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WVRed
06-05-2006, 08:49 PM
I'll update this page when picks are made. If anybody has anything they can find of players the Reds draft, feel free to reply.:)

reds44
06-05-2006, 08:56 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ev...Name&sp=L&pg=2

Prospect videos.

Ooops bad link.

New link:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ev...=lastName&sp=A

edabbs44
06-05-2006, 08:56 PM
Can we get a sticky on here? Tomorrow is a big, big day.

WVRed
06-05-2006, 08:58 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ev...Name&sp=L&pg=2

Prospect videos.

Bad link.

NewEraReds
06-05-2006, 09:06 PM
this should work

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/tracker/search.jsp?sc=lastName&sp=A

edabbs44
06-05-2006, 11:48 PM
Just read that Joba might have arm problems. One club has major red flags on him.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=2470651&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 01:00 AM
Just read that Joba might have arm problems. One club has major red flags on him.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=2470651&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1
dont know what arm problems these are, but hes had problems a lot of this year

reds44
06-06-2006, 01:51 AM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c123/JJ84/Misc/2006mlbdraft.png

Draft Order:

First Round
1. Royals
2. Rockies
3. Devil Rays
4. Pirates
5. Mariners
6. Tigers
7. Dodgers
8. Reds
9. Orioles
10. Giants
11. Diamondbacks
12. Rangers
13. Cubs
14. Blue Jays
15. Nationals
16. Brewers
17. Padres
18. Phillies (from Mets for type A Wagner)
19. Marlins
20. Twins
21. Yankees (from Phillies for type A Gordon)
22. Nationals (from Athletics for type B Loaiza)
23. Astros
24. Braves
25. Angels (from Indians for type B Byrd)
26. Dodgers (fron Angels for type A Weaver)
27. Red Sox
28. Red Sox (from Yankees for type A Damon)
29. White Sox
30. Cardinals

Supplemental First Round
31. Dodgers (for Weaver)
32. Orioles (for Ryan)
33. Giants (for Eyre)
34. Diamondbacks (for Worrell)
35. Padres (for Hernandez)
36. Marlins (for Burnett)
37. Phillies (for Wagner)
38. Braves (for Farnsworth)
39. Indians (for Howry)
40. Red Sox (for Damon)
41. Yankees (for Gordon)
42. Cardinals (for Morris)
43. Braves (for Furcal)
44. Red Sox (for Mueller)

Second Round
45. Royals
46. Rockies
47. Devil Rays
48. Pirates
49. Mariners
50. Tigers
51. Braves (for type A Furcal)
52. Reds
53. Padres (for type A Hernandez)
54. Cardinals (for type A Morris)
55. Diamondbacks
56. Indians (for type B Millwood)
57. Indians (for type A Howry)
58. Orioles (for type A Ryan)
59. Nationals
60. Brewers
61. Padres
62. Mets
63. Marlins
64. Twins
65. Phillies
66. Athletics
67. Astros
68. Braves
69. Indians
70. Nationals (for type B Carrasco)
71. Red Sox
72. Braves (for type A Farnsworth)
73. White Sox
74. Cardinals

Supplemental Second Round
75. Indians (for Elarton)
76. Cardinals (for Nunez)

Third Round
77. Royals
78. Rockies
79. Devil Rays
80. Pirates
81. Mariners
82. Tigers
83. Red Sox (for type A Mueller)
84. Reds
85. Orioles
86. Diamondbacks (for type A Worrell)
87. Diamondbacks
88. Rangers
89. Giants (for type A Eyre)
90. Marlins (for type A Burnett)
91. Nationals
92. Brewers
93. Padres
94. Mets
95. Marlins
96. Twins
97. Phillies
98. Athletics
99. Astros
100. Braves
101. Indians
102. Angels
103. Red Sox
104. Yankees
105. White Sox
106. Cardinals

Fourth Round
107. Royals
108. Rockies
109. Devil Rays
110. Pirates
111. Mariners
112. Tigers
113. Dodgers
114. Reds
115. Orioles
116. Giants
117. Diamondbacks
118. Rangers
119. Twins (for type B Jones)
120. Blue Jays
121. Nationals
122. Brewers
123. Padres
124. Mets
125. Marlins
126. Twins
127. Phillies
128. Athletics
129. Astros
130. Braves
131. Indians
132. Angels
133. Red Sox
134. Yankees
135. White Sox
136. Cardinals

Fifth Round and Up
137. Royals
138. Rockies
139. Devil Rays
140. Pirates
141. Mariners
142. Tigers
143. Dodgers
144. Reds
145. Orioles
146. Giants
147. Diamondbacks
148. Rangers
149. Cubs
150. Blue Jays
151. Nationals
152. Brewers
153. Padres
154. Mets
155. Marlins
156. Twins
157. Phillies
158. Athletics
159. Astros
160. Braves
161. Indians
162. Angels
163. Red Sox
164. Yankees
165. White Sox
166. Cardinals

Compensation Picks
The former Club of a Player who became a free agent and ranks as a Type A, B or C Player shall be entitled to receive compensation in the form of a draft choice in the First-Year Player Draft succeeding the Player’s election of free agency.

A Type A, B or C Player shall be a Player who became a free agent and ranks as a Type A, B or C Player under the statistical system of ranking Players set forth by the Elias Sports Bureau using statistics based on a two-year average for each respective position group.

Type A Players: Ranks in the upper 30% of his respective position group
Type B Players: Ranks in the upper 50%, but not in the upper 30%, of his respective position group
Type C Players: Ranks in the upper 60%, but not in the upper 50%, of his respective position group

Follow The Draft
MLB.com Draft Home (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/index.jsp)
2006 Draft Tracker (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/draft/y2006/tracker/search.jsp)

Related Articles:
KC's Pick To Come Down To Last Minute (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060604&content_id=1488006&vkey=draft2006&fext=.jsp)
Jonathan Mayo's 1st Round Predictions (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20060605&content_id=1489090&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp)
Players To Watch In The MLB Draft (http://sports.newsday.com/default.asp?c=newsday&page=mlb/news/AAN4023186.htm)
Jim Callis Predicts The First 15 Picks (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/features/261615.html)
Baseball America's Top 30 Draft Prospects (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/features/261330.html)

First time I will be really paying attention to the draft, and I can't wait. Draft starts at 1 pm.

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 02:40 AM
Word out of KC is that the Royals have agreed to a contract with Brad Lincoln and will be taking him #1 overall.

This is going to be a fun draft, especially with rumors swirling about Andrew Miller's contract demands (8 figures?!).

Javy Pornstache
06-06-2006, 03:21 AM
Word out of KC is that the Royals have agreed to a contract with Brad Lincoln and will be taking him #1 overall.

This is going to be a fun draft, especially with rumors swirling about Andrew Miller's contract demands (8 figures?!).

Wow, thanks for the tidbit, Outshined. I wonder if this comes true tomorrow....there had been a lot of talk that the Royals weren't going to come to an agreement with Andrew Miller, so Lincoln would be a great first pick for them. I wonder where that'd leave Miller? Colorado has pick 2 but they are apparently really enamored with Evan Longoria, as is Tampa Bay. So it's safe to say that they will be picks 2 and 3, but a matter of who gets who. I like Morrow a lot for the Reds' pick, and can see it play out to where we get him, but I think a key is what the Pirates do at 4....they seem to really like Greg Reynolds of Stanford and could go for him there. Then Hochevar, Stubbs and Kershaw as the next three picks would let the Reds have their pick from Morrow, Lincecum or Bard. We'll find out soon enough!

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 04:03 AM
Looks like the draft could get really fun. The KC Star (http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/14748378.htm?source=rss&channel=kansas_sports) has some fun little tidbits about Miller that could see him drop:


[Andrew] Miller, 21, is generally viewed as the draft's top prospect after going 12-2 with a 2.26 ERA in 15 starts at North Carolina with 108 strikeouts and 35 walks in 103 2/3 innings.

But reports escalated in recent days that Miller is nursing an arm injury that, perhaps, caused a late-season decline in effectiveness. He is just 3-2 with a 3.67 ERA in his last five starts.

Even if healthy, Miller presents the Royals with potential signability concerns. The buzz among scouts is he wants a major-league contract plus a signing bonus of at least $6 million -- perhaps as much as $8 million.

Miller's stuff has apparently been fine, but I wonder if the injury's affecting his control or mechanics?

This doesn't appear to be as bad as Bobby Brownlie back in 2002, though. Still, it merits watching.

SirFelixCat
06-06-2006, 08:08 AM
Excited about this years draft as well...let me ask you guys, "if" Miller were to fall to the Reds, would they take him and would you want them to?

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 10:06 AM
This will be the official draft thread. I edited the title because we'll keep track of all picks in this thread, not just the Reds picks. I have "stickied" it as well. Draft starts at 1PM. After the Reds first pick we can start a new thread listing just Reds players if you would like so people don't have to sort through what will likely be close to 100 pages of information to find out about players the Reds have drafted.

Enjoy the draft.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2006, 10:16 AM
Channel 189 on XM will have coverage of the entire draft. Today starting at 1 and tomorrow at noon.

MLB radio is also covering the whole draft. Also MLB.COM will have video coverage of the 1st round of the draft.

M2
06-06-2006, 10:23 AM
I just mentioned this in another thread, but if somehow Miller drops to the Reds at #8, it will be a moment of truth for the franchise.

Previous regimes would have had a zillion excuses for why they couldn't draft the best pitcher in the draft, the best young pitcher they might get their hands over the next decade. As a fan I've grown tired of can't-do. I want the Reds to be the best and to do that they need to figure out how to get the best.

It's starting to look like the Castellini regime is about to be given a golden opportunity to prove its worth. If Andrew Miller's on the board at #8 we'll find out what the Reds think of themselves.

traderumor
06-06-2006, 10:34 AM
Here's a little blurb from BP on Buckley, with a bold on the part I liked to see

Cincinnati Reds
Scouting Director: Chris Buckley. Buckley learned under Wilken, spending 17 years in the Toronto organization before joining the Reds this year. He was the assistant scouting director in Toronto from 1999-2000, assumed scouting director responsibilities in 2001 when Wilken moved up, and then joined Wilken as an assistant GM in 2004. In the three drafts he conducted, all three of the first-round picks reached the majors, and two of three second-rounders have.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5153

cincinnati chili
06-06-2006, 10:39 AM
Word out of KC is that the Royals have agreed to a contract with Brad Lincoln and will be taking him #1 overall.

This is going to be a fun draft, especially with rumors swirling about Andrew Miller's contract demands (8 figures?!).

Jonathan Mayo came out at 4am Eastern today projecting that the Royals will take Hochevar:

http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20060605&content_id=1489090&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp

If Miller drops to the Reds, the Reds should NOT be thrown off if Miller's camp is threatening not to sign. He wants to pitch. I think the guy regrets going to college at all.

Plus if I'm wrong, this is such a weak class this year, we'd likely get a supplemental pick next year, who's nearly as good as what's at #8 this year.

lollipopcurve
06-06-2006, 10:47 AM
if somehow Miller drops to the Reds at #8, it will be a moment of truth for the franchise.

It will also mean that teams like LA and Detroit don't feel he and his agent are worth the hassle or the extra $$$. I wouldn't see it as a defining moment at all. The team has ponied up for Dunn. Not ponying up for Andrew Miller would be small potatoes by comparison, in my opinion. There are other intriguing talents out there, and, as we know, the draft is an inexact science. Which is not to say I wouldn't like them to take Miller -- I would. I just wouldn't see it as a sign that the organization is fundamentally screwed up.

I would take it as a bad sign that top talents and their agents can subvert the purpose of the draft by making dollar demands that steer these talents to the big money clubs.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 10:48 AM
Plus if I'm wrong, this is such a weak class this year, we'd likely get a supplemental pick next year, who's nearly as good as what's at #8 this year.

Excellent point, chili.

M2
06-06-2006, 11:09 AM
It will also mean that teams like LA and Detroit don't feel he and his agent are worth the hassle or the extra $$$. I wouldn't see it as a defining moment at all. The team has ponied up for Dunn. Not ponying up for Andrew Miller would be small potatoes by comparison, in my opinion. There are other intriguing talents out there, and, as we know, the draft is an inexact science. Which is not to say I wouldn't like them to take Miller -- I would. I just wouldn't see it as a sign that the organization is fundamentally screwed up.

I would take it as a bad sign that top talents and their agents can subvert the purpose of the draft by making dollar demands that steer these talents to the big money clubs.

Miller's been the consensus top pick in this draft for three years. That almost never happens. I'm not interested in excuses from the Reds, I want the giant dominant southpaw that everyone recognizes as the single best talent on the board. Sometimes greatness falls into your lap. Just because other franchises may be playing hot potato with it doesn't mean the Reds should follow suit.

M2
06-06-2006, 11:14 AM
On a completely separate note, BA is reporting that incoming Royals GM Dayton Moore leans toward Drew Stubbs, though he won't be involved in the pick.

I don't mind Stubbs as much as some around here, but given some of the arms on the board that seems immensely messed up. It also astounds me that an incoming GM would pass on a chance to determine the #1 pick in the draft. It's probably the biggest decision the Royals will make all year and Moore's washed his hands of the whole matter.

Just when you think the Royals have hit bottom in terms of how messed up a franchise can be they let an outgoing regime make a #1 draft pick decision. Astounding.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 11:18 AM
That is really messed up.

Probably one of the biggest opportunities to start to mold the franchise in the way you want it to grow as a new GM, and you punt the decision.

That's flat out amazing. Glad we got Krivsky.

lollipopcurve
06-06-2006, 11:22 AM
Just when you think the Royals have hit bottom in terms of how messed up a franchise can be they let an outgoing regime make a #1 draft pick decision.

I see your point, but the Royals have made a couple of good #1 picks in the last two years (Butler and Gordon) and it isn't impossible to imagine that Moore would want to keep a couple of decision makers out of that scouting department. In my mind, it makes sense to defer to the guys who have been paid to scout, whether you're picking at #1 or #10.

WVRed
06-06-2006, 11:25 AM
That is really messed up.

Probably one of the biggest opportunities to start to mold the franchise in the way you want it to grow as a new GM, and you punt the decision.

That's flat out amazing. Glad we got Krivsky.

Will you be glad if he takes Stubbs?;)

On a side note, this whole thing with Stubbs reminds me of Homer Bailey vs Chris Nelson two years ago for some reason.

M2
06-06-2006, 11:28 AM
I see your point, but the Royals have made a couple of good #1 picks in the last two years (Butler and Gordon) and it isn't impossible to imagine that Moore would want to keep a couple of decision makers out of that scouting department. In my mind, it makes sense to defer to the guys who have been paid to scout, whether you're picking at #1 or #10.

While I can see trusting your scouts to an extent, Moore's being paid to make big decisions. I'd say whether to lock up Emil Brown pales in comparison to the #1 overall pick. At the very least you'd think he'd want to make sure the money/talent call being made was in line with his own thinking.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 11:30 AM
Will you be glad if he takes Stubbs?;)

On a side note, this whole thing with Stubbs reminds me of Homer Bailey vs Chris Nelson two years ago for some reason.

Depends on who we passed on to take Stubbs. I like Stubbs, but I think the Reds would be better off nabbing a college pitcher at #8 since there is a drop off fairly quickly (before the Reds 2nd pick for sure) in talent with those college pitchers.

If the Reds go Stubbs and then a high school project pitcher at #2, and a reach MI pick at #3, I would be upset.

I'd like to see them go college pitcher, high school bat, high school or college pitcher in the first 3 rounds. I think if they went that way, they'd get good value with each pick in this draft. Hard to tell who will be on the board to project 2nd and 3rd picks, though.

Cedric
06-06-2006, 11:40 AM
What's the deal with the Stubbs buzz? I've only watched a little bit of tape on him but I love his balance, he's said to be very strong, and his approach is good. What's the hangup from scouts?

Is this just a case of other teams trying to bury him so he falls? It happens more than you might think.

lollipopcurve
06-06-2006, 11:47 AM
At the very least you'd think he'd want to make sure the money/talent call being made was in line with his own thinking.

Yes, true. In Moore's case, he's schooled under Schuerholtz in Atlanta, and they've done well drafting HS players -- in part, perhaps, because they've always been at the bottom of the first round. This is his first experience in the stratosphere of the first round, and maybe he's finding himself a little oxygen-starved.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 11:51 AM
I pray my wireless holds up today, so I can catch the draft. Went out right in the middle of the game yesterday, so I ended up taking off for the bar. Low and behold, I get home later, and the Reds squeaked out a great win.

M2
06-06-2006, 11:57 AM
Yes, true. In Moore's case, he's schooled under Schuerholtz in Atlanta, and they've done well drafting HS players -- in part, perhaps, because they've always been at the bottom of the first round. This is his first experience in the stratosphere of the first round, and maybe he's finding himself a little oxygen-starved.

Good point. A #28 pick isn't nearly the priority decision that a #1 pick is.

IslandRed
06-06-2006, 12:06 PM
What's the deal with the Stubbs buzz? I've only watched a little bit of tape on him but I love his balance, he's said to be very strong, and his approach is good. What's the hangup from scouts?

His tools are phenomenal but people are not sure about his bat. For such a high-level prospect swinging aluminum against college pitching, he struck out a lot. I don't know if he has poor plate discipline or just swings and misses. Nonetheless, it's a concern; the drafting team doesn't know if it's getting the next Griffey or the next Reggie Taylor.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 12:08 PM
i love how mlb.com is showing video of the first 5 rounds, Bout Time.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 12:09 PM
His tools are phenomenal but people are not sure about his bat. For such a high-level prospect swinging aluminum against college pitching, he struck out a lot. I don't know if he has poor plate discipline or just swings and misses. Nonetheless, it's a concern; the drafting team doesn't know if it's getting the next Griffey or the next Reggie Taylor.
and its way more likely to be the next taylor

M2
06-06-2006, 12:09 PM
What's the deal with the Stubbs buzz? I've only watched a little bit of tape on him but I love his balance, he's said to be very strong, and his approach is good. What's the hangup from scouts?

Is this just a case of other teams trying to bury him so he falls? It happens more than you might think.

Supposedly he's got a big hole in his swing (at least that's been the scouting knock on him). Maybe that's a concern or maybe he's just a guy who's going to whiff a lot on his way to good numbers, but scouts have worried about his ability to make consistent hard contact (supposedly he didn't fare well with wood bats for Team USA). BA rated him as the #11 overall prospect and said he'd be a back of the first round guy in a draft with a stronger crew of position players.

traderumor
06-06-2006, 12:15 PM
His tools are phenomenal but people are not sure about his bat. For such a high-level prospect swinging aluminum against college pitching, he struck out a lot. I don't know if he has poor plate discipline or just swings and misses. Nonetheless, it's a concern; the drafting team doesn't know if it's getting the next Griffey or the next Reggie Taylor.What does aluminum or wood have to do with striking out? His OBP doesn't seem to indicate a plate discipline problem to me. I would not be unhappy with a Stubbs pick from what I've read and reviewed in his stats. We do not have a difference making cfer, and neither Bruce or Szymanski are pure CFers.

IslandRed
06-06-2006, 12:16 PM
This probably explains why Moore is willing to work with the current KC scouting staff. From BP:



Scouting Director: Deric Ladnier. Ladnier played seven years in the Royals system and then spent nine years in the Atlanta front office (where he worked with new GM Dayton Moore) where he advanced from area scout to farm director. He was hired as the Royals scouting director in 2001 and is overseeing his sixth draft in Kansas City. His first draft was a debacle, as the Royals selected way-to-raw fireballer Colt Griffin in the first round and outfielder Roscoe Crosby, who got paid without having ever played a game, in the second round. Ladnier's made up for it since with some solid drafts at the top over the past three years, though tight budgets often limited his flexibility after the first few rounds. When I think of people to blame for the Royals' miserable state, Ladnier isn't near the top of the list.

Atlanta may not have seriously scouted the players the Royals are considering, given the draft positions, so it may be a case where Moore doesn't feel like he knows enough to overrule his scouting director, especially if it's a guy he's comfortable with in the first place. He'll probably go with their pick as long as it meets the signability concerns, whatever they are.

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 12:19 PM
Depends on who we passed on to take Stubbs. I like Stubbs, but I think the Reds would be better off nabbing a college pitcher at #8 since there is a drop off fairly quickly (before the Reds 2nd pick for sure) in talent with those college pitchers.

If the Reds go Stubbs and then a high school project pitcher at #2, and a reach MI pick at #3, I would be upset.

I'd like to see them go college pitcher, high school bat, high school or college pitcher in the first 3 rounds. I think if they went that way, they'd get good value with each pick in this draft. Hard to tell who will be on the board to project 2nd and 3rd picks, though.
I'm actually hoping for college pitcher 1st, then college or HS pitcher 2nd (maybe Walden if he falls?) and then best bat available 3rd.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 12:20 PM
What's the deal with the Stubbs buzz?

I heard he doesn't know the infield fly rule....

IslandRed
06-06-2006, 12:20 PM
What does aluminum or wood have to do with striking out?

Aluminum bats are lighter and theoretically easier to control, so if a guy is having trouble making contact, it won't get better when he switches to wood. But like I said, I don't know the breakdown of Stubbs' whiffs. I just know it's been stated as a concern.

Kc61
06-06-2006, 12:21 PM
If you look at the Reds system, there aren't many great athletes. Dickerson is one, Syzmanski is one, but they don't have very many. Athletic players are important -- we've all seen the difference a guy like Phillips makes in the Reds infield. Nobody wants a beer league type team.

I assume the Reds see Stubbs as being in the mold of a Mantle type player (not nearly the prospect MM was, but that type). Obviously, the guy may not be a pure hitter, which reduces his value, but pure centerfielders with power are pretty rare commodities.

I trust these guys to make a reasonable decision and would be ok with Stubbs. Unfortunate that Reds, with all their losing seasons, don't have a top 3 pick. They did one year, but we all know what happened then. . . .

M2
06-06-2006, 12:23 PM
Atlanta may not have seriously scouted the players the Royals are considering, given the draft positions, so it may be a case where Moore doesn't feel like he knows enough to overrule his scouting director, especially if it's a guy he's comfortable with in the first place. He'll probably go with their pick as long as it meets the signability concerns, whatever they are.

While I can understand that line of thinking to an extent, this is THE big decision the Royals will make this year.

At the very least you'd think Moore would want to make sure the franchise was going about making the decision in the right fashion. Even if Moore's not supplying the name, he could be asking questions like "Is this the guy we want or the guy we think we can sign?"

traderumor
06-06-2006, 12:25 PM
Aluminum bats are lighter and theoretically easier to control, so if a guy is having trouble making contact, it won't get better when he switches to wood. But like I said, I don't know the breakdown of Stubbs' whiffs. I just know it's been stated as a concern.I have an easy solution to the problem, and that is MLB pooling resources to fund wood bats for college programs. The dough they spend to do so could theoretically be saved in bonuses given to aluminum bat wonders that flame when they go to wood.

M2
06-06-2006, 12:26 PM
Unfortunate that Reds, with all their losing seasons, don't have a top 3 pick.

If Miller falls to them, it's like having a #1 pick ... provided you actually pick the #1 guy.

IslandRed
06-06-2006, 12:27 PM
Even if Moore's not supplying the name, he could be asking questions like "Is this the guy we want or the guy we think we can sign?"

Sure. But holding the #1 pick, one would think they've already had the signability discussions. One would think.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 12:27 PM
If you look at the Reds system, there aren't many great athletes. Dickerson is one, Syzmanski is one, but they don't have very many. Athletic players are important -- we've all seen the difference a guy like Phillips makes in the Reds infield. Nobody wants a beer league type team.

I assume the Reds see Stubbs as being in the mold of a Mantle type player (not nearly the prospect MM was, but that type). Obviously, the guy may not be a pure hitter, which reduces his value, but pure centerfielders with power are pretty rare commodities.

I trust these guys to make a reasonable decision and would be ok with Stubbs. Unfortunate that Reds, with all their losing seasons, don't have a top 3 pick. They did one year, but we all know what happened then. . . .
thats right, but then you have to ask yourself, is what he brings more valuable then say what lincecum or morrow bring, or whoever is the pitcher. i dont believe it is, as much as i want def and speed infused into our team and system. also, i think im gonna puke if i hear another who cares if he so, he walks a lot discussion.

traderumor
06-06-2006, 12:28 PM
While I can understand that line of thinking to an extent, this is THE big decision the Royals will make this year.

At the very least you'd think Moore would want to make sure the franchise was going about making the decision in the right fashion. Even if Moore's not supplying the name, he could be asking questions like "Is this the guy we want or the guy we think we can sign?"Hence, showing the "wisdom" of KC waiting until this close to the draft to fire Baird. They knew they had the first pick in the draft, his job obviously was in jeopardy, and they are paying him whether they fire him after last season or in the middle of this one. Now, they've wasted an offseason and potentially the 1st pick in the draft to indecision because of a regime change right before the draft. Just an idiotic way to do business, if you ask me.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 12:29 PM
If Miller falls to them, it's like having a #1 pick ... provided you actually pick the #1 guy.
yea, but as much as id want them to take him, you can set bar as high as he thinks he is gonna set it. think about the next time a upton or prior comes through. they will be asking for 10-12 million

Puffy
06-06-2006, 12:33 PM
I really feel the Reds NEED to take Joba Chamberlain with the 8th pick.

That way, if he makes it to the majors we can post stuff like "If you no help me now Joba, I say {expletive} you. I do it myself"

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 12:37 PM
I really feel the Reds NEED to take Joba Chamberlain with the 8th pick.

That way, if he makes it to the majors we can post stuff like "If you no help me now Joba, I say {expletive} you. I do it myself"

I'm hoping that you'll be able to go to another board and say that personally. :mooner:

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2006, 12:42 PM
Apparently Hochevar does appear to be the 1st guy off the board, with Miller dropping to picks 11-13 somewhere. And somehow we still select Stubbs? I don't like it, we need pitching. However what's really surprising from this piece is that Chamberlain has fallen out of the 1st round alltogether!

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20060605&content_id=1489090&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp

Puffy
06-06-2006, 12:52 PM
I'm hoping that you'll be able to go to another board and say that personally. :mooner:

Hardy, har, har.

Hey, M2 and OnBaseMachine will be here soon so you'll have plenty of people to brown nose, you loser!

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 12:54 PM
Hardy, har, har.

Hey, M2 and OnBaseMachine will be here soon so you'll have plenty of people to brown nose, you loser!

As the mod of this forum, I'm happy to announce that I have banned you for 24 hrs. Sorry you'll miss the draft. :D :laugh:

There's always day 2 of the draft....unless you want to continue your name calling.





*this is only a joke. I repeat this a joke. Puffy is not banned from the site*

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 01:00 PM
joba has injury concerns, i wouldnt go near him

on a BIG NOTE. the dodgers may be taking brian morris at 7, they want him and think he wont make it to their 26th pick. that would be big. like i said yest, we need a few off the board picks ahead of us

Cedric
06-06-2006, 01:00 PM
I have to work at 12:30. Who offers to text me the Reds pick?

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 01:05 PM
not getting the draft preview, can someone link it. it appears im getting an old one from a few days ago when i click on the link

TC81190
06-06-2006, 01:06 PM
I have to work at 12:30. Who offers to text me the Reds pick?

I'll do it, PM me your digits.

Cedric
06-06-2006, 01:07 PM
Awesome. I was half joking, but that would help me out.

Gallen5862
06-06-2006, 01:08 PM
I would grab Miller at number 8 if he is available. I would be estatic to draft Joba Chamberlain in the second round.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 01:18 PM
Less than an hour until the draft.

How we lookin'?

M2
06-06-2006, 01:19 PM
Hardy, har, har.

Hey, M2 and OnBaseMachine will be here soon so you'll have plenty of people to brown nose, you loser!

I can't speak for OBM, but in my case all that behavior would net you is a flowery-smelling nose ... and facial bee stings as the little buggers are drawn to my floral bouquet.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:21 PM
for what it is worth, Jim Callis got all 15 of the 1st picks right last year....

M2
06-06-2006, 01:22 PM
As these reports about Miller dropping at the last second continue to filter in, all I can say is that some smart team won't participate in that madness and I firmly hope it's the Reds.

These latest projections seem to assume the D-Backs are the first team on the board willing to actively work in their own best interest.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:22 PM
The Miller slide has begun eh?

I think it will be amazing if the Dbacks manage to get the best player in the draft for three straight seasons.

REDREAD
06-06-2006, 01:23 PM
I trust these guys to make a reasonable decision and would be ok with Stubbs. Unfortunate that Reds, with all their losing seasons, don't have a top 3 pick. They did one year, but we all know what happened then. . . .

If Stubbs is all he's hyped up to be (I don't know if he is), I wouldn't be upset with the Reds taking him #1 either. I know we need pitching, but we have very few position players in the minors. We've been spoiled the last 10 years by always having solid position players, but I think we are going to see a draught (thanks to poor drafting at the end of the Bowden era and the entire DanO era).

Basically, we need everything in the farm. The Reds should truly be willing to take the best player available, even though they need pitching.

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2006, 01:24 PM
Originally posted bye Gallen5862
I would grab Miller at number 8 if he is available. I would be estatic to draft Joba Chamberlain in the second round.


I'm with you Gallen that could be a hiest of epic proportions.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 01:25 PM
Basically, we need everything in the farm. The Reds should truly be willing to take the best player available, even though they need pitching.

I won't argue with that however, if current projections hold true, Andrew Miller would be the best player on the board at the Reds pick.

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 01:25 PM
Originally posted bye Gallen5862


I'm with you Gallen that could be a hiest of epic proportions.
Some teams have put major red flags next to Joba's name b/c of a potential "serious arm injury".

reds44
06-06-2006, 01:26 PM
If Stubbs is all he's hyped up to be (I don't know if he is), I wouldn't be upset with the Reds taking him #1 either. I know we need pitching, but we have very few position players in the minors. We've been spoiled the last 10 years by always having solid position players, but I think we are going to see a draught (thanks to poor drafting at the end of the Bowden era and the entire DanO era).

Basically, we need everything in the farm. The Reds should truly be willing to take the best player available, even though they need pitching.
I don't mind a position play either, but not an outfielder. 2 of our top prospects (Bruce and Deno) are outfielders, and Dunn and Kearns are both only 26.

REDREAD
06-06-2006, 01:26 PM
I have an easy solution to the problem, and that is MLB pooling resources to fund wood bats for college programs. The dough they spend to do so could theoretically be saved in bonuses given to aluminum bat wonders that flame when they go to wood.

Great idea, but you've got the Lindners and Pollards and Lorias of the world that would be far too cheap to go along with that.

I guess as long as everyone has the same disadvantage of guessing which college hitters will adjust to wood, it's ok as is.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:28 PM
Here is the latest word from the BA "FREE" draft day blog


Late Word From The Top
11:38 a.m.: Multiple sources are confirming that the Royals, as Baseball America has projected, will take Fort Worth Cats righthander Luke Hochevar with the No. 1 choice at 1 p.m. ET. The Dodgers, who pick No. 7, are believed to be zeroing in on Motlow State (Tenn.) CC righthander Bryan Morris. It's possible Morris would be available when Los Angeles picks next at No. 26. But the Dodgers could lose him to the Braves at No. 24 or the Angels at No. 25, and don't want to risk it.
--Jim Callis

tbball10
06-06-2006, 01:28 PM
how long does each team have to pick?

Puffy
06-06-2006, 01:31 PM
I don't mind a position play either, but not an outfielder. 2 of our top prospects (Bruce and Deno) are outfielders, and Dunn and Kearns are both only 26.

First, the Reds are really devoid of positional talent in the minors so if an outfield bat is the best player in their minds then they should grab him. Injuries, trades, etc can always get exceptional players onto the field.

That much being said, I am not sold on Stubbs - here is the Scouts, inc. write up on him (by Keith Law, who worked for the Jays for awhile):

16. Drew Stubbs, CF, University of Texas

Year Team AVG OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB SO SB
2006 Texas .342 .439 .580 243 83 14 4 12 41 60 26
2006 Team USA .304 .385 .370 46 14 3 0 0 6 14 1
2005 Texas .311 .384 .527 283 88 20 4 11 32 71 32

Stubbs is Longoria's primary competition for the spot of top collegiate position player, and where the two sit on various draft boards depends on the various organizations' philosophies. While performance analysis would put Longoria in front, a more traditional, tools-oriented approach would put Stubbs far above Longoria. Stubbs is a well-above average runner and an outstanding defensive center fielder, two things generally lacking in this year's pool of collegiate hitters. However, Stubbs' flaws are substantial -- his raw power shows up in BP, but not as often in games; and he swings and misses far too often to project him to hit for any kind of average, striking out 71 times as a sophomore and 53 times as a junior. As a plus defensive player at a position on the left end of the defensive spectrum, Stubbs is likely to go in the top 20 picks, but I think there's a significant chance that he doesn't hit enough to play every day in the majors.

REDREAD
06-06-2006, 01:31 PM
I won't argue with that however, if current projections hold true, Andrew Miller would be the best player on the board at the Reds pick.

I agree.. I was assuming Stubbs was the best available in the hypothetical arguement above. Let's get the best guy we can.

M2
06-06-2006, 01:33 PM
The Miller slide has begun eh?

I think it will be amazing if the Dbacks manage to get the best player in the draft for three straight seasons.

Agreed. It's almost like if the #1 team passes on him, the group that follows takes it as permission that they can do the same.

My take is that if the Reds had the #1 pick, they'd be crazy to spend it on anyone but Andrew Miller, meaning that passing on him at #8 would only be crazier.

As Puffy posted in another thread, not only is Miller a giant southpaw with immense stuff (hard to hit, high K rate), 80% of his balls-in-play outs are grounders. This kid is the prototype for what the Reds should want in a pitcher.

RedsMan3203
06-06-2006, 01:34 PM
is the draft today or tomorrow?

REDREAD
06-06-2006, 01:34 PM
I don't mind a position play either, but not an outfielder. 2 of our top prospects (Bruce and Deno) are outfielders, and Dunn and Kearns are both only 26.

You can always trade an impact position player for pitching though. Bowden made the comment that when Piazza was traded to the Mets that the 3 arms that Florida got in return would've easily been 1st round picks if they were in the draft.

Last year, it was reported that DanO could've gotten Cliff Lee for Kearns. We got Arroyo for Pena... That's why I firmly believe that the draft should be used to maximize talent regardless of position. If the first 5 picks of the Reds are OF, that's ok, IMO, as long as those guys were the best player available. Of course, that assumes the Reds have good talent evaluation guys, which hopefully they do.

Puffy
06-06-2006, 01:35 PM
As Puffy posted in another thread, not only is Miller a giant southpaw with immense stuff (hard to hit, high K rate), 80% of his balls-in-play outs are grounders. This kid is the prototype for what the Reds should want in a pitcher.

The post he was referring to:

Keith Law, formerly the special assistant to the general manager for the Toronto Blue Jays, is the senior baseball analyst for Scouts Inc. He debuts on ESPN.com with his top 20 prospects for Tuesday's first-year player draft.

1. Andrew Miller, LHP, University of North Carolina

Year School ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO Opp. BA K %
2006 North Carolina 2.26 103.2 82 40 26 1 35 108 .217 26%
2006 Chatham 1.65 49.0 22 11 9 1 23 66 .133 34%
2005 North Carolina 2.98 96.2 78 45 32 4 52 104 .230 25%

The consensus No. 1 pick, Miller has been on prospect radar screens since he was a senior in high school in Florida, when he flashed a 94-95 mph fastball but fell out of the first round due to his seven-figure bonus demands. Tampa Bay selected him in the third round in 2003 but failed to sign him -- another parting gift from Chuck LaMar -- which has worked out well for Miller, who finds himself as the top left-handed starter in a draft thin on first-round talents. Miller's fastball sits in the low 90s, but he can run it up to 96-97 as needed, and he complements it with a plus breaking ball that he sweeps to left-handers but throws with more of a two-plane break to right-handers. Because he's 6-foot-6, Miller's delivery also causes trouble for left-handed hitters. And he was easily the best groundball pitcher among college starter prospects this year, with nearly 80 percent of his field outs coming on the ground.

reds44
06-06-2006, 01:36 PM
is the draft today or tomorrow?
It starts in 24 minutes.

REDREAD
06-06-2006, 01:36 PM
My take is that if the Reds had the #1 pick, they'd be crazy to spend it on anyone but Andrew Miller, meaning that passing on him at #8 would only be crazier.
.

I agree wholeheartedly. Look at what happened when they passed on Kazmir due to a false sense of "signablity" (Kazmir ended up getting less than Gruler).

Always take the best guy. Even if you have someone pull a JD Drew occasionally, you'll still finish ahead.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:37 PM
For grins


Szymanski's last year at school
.362AVG/.433OBP/.610SLG/1043OPS
Stubbs last year at school
.347AVG/.450OBP/.597SLG/1047OPS

reds44
06-06-2006, 01:37 PM
The post he was referring to:

Keith Law, formerly the special assistant to the general manager for the Toronto Blue Jays, is the senior baseball analyst for Scouts Inc. He debuts on ESPN.com with his top 20 prospects for Tuesday's first-year player draft.

1. Andrew Miller, LHP, University of North Carolina

Year School ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO Opp. BA K %
2006 North Carolina 2.26 103.2 82 40 26 1 35 108 .217 26%
2006 Chatham 1.65 49.0 22 11 9 1 23 66 .133 34%
2005 North Carolina 2.98 96.2 78 45 32 4 52 104 .230 25%

The consensus No. 1 pick, Miller has been on prospect radar screens since he was a senior in high school in Florida, when he flashed a 94-95 mph fastball but fell out of the first round due to his seven-figure bonus demands. Tampa Bay selected him in the third round in 2003 but failed to sign him -- another parting gift from Chuck LaMar -- which has worked out well for Miller, who finds himself as the top left-handed starter in a draft thin on first-round talents. Miller's fastball sits in the low 90s, but he can run it up to 96-97 as needed, and he complements it with a plus breaking ball that he sweeps to left-handers but throws with more of a two-plane break to right-handers. Because he's 6-foot-6, Miller's delivery also causes trouble for left-handed hitters. And he was easily the best groundball pitcher among college starter prospects this year, with nearly 80 percent of his field outs coming on the ground.
Ok, that is the kid I want!

:D

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 01:42 PM
For grins

To be fair, though, Szymanski played against Ivy League schools and Stubbs against the Big-12. Still, I see your point - give me a college pitcher, please.

M2
06-06-2006, 01:42 PM
Ok, that is the kid I want!

:D

Reds nation would burst into song if the club drafted him. It's not hyperbole to say he's been tabbed as the top talent in this draft for the last three years.

All it will take is two little words for the Reds front office to gain genius status - "Andrew" and "Miller"

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 01:44 PM
Reds nation would burst into song if the club drafted him. It's not hyperbole to say he's been tabbed as the top talent in this draft for the last three years.

If he's there and the Reds pass on him, I quite possibly could pass out and then wake up and kick something or somebody...hard.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:44 PM
T-minus 15.

If it wasn't 9:45 in the morning, I'd say it' be a perfect Beer-30 moment.

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 01:47 PM
Well, Miller was the only top HS guy drafted that did not sign a contract. The 2003 HS class was a very impressive one, and nearly all of the top talent signed with MLB teams out of the draft. He has held his own as the top talent in the 2006 draft for about the entire time since he didnt sign and became a guy eligible for the 2006 draft. If the Reds get Miller....I might do something completley insane.

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2006, 01:49 PM
I watched a clip of Miller on ESPN motion last night. He states "85-92,93 MPH FB (2 seamer, which is where he gets his grounders). Also has a 4 seamer & cutter (he uses like a mini-slider) Slider 80-84,85 (only off speed pitch) and he can K people when he needs them but he is more interested in keeping his pitch count down this is why he gets so many GB's. He does state that he needs to work some on his control etc.

If anyone wants to see it it's on ESPN's front page 2nd section (spotlight section) down on the left under MLB draft.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:51 PM
Well, Miller was the only top HS guy drafted that did not sign a contract. The 2003 HS class was a very impressive one, and nearly all of the top talent signed with MLB teams out of the draft. He has held his own as the top talent in the 2006 draft for about the entire time since he didnt sign and became a guy eligible for the 2006 draft. If the Reds get Miller....I might do something completley insane.

Stubbs was also a non-signed HS player in the 3rd round of 2003. Was picked 89th overall by the Astros.

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 01:52 PM
Totally forgot about that....Miller was the highest HS pick that didnt sign though, right?

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:53 PM
Looks like all the early picks have already signed deals


arly Picks May Have Done Deals
12:46 p.m.: A source familiar with the negotiations says the teams and the players that will be picks at Nos. 2-3-4 have agreed to financial parameters. The Rockies will give Stanford righthander Greg Reynolds $3.25 million; the Devil Rays will pay Long Beach State third baseman Evan Longoria $3 million; and the Pirates will dole out $2.75 million to Houston righthander Brad Lincoln.
--Jim Callis

osuceltic
06-06-2006, 01:53 PM
I'm hearing they like Stubbs but now they're not sure he'll be there. Bard, Kershaw and Reynolds are the other names they're watching.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 01:53 PM
Totally forgot about that....Miller was the highest HS pick that didnt sign though, right?

yep - he was the 68th overall pick

http://www.baseballamerica.com/cgi-bin/03draftdb_rnd.cgi?rnd=3

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 01:54 PM
yep

hochevar
reynolds
longoria
lincoln


thats gonna leave a few guys falling to us i would love, morrow, lincecum, miller, kershaw, bard, etc. especially if the dodgers take morris

REDREAD
06-06-2006, 01:55 PM
I watched a clip of Miller on ESPN motion last night. He states "88-92,93 MPH FB (2 seamer, which is where he gets his grounders). Slider 80-84,85 and he can K people when he needs them but he is more interested in keeping his pitch count down this is why he gets so many GB's. .

"Pitch to contact" :laugh: Sorry, had to say it. I know that has negative connotations here, but it seems like this guy really "gets" what that's supposed to mean. I hope the guy slips to us.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 01:55 PM
I'm hearing they like Stubbs but now they're not sure he'll be there. Bard, Kershaw and Reynolds are the other names they're watching.
id be :angry: if they took stubbs over kershaw, miller, bard, lincecum

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 01:57 PM
Exciting!!!!!!

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 01:57 PM
Damn. Looks like Morrow is going to Seattle per MLB.com.

reds44
06-06-2006, 01:58 PM
yep

hochevar
reynolds
longoria
lincoln


thats gonna leave a few guys falling to us i would love, morrow, lincecum, miller, kershaw, bard, etc. especially if the dodgers take morris
Miller needs to get past 3 more teams.

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 01:58 PM
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M2
06-06-2006, 01:58 PM
I'll add that landing Miller would improve the public profile of the entire franchise.

It would be a gauntlet on the ground that the Reds aren't a second-class citizen anymore.

Miller could lend credibility to every other talent in the farm system. He's the kind of talent that can change industry perception about a franchise. He'd be like the iPod was to Apple.

NatiRedGals
06-06-2006, 01:58 PM
Ya i dont even mind if millers hurt he can return to his true form wow they just had us picking stubbs sad anyway ya miller all the way if he falls cause he can pitch this year!

reds44
06-06-2006, 01:58 PM
MLB.com tv guys have us taking Stubbs.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 01:59 PM
they are still sayin stubbs, i cant stand this.

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2006, 01:59 PM
Miller or Lincecum is my pick if I'm picking here. Just for the record!

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 02:00 PM
Andrew Miller=Oakland version of Mark Mulder?

Come on Buckley, take him please.

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 02:00 PM
Last Second Top 10 Projection
12:57 p.m.: Our last-second projection for the Top 10 . . .
1. KC--Luke Hochevar
2. Col--Greg Reynolds
3. TB--Evan Longoria
4. Pit--Brad Lincoln
5. Sea--Brandon Morrow
6. Det--Clayton Kershaw (but this is the first possible stop for Andrew Miller, too)
7. LAD--Bryan Morris
8. Cin--Drew Stubbs
9. Bal--Billy Rowell
10. SF--Daniel Bard
--Jim Callis

Uh oh.

TC81190
06-06-2006, 02:00 PM
Seriously, if we take Stubbs and Drabek/Lincecum/MIller are available, I'll be livid to say the least.

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 02:00 PM
As long as we dont take Stubbs....I will feel good. Stop saying Stubbs!

NatiRedGals
06-06-2006, 02:00 PM
O and to let everyone on here know we arent saying Stubbs aint a good player we just need pitching and if we get a chance to grab someone like miller we gotta take it

Az. Reds Fan
06-06-2006, 02:01 PM
From MLB.TV sounds as if we better get used to Stubbs...like it or not.

MikeS21
06-06-2006, 02:01 PM
Folks on MLB radio still have the Reds going with Stubbs. You would hope that if Miller is still there at 8, the Reds would take the plunge. But they also said Miller may go to Detroit or the Dodgers.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 02:01 PM
But the MLB.tv guys said it was just the "natural progression" to believe the Reds would take Stubbs at that pick.

Makes me believe they don't have any insider info about it, just their inner thoughts.

NC Reds
06-06-2006, 02:01 PM
Firewall at work is blocking MLB TV. :( Updates will be appreciated.

REDREAD
06-06-2006, 02:01 PM
Let's hope the projections by the TV guys are based on the years of Lindner/Allen short funding the draft..

NatiRedGals
06-06-2006, 02:01 PM
Sure thing NC :)

WVRed
06-06-2006, 02:02 PM
Its draft time.

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:02 PM
Uh oh.
No, don't do it Wayne.

cumberlandreds
06-06-2006, 02:03 PM
The Reds should take nothing but pitching. Anything else would be a disapointment.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:04 PM
No Stubbs, no Stubbs.

This guy could be the most hated 1st round pick in recent memory.

NatiRedGals
06-06-2006, 02:04 PM
I believe there basing it on something laster year seriously because stubbs wont be the best avabile and every person in the head office have said we take the best

Az. Reds Fan
06-06-2006, 02:04 PM
Think the Reds FO is smart enough to throw up such a huge smokescreen? Hopefully a pitcher that they really like ends up falling...we'll see...

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2006, 02:04 PM
Guys on XM also have us taking Stubbs.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:04 PM
No Stubbs, no Stubbs.

This guy could be the most hated 1st round pick in recent memory.

LOL.. worse than Homer? ;) jk

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:04 PM
No Stubbs, please no Stubbs.

I feel like a Jets fan on draft day.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:05 PM
BA's last second top 10 mock has us at Stubbs still as well.. I hope not..

:pray:

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:05 PM
Hochevar goes #1 to the Royals.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 02:05 PM
Lets roll

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:05 PM
No Stubbs, please no Stubbs.

I feel like a Jets fan on draft day.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Lord, I never thought I'd equate myself with a Jets fan.. but I know what you mean now.

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:05 PM
Here we go!!

tbball10
06-06-2006, 02:06 PM
i'll trust whoever they choose to pick

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 02:06 PM
Guys on XM also have us taking Stubbs.

They're the same guys on MLB.com's radio.

Also, I'm happy draft coverage has been stepped up this year. Last year, BA crashed and MLB.com's radio was basically some kid with a ham radio.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:06 PM
Greg Reynolds goes #2 to the Rockies, RHP, Stanford.

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 02:06 PM
Royals select Luke Hockevar.

WVRed
06-06-2006, 02:06 PM
Hochevar goes to KC

LoganBuck
06-06-2006, 02:06 PM
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What he said!

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:06 PM
Can't believe the Rockies didn't take Langoria.. they were high on him all week supposedly.. Reynolds was overdrafted IMO..

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
Longoria goes #3 to the Rays.

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
Microphone troubles?

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
Brad Lincoln goes #4 to the Pirates.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
Pierats take Lincoln.. so far shaking down as expected..

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
Why doesn't TB realize they need pitching?

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
reynolds to colorado

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
Morrow goes #5 to the Mariners.

WVRed
06-06-2006, 02:08 PM
How are you getting these picks so fast?

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Seattle takes Marrow

Gallen5862
06-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Here are some players from my hometown that I would like to see the Reds take chances on. A couple were near top 5 round consideration.
http://starnewsonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060606/NEWS/60606002/1005/SPORTS
MLB draft could have local flavor

By Chuck Carree
Staff Writer
chuck.carree@starnewsonline.com



If things go as projected, three local players will be chosen today in the annual Major League Baseball Draft held in the commissioner’s office in New York.

The group of selected players is expected to grow on Wednesday’s final day.

Experts predict UNC-Wilmington’s Chris Hatcher and John Raynor will be the first area players drafted. The only question is which who goes first?

Baseball America considers Raynor, a senior center fielder, the eighth overall in-state prospect, three spots ahead of Hatcher, a junior switch-hitting catcher.

But six scouts all said Hatcher would go ahead of Raynor. One scout said Hatcher could go in the fourth or fifth round because of a dearth of catching.

“A lot of people don’t know if he’s going to hit, but there isn’t a lot of catchers available,’’ the scout said.

In addition to Raynor and Hatcher, former Wilmington Sharks, ex-Laney High School star and former University of North Carolina speedster Blair Waggett also is projected to go today.

“I like him,’’ the same scout said. “We got him in low – the 15th to 20th round. “He’s a lot stronger than you’d think. He’s an interesting guy.’’

Waggett played three years for the Tar Heels before transferring to Campbell. On the Camels’ scout day, he ran 60 yards in 6.37 seconds, making him one of the swiftest outfield prospects.

Some scouts said he strikes out too much, especially chasing high pitches; Baseball America called him a middle-round sleeper.

Since the draft is 50 rounds, several local players might be taken Wednesday, most notably Laney senior Samson Williams, a raw but athletic outfielder headed for Louisburg College.

He projects as a draft and follow player – meaning the team that selects him controls his contract rights for nearly a year, until one week before next year’s draft. It is standard practice for players going to junior college.

“He’s a good-looking athlete,’’ one scout said. “He may need a little more time before going out to the minor leagues. He just needs time to develop. He runs well, has a good arm and a nice swing. He just mis-hits some balls. He looks like he needs some more at-bats.’’

Besides Williams, some scouts say UNCW’s Adam Paul, Matt Poulk, Michael Marbry and Thomas Benton also could go late.

Paul, a sidearm relief pitcher, and Benton, who set a school single-season record with 120 2/3 innings pitched, seem to have the best chances.

“I would take him,’’ one scout said of Paul. “He’s got enough velocity if he hits his spots and throws strikes with his changeup.’’

Poulk and Marbry are regarded as fill-ins, meaning teams take them to round out a rookie league or Short A roster.

One scout also called Benton a fill-in, but two other scouts like him.

Benton throws across his body when delivering pitches. It is not a picturesque motion, but another scout considered it an asset.

“Benton is a guy who has a deceptive delivery, making it hard to pick up the ball for a batter,’’ the scout said. “He is not overpowering. He knows he has to allow contact and rely on his defense to make plays behind him.’’

But most local draft talks center around Hatcher and Raynor.

“Hatcher is an athletic catcher with a good arm,’’ one scout said. “He’s a switch-hitter, which helps. His body is still kind of projectable. I don’t think he’s fully-grown yet as far as strength goes.’’

Raynor was a 12th-round pick by the Baltimore Orioles last year and one scout called him one of the fastest players in the nation. Another scout gave him a 70 grade on a scale of 80 for speed. Twenty represents the slowest and 50 is an average runner.

The same scout called Raynor’s arm playable and said he had average power. Like with Hatcher, he wondered if Raynor could hit professional pitching.

Chuck Carree: 343-2262

chuck.carree@starnewsonline.com.

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Brad Lincoln goes #4 to the Pirates.
Wow you're ahead.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Miller goes to Detroit.. DAMN!

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Detroit takes ANDREW MILLER #6.

Damn.

nmculbreth
06-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Miller to Detroit. Oh well....

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:09 PM
Damn, miller and Verlander and Zumaya are going to make a nice front 3 of the rotation in Detroit..

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:09 PM
Nooooooooo

membengal
06-06-2006, 02:09 PM
Will this be like on Bengals' draft chat boards when people have to be put on suicide watch over the picks???

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 02:10 PM
that seals it, the Reds will take Stubbs now

WVRed
06-06-2006, 02:10 PM
Will this be like on Bengals' draft chat boards when people have to be put on suicide watch over the picks???

I'm starting to wonder.

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 02:10 PM
If we take stubbs, yes.

NatiRedGals
06-06-2006, 02:10 PM
I have a feeling that video of pitsburgh pick didnt really make it to 147 mph LOL

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2006, 02:10 PM
I don't see any way the Reds will not pick Stubbs.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:10 PM
Will this be like on Bengals' draft chat boards when people have to be put on suicide watch over the picks???

If stubbs is taken..

watch out..

I'm still holding out hope we take Lincecum!!!

M2
06-06-2006, 02:11 PM
Bummer about the Tigers taking Miller.

dabvu2498
06-06-2006, 02:11 PM
MLB.com's draft tracker is fast!

NC Reds
06-06-2006, 02:11 PM
Linecum please

Benihana
06-06-2006, 02:11 PM
kershaw rowell lincecum or stubbs, who do you take?

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:12 PM
Lincecum.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2006, 02:12 PM
kershaw rowell lincecum or stubbs, who do you take?
Linecum

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:12 PM
If the Dodgers would ever pick!!!!

Yeesh.. hurry the eff up.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:12 PM
Dodgers take Clayton Kershaw #7.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:12 PM
Kershaw to the Dodgers..

WVRed
06-06-2006, 02:12 PM
Lincecum.

No thanks, hes an injury waiting to happen.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Dodgers take Kershaw

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Anyone got a direct link to the conference call? I want to hear what Tommy Lasorda made fun of this year. :(

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
kershaw la

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Board almost crashed. A Stubbs pick will crash it.

Caveat Emperor
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Will this be like on Bengals' draft chat boards when people have to be put on suicide watch over the picks???

Only if we get stuck with a useless position player..

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
friggin stubbs to cincy.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Reds take Stubbs.

Booooooo.

M2
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Linecum or Bard, please

NC Reds
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Sounds like a Bowden pick to me.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo!@@

cincy09
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
boooooo

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 02:13 PM
Damn.

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
I might be more disappointed right now than ever, since we had so many choices and picked the one that made the least sense.

GoReds
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
crap sandwich

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Unreal. An organization weak in pitching and loaded in outfielders takes another outfielder.

BRM
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
:bang:

nmculbreth
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Good god.....

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Orioles take Rowell.

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Man

M2
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Sounds like a Bowden pick to me.

Exactly.

membengal
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
So, the franchise is doomed because this guy is Paul Householder/Clint Hurdle all wrapped into one?

LoganBuck
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Great Just Great

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Rowell to the Orioles.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 02:14 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/06/24/gallery.collworldseries/gallery3.jpg

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:15 PM
<cartman>Chris Buckley needs to get kicked in the NUTS!</cartman>

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 02:15 PM
Stupid. Why do the Reds always screw up the draft.

Jeez.

Bard and Lincecum still available and you pass on them!?!

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:15 PM
Let's wait and see how the rest of the draft unfolds....

I'm hoping for a miracle turn around. If we get good pitchers in the 2nd and 3rd, I'll be ok.

Outshined_One
06-06-2006, 02:15 PM
Lincecum to the Giants.

Caveat Emperor
06-06-2006, 02:15 PM
I hate rooting for this team.

It's like stabbing yourself in your face with a spork over and over again.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:15 PM
Giants take Lincecum.

D-Backs take Scherzer.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:16 PM
Arizona takes Max.. surprised.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:16 PM
Drabek to the cubs!! watch!

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:16 PM
Pick #12- Rangers.

They take Kasey Kiker.

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 02:16 PM
I hate rooting for this team.

It's like stabbing yourself in your face with a spork over and over again.

Exactly.

LoganBuck
06-06-2006, 02:16 PM
On the plus side Dayton Dragons fans may never see another ball hit the ground in the outfield this season.

Doc. Scott
06-06-2006, 02:16 PM
Question: Would people have rather the Reds taken Rowell over Stubbs if it was one or the other?

Given how Kriv loves him some D, I'm not surprised on that front. But I really thought the Reds would take a pitcher because I was figuring the draftniks were assuming Cincinnati was still hung up on toolsy outfielders. Now, the sole of my shoe bears teeth marks.

GoReds
06-06-2006, 02:16 PM
Where's Miller?

I see now. #6 to Detroit.

TC81190
06-06-2006, 02:17 PM
Stubbs? Seriously...Stubbs? There's Lincecum....Drabek....but Stubbs.

pedro
06-06-2006, 02:17 PM
Ok, so is stubbs a reach or is just that folks would rather see a pitcher taken?

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:17 PM
Cubs take Tyler Colvin.

WOW.

Gallen5862
06-06-2006, 02:17 PM
How are you guys getting ahead on picks? I am listening to mlb. com on dialup they just did pick number 9. Why did we pick Stubbs with Pitchers on the board?

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:17 PM
Tyler Colvin!?

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:17 PM
Well, what can you tell me about Stubbs?

I know he is a good defender, so that is good.

cumberlandreds
06-06-2006, 02:17 PM
I don't know a lot about the in and outs of the baseball draft but why wouldn't any team not pick a pitcher in the 1st round? I don't think I would take a position player unless he was the 2nd coming of Willie Mays. If pitching is that bad it would only make sense to do that.

KoryMac5
06-06-2006, 02:18 PM
Stubbs and Bruce could be the future of the Reds outfield. I don't love the pick but I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt.

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:18 PM
How are you guys getting ahead on picks? I am listening to mlb. com on dialup they just did pick number 9. Why did we pick Stubbs with Pitchers on the board?
B/c we're idiots.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:18 PM
Blue Jays take Travis Snider.

cincyinco
06-06-2006, 02:18 PM
At least we didn't take Travis Colvin.. yeesh. I can live with Stubbs. Dissapointed sure, but I can live with it.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
I'm using the MLB.com draft tracker pop up. Seems to be going faster than other sources.

pedro
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Everyone is pissing and moaning and it may well be justified but give us some reasoning instead of monosyllabic grunting. :)

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
well - he is a Red now, so it's time to hope the scouting reports are wrong and Stubbs is the stud outfielder we all hope

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
nats take Chris Marrero. thank god they didn't take my boy Burriss.

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Ok, so is stubbs a reach or is just that folks would rather see a pitcher taken?
Probably the later for most of us.

Can we get a scouting report on Stubbs? I will withhold judgement until I actually learn about him.

OnBaseMachine
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Ok, so is stubbs a reach or is just that folks would rather see a pitcher taken?

Not a reach, but there were too many good college pitchers available to pick an outfielder.

Stubbs could be the next Mike Cameron...or the next B.J. Szymanski.

Caveat Emperor
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Ok, so is stubbs a reach or is just that folks would rather see a pitcher taken?

Toolsy CFs with speed and a high whiff rate are a dime a dozen.

Good pitching is hard to find.

Period.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:19 PM
Brewers take Jeremy Jeffress.

GoReds
06-06-2006, 02:20 PM
Not a reach, but there were too many good college pitchers available to pick an outfielder.

Stubbs could be the next Mike Cameron...or the next B.J. Szymanski.

Or the next John Oliver/Chad Mottola.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:20 PM
Padres take Matt Antonelli.

I seem to always like the Pads drafts...

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:20 PM
Everyone is pissing and moaning and it may well be justified but give us some reasoning instead of monosyllabic grunting. :)
Check the Reds pitching stats over the past few years. :)

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:21 PM
Phillies take Drabek at #18.

pedro
06-06-2006, 02:21 PM
I looked at his stats and he does whiff a lot.

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 02:21 PM
Phillies take Drabek

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:21 PM
Drabek to Philly.

GoReds
06-06-2006, 02:21 PM
Drabek to the Phils.

That seems to fit, somehow.

Doc. Scott
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
RL, where's the link to the pop-up tracker?

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Marlins take Brett Sinkbeil at #19.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
im gonna puke. if they were true and took BPA, then buckley needs to go. i dont care if stubbs hits his full potential(all i see is bj when i look at him) he still isnt bpa here.

pathetic. well, i guess i can get back to doing work.

dougdirt
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
well here is to hoping we get a steal in round #2 to make up for Stubbs.

pedro
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Check the Reds pitching stats over the past few years. :)

That doesn;t tell me anything about the guy we did take or who we should have taken instead. :)

rdiersin
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Padres take Matt Antonelli.

I seem to always like the Pads drafts...
I almost picked him there in the mock draft because of Grady Fuson and Kevin Towers.

reds44
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Wow Bruce and Stubbs in Dayton. Our pitchers got to love that because they will catch everything.

edabbs44
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Florida loves pitching.

jmcclain19
06-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Stubbs was considered a borderline first-round talent coming out of high school in 2003. He would have signed with the Astros for $900,000 as a third-rounder if Major League Baseball hadn't persuaded Houston owner Drayton McLane not to exceed its bonus recommendation. Had he turned pro then, scouts wouldn't have to fret over his bat now. The best athlete in college baseball, Stubbs is a potential Gold Glove center fielder with plus raw power, plus-plus speed and an average arm. Though he has improved his approach and is using the whole field more as a junior, scouts believe his bat is far from a sure thing. He has struck out roughly once a game throughout his Longhorns career, and his contact rate hasn't improved this spring. He also hit a soft .304 with wood bats while on Team USA last summer. He still ranks second behind only Evan Longoria among position prospects in 2006. In last year's draft, which was much deeper in hitters, Stubbs would have lasted until the late first round. But with a scarcity of position players this year, he could go as high as No. 6 overall to the Tigers and probably won't get past the top 10 picks.

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
Twins take 1B Chris Parmelee at #20.

xerplastic
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
Its okay guys.

From Stubbs Bio http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=18&change_well_id=17&member_id=16

Batted .362 and .363, respectively, with runners on base and in scoring position.

Obviously this was the impetus behind drafting him.

savafan
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
Drew Stubbs #13
Height: 6-4
Weight: 201
Class: Jr.-2L
Hometown: Atlanta, TX (Atlanta)

Considered one of the top all-around college players in the country … a 2005 All-American as well as Academic All-American ... a five-tool player who can not only hit for both power and average, but also possesses tremendous speed and a plus outfield throwing arm … expected to be UT’s starting center fielder for a third straight year in 2006.

SOPHOMORE (2005)
· Third-Team All-American - Collegiate Baseball
· ABCA First-Team All-Central Region
· First-Team All-Big 12
· Austin NCAA Regional All-Tournament Team
· ESPN The Magazine Third-Team Academic All-American
· ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District VI
· First-Team Academic All-Big 12
· USA Baseball National Team Member
· First-Team Preseason All-American - Baseball America
· Third-Team Preseason All-American - Collegiate Baseball & NCBWA
· Fall 2004 & Spring 2005 Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll

2005 Season
· Texas’ starting center fielder in all 72 games who reached base safely in 65 of those contests and hit safely in 56 games.
· Batted .311 overall to rank sixth on the club in hitting.
· Ranked among the top 10 conference players in steals (32 - 1st), runs (67 - 3rd), doubles (20 - t4th), hits (88 - 4th), total bases (149 - t5th) and home runs (11 - t9th), while pacing the Horns in sacrifice hits (21), home runs, runs scored and stolen bases.
· Second on the club in hits (88), RBI (46), doubles, triples (4), total bases, multi-hit (26) and multi-RBI (15) contests.
· Recorded a 19-game hitting streak to mark a career-best and tie for the fourth longest streak in University of Texas history.
· Batted .362 and .363, respectively, with runners on base and in scoring position.
· Owned seven game-winning RBI to go along with 23 two-out RBI.
· Hit .283 during conference action to rank sixth on the team. Also ranked among the top 10 league hitters in Big 12 play with 10 steals.
· Swiped a team-best eight bases and posted a club-high nine sacrifice hits, while ranking second on the team in on-base percentage (.432), runs scored (15) and doubles (3) during postseason action. Also hit .281 with eight RBI and one home run in 17 postseason contests.

2005 Highlights
· Named a Collegiate Baseball Louisville Slugger Player of the Week, the NCBWA/Pro-Line Cap National Player of the Week and Big 12 Player of the Week after hitting a combined .556 with four home runs, six runs scored, a pair of steals and 11 RBI during UT’s game with UTSA (2/15) and series with No.5 Stanford (2/18-20). Notably, he also tallied all three game-winning RBI against the Cardinal while also connecting on inside-the-park home runs in consecutive games (2/19-20) to become the first UT player to record an inside-the-park home run since Omar Quintanilla versus Arizona on March 9, 2003.
· Went 2-for-4 with two RBI and one run scored at No. 4 Nebraska (4/10).
· Hit a team-best .545 over a three-game series with Oklahoma (4/15-17) while scoring three runs, connecting on two home runs (including a walk-off blast over the Disch-Falk Field scoreboard in extra innings on April 15) and amassing five RBI, three steals and two game-winning RBI en route to being named the Big 12 Player of the Week on April 19.
· Combined with teammate Seth Johnston on back-to-back, ninth-inning home runs at Oklahoma State (4/23).
· Recorded at least one hit in each of Texas’ three games versus No. 14 Missouri (4/29-5/1) while also scoring two runs and swiping two bases.
· Batted .421 (8-for-19) over Texas’ five games during the Austin NCAA Regional (6/3-6/6) while tallying eight runs scored, seven RBI, three doubles, one triple, one home run and four stolen bases en route to being named to the All-Tournament Team.
· Set a new College World Series (CWS) record with five sacrifice bunts during UT’s five games in Omaha, while also making a game-saving catch against No. 4 Baylor (6/22) during the semifinals to help the Horns capture their sixth overall National Championship.
· Batted .304 with five runs scored, three doubles, six RBI and one steal in 19 games for the USA Baseball National Team under the direction of head coach Steve Smith in the summer of 2005. Also aided the Americans in winning their final 11 games to end the summer campaign with a 16-4 overall record.

FRESHMAN (2004)
· Freshman All-American - Baseball America & Collegiate Baseball
· Big 12 Freshman Player of the Year
· First-Team All-Big 12
· USA Baseball National Team Member
· Austin NCAA Regional All-Tournament Team
· Midseason All-American - Baseball America
· Fall 2003 & Spring 2004 Big 12 Commissioner’s Honor Roll

2004 Season
· Started 70 of the 71 games in which he appeared in center field.
· Headlined the Horns and tied for second in the league with 28 steals.
· Finished fourth on the team in batting (.301) while ranking among the top five on the club in runs (51-2nd), hits (80-2nd), doubles (16-t3rd), triples (3-t2nd), home runs (8-2nd), RBI (47-4th), total bases (126-2nd), slugging (.474-2nd), walks (28-t5th), multi-hit games (24-2nd), multi-RBI contests (13-2nd) and two-out RBI (24-1st).
· Tallied four game-winning RBI and a 12-game hitting streak.
· Batted .303 or higher with runners on base and in scoring position.
· Became UT’s all-time freshmen hits leader (80), while pacing all league freshmen in home runs, steals, triples and slugging.
· Started 24 of Texas’ 26 conference games and hit .277 while totaling a team-best 19 runs scored, three doubles, one triple, a pair of home runs, 12 RBI, a .394 slugging percentage and a club-high 10 steals, which placed him fourth among Big 12 players during league action.
· Lead the team with 18 RBI, five steals, and two triples during postseason action while batting .317 and tallying three home runs and four doubles.

2004 Highlights
· Accumulated six hits in 13 at bats (.461) while scoring four runs, driving in four more, doubling once, connecting on one home run and stealing two bases during a three-game set at Hawaii (1/30-2/1).
· Hit .444 over Texas’ three-game series with San Diego State (2/27-29) as he went a combined 4-for-9 while also swiping three bases, tallying two RBI and scoring twice. Also became the 27th player in stadium history to hit a home run over the center field wall during that series on Feb. 29.
· Went 3-for-7 with two steals over two games versus No. 17 Cal St. Fullerton (3/5&7).
· Blasted his third home run of the year at No. 3 Rice (3/9).
· Posted a career-high four RBI versus Eastern Michigan (3/13).
· Hit .500 with four RBI over three games with Oklahoma State (3/26-28).
· Went 2-for-2 with two steals and one RBI versus No. 3 Rice (4/13).
· Turned in a 2-for-4 effort that included a home run, a pair of steals, two runs scored and two RBI during the series opener at Baylor (4/16). Also swiped three bases and scored five runs during the series with the Bears.
· Netted his first career three-hit performance during the opening game of UT’s series opposite No. 16 Nebraska (4/23) while also accounting for one double, a stolen base, one RBI and a run scored in that tilt.
· Batted .350 during the Big 12 Tournament while also driving in five runs and scoring twice. Additionally, he turned in a 2-for-5 tourney effort that included one run and three RBI versus No. 10 Texas A&M (5/27).
· Collected two multi-hit as well as multi-RBI efforts while also accounting for one home run, a .385 average, one triple and two stolen bases during the Austin NCAA Regional Tournament (6/4-6).
· Went a combined 4-for-8 with five runs scored, five RBI and two home runs, including his second over the center field wall at Disch-Falk Field to become the third player to ever hit two round-trippers over the 20-foot-high wall and the first freshman to do so, during NCAA Super Regional action versus No. 15 Vanderbilt (6/11-12).
· Started all five of Texas’ College World Series games in center field while collecting four hits, scoring two runs and tallying three RBI.
· Made 18 center field starts out of the 20 games in which he played for the USA Baseball National Team under the direction of head coach Frank Cruz during the summer of 2004. Aided the Americans in posting an 18-7 record, including an unblemished 8-0 mark during the FISU World University Championships in Taiwan to capture the Gold Medal.
· Held the fourth-highest batting average on Team USA by hitting at a .319 clip for the summer season (22-for-69) while scoring 14 runs, connecting on six doubles and one triple, tallying nine RBI, tying for the team lead with five stolen bases and boasting a .435 slugging percentage.
· Batted .407 during the FISU Championships to rank second on the club in hitting while playing in all eight games, making seven starts, scoring six runs, amassing five RBI and accounting for a .593 slugging mark as well as a .500 on-base percentage. Also delivered the game-winning, two-run triple in the fifth inning of the gold medal game in which the Americans came from behind to claim a 4-2 victory over Japan.

HIGH SCHOOL
· A four-sport star at Atlanta High School who lettered all four years in baseball and three times in football, basketball and track (1999-2003). Also captained each of those squads at least once during his career and was twice named the captain of the baseball team.
· Tabbed an All-District performer three times as a center fielder for head coach Randy Raley’s Rabbits and helped lead Atlanta High School to three district championships during his tenure (2000, 2002 and 2003).
· Followed a freshman season in which he batted .328 overall with 11 runs scored and seven RBI, with a sophomore campaign that saw him hit .393 while scoring 24 runs and driving in 18 RBI behind 26 hits, including five doubles, one triple and one home run.
· Garnered All-State honors as a junior in 2002 after tallying 23 RBI and 35 runs scored to go along with a career-high .486 batting average, eight doubles, one triple and five round-trippers.
· Capped his four-year career with a 2003 campaign in which he batted .407 with 30 runs scored, 20 RBI and 37 hits, including four doubles and five home runs, to his credit. Was also named to the Texas High School Baseball Coaches Association (THSBCA) North All-Star Team as a senior.
· A two-time All-District (2001 and 2002) and first-team Academic All-State performer (2002) as a quarterback and free safety for head coach Ben Scharnberg’s Rabbits who helped Atlanta High School claim district football titles in 2000, 2001 and 2002.
· Earned second-team All-District recognition as a senior forward for head coach Jared Boston’s basketball squad and aided the Rabbits in winning consecutive district titles in 2002 and 2003.
· Helped head coach Lance Bernard’s Atlanta High School track team win four straight district crowns and back-to-back state titles (2002-2003) by claiming individual state championships in the 400 and 1600 relays and becoming a state qualifier in the 300 intermediate hurdles as well as the triple jump.
· The salutatorian of his graduating class who was also a Caps Scholar and was recognized as Atlanta High School’s top English, math and Spanish student. Was also a member of the National Honor Society and named a Superintendent’s Scholar during each of his four years.
· Participated in Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the Calculus Club, Young Republicans, the Spanish Club, United Methodist Youth Fellowship, the History Club and the Big Brothers Program during high school.
· Selected in the third round (No. 89 overall) of the 2003 Major League Baseball First-Year Player Draft by the Houston Astros.
· Played center field for head coach Pat Cauley’s Texarkana Indians (Texarkana, Texas) over the summers of 2002 and 2003. Batted .475 with seven home runs and 45 RBI for the Indians following his junior season and not only picked up state tournament MVP honors that year, but also helped Texarkana win its league and finish second in the state.

PERSONAL
Born Robert Andrew Stubbs on Oct. 4, 1984, in Texarkana, Texas … parents are Rick and Katherine Stubbs … has two brothers, Jody and Clint … his father, Rick, attended Louisiana Tech University and ran track from 1970-74 … a management major ... Member of the UT Student-Athlete Advisory Committee.

NewEraReds
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
Wow Bruce and Stubbs in Dayton. Our pitchers got to love that because they will catch everything.
i doubt stubbs starts in dayton. sarasota at the lowest

Red Leader
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
Yankees take Ian Kennedy at #21.

NC Reds
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
My disagreement with the pick has nothing to do with Stubbs. I think Linecum and Scherzer made a lot more sense when looking at the organization's needs.

redssouth
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
I cant believe the thought process on this board... you take the best available player... you dont address big league current needs throught the amatuer draft. Obviously Stubbs was a higher rated prospect on the reds draft board than any available college pitcher. Reaching for needs is how you butcher the draft. This is this administrations first draft, give them the benefit of the draft.

membengal
06-06-2006, 02:24 PM
So...reading between the lines on everyone's unhappy comments, it appears that Stubbs is a defensive whiz with a good bat who Ks a lot and a college pitcher could have helped and helped soon.

Looking at WK in his first draft, with one of the thing's he says he looks for is defensive prowress, should we assume that part of the appeal of Stubbs was his glove?