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redsfan4445
06-12-2006, 10:22 PM
he cant do the job now.. he cant get the 1st batter out and 3 of the last 4 has homered as the 1st batter he has faced!!..

mole44
06-12-2006, 10:37 PM
I agree. Why is he our lefty matchup guy? he cant get lefties out! The only reason he has a job is because he is left handed.

On a side note, isn't Turnbow the goofiest dude you've ever seen!?
I think i fiund his baby picture on the net!
http://www.beekermusic.btinternet.co.uk/images/beeker_baby.jpg

NastyBoy
06-12-2006, 11:42 PM
The only reason he has a job is because he is left handed.

Actually, the only reason he still has a job is because there is no one to replace him. Who do you have in mind?

NastyBoy
06-12-2006, 11:44 PM
he cant do the job now.. he cant get the 1st batter out and 3 of the last 4 has homered as the 1st batter he has faced!!..

Who do you replace him with? Ryan Wagner?

indyred
06-12-2006, 11:44 PM
i'd rather see Michalak than him........couldn't do any worse

TC81190
06-12-2006, 11:44 PM
Who do you replace him with? Ryan Wagner?

David Shafer.

CTA513
06-12-2006, 11:58 PM
Who do you replace him with? Ryan Wagner?

Brad Salmon, David Shafer, Carlos Guevara.... anyone pitching good thats in AAA or AA.

jnwohio
06-12-2006, 11:59 PM
Tonite should have made the point (if it wasn't already) to Mr. Krivsky and Mr. Castellini that they have to an additional arm or two for the pen if they want to try and contend this year.

Even if Stormy was healthy and available, most likely Mercker would have still been Narron's first choice to start the 8th because of the 2 lefties leading off. So he grooves a 1-2 pitch to blow the lead. Looked to me like Narron was still fumed at him when he came out to get him. If the guy hits a decent pitch, that's life and why he is a budding superstar but to groove one like on that count is inexplicable. Then Coffey comes in and can't hold the tie.

Personally, I think they need somebody to close so Coffey can be moved back up (and still eventually grow into a closer). They also could use another reliable arm besides a closer.

Did anybody else wonder why after Ross hit the homer to give the Reds the lead, Narron did not just send Mays up to bat and out to pitch the 8th? They hadn't even gotten a loud foul off of him as I remember; and he had 3 spots to go before anybody would have been getting a second look at him.

NastyBoy
06-13-2006, 12:20 AM
What is ironic is that some post a thread lambasting Merker for giving up the tying run. It was Coffey that walked the batter and moved the baserunner into scoring postion. It was Coffey that gave up the hit that allowed the go ahead run.


Corrected for context.

NastyBoy
06-13-2006, 12:37 AM
.... anyone pitching good thats in AAA or AA.

It is interesting that everyone bypassed the two most obvious choice Burns and Shackelford. Maybe this is because the Reds have already given them a shot and they failed... ofcourse it could be that it takes all top prospects 7 or 8 years to mature?!?

Mike Burns AAA 1.16 ERA = 8.71 ERA MLB
Brian Shackelford AAA 1.93 ERA = 7.71 ERA MLB

The solution to the bullpen problems is simple. The veterans need to pitch better. Bringing up a AA or AAA pitcher because he has been lights out at that level will not work.

reds44
06-13-2006, 12:47 AM
Bringing up a AA or AAA pitcher because he has been lights out at that level will not work.
You don't know that. Look at Elizardo Ramirez. This team is winning because of young talent across the board, no reason to try it with the bullpen. Rick White is in his mid 30's, he is not all of a sudden going to improve. I would rather go with the unknown, then the known which isn't good.

CTA513
06-13-2006, 12:51 AM
It is interesting that everyone bypassed the two most obvious choice Burns and Shackelford. Maybe this is because the Reds have already given them a shot and they failed... ofcourse it could be that it takes all top prospects 7 or 8 years to mature?!?

Mike Burns AAA 1.16 ERA = 8.71 ERA MLB
Brian Shackelford AAA 1.93 ERA = 7.71 ERA MLB

The solution to the bullpen problems is simple. The veterans need to pitch better. Bringing up a AA or AAA pitcher because he has been lights out at that level will not work.

So to fix the bullpen the Reds should do nothing? That sounds like the plan the Reds already have.

:beerme:

savafan
06-13-2006, 12:54 AM
On a side note, isn't Turnbow the goofiest dude you've ever seen!?
I think i fiund his baby picture on the net!
http://www.beekermusic.btinternet.co.uk/images/beeker_baby.jpg

The original steroid baby.


Did anybody else wonder why after Ross hit the homer to give the Reds the lead, Narron did not just send Mays up to bat and out to pitch the 8th? They hadn't even gotten a loud foul off of him as I remember; and he had 3 spots to go before anybody would have been getting a second look at him.

Because the game is specialized now, it doesn't matter how one guy is pitching, the lefty specialist has to face the left handed hitter and the closer has to pitch the ninth when a lead is three runs or less. It's the rule.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 12:55 AM
Only starters are allowed to bat, baseball guy rule #54 always double switch or PH to prevent a relief pitcher from batting.

NastyBoy
06-13-2006, 01:08 AM
You don't know that. Look at Elizardo Ramirez. This team is winning because of young talent across the board, no reason to try it with the bullpen. Rick White is in his mid 30's, he is not all of a sudden going to improve. I would rather go with the unknown, then the known which isn't good.

My comment was based on bringing up players based on their AA or AAA performance. In the case of Elizardo, he was brought up for one start and based on that start and what he has done since then, he remains at the MLB level. It was a case on not bring up the best pitcher, but bringing up a pitcher could fill a spot start in the rotation.

As far as veterans "suddenly improving", there is a reason why these veterans have been able to hang around as long as they. You do not have a 17 year career in the Majors simply by sucking. Given the choice between a proven 37 year old MLB pitcher and a 29 year old AAA pitcher, I will choose the veteran. I don't necessarily like it, but its the hand we are dealt. Bring up all the AA and AAA players and have a repeat of 2003?

NastyBoy
06-13-2006, 01:10 AM
So to fix the bullpen the Reds should do nothing? That sounds like the plan the Reds already have.

:beerme:

See 2003 season for reference.

Gainesville Red
06-13-2006, 01:12 AM
i'd rather see Michalak than him........couldn't do any worse

I start getting nervous when we talk about Reds pitchers and someone says X-pitcher couldn't be any worse.;)

NastyBoy
06-13-2006, 01:15 AM
I start getting nervous when we talk about Reds pitchers and someone says X-pitcher couldn't be any worse.;)

:eek: We already have Yan and Mays.... add another to the mix, why not?

Merker would find a job 2 seconds after he was released.

reds44
06-13-2006, 01:23 AM
The original steroid baby.



Because the game is specialized now, it doesn't matter how one guy is pitching, the lefty specialist has to face the left handed hitter and the closer has to pitch the ninth when a lead is three runs or less. It's the rule.
Actaully Mays was pinch hit for in the same inning. His spot was due right behind Ross'.

reds44
06-13-2006, 01:25 AM
My comment was based on bringing up players based on their AA or AAA performance. In the case of Elizardo, he was brought up for one start and based on that start and what he has done since then, he remains at the MLB level. It was a case on not bring up the best pitcher, but bringing up a pitcher could fill a spot start in the rotation.

As far as veterans "suddenly improving", there is a reason why these veterans have been able to hang around as long as they. You do not have a 17 year career in the Majors simply by sucking. Given the choice between a proven 37 year old MLB pitcher and a 29 year old AAA pitcher, I will choose the veteran. I don't necessarily like it, but its the hand we are dealt. Bring up all the AA and AAA players and have a repeat of 2003?
Willie Mays had a long career also, doesn't mean he can play now. White has nothing left.

You're right but I don't want to bring up a 29 year old AAA pitcher, we need to go down one more level and bring up Shafer from AA. Shafer would be the first choice, but Germano wouldn't be a bad on eiether.

NastyBoy
06-13-2006, 01:32 AM
Willie Mays had a long career also, doesn't mean he can play now. White has nothing left.

You're right but I don't want to bring up a 29 year old AAA pitcher, we need to go down one more level and bring up Shafer from AA. Shafer would be the first choice, but Germano wouldn't be a bad on eiether.

I was actually referring to Merker and his 17 year career... which is what this thread is about, but I concur about White, not sure if he has anything left in the tank.

Shafer might be a viable option... ofcourse I really have not see him pitch, but his numbers look promising... but he is not on the 40-man roster. Ofcourse, if you release White, then you may be on to something.

reds44
06-13-2006, 01:34 AM
I was actually referring to Merker and his 17 year career... which is what this thread is about, but I concur about White, not sure if he has anything left in the tank.

Shafer might be a viable option... ofcourse I really have not see him pitch, but his numbers look promising... but he is not on the 40-man roster. Ofcourse, if you release White, then you may be on to something.
The 40 man roster could be taken care of by transfering Wilson to the 60 day DL, but yeah to get Shafer up here you would have to make room for him on the 25 man by releasing White.

There are plenty of crap relievers on this team to make room for Shafer, Germano, and a loogy like Shack.

redsrule2500
06-13-2006, 01:36 AM
Tonite should have made the point (if it wasn't already) to Mr. Krivsky and Mr. Castellini that they have to an additional arm or two for the pen if they want to try and contend this year.


I'm hoping it's 2 or 4 more arms ;)

NastyBoy
06-13-2006, 01:41 AM
The 40 man roster could be taken care of by transfering Wilson to the 60 day DL, but yeah to get Shafer up here you would have to make room for him on the 25 man by releasing White.

There are plenty of crap relievers on this team to make room for Shafer, Germano, and a loogy like Shack.

I guess we can agree to agree... some of the younger players may deserve a shot. White would be my first choice to release.

Jr's Boy
06-13-2006, 01:59 AM
Bring Germano back up.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 02:44 AM
Bring Germano back up.
At least he's new junk