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BEETTLEBUG
06-13-2006, 04:10 AM
I saw on Arizona's home page that he maybe avaliable plus his 20 million still owed him. Looks like he is having bad year (0-5 ) 7.64 era What would it take to get him or not interested? The article said that they might RELEASE him.

Tornon
06-13-2006, 04:20 AM
He hasn't been anywhere close to good for awhile, pass.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 05:08 AM
A walk machine who gives up a lot of hits, no thanks.

Redus
06-13-2006, 05:48 AM
no thanks.

RedLegSuperStar
06-13-2006, 06:32 AM
It's so bad that Arizona was using him in the bullpen for a stint. If he is released and we can get him for league minimum then I may go after him..

edabbs44
06-13-2006, 06:32 AM
http://www.loyno.edu/baquet/Labor/images/garbage%20man1.jpg

Jpup
06-13-2006, 06:43 AM
I'd take him. He's better than a lot of the guys that the Reds have. I wouldn't pay him anything near what he is owed, but I'd pick him up if he was DFA'd.

BEETTLEBUG
06-13-2006, 07:16 AM
Thanks Jpup I would to if he is DF'A

Newman4
06-13-2006, 07:57 AM
What the heck happened to this guy? He was pretty good from 2001-2003 and then went to Arizona and has gotten worse and worse.

Heath
06-13-2006, 08:28 AM
What the heck happened to this guy? He was pretty good from 2001-2003 and then went to Arizona and has gotten worse and worse.

He left Atlanta. What's Raisor's Fourth Law of Pitching Theorem? He who is a pitcher and leaves Atlanta must have issues?

deltachi8
06-13-2006, 09:21 AM
No thanks. I'd take what the Reds have over Ortiz

westofyou
06-13-2006, 10:02 AM
Ortiz means Milton in Latin.

Z-Fly
06-13-2006, 10:10 AM
HGH/steroids?

Jr's Boy
06-13-2006, 12:47 PM
HGH/steroids?
:rolleyes:

flyer85
06-13-2006, 12:58 PM
When he was signed after the 2004 season it was generally regarded as the worst of that off season, even surpassing the Milton deal.

Heath
06-13-2006, 12:59 PM
HGH/steroids?


Too many enchiladas and tostados from Taco Del Casa.

KronoRed
06-13-2006, 03:24 PM
Ortiz means Milton in Latin.
That's great..then we could have the set

savafan
06-14-2006, 02:23 AM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060613&content_id=1503021&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

By Steve Gilbert / MLB.com

PHOENIX -- Two days ago a bunch of teammates were at Russ Ortiz's house to celebrate his 32nd birthday.

As it turns out, it was more of a going-away party.

The Diamondbacks on Tuesday designated the veteran right-hander for assignment after watching him go 0-5 with a 7.54 ERA in six starts this year and 5-11 with a 6.89 ERA last year. The D-Backs have 10 days to trade or waive him.

"We just felt like it wasn't working here for whatever reason and we needed to turn the page," Arizona general manager Josh Byrnes said.

It could well be a very expensive page.

Ortiz was signed to a four-year, $33 million contract prior to the 2005 season and if a team claims him it would assume the contract and be responsible for the little more than $20 million that is left on it.

A more likely scenario would be that Ortiz clears waivers, becomes a free agent and is able to sign with any club. The team signing him would be responsible for just the prorated portion of the Major League minimum salary ($300,000) this year with the D-Backs footing the bill for the rest.

If that happens, it would be the largest amount of money ever paid to a released player, eclipsing the mark of $16 million the Rockies wound up paying pitcher Denny Neagle last year and the $15.7 million the Angels owed pitcher Kevin Appier in 2003.

"That's the ramifications of it if we're unable to work out a trade," Byrnes said of the finances. "That's something that we're aware of and we'll have to deal with. Sometimes when you designate a player, it does initiate [trade] discussions and often times it doesn't -- so we'll see."

Ortiz was 2-1 with a 3.60 ERA in April last year, but things went downhill for him from there. He had a 7.85 ERA in May, and a 6.52 ERA in June, when he also went on the disabled list for the first time in his career with a stress fracture in his rib cage.

When he returned in August, he was 1-2 with a 10.80 ERA and then was 0-3 with a 7.23 mark in September.

"He was brought in here to be a No. 1 guy and got No. 1 starter money," said catcher Johnny Estrada, a close friend of Ortiz's. "Big contract and big expectations and that's not something he had ever had to deal with before. He was always just one of the guys. He came in here with a lot of weight on his shoulders and a lot of expectations and that's one thing he never had to deal with in his career.

"It seemed like when he didn't get off to a good start, it was kind of downward spiral from there."

After an offseason conditioning program for Ortiz, the club held out hope that he would regain the form that saw him win double-digit games from 1999 through 2004. The addition of Estrada was also seen as a positive.

But nothing seemed to help as Ortiz started the year 0-3 with a 6.91 ERA and was sent to the bullpen and then placed on the disabled list with a calf injury. After four injury-rehab starts with Triple-A Tucson, during which he tweaked his mechanics, he was activated, but allowed seven runs (five earned) in 3 1/3 innings.

The D-Backs baseball staff made the decision late Monday that the time had come to cut Ortiz loose and Byrnes and manager Bob Melvin informed him by phone Tuesday.

Despite the likelihood of having to pay Ortiz for the next two and half years, Byrnes said he didn't think it would effect the D-Backs' plans much.

"It's somewhat of a hurdle, but I think we have to spend all our dollars wisely and, obviously, we owe Russ a lot of money going forward," Byrnes said. "But the flipside is we probably have more young talent than anyone in baseball and that's a good thing as far as managing payroll."

BEETTLEBUG
06-14-2006, 04:15 AM
Would the Reds take a chance if he clears waivers and D'backs have to pay most of his salary or would he go to Spankys?

KronoRed
06-14-2006, 04:56 AM
The yanks can have him.

Jpup
06-14-2006, 06:11 AM
go get him Krivsky. The could, at least, try him in the bullpen for 300k.

RedLegSuperStar
06-14-2006, 07:16 AM
go get him Krivsky. The could, at least, try him in the bullpen for 300k.

No Kidding for 300K.. Sign Ortiz and then do one of the following: Release Rick White/DL Weathers/Move Wilson to the 60 day DL

RedLegSuperStar
06-14-2006, 07:18 AM
Heck get him now.. Let him take Claussens spot for a month and hope he raises his stock and possibly deal him or if we stay close keep him.

Jpup
06-14-2006, 07:39 AM
Heck get him now.. Let him take Claussens spot for a month and hope he raises his stock and possibly deal him or if we stay close keep him.

No way that I would replace Claussen with Ortiz. Bullpen, yes. Starter, no way.

Heath
06-14-2006, 09:01 AM
Russ Ortiz would be a nice pitcher in a mop up role.

An expensive one at that.

b_combs23
06-14-2006, 09:30 AM
this looks like a move Krivsky would make if we can get him cheap, all the others have paid off so far.

Spitball
06-14-2006, 09:36 AM
Geesh, he has been so bad, I just can't see how he could help. Right now, he's a pig's ear, and I can't see that changing.

Besides, I know he has pitched badly, but with so much coming out of the woodwork, I wonder about the Grimsley connection here. The timing is just suspicious.

westofyou
06-14-2006, 09:38 AM
, I wonder about the Grimsley connection here. The timing is just suspicious.


Grimsley was a D back for 14 weeks, I't be a stretch to try and implicate anyone to him based on that brief relationship.

BRM
06-14-2006, 09:50 AM
The yanks can have him.

C'mon Krono! Have a sense of adventure!!

Heath
06-14-2006, 10:16 AM
C'mon Krono! Have a sense of adventure!!

He does. He eats at Gold Star. :duel: :starwars:

Spitball
06-14-2006, 01:52 PM
Grimsley was a D back for 14 weeks, I't be a stretch to try and implicate anyone to him based on that brief relationship.

Grimsley has named some names, and I'm pretty sure fourteen weeks is long enough to figure out who else is using something to enhance their performance. Oriz has been awful, and I don't blame Arizona for showing a mistake the door. It is just the timimg that has me going, "Hmmm..."

I sure don't want to become the Joe McCarthy of Redszone, but I'm afraid this steroid thing is really wider spread than I'd feared.

MattyHo4Life
06-14-2006, 05:42 PM
What the heck happened to this guy? He was pretty good from 2001-2003 and then went to Arizona and has gotten worse and worse.

Probably the same thing that happened to Prior and Wood. Dusty "The Meatgrinder" Baker. Watch out Zambrano....you may be next. ;)

Izzardius
06-15-2006, 12:53 AM
This guy was never that great to begin with.

tripleaaaron
06-15-2006, 02:26 AM
I've had my fair share of the Ortiz pitchers, no thanks. Believe it or not his 7+ ERA would actually raise our bullpens ERA, I know its amazing to think that adding a pitcher to the bullpen could possibly make it worse, but we already saw that in Yan, bring up Belisle quickly!

MattyHo4Life
06-15-2006, 05:06 AM
This guy was never that great to begin with.

He wasn't this bad either. He was a decent pitcher that was worked really hard in the beginning of his career.