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membengal
06-14-2006, 07:35 PM
He will always be the Lizard to me...I refuse to call him E-Z.

Anyway, that was one hell of a game he threw today, and his body of work is starting to be broad enough this season that I am ginning up some real enthusiasm for him and hope for the future. His fastball has life and tops out at around 92 (sometimes 93) as near as I can tell from watching his starts, with some decent breaking stuff.

As I understand it from previous discussions on him in various and sundry threads, his minor league numbers provided mixed signals as to what he might be as a major leaguer. So, now we have a 23-year-old who is enjoying some real success with the club, just wondering what the observers herein think of his developing game, his projection to the future etc.

Basically, I have seen enough of him at this point, that I am starting to get a little optimistic that there is more goodness to come. I am also pleased that he is missing the occasional bats.

So, any thoughts?

RedsManRick
06-14-2006, 07:49 PM
membengal, as you could probably tell from my post on the live forum, I think you're looking at a younger version of Brad Radke.

His stuff is average, but when his fastball his some zip, he's able to keep people off balance. Everything depends on that fastball staying in the 90+ range and his control. If he keeps people off base, the hits don't hurt as much and he'll continue to avoid the big inning. If he starts to lose his control or the fastball slows down to where people don't have watch for it, not only will he be walking more people, but his average stuff becomes that much more hittable and he'll be in trouble.

I think we're looking at a guy who could top out as a 4.00ish #3 starter who will eat innings and even strike some guys out (see Brad Radke in 1997). Worst case scenario, his command eludes him, he starts walking guys and he implodes. That's what we saw in his short stint last year.

smith288
06-14-2006, 07:53 PM
Trade him away for some pitching....

oh...wait...

Usually when a player borders on good, we make threads on what kind of trade he'd garner.

remdog
06-14-2006, 08:15 PM
This could be a case of a guy learning his craft and maturing as he gets more experience. Adding (or getting better at throwing) the circle change has probably also helped. (Thanks, Mario.)

His commarnd was good today. It's actually the first time I've seen him pitch and I was impressed. Doesn't seem to rattle easily, either.

All in all, I've got some hope for this young man. He's certainly a lot better than what the Reds had been running out in that spot. :D

Rem

PS: I like 'The Lizard' also. :)

Falls City Beer
06-14-2006, 08:19 PM
You realize: we have DanO to thank for the Lizard. :mooner: :cool:

dougdirt
06-14-2006, 08:36 PM
I like that trade of Lidle more and more everytime I think about it. Javon Moran is not exactly a slouch down in Chattanooga either.

KronoRed
06-14-2006, 09:07 PM
You realize: we have DanO to thank for the Lizard. :mooner: :cool:
Main reason why I'm not on the Lizard band wagon yet ;)

Spitball
06-14-2006, 09:24 PM
Main reason why I'm not on the Lizard band wagon yet ;)

Ah, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile...but eventually he will wander too close to the middle of the road and...:eek:

redsmetz
06-14-2006, 09:48 PM
Ah, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile...but eventually he will wander too close to the middle of the road and...:eek:

End up in Milwaukee???? :laugh:

IslandRed
06-14-2006, 09:48 PM
I'm not sure what to think about his future. His minor-league indicators are nothing special. But it's important to remember how quickly promoted, no doubt overpromoted, he was: Double-A and a cup of coffee in the Show at 21, Triple-A and a stint in the majors at 22, now probably up for good (fingers crossed) at 23. He battles and he's got some more development left in him, as evidenced by the K/9 going up this year.

As for the type of pitcher he is, his stuff isn't incredible and he doesn't have an off-the-charts out pitch and he'll need to have good command to not be lit up, but that describes 90% or more of MLB pitchers. At his age, there's still a good chance he can be a useful #3-4 guy. It's all about consistent command for him.

Rojo
06-14-2006, 11:52 PM
He's a command guy who's stuff isn't total garbage. I'll take it.

OldRightHander
06-15-2006, 12:25 AM
You realize: we have DanO to thank for the Lizard. :mooner: :cool:

I remember hearing something about blind squirrels and acorns once.

Spitball
06-15-2006, 11:09 AM
I remember hearing something about blind squirrels and acorns once.

Was that an echo? ;)

TC81190
06-15-2006, 10:21 PM
He's got some real good movement on some of his pitches.

Sea Ray
06-15-2006, 11:25 PM
I don't understand why so many folks in baseball, including his own manager, keep apologizing for his stuff. Very few guys throw harder. OK, he peaks at 93. That's better than Arroyo, Maddux, Glavine and today's version of Pedro Martinez and I'd venture to guess better than half the starting pitchers in MLB. He has good movement and he can change speeds. I see no reason why he can't hold a spot on a good big league rotation.

Chip R
06-16-2006, 10:22 AM
I don't understand why so many folks in baseball, including his own manager, keep apologizing for his stuff. Very few guys throw harder. OK, he peaks at 93. That's better than Arroyo, Maddux, Glavine and today's version of Pedro Martinez and I'd venture to guess better than half the starting pitchers in MLB. He has good movement and he can change speeds. I see no reason why he can't hold a spot on a good big league rotation.

Might not be a bad idea to downplay his stuff in public. Gets people underestimating him and when they have to face him, they are in for a surprise.