are now arguing over whether or not we should rush him to the majors.

[Gainesville Red]

By the way, why is LaPorta still on the board?

[flyer85]

I don't mind the Reed pick. The kid's athletic and hopefully good instruction will turn him into a baseball player. The Reds built a franchise largely around that philosophy not that long ago in cosmic time.the problem is the guy profiles to play one position and he is a pure projection for that position at this point. He is Kenny Lewis, a guy with multiple question marks and drafted by a team that has probably the easiest CF to play in all of baseball.

[OnBaseMachine]

Why is Lars Anderson still available? IIRC, he is supposed to have a ton of power and a great eye at the plate,.

[IslandRed]

I don't mind the Reed pick. The kid's athletic and hopefully good instruction will turn him into a baseball player. The Reds built a franchise largely around that philosophy not that long ago in cosmic time.

Good point.

I also try to remember that we're long past the point of having anyone on the draft board that can't be picked apart.

[Javy Pornstache]

It's a heel turn by Wayne Krivsky after 4 months of playing to the fans.

He'll rip off his Reds shirt and reveal an "nWo" logo and then proceed to tell all the young Reds fans to screw off. Then he'll cut a promo about how much he hates Cincinnati and the morons that live there.

Will George Grande tell us he tried to warn us all along as Bobby Heenan did back in the day?

[Doc. Scott]

115. Baltimore- Blake Davis, SS, Cal St. Fullerton

116. SF- Ben Snyder, LHP, Ball State

117. Arizona- Kevin Thompson, RHP, Pensacola (FL) JC

118. Texas- Marcus Lemon, SS, Florida HS

Son of Chet.

119. Minnesota- Whitney Robbins, 1B, Georgia Tech

120. Toronto- Brandon McGee, RHP, Bradley U.

121. Washington- Glenn Gibson, LHP, New York HS

Son of ex-MLB stalwart hurler Paul Gibson.

122. Milwaukee- Evan Amundsen, RHP, Colorado HS

Actually Columbine High School.

123. SD- Nate Culp, LHP, U. Missouri-Columbia

124. NY Mets- John Holdzkom, Salt Lake CC

Brother of Lincoln, I assume.

125. Florida- Hector Correa, RHP, Puerto Rico HS

126. Minnesota- Garrett Olson, 3B, Franklin Pierce College (NH)

Franklin Pierce has a college named after him?

127. Philadelphia- D'Arby Myers, CF, California HS

128. Oakland- Chad Lee, RHP, Barton County CC (Oklahoma)

129.

130.

[OnBaseMachine]

A's pick Chad Lee.

[OnBaseMachine]

15 picks away from the Reds.

Newton, Anderson, Walden, and LaPorta all still available.

[Caveat Emperor]

I like this pick, incidentally. Get a good athlete, send him to rookie ball and "coach him up" a bit.

Someday, 5 or 6 years from now -- 'Zoners will complain about Bruce and Stubbs blocking this guy from having a job in the OF as he sits in Louisville and bats .350 with 30 SBs or something.

Life is cyclical like that.

[dougdirt]

I am wondering where some of these guys are going to go who were projected 2nd/3rd rounders....and why they are falling so far.

[M2]

the problem is the guy profiles to play one position and he is a pure projection for that position at this point. He is Kenny Lewis, a guy with multiple question marks and drafted by a team that has probably the easiest CF to play in all of baseball.

I'll take that on a 4th round pick. It's always a maybe something. Hopefully he'll prove unlike Lewis and actually improve over time instead of get consistently worse. It also sounds like Reed has a little sock in his bat (something Lewis never was accused of), gap power instead of none.

[WVRed]

Why is Lars Anderson still available? IIRC, he is supposed to have a ton of power and a great eye at the plate,.

Maybe teams see something in him that would cause them to reconsider?

[flyer85]

I guess I could better understand the infatuation with CF types if GABP wasn't one of the smallest and easiest CFs to play in the majors.

[Kc61]

I guess I could better understand the infatuation with CF types if GABP wasn't one of the smallest and easiest CFs to play in the majors.

Road games?

[westofyou]

I am wondering where some of these guys are going to go who were projected 2nd/3rd rounders....and why they are falling so far.
Milo?

[OnBaseMachine]

Please don't tell me they are taking another break.

[jmcclain19]

Colin Curtis goes to the Yanks - seen him play a few times. Good pick that late

[flyer85]

Road games?They can create a new kind of platoon, a road/home one.

[Red Leader]

Please don't tell me they are taking another break.

I think the Yankees are now looking to draft an OF they can plug into the lineup tomorrow. It's just taking them a little while to find that guy.

[WVRed]

Has Danny Almonte been taken yet?

[cincyinco]

I guess I could better understand the infatuation with CF types if GABP wasn't one of the smallest and easiest CFs to play in the majors.

Tell that to Ol' Man Griff... ;)

[OnBaseMachine]

Has Danny Almonte been taken yet?

No.

[Doc. Scott]

129. Houston- Chris Johnson, 3B, Stetson

130. Atlanta- Gary Hyde, LHP, Georgia Tech

That other guy needs someone to go to the bar with.

131. Cleveland- Judson Morris, LHP, North Carolina HS

132. Angels- Clayton Fuller, OF, Texas HS

133. Boston- Jonathan Still, C, North Carolina St. U.

134. Yankees- Colin Curtis, OF, Arizona St.

135. White Sox- Tyler Reves, C, Texas Tech

136. St. Louis- Ed Degerman, RHP, Rice

End of round 4.

[OnBaseMachine]

Cards take Degerman.

[cincyinco]

There goes Degerman, not a bad pick by the Cards.

[Red Leader]

The Cards just took Degerman, so we might get to see plenty of him going forward.

[jmcclain19]

10 minute break before round five starts

2 hours 40 minutes to get 4 rounds in.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is the end of round 4. Probably another break before they start round 5.

[rdiersin]

Has Danny Almonte been taken yet?

The Reds haven't made their 5th round pick yet :)

[OnBaseMachine]

10 minute break before round five starts


Wow. That's ridiculous.

Is it really necessary to have a break after every round? I don't ever remember them doing this.

[corkedbat]

This might be a decent draft - if these were picks 9-13. I'm particularily impressed that we spent two top5 picks on our future CF and his possible future backup (not to mention a honest-to-gosh utility infield prospect) while completely ignoring starting pitchers and corner bats. And I had such high hopes...<sigh> :bang:

[Doc. Scott]

137. KC

138. Colorado

139. TB

140. Pittsburgh

141. Seattle

142. Detroit

143. Dodgers

144. Cincinnati

[Kc61]

They can create a new kind of platoon, a road/home one.

They will certainly have enough centerfielders to platoon.


Maybe the theory is that it takes 10 centerfielders to replace Ken Griffey, Jr.

[flyer85]

Tell that to Ol' Man Griff... ;)that's the exact reason they can get away with playing him in CF. The penalty is much less in those 81 home games. If their home park was Comerica, or a number of others, Jr would not be the everyday CF but in GABP the penalty for his lack of speed is negated to an extent by having much less ground to cover.

[Doc. Scott]

It seems fairly likely that Buckley and the Reds will try to convert Watson to starting, a la David Bush (also a 2nd round pick). But here's the obvioulsy-begged question: why go to the trouble? Why not take a guy who's ALREADY a starter?

[Red Leader]

It seems fairly likely that Buckley and the Reds will try to convert Watson to starting, a la David Bush (also a 2nd round pick). But here's the obvioulsy-begged question: why go to the trouble? Why not take a guy who's ALREADY a starter?

They must really be enthralled by that knuckle curve.

[cincyinco]

It seems fairly likely that Buckley and the Reds will try to convert Watson to starting, a la David Bush (also a 2nd round pick). But here's the obvioulsy-begged question: why go to the trouble? Why not take a guy who's ALREADY a starter?

Buckley is either stupid, or unconventional. I love what he did was David Bush though, have to give him credit there. I'd love to have a David Bush in the reds rotation. So maybe he sees the same kinds of qualities. We can only hope..

Or perhaps he steps into the pen this year :P

[Red Leader]

Brandon Belt is still on the board. So is LaPorta.

[OnBaseMachine]

It seems fairly likely that Buckley and the Reds will try to convert Watson to starting, a la David Bush (also a 2nd round pick). But here's the obvioulsy-begged question: why go to the trouble? Why not take a guy who's ALREADY a starter?

I would convert him to a starter just to see how it works out. Richie Gardner also had underwhelming stats in his last season at Arizona, and he turned out quite well before going down to injury, however, there is one big difference between Gardner and Watson - Richie wa a 6th rounder, Watson is a 2nd rounder. They should have taken someone who was already a starter, say a Steven Wright.

[Kc61]

It seems fairly likely that Buckley and the Reds will try to convert Watson to starting, a la David Bush (also a 2nd round pick). But here's the obvioulsy-begged question: why go to the trouble? Why not take a guy who's ALREADY a starter?

I think the Reds are filling holes here. A college athletic outfielder (in case current OFs leave). An advanced reliever (certainly a need area). A utility infielder (as RA gets older). Perhaps you're right, but I think they would like to stockpile relievers, particularly with all the older guys now in the pen.

[cincyinco]

The number of people in this thread has dropped rather dramatically. Its like going to a ballgame and getting whipped ala Josh Beckett last night... The crowd leaves early.. heh.

[Reds Fanatic]

Round 5 starts:

KC takes J. Godin P Old Dominion

[Red Leader]

Round 5 has started