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GOREDSGO32
06-09-2006, 06:36 PM
I read the Reds were 12 games over .500 in June 2004?

Redhook
06-09-2006, 06:40 PM
I read the Reds were 12 games over .500 in June 2004?

injuries, no depth, bad pitching, bad manager, lack of talent....we're much better off this year.

Fullboat
06-09-2006, 06:42 PM
No Tony Womack?

GOREDSGO32
06-09-2006, 06:42 PM
I can't even remember we were 12 games over .. the last 7 years have all molded together like a big clop of dirt.

GOREDSGO32
06-09-2006, 06:43 PM
No Tony Womack?

He made the WS that year, and was an all star right ..?

billy117
06-09-2006, 06:45 PM
He made the WS that year, and was an all star right ..?
I totally agree with you about Tony Womack. My only question to you is how much more does he have to do to be considered for the HOF when he retires?

reds44
06-09-2006, 06:48 PM
We had an awful run differential (we were being outscored by like 20 runs, but we were 12 over), to answer your question simply we were getting lucky.

Redhook
06-09-2006, 06:48 PM
I totally agree with you about Tony Womack. My only question to you is how much more does he have to do to be considered for the HOF when he retires?

I'd imagine he's already got it locked up....I see no reason whatsoever that he wouldn't make it. ;)

KronoRed
06-09-2006, 06:55 PM
The Oakland A's

westofyou
06-09-2006, 06:56 PM
The stat guys got yelled at.

macro
06-09-2006, 11:40 PM
He made the WS that year, and was an all star right ..?

Tony Womack was not on the All Star team in 2004. Yes, he made the World Series, but so did the Cardinals batboys.

reds44
06-09-2006, 11:42 PM
Tony Womack was not on the All Star team in 2004. Yes, he made the World Series, but so did the Cardinals batboys.
yes he was. He started at 2B.

macro
06-09-2006, 11:58 PM
yes he was. He started at 2B.

Then why do Baseball Reference and Baseball Almanac not make mention of it or include his name on the roster?

:confused:

westofyou
06-10-2006, 12:02 AM
Then why do Baseball Reference and Baseball Almanac not make mention of it or include his name on the roster?

:confused:
He didn't play in it, Loretta was the BU 2nd baseman and Barry made his last trip.

macro
06-10-2006, 12:06 AM
So, he didn't make the team at all, right?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20040704&content_id=786637&vkey=allstar2004&fext=.jsp

westofyou
06-10-2006, 12:10 AM
So, he didn't make the team at all, right?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20040704&content_id=786637&vkey=allstar2004&fext=.jsp
Nope, he was at home. The only AS game he made was as the Piartes rep in 1997 as a SS

blumj
06-10-2006, 12:39 AM
No Tony Womack?
Just so you know, major league teams that have had Tony Womack under contract in spring training but dumped him by May are 1 for 1 in WS championships. It's up to the Reds to keep that streak alive.

reds44
06-10-2006, 12:39 AM
Then why do Baseball Reference and Baseball Almanac not make mention of it or include his name on the roster?

:confused:
Wow I could have sworn he was there.

Sean_CaseyRules
06-10-2006, 10:31 AM
Just so you know, major league teams that have had Tony Womack under contract in spring training but dumped him by May are 1 for 1 in WS championships. It's up to the Reds to keep that streak alive.

How in the hell do people find these kind of stats? lol If I could give rep you'd get some, that's great man! :thumbup:

RedFanAlways1966
06-10-2006, 04:50 PM
The Oakland A's

Yep... and the Indians and one at Philly (rain make-up). 7 losses in a row after they got to 12 over .500 on June 6. The road-trip from hell when they lost 3 at Oakland, 3 at Cleveland and the one at Philly.

Get this... the REDS pithcers gave up 74 runs in those 7 games. Yes, over 10 runs per game on the average. Actually they give up 10 or more runs in 5 of those 7 games. OUCH!

Didn't help...
* That the Cardinals took over 1st place from the REDS on June 11 and never lost that spot for the rest of the year.
* That 7 of the 12 starters used by the REDS in 2004 had ERAs as starters that were over 5.
* Combined bullpen ERA for the year was 5.02.
* Combined starters ERA for the year was 5.23.
* REDS had a record vs. NL Central of 38-52 (.422).

KronoRed
06-10-2006, 05:02 PM
At least the games in Cleveland and Philly were close, the A's just manhandled the poor reds, 40 of those runs came in the 3 games in Oakland, 40 freaking runs.

The 3 starters for that trip?
Cory Lidle
Jung Bong
Jose Acevedo

I think the A's just scored again.

macro
06-10-2006, 06:07 PM
Nope, he was at home. The only AS game he made was as the Piartes rep in 1997 as a SS

...and he was the Pirates only representative that year, and MLB rules require that at least somebody from the Pirates make the team, so I think it was that that got him on the team that year. I guess I'm saying that calling him a "fomer All Star" kinda rings hollow. (That point not directed at woy, by the way, even though I used his quote.)

Reds Nd2
06-10-2006, 09:40 PM
The stat guys got yelled at.

:laugh: