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reds44
06-15-2006, 06:32 PM
Juan Castro back!
Cincinnati Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky today announced the acquisition of IF Juan Castro from the Minnesota Twins in exchange for minor league OF Brandon Roberts.
Castro, 33, is expected to be in uniform for tomorrow's 7:10 p.m. game against the Chicago White Sox at Great American Ball Park. A corresponding 25-man roster move will be made when Castro arrives here.
To make room for Castro on the 40-man roster, RHP Paul Wilson has been transferred to the 60-day disabled list. Wilson has been on the DL all season recovering from right shoulder surgery.
Considered one of baseball’s best and most versatile defensive infielders, Castro has made 815 Major League appearances for the Los Angeles Dodgers, Reds and Twins. He played in Cincinnati for 5 seasons from 2000-2004 and then signed as a free agent with Minnesota in November 2004.
Roberts, 21, was selected by the Reds in the seventh round of the June 2005 first-year player draft. This season at Class A Sarasota he was hitting .267 with 1 HR and 15 RBI in 60 games.


http://lance1360homer.com/blog.asp

Falls City Beer
06-15-2006, 06:34 PM
I dislike defensive replacements; they tempt you to take out real hitters late in the game.

RFS62
06-15-2006, 06:36 PM
This shouldn't cause much discussion.


:pimp:

gm
06-15-2006, 06:41 PM
<checks calendar> Nope, not April 1

(I think a "great googly-moogly" is in order)

Puffy
06-15-2006, 06:42 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo!!

Please tell me today is April's Fools Day!! Uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 06:44 PM
Your new starter at 3rd base.

reds44
06-15-2006, 06:45 PM
Olmedo will be going down ovbiously, but who goes down when Edwin comes back?

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 06:46 PM
Olmedo will be going down ovbiously, but who goes down when Edwin comes back?
Does Edwin come back? :evil:

Mario-Rijo
06-15-2006, 06:46 PM
I don't dislike Juan as much as some, although he is definitely not a starter IMO. But what gives, I just don't get the move unless there is a deal on the horizon. Strange indeed!

BRM
06-15-2006, 06:47 PM
Your new starter at 3rd base.

You're a mean, mean man. :cry:

RFS62
06-15-2006, 06:48 PM
Calm down.

Late inning defensive replacement.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2006, 06:48 PM
I don't dislike Juan as much as some, although he is definitely not a starter IMO. But what gives, I just don't get the move unless there is a deal on the horizon. Strange indeed!

Wayne hasn't been much of a chess player as yet--that is, making moves in order to make bigger moves later on--he seems to be from the "throw it against the wall and see if it will stick" school of thought.

Cyclone792
06-15-2006, 06:51 PM
So let's see here ...

We're getting a guy that has a lifetime .209 EQA and -44 batting runs above replacement level and is currently making $1 million salary this season. What exactly can Castro do that Olmedo can't do other than earn a bigger paycheck?

Castro is going to be nothing more than the infield version of Quinton McCracken: a lousy hitter and a waste of money. At least Olmedo made quite a bit less money.

BRM
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
Calm down.

Late inning defensive replacement.

Which means an actual hitter comes out of the lineup late in the game.

Puffy
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
Calm down.

Late inning defensive replacement.

Who isn't that great a defensive player - therein lies the rub. Castro, for all the defensive love that gets heaped upon him, makes way more errors than someone with his rep should and (more importantly) has the range of Rich Aurilia.

westofyou
06-15-2006, 06:53 PM
What exactly can Castro do that Olmedo can't do other than earn a bigger paycheck?Help generate a wider sphere in the Reds fielding by osmosis plans?

reds44
06-15-2006, 06:53 PM
So let's see here ...

We're getting a guy that has a lifetime .209 EQA and -44 batting runs above replacement level and is currently making $1 million salary this season. What exactly can Castro do that Olmedo can't do other than earn a bigger paycheck?

Castro is going to be nothing more than the infield version of Quinton McCracken: a lousy hitter and a waste of money. At least Olmedo made quite a bit less money.
Except Castro plays good defense. He is here to be a late inning defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less. Is he overpaid? Yes, but it is only a 1year deal so it isn't that big of a deal.

I don't know why everyone is freaking out, we have a terrible defensive SS/3B and Castro can play both of those position.

Castro is a defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less.

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 06:54 PM
This is the offensive equivalent of Joe Mays, junk that another team didn't want and we got hoping it improves us.

Someone tell Krivsky he's gonna have to step up and trade for real players and not castoffs if he wants this to turn around

Reminds me of Bowden, hoping to get cheap gold.

reds44
06-15-2006, 06:54 PM
Who isn't that great a defensive player - therein lies the rub. Castro, for all the defensive love that gets heaped upon him, makes way more errors than someone with his rep should and (more importantly) has the range of Rich Aurilia.
Isn't that great is much better then anything this team has (not named Brandon Phillips).

Falls City Beer
06-15-2006, 06:54 PM
Except Castro plays good defense. He is here to be a late inning defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less. Is he overpaid? Yes, but it is only a 1year deal so it isn't that big of a deal.

I don't know why everyone is freaking out, we have a terrible defensive SS/3B and Castro can play both of those position.

Castro is a defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less.

Aurilia/Freel suck at 3b, but EE is a great (not just good) third baseman.

BRM
06-15-2006, 06:55 PM
Castro is a defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less.

I'll remember that when Castro strolls to the plate with the game on the line.

westofyou
06-15-2006, 06:55 PM
Castro is a defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less.Those are the lyrics, I think the music is the same tune that plays when the clowns car enters the center ring.

reds44
06-15-2006, 06:56 PM
Aurilia/Freel suck at 3b, but EE is a great (not just good) third baseman.
No he will be a great third baseman, right now he is not.

Even if I give you 3B, we still have a bad defensive SS.

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 06:56 PM
I'll remember that when Castro strolls to the plate with the game on the line.
Or batting 2nd playing 3rd.

Falls City Beer
06-15-2006, 06:57 PM
http://www.abracadabra.com/images/clowns/clown%20car.JPG

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 06:57 PM
No he will be a great third baseman, right now he is not.

Including Castro EE is the best 3B on the team.

reds44
06-15-2006, 06:58 PM
Including Castro EE is the best 3B on the team.
Like I said even if I give you 3B, we still have a bad defenive SS.

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 06:59 PM
That's why we had Olmedo.

Mays or Germano? Push, yet we trade for Mays

Olemdo or Castro? Push, yet we trade for Castro

:dunno:

oneupper
06-15-2006, 06:59 PM
New strategy:

Don't Play to WIN. Play to NOT LOSE.

kheidg-
06-15-2006, 07:00 PM
And I thought the days of me watching the Reds with Juan Castro were over. This guy is not a major leaguer.

Caveat Emperor
06-15-2006, 07:00 PM
It's official. Juan Castro needs a bobblehead day.

reds44
06-15-2006, 07:02 PM
That's why we had Olmedo.

Mays or Germano? Push, yet we trade for Mays

Olemdo or Castro? Push, yet we trade for Castro

:dunno:
We had Olmedo because EE was hurt and needed another IF.

Olmedo has a career .954 fieling %, Felipe has a .958, and Castro has a .977.

M2
06-15-2006, 07:04 PM
Hey Wayne, idiotic move.

Caveat Emperor
06-15-2006, 07:08 PM
Hey Wayne, idiotic move.

Weclome to the new Reds: Defense Matters™.

This move is the first in what I think will be a long line of moves that trade productivity at the plate for defensive improvement.

M2
06-15-2006, 07:09 PM
Weclome to the new Reds: Defense Matters™.

This move is the first in what I think will be a long line of moves that trade productivity at the plate for defensive improvement.

Juan Castro's never improved a team's before and he's not going to do it now.

johngalt
06-15-2006, 07:11 PM
We had Olmedo because EE was hurt and needed another IF.

Olmedo has a career .954 fieling %, Felipe has a .958, and Castro has a .977.

Range is more important than fielding percentage.

The difference between Castro's supposed fielding wizardry and the rest of the lot pales in comparison to the canyon between his offensive production and theirs.

Kc61
06-15-2006, 07:18 PM
I like this move because it shows Krivsky is trying to win this year.

I don't think it is aimed at EE. I think it is aimed mostly at Lopez and the errors he has made. Late innings, close game, I think we will see RA at third and Castro at short. Castro probably doesn't have great range at this age, but having watched him for years he is a very surehanded, solid defensive player.

Would also guess that a catcher will soon be departing to make room. Olmedo will likely go down now, but when EE comes back my guess is a catcher goes.

With all the errors the infield has made, it should surprise nobody that Krivsky wanted this type of player on the bench.

westofyou
06-15-2006, 07:22 PM
Juan Castro Latin Leader, my take is the Reds like Juan more for his person than his play. I also believe teams love to take guys that could be coaches one day and stick em in a teaching position, despite their failings as a player.

Why Juan Castro?

Probably because teaching Lopez and E.E. a few pointers will now come in Spanish and not from the guy whose been trying to take their jobs for the last year.

M2
06-15-2006, 07:23 PM
I like this move because it shows Krivsky is trying to win this year.

Juan Castro isn't the kind of player you pick up if you're trying to win games.

Reds4Life
06-15-2006, 07:26 PM
Maybe we should trade for another catcher too. I just don't see how this really helps us right now. He's out trading for Castro, meanwhile the bullpen continues it's meltdown on a nightly basis.

CTA513
06-15-2006, 07:28 PM
Maybe we should trade for another catcher too.

The Reds could be the first team ever to have a person catcher for every pitcher.

:eek:

Yachtzee
06-15-2006, 07:29 PM
Juan Castro Latin Leader, my take is the Reds like Juan more for his person than his play. I also believe teams love to take guys that could be coaches one day and stick em in a teaching position, despite their failings as a player.

Why Juan Castro?

Probably because teaching Lopez and E.E. a few pointers will now come in Spanish and not from the guy whose been trying to take their jobs for the last year.

I hope that's the reason. Otherwise it seems "good field, no hit" is cheap. Why pay more than you have to?

M2
06-15-2006, 07:30 PM
Imagine waking up with a killer hangover next to your least favorite girl/boyfriend of all time. That's sort of how I feel about this trade.

Kc61
06-15-2006, 07:32 PM
This trade tells us a lot about Krivsky's views on Felipe the shortstop. Krivsky expects to be in important games and doesn't trust Lopez' defense. I think it is that simple.

BCubb2003
06-15-2006, 07:32 PM
Is there a pool on when Juan Castro makes his first start?

CrackerJack
06-15-2006, 07:33 PM
Krivsky...the man of mystery.

Furman speculating Felipe is going to be traded...BP to SS...

CTA513
06-15-2006, 07:34 PM
This trade tells us a lot about Krivsky's views on Felipe the shortstop. Krivsky expects to be in important games and doesn't trust Lopez' defense. I think it is that simple.

Same thing could be said about Encarnacion.

:p:

Chip R
06-15-2006, 07:35 PM
I don't think it is aimed at EE. I think it is aimed mostly at Lopez and the errors he has made. Late innings, close game, I think we will see RA at third and Castro at short. Castro probably doesn't have great range at this age, but having watched him for years he is a very surehanded, solid defensive player.

With all the errors the infield has made, it should surprise nobody that Krivsky wanted this type of player on the bench.

I think you are absolutely right. FeLo is going to become a 7 inning player now if the game is close or the Reds have the lead.

gm
06-15-2006, 07:40 PM
Juan Castro Latin Leader, my take is the Reds like Juan more for his person than his play. I also believe teams love to take guys that could be coaches one day and stick em in a teaching position, despite their failings as a player.

Why Juan Castro?

Probably because teaching Lopez and E.E. a few pointers will now come in Spanish and not from the guy whose been trying to take their jobs for the last year.

I think you're on the right track...but can anything really be done for Wayne's diminishing rep?

Caveat Emperor
06-15-2006, 07:41 PM
Krivsky...the man of mystery.

Furman speculating Felipe is going to be traded...BP to SS...

That's actually not a bad reading of the tea leaves, IMO -- Lopez has all kinds of value as a young shortstop, and the Reds might've explored a contract with Boras and concluded that it's unlikely they'll be able to lock Lopez up once he hits free agency. Better to get value out of him now while he's still considered a young SS than once teams figure out that he's projecting at 2B.

But, I don't think the timing is right for that kind of a deal right now.

pedro
06-15-2006, 07:42 PM
I wonder if EE is hurt worse than originally thought.

Marc D
06-15-2006, 07:43 PM
Krivsky...the man of mystery.

Furman speculating Felipe is going to be traded...BP to SS...

First thing I thought of when I read this but then, like everyone is saying, what does Castro do that Olmedo doesn't? I dunno this whole thing makes little to no sense at the moment.

redsfan30
06-15-2006, 07:45 PM
Felipe Lopez for Ervin Santana?

reds44
06-15-2006, 07:50 PM
Felipe Lopez for Ervin Santana?
We could get more, IMO.

I used to be opposed to trading Felipe, but after watching him the lst month I don't know.

reds44
06-15-2006, 07:51 PM
Krivsky...the man of mystery.

Furman speculating Felipe is going to be traded...BP to SS...
Who is Furman, and does he have inside sources?

redsfan30
06-15-2006, 07:53 PM
We could get more, IMO.

I used to be opposed to trading Felipe, but after watching him the lst month I don't know.
I do too, but his name popped into my head first because it was mentioned that Anahiem will trade him for a big bat.

OnBaseMachine
06-15-2006, 07:54 PM
God. You mean I have to watch this crap player play for the Reds again?

That A grade I gave Krvsky last week has been dropped to a C. Incredibly bad trade.

M2
06-15-2006, 07:54 PM
Felipe Lopez for Ervin Santana?

I'm guessing the Angels aren't in the market for middle IFer. Yet even if the Reds were going to deal Felipe to the Halos or another team, that is NO reason to trade for and play Juan Castro.

CTA513
06-15-2006, 07:54 PM
Felipe Lopez for Ervin Santana?

+ Scot Shields?

:dunno:

Gallen5862
06-15-2006, 07:55 PM
Was today the last day that Rick White had to be on the major league roster? If so hopefully the roster move will be dfaing White. I am also glad to see that Paul wilson has been placed on the 60 day dl. This way he gets time to work on rehab and not take up a 40 man spot.

penantboundreds
06-15-2006, 07:59 PM
who is the ofer we traded....this trade is a nothing trade...complete wash (except I'm pretty sure Castro is better than Olmedo) i think that lopez and larue go to the angels for santana and a relief pitcher(aybar maybe) and we receive cash....thats just me though

**thats what im hoping we do as well

BCubb2003
06-15-2006, 07:59 PM
Does Wayne Krivsky had an odd habit of trading for the replacement before the main trade goes through?

KittyDuran
06-15-2006, 08:02 PM
The Power of Tradition! :devil: ;)

M2
06-15-2006, 08:06 PM
The Power of Tradition! :devil: ;)

Now THAT is funny.

Gallen5862
06-15-2006, 08:06 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=458721
Brandon Roberts

Batting Statistics

Team League Level Pos AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB GIDP HBP
Sarasota Reds FSL Hi A OF .270 59 244 40 66 5 1 1 15 16 39 23 7 .328 .311 .640 2 2 1 1 6
TOTALS .270 59 244 40 66 5 1 1 15 16 39 23 7 .328 .311 .640 2 2 1 1 6

These are the Stats from baseball america on Brandon Roberts the player we traded for Juan Castro.

redsmetz
06-15-2006, 08:10 PM
I think there's something more going on. I think this is just one cog in some other trade. I suspect Olmedo goes down, or perhaps moves elsewhere in a trade. I think Olmedo has shown he can hit down at AAA, I think the same is true of Denorfia. Maybe something with either of them and maybe one of the catchers. I like Juan too, but this has to be a part of something else. Either that or he really digs infielders.

Spitball
06-15-2006, 08:10 PM
Felipe Lopez for Ervin Santana?

They already have Orlando Cabrera and Adam Kennedy, with Howie Kendrick and Eric Aybar about ready, and Brandon Wood coming along.

KittyDuran
06-15-2006, 08:10 PM
Who is Furman, and does he have inside sources?You don't want to KNOW and NO...;)

reds44
06-15-2006, 08:13 PM
You don't want to KNOW and NO...;)
Is he the guy on WLW right now? I just put it on.

KittyDuran
06-15-2006, 08:16 PM
Is he the guy on WLW right now? I just put it on.The one with the New York accent? Yeah...

kyred14
06-15-2006, 08:18 PM
My computer goes nuts for a week, and I come back to read this? Horrible move, Wayne.

penantboundreds
06-15-2006, 08:19 PM
i just saw d'lo got released....even with all his bad blood with us id still rather have him.

pedro
06-15-2006, 08:19 PM
meh

IslandRed
06-15-2006, 08:21 PM
OK, I don't get it either. But Krivsky's made mostly good calls so far and has earned a little slack from me. As long as Castro is kept in his box as a defensive replacement and tutor, then it's a move that's both relatively pointless and relatively harmless. As long as Krivsky doesn't lapse into similar goofiness on the big stuff, fine.

It would make more sense if this is part of a series of deals. I guess we'll see.

jmcclain19
06-15-2006, 08:22 PM
Awesome. Some of my favorite baseball players are those who have no real skills and live off an outdated and overinflated reputation.

The Reds now have three that fit that profile perfectly (Aurilia, McCracken and Castro)

SteelSD
06-15-2006, 08:22 PM
Wow. Awful move. Really not much more to say than that. Complete waste of cash and prospect resources.

reds44
06-15-2006, 08:26 PM
You don't want to KNOW and NO...;)
Oh my God Kitty I wish I wouldn't have turned this on. According to this guy we need to trade Lopez, move EE to 1st (or trade him), BP to SS, and bring Bergolla up to play 2b.

I may have to call in and set these guys straight.
:evil:

redsfanmia
06-15-2006, 08:30 PM
Good move, its about time someone pays attention to defense.

Yachtzee
06-15-2006, 08:32 PM
Oh my God Kitty I wish I wouldn't have turned this on. According to this guy we need to trade Lopez, move EE to 1st (or trade him), BP to SS, and bring Bergolla up to play 2b.

I may have to call in and set these guys straight.
:evil:

Don't do it! Listening to Furman is like taking a stupid pill. You lose 5 IQ points for every half-hour you listen. If you call it, its worse. Next thing you know, you're calling Steve Stewart on the Banana Phone and starting things of with "Hey Marty..."

UKFlounder
06-15-2006, 08:34 PM
Awesome. Some of my favorite baseball players are those who have no real skills and live off an outdated and overinflated reputation.

The Reds now have three that fit that profile perfectly (Aurilia, McCracken and Castro)

Why is Aurilia in that group? I think he has been a productive backup infielder and done about what should be expected from that role.

Raisor
06-15-2006, 08:35 PM
Sweet Fancy Moses!

I give WayneK a week before he signs Gabe White and Scott Sullivan.

Chip R
06-15-2006, 08:35 PM
I think we were over our Brandon quota.

Caveat Emperor
06-15-2006, 08:36 PM
Don't do it! Listening to Furman is like taking a stupid pill. You lose 5 IQ points for every half-hour you listen. If you call it, its worse. Next thing you know, you're calling Steve Stewart on the Banana Phone and starting things of with "Hey Marty..."

"Hey Marty, I love you and Joe...oh yeah, I guess Steve is OK too. I don't know if you remember, but I met you one time at a Kroger in West Chester. You were buying groceries and I told you hi and you asked me how my day was going. You remember me? Oh, anyway...I think we should trade Jason LaRue for a #1 starter."

Furman and Tracy Jones are great radio -- you just can't take them seriously for a moment. It's the callers that really get me irked, because they're actually saying what they think as opposed to what will get attention and ratings.

corkedbat
06-15-2006, 08:37 PM
nm

corkedbat
06-15-2006, 08:38 PM
So let's see here ...

We're getting a guy that has a lifetime .209 EQA and -44 batting runs above replacement level and is currently making $1 million salary this season. What exactly can Castro do that Olmedo can't do other than earn a bigger paycheck?



Agreed about Olmedo.

It's also a move DanO could've made. :evil:

redsfanmia
06-15-2006, 08:47 PM
Castro brings real value to this team. He is going to catch everything hit at him and then make the throw 99.95% of the time at short and third. The defense costs the Reds games, thats a fact and this move helps shore that up.

Cyclone792
06-15-2006, 08:48 PM
"Hey Marty, I love you and Joe...oh yeah, I guess Steve is OK too. I don't know if you remember, but I met you one time at a Kroger in West Chester. You were buying groceries and I told you hi and you asked me how my day was going. You remember me? Oh, anyway...I think we should trade Jason LaRue for a #1 starter."

You're 90 percent of the way there, CE.

Add in a comment gushing over Pete Rose, and you'll have it nailed. :evil:

LINEDRIVER
06-15-2006, 08:50 PM
IF Castro starts replacing FeLo in the field late in the game, FeLo will be destroyed as a ballplayer in Cincinnati. He'll go back to being the FeLo we knew a few years ago and that ain't a pretty sight. His confidence will be shredded, but who says life is fair? We're here to win games!!!!

edabbs44
06-15-2006, 08:51 PM
I wonder if this is just the beginning...

M2
06-15-2006, 08:51 PM
Castro brings real value to this team. He is going to catch everything hit at him and then make the throw 99.95% of the time at short and third. The defense costs the Reds games, thats a fact and this move helps shore that up.

Now if he just had a rawhide magnet that made the baseball come to him, eliminating all the balls that zip past him and his two-step range.

CTA513
06-15-2006, 08:51 PM
IF Castro starts replacing FeLO in the field late in the game, that will destroy FeLo as a ballplayer in Cincinnati. He'll go back to being the FeLo we knew a few years ago and that ain't a pretty sight. His confidence will be shredded, but who says life is fair? We're here to win games!!!!

It will just give Lopez and his agent a reason to not re-sign with the Reds.

remdog
06-15-2006, 08:54 PM
I just got home and saw the headline and I said, 'OH BLEEP'!

Maybe there is something down the line that will explain this move----like Krivsky is delivering on a promise to help out the Twins for letting him take the Reds job. Give me something, anything that doesn't make this look like an unexplainable move.:confused:

Rem

LINEDRIVER
06-15-2006, 08:57 PM
I wonder if this is just the beginning...



...of a housecleaning like the one that took place 29 years ago today???

JUNE 15, 1977… The Reds score six runs in the final four innings to beat the Phillies, 8-7, at Cincinnati’s Riverfront Stadium. Reds’ slugger George Foster mashes a HR off Phillies’ reliever Darold Knowles for his 15th HR of the season and his 11th HR since May 25th. Reds’ 3B Pete Rose knocks in the winning run with a tenth-inning single. Longtime Reds’ pitcher Gary Nolan started the game but lasted just one-third of an inning.

The Cincinnati Reds acquire star pitcher Tom Seaver from the New York Mets in exchange for pitcher Pat Zachry, utility infielder Doug Flynn, and minor league outfielders Steve Henderson and Dan Norman.

Reds’ GM Bob Howsam continues with the housecleaning and sends proven reliever Rawly Eastwick, who was in a salary squabble with Howsam, to the Cardinals for the unproven lefty pitcher Doug Capilla. Utility infielder Rick Auerbach is purchased from the Texas Rangers to replace the role vacated by the departure of Doug Flynn. Lefty reliever Mike Caldwell is sent to the Brewers for minor league pitcher Rich O’Keefe and minor league infielder Gary Pyka. Longtime Reds’ pitcher Gary Nolan is traded to the California Angels for minor league infielder Craig Hendrickson.

After being inserted in Milwaukee’s starting rotation, Caldwell developed a nasty screwball that helped him to become a 22-game winner for Milwaukee in 1978.

Nolan started 5 games for the Angels, posted a record of 0-3, and twice went on the 21-day disabled list. The Angels released the 29-year-old Nolan on December 29, 1977.

The Baumer
06-15-2006, 09:01 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Wayne K. should have traded Brandon Roberts for A-Rod and used him as a defensive substitution late in the game? I mean he has a plus bat, which takes care of the 'replacing a good hitter' arguement, and his defense is well above average. I don't know, it just bugs me that all the other teams in the league have GM's who are acquiring top caliber players this early in the season, and the best Wayne K. can come up with is Esteban Yan and Juan Castro.

pedro
06-15-2006, 09:11 PM
Does anyone else feel like Castro has been 33 for the last 10 years?

Aronchis
06-15-2006, 09:18 PM
Krivsky is the guy who had the Castro fetish last year in Minnesota when the Twins signed him. Krivsky's softside.

Blimpie
06-15-2006, 09:24 PM
Castro, 33, is expected to be in uniform for tomorrow's 7:10 p.m. game against the Chicago White Sox at Great American Ball ParkI'm gonna go ahead and throw my name in the ring on the George Grande sweepstakes:

I'll take 7:14 pm tomorrow night as my guess for George's 1st mention of the phrase "Manos de Oro"

:barf:

pedro
06-15-2006, 09:26 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and throw my name in the ring on the George Grande sweepstakes:

I'll take 7:14 pm tomorrow night as my guess for George's 1st mention of the phrase "Manos de Oro"

:barf:


"castro is a brilliant fielder, you know his story......." ;)

harangatang
06-15-2006, 09:30 PM
In other news I heard that Jason Romano may be traded back to the Reds as early as late tonight. ;)

deltachi8
06-15-2006, 09:30 PM
I think WOY hot this one on the head, so I wont go nuts about it. It's puzzling but i dont think it leads to much, if anything else happening short term.

Fullboat
06-15-2006, 09:31 PM
Hey!! look whos playing third its non other then "golden hands.......Shut up George.:bang: :bang:

KittyDuran
06-15-2006, 09:34 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and throw my name in the ring on the George Grande sweepstakes:

I'll take 7:14 pm tomorrow night as my guess for George's 1st mention of the phrase "Manos de Oro"

:barf:That's so Dave Mileyish of you, Blimp!:laugh:

flyer85
06-15-2006, 09:38 PM
Calm down.

Late inning defensive replacement.
what happens when EE comes back?

flyer85
06-15-2006, 09:42 PM
Felipe Lopez for Ervin Santana?do you even look at a roster before you propose this stuff?

Carbrera, Kennedy, Kendrick, Wood and Aybar say the Angels already have to many MIFs

flyer85
06-15-2006, 09:43 PM
(except I'm pretty sure Castro is better than Olmedo) I'm pretty sure he isn't. Castro is overrated defense with no bat and no speed.

If Juan is the answer and I have no idea what the question is.

flyer85
06-15-2006, 09:46 PM
Wow. Awful move. Really not much more to say than that. Complete waste of cash and prospect resources.and a move that really makes you wonder about Wayne.

Krusty
06-15-2006, 09:47 PM
Considering I don't know much about Brandon Roberts, I got to believe he is a fringe prospect. This deal doesn't fascinate me but you just have to look at the infield defense and understand why Krivsky felt he needed a late inning defensive replacement at third or shortstop.

flyer85
06-15-2006, 09:48 PM
Considering I don't know much about Brandon Roberts, I got to believe he is a fringe prospect. This deal doesn't fascinate me but you just have to look at the infield defense and understand why Krivsky felt he needed a late inning defensive replacement at third or shortstop.and how many games have the Reds lost to a late inning error at SS?

M2
06-15-2006, 09:51 PM
On the upside, Castro's on the verge of getting his career OPS below .600. That's pretty special stuff. So we've at least got a milestone chase to watch.

Krusty
06-15-2006, 09:52 PM
and how many games have the Reds lost to a late inning error at SS?

I meant he might be a late inning defensive replacement for Encarncion when he comes off the DL.

If anything, this could lead to another trade involving Olmedo for possible bullpen help. A young shortstop that was hitting real well at Triple A surely would interest some club.

Caveat Emperor
06-15-2006, 09:55 PM
If Juan is the answer and I have no idea what the question is.

How do you create a 110 post thread on an off-day?

Krusty
06-15-2006, 09:56 PM
How do you create a 110 post thread on an off-day?

Interest in the Reds is an all-time high.

flyer85
06-15-2006, 09:58 PM
I meant he might be a late inning defensive replacement for Encarncion when he comes off the DL.he really isn't much different than putting Aurilia there, except Castro can't hit at all

redsmetz
06-15-2006, 10:06 PM
I think we were over our Brandon quota.

LOL - I thought that too!

Strikes Out Looking
06-15-2006, 10:06 PM
I've just wasted 15 minutes reading this thread and I still have no idea why this deal was made unless there is something else on the way.

It's interesting that the Reds went from a surplus of 2b two months ago to a surplus of SS's today (Castro, Lopez and Rey-Rey). I won't be surprised to see Lopez go soon as he is marketable and has some flaws (even though he also has some huge strengths).

CrackerJack
06-15-2006, 10:11 PM
I meant he might be a late inning defensive replacement for Encarncion when he comes off the DL.

If anything, this could lead to another trade involving Olmedo for possible bullpen help. A young shortstop that was hitting real well at Triple A surely would interest some club.

Yeah the thing about this move is that I like Olmedo a lot and always have for some reason. Much more entertaining and valuable than Castro will ever be at this stage. Now he's back in AAA.

Unless this trade is a precursor to a move for "real" bullpen help, I have to question the need for this move at all.

Redmachine2003
06-15-2006, 10:12 PM
I just don't get it. I sure we had a slick fielder no bat in the minors.

TC81190
06-15-2006, 10:14 PM
I just don't get it. I sure we had a slick fielder no bat in the minors.

With speed too, mind you. Two of them.

smith288
06-15-2006, 10:16 PM
SWEET!

I can bring this from the dustbin

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/redscastro.jpg

Man, that is some crappy work i did there though...

Cooper
06-15-2006, 10:21 PM
Always good to send a messge to those guys in Triple A...message being "you aren't old so ya ain't got a shot at getting on this team"...i know this is corny to some, but it really does hurt morale at the minor league level. A kid like Rey-O is trying to do all the right things and in a way the organization just spit in his face. Maybe he deserves that kind of treatment, but the Braves never do that to their minor leaguers and they are kinda good. It's a bad move that doesn't have to happen.

Nugget
06-15-2006, 10:24 PM
I note someone earlier in the thread has stated this could be more of a move that indicates EE is more seriously injured than first thought. I mean Wise has taken a couple of months to come back from his ankle problem. I guess it give options for not having to start Hats at 1B and he can go back to the RA/Hats rotation.

alloverjr
06-15-2006, 10:30 PM
Wow. One of the most putrid offensive players of my generation and we trade to get him. Again. No amount of speculating on what the next move is justifies this to me (unless it's Castro for Carpenter). Many better and cheaper options elsewhere in the organization...and beer league softball fields.

Aronchis
06-15-2006, 10:33 PM
Yup, Krivsky at his worst.

Mario-Rijo
06-15-2006, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by flyer85 and how many games have the Reds lost to a late inning error at SS?


Are you being sarcastic or are you really asking this question as if Lopez's defense hasn't been a problem late in games?

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 11:29 PM
We had Olmedo because EE was hurt and needed another IF.

Olmedo has a career .954 fieling %, Felipe has a .958, and Castro has a .977.
Fielding percentage isn't a great way to look at players D, especially 1 (Olemdo) who doesn't have that many chances.

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 11:29 PM
If he's here as a backup then yahoo but I wonder how Rich will feel about it, if he starts splitting time with EE or (Lord forbid) Lopez then it's horrible.

Problem A is still the pen, please fix that Wayne.

RedsMan3203
06-15-2006, 11:36 PM
1 Move at a time....

I saw it ealier... Maybe Lopez could be on the move..... I know I WOULDN'T mind have Phillips at SS and a RA/Casrto/Freel at 2nd base.

If Lopez can net us a Starter and a guy for the Pen... Bring it on...

flyer85
06-15-2006, 11:44 PM
Are you being sarcastic or are you really asking this question as if Lopez's defense hasn't been a problem late in games?then document how many games a late inning(8 or later) error from Felo actually was the play that cost the Reds a game. You may be hard pressed to find more than one.

flyer85
06-15-2006, 11:47 PM
Maybe Lopez could be on the moveI really don't see a playoff type team in dire need of a SS except for maybe Toronto and I would doubt they would trade to get him back.

dsmith421
06-15-2006, 11:49 PM
Castro brings real value to this team. He is going to catch everything hit at him and then make the throw 99.95% of the time at short and third. The defense costs the Reds games, thats a fact and this move helps shore that up.

Have you seen Castro play since he moved to Minnesota? He's lost several steps, and his defensive reputation was completely overblown in the first place.

He gives us nothing Olmedo doesn't, except more outs and more "veteran leadership".

And I say this as a guy who LIKES Castro.

NC Reds
06-15-2006, 11:55 PM
This is sickening. Maybe Wayne can resurrect the careers of Rolando Roomes and Willie Greene too while he's fixing the team.

Castro is to Krivsky as Machado is to DanO.

Yuck.

RedsMan3203
06-15-2006, 11:56 PM
I really don't see a playoff type team in dire need of a SS except for maybe Toronto and I would doubt they would trade to get him back.


You don't have to be a playoff team to get ahold of a good SS for the long haul... If you know you are goign to have extra dough down the road... and you have a few extra arms ... why not deal for him? He can put butts in seats...

flyer85
06-15-2006, 11:59 PM
Have you seen Castro play since he moved to Minnesota? He's lost several steps, and his defensive reputation was completely overblown in the first place.Miinnesota is the worst defensive team in the league in coonverting balls in play into outs at 66.2%, which is atrocious. The Reds are at 69.8 which is a big improvement from last year and puts them in the middle of the pack. Castro has little more range than RA. The complete lack of offense from Castro offsets his defensive contributions even if he were a gold glover, which he is definitely not.

KronoRed
06-15-2006, 11:59 PM
I really don't see a playoff type team in dire need of a SS except for maybe Toronto and I would doubt they would trade to get him back.
Boston could certainly use an upgrade.

flyer85
06-16-2006, 12:00 AM
You don't have to be a playoff team to get ahold of a good SS for the long haul... If you know you are goign to have extra dough down the road... and you have a few extra arms ... why not deal for him? He can put butts in seats...Boras is his agent, I doubt anyone would think they are getting him for the long haul.

flyer85
06-16-2006, 12:01 AM
Boston could certainly use an upgrade.SS is not their main problem, they have MUCH larger issues with starting pitching especially with now Clement leaving a game with an arm problem.

RedsMan3203
06-16-2006, 12:01 AM
Boras is his agent, I doubt anyone would think they are getting him for the long haul.


Any of the New Yorks', Boston, or big market teams can get him for the long haul easy...

You know.. Jeter is getting old.

Danny Serafini
06-16-2006, 12:03 AM
I know Castro can't hit, but let's take a look at Olmedo's career line for a second:

.238/.287/.296

Is this really worth all the hand-wringing? All they're doing is exchanging 25th men.

Tommyjohn25
06-16-2006, 12:04 AM
Wow people, not a big deal at all. I would bet that the loss column will be no different at the end of the season due to this move. I know it's an off day but man....just wow.

KronoRed
06-16-2006, 12:04 AM
Olmedo was cheaper/younger.

flyer85
06-16-2006, 12:05 AM
You know.. Jeter is getting old.the Yanks don't have much to trade and SS is the least of their worries, they have two SS better than Felo.

LoganBuck
06-16-2006, 12:08 AM
My best guess at an alternative answer to the reason behind this trade: Jerry Narron was concerned with the general lack of enthusiasm toward the World Cup in the clubhouse. Now an ardent fan of fotbol is back! I can't wait for Seg to get his run down.

NC Reds
06-16-2006, 12:11 AM
Late inning pinch hitting options now include both McCracken and Castro. That's just scary.

Someone tell Krivsky we're not in the American League.

johngalt
06-16-2006, 12:34 AM
Are you being sarcastic or are you really asking this question as if Lopez's defense hasn't been a problem late in games?

Let's hear some specific cases. What do you have?

How about this...when has Lopez's OFFENSE been a factor late in games?

June 5 @ STL - Lopez joins Freel on base to give Jr a chance to hit the GW homer in the 9th

June 4 @ HOU - Lopez doubles home a go-ahead run in the 10th (the Astros tied again in the bottom of the inning, but still clutch and important)

May 11 vs. WAS - As the Reds come back from a 4-1 deficit in the bottom of the 11th, Lopez gets an RBI single and then scores on Junior's game winner

April 21 @ MIL - Lopez scores an insurance run in the top of the 8th in a 3-1 win

April 19 vs. FLA - Lopez singles home a run as a pinch hitter in the 8th and later scores the tying run for an eventual 9-8 comeback win

That's just a quick run through his game log. I'm willing to bet you don't find 5 instances where his glove cost the Reds late in games.

Wheelhouse
06-16-2006, 12:52 AM
This is the offensive equivalent of Joe Mays, junk that another team didn't want and we got hoping it improves us.

Someone tell Krivsky he's gonna have to step up and trade for real players and not castoffs if he wants this to turn around

Reminds me of Bowden, hoping to get cheap gold.

I think someone will tell him to "step up" and do that when Krivsky makes a move that ultimately pans out badly. But he hasn't so far...

WVRedsFan
06-16-2006, 01:25 AM
Except Castro plays good defense. He is here to be a late inning defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less. Is he overpaid? Yes, but it is only a 1year deal so it isn't that big of a deal.

I don't know why everyone is freaking out, we have a terrible defensive SS/3B and Castro can play both of those position.

Castro is a defensive replacement, nothing more nothing less.

Urban legend.

Castro played in 73 games at SS last year and made 5 errors.
Castro played in 22 games at 3B last year and made 4 errors.
Castro played in 5 games at 2B last year with an error.

He's no better than Aurilia at any of those positions. In fact, Aurilia has a better record and won't cost us an extra $1M. This moves baffles me. Castro is a nice guy, but why bring him here to keep guys like Olmedo from developing? I'm no Rey fan, but I'll take him anytime over Juan F. Castro.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-16-2006, 01:40 AM
Krivsky, we were just starting to like you.

KronoRed
06-16-2006, 01:46 AM
At least he's not DanO eh? ;)

TC81190
06-16-2006, 01:59 AM
At least he's not DanO eh? ;)

I'd rather we had traded for DanO to play SS in late innings.

GAC
06-16-2006, 05:30 AM
Just woke up and read this on the Red's site - and knew RZ would be exploding! :lol:

Still The Juan

"We've been together since way back when,
and sometimes I never want to see you again
But I want you to know, after all these years
That you're still the Juan I want whispering in my ears.
You're still the Juan I like to talk to in bed, still the Juan that turns my head
We're still having fun, and you're still the Juan

You're still the Juan that makes me laugh, still the Juan that's my better half
We're still having fun, and you're still the Juan
You're still the Juan that makes me strong, still the Juan I wanna take along
We're still having fun, and you're still the Juan

You're still the Juan that I love to touch, still the Juan, and I can't get enough
We're still having fun, and you're still the Juan
You're still the Juan who can scratch my itch, still the Juan, and I wouldn't switch
We're still having fun, and you're still the Juan
You're still the Juan that makes me shout, still the Juan that I dream about
We're still having fun, and you're still the Juan
We're still having fun, and you're still the Juan"

Ron Madden
06-16-2006, 06:14 AM
Calm down.

Late inning defensive replacement.

Not with Jerry Narron fillining out the line up card.

Ritchie and the Hat were signed to come off the bench to spot start and/or PH. Damned if they aint starting and hitting in the middle of the line up more often than not. This move frightens me, I hate it.

TeamCasey
06-16-2006, 06:22 AM
Can he pitch? ;)

Jpup
06-16-2006, 06:49 AM
depressing. :(

GAC
06-16-2006, 07:06 AM
Ritchie and the Hat were signed to come off the bench to spot start and/or PH.

I'm sorry Ron, but no they weren't. Especially Hatteberg. Krivsky even said that he signed Hat in order to move Dunn back to the OF (because sources within the clubhouse have stated that Dunn put up resistance to being moved to 1B and did not want to play there).

And Hatteberg is doing a darn fine job at 1B for alot less money then we were paying Casey.

AVG .290 HR 4 RBI 16 24 RUNS OBP .403 SLG .438 .841 OPS


Aurilia's stats when playing 1B (19 games)....

.278 5 HR 14 RBI 15 RUNS .354 OBP .583 SLG .937 OPS

Combined/platooned you get....

.284 BA 9 HR 30 RBI 39 RUNS .378 OBP .510 SLG .889 OPS

Rich Aurilia has been a beast against LH'd pitching this season, hitting .306 with six homers and 17 RBI in 62 at-bats. But against RH'd - I'd have him on the bench and play Hatteberg who has done pretty well against righties (and not too bad vs lefties either)...

4 HR 12 RBIs 27 BB .399 OBP .436 SLG .835 OPS

zombie-a-go-go
06-16-2006, 07:14 AM
I knew I should've picked up one of those Castro tee-shirts at the gift shop when they were marked down to $5. Now they'll be $20 again. Lack of foresight on my part, I guess. Sigh.

redsmetz
06-16-2006, 07:18 AM
Not with Jerry Narron fillining out the line up card.


This is just absurd. Castro is not being brought in to start. I'll say it again, I think this move helps the defense and it gives the Reds some additional flexibility in moving some other spare parts.

Jpup
06-16-2006, 07:21 AM
This is just absurd. Castro is not being brought in to start. I'll say it again, I think this move helps the defense and it gives the Reds some additional flexibility in moving some other spare parts.

Castro is a part the Reds should be spared from. He's awful.

It just makes little sense.

cumberlandreds
06-16-2006, 07:45 AM
Can he pitch? ;)

That was my first thought when I heard this. Unless he has converted to being a good middle releif pitcher I don't understand this move.:help: Olmedo seems like a pretty good late inning defensive replacement and he's cheaper too. Unless there is a corresponding trade later today,this is a real head scratcher.

M2
06-16-2006, 09:34 AM
Krivsky, we were just starting to like you.

I still like Krisky, but no matter how much powdered sugar you put on him, Castro is still a turd.

PuffyPig
06-16-2006, 09:39 AM
Olmedo has a career .954 fieling %, Felipe has a .958, and Castro has a .977.

That's like using Dunn's BA to justify his lack of hitting.

BA is to offense what fielding % is to defense. It only tells a small portion of a player's contribution.

Moosie52
06-16-2006, 10:17 AM
I just don't get it. Castro wasn't good enough 2 years ago, and now he is? Is this just Krivsky trying to "right" the damage done by Jim Bowden and Dan O'Brien?

Krusty
06-16-2006, 10:20 AM
People are over reacting here. Here are some things we are forgetting:

1. Castro provides relief for Felipe Lopez to maybe give him a day of rest once a week. Before Castro's acquisition, Felipe played every game for the exception of one (Olmedo started). With Castro around, the Reds can keep Lopez fresh down the stretch. It was obvious that Lopez was starting to wear down.

2. Just like Chris Denorfia playing in Louisville, Krivsky probably feels Olmedo is better off playing everyday at Louisville instead of sitting on the bench while starting once a week and being a defensive replacement late in the game for Encarncion.

3. I think Krivsky feels that Aurilia's days as a shortstop are probably over. Best positions for Rich is at 3rd and lst with an emergency start at second base.

4. The only way Castro is the starting shortstop is if Lopez is out for the season. Just as he was the caddy for Barry Larkin, Castro's job now is the caddy to Lopez and to also serve as a mentor.

westofyou
06-16-2006, 10:24 AM
Just as he was the caddy for Barry Larkin, Castro's job now is the caddy to Lopez and to also serve as a mentor.Thank God Lopez has more clubs in his bag now then Barry did the last time Castro was in town.

Beause that guy got into too many of the usual foursomes that teed off daily.

registerthis
06-16-2006, 10:33 AM
My computer goes nuts for a week, and I come back to read this?

Heh, you probably thought your computer was STILL going nuts when you read this.

RFS62
06-16-2006, 10:33 AM
People are over reacting here. Here are some things we are forgetting:

1. Castro provides relief for Felipe Lopez to maybe give him a day of rest once a week. Before Castro's acquisition, Felipe played every game for the exception of one (Olmedo started). With Castro around, the Reds can keep Lopez fresh down the stretch. It was obvious that Lopez was starting to wear down.

2. Just like Chris Denorfia playing in Louisville, Krivsky probably feels Olmedo is better off playing everyday at Louisville instead of sitting on the bench while starting once a week and being a defensive replacement late in the game for Encarncion.

3. I think Krivsky feels that Aurilia's days as a shortstop are probably over. Best positions for Rich is at 3rd and lst with an emergency start at second base.

4. The only way Castro is the starting shortstop is if Lopez is out for the season. Just as he was the caddy for Barry Larkin, Castro's job now is the caddy to Lopez and to also serve as a mentor.



I agree with every single point here. If it turns out to be a bigger role than this, I too will be miffed.

But I'm not ready to throw Krivsky under the bus for this one.

Johnny Footstool
06-16-2006, 10:35 AM
Manos de oro y pies de plomo.

TRF
06-16-2006, 10:37 AM
Olmedo does NOT need to be in L'ville. His glove is enough to keep him in Cincinnati as a defensive replacement. He's younger, faster, cheaper.

This goes to what I have stated in the past. Krivsky is like a fantasy baseball GM. He feels like he needs to make a move, any move.

Can anyone explain the Cody Ross move yet? Did that make one iota of sense?

Joseph
06-16-2006, 10:39 AM
People are over reacting here. Here are some things we are forgetting:


2. Just like Chris Denorfia playing in Louisville, Krivsky probably feels Olmedo is better off playing everyday at Louisville instead of sitting on the bench while starting once a week and being a defensive replacement late in the game for Encarncion.



I'm not blaming you for saying this, but my question is what do either of them have left to show in AAA? It's time to have them both in the bigs, or deal them. For something that can help the big league club.

RFS62
06-16-2006, 10:42 AM
Regarding using Rey instead of Juan for late innings defense, is it possible that Wayne prefers a veteran in those pressure situations? I think he believes we are contenders here and are going to be in it at the end.

Krusty
06-16-2006, 10:47 AM
I agree with every single point here. If it turns out to be a bigger role than this, I too will be miffed.

But I'm not ready to throw Krivsky under the bus for this one.

Is there a deal that we would throw Krivsky under the bus? Yeah the Yan deal didn't excite me but who are we giving up in return?

Castro deal works out if it keeps Lopez fresh down the stretch by giving him an occassional day off. Also, do you want Encarncion making a throwing error late in the game that could cost us a loss?

Krusty
06-16-2006, 10:50 AM
I'm not blaming you for saying this, but my question is what do either of them have left to show in AAA? It's time to have them both in the bigs, or deal them. For something that can help the big league club.

It is time for them to play everyday at the majors. But do you hinder or help them when they are sitting on the bench most of the week?

You want veterans for your bench that know their roles and are satisfy with playing maybe once or twice a week. Bring kids like Olmedo and Denorfia up to sit on the bench will have them biting at the bit and put more rust on them by not playing.

Now if you trade a Dunn, Junior or Kearns and call up Denorfia...you expect Denorfia to play everyday. Same with Olmedo. Young guys need to play everyday instead of sitting on the bench and collecting dust.

Krusty
06-16-2006, 10:54 AM
Olmedo does NOT need to be in L'ville. His glove is enough to keep him in Cincinnati as a defensive replacement. He's younger, faster, cheaper.

This goes to what I have stated in the past. Krivsky is like a fantasy baseball GM. He feels like he needs to make a move, any move.

Can anyone explain the Cody Ross move yet? Did that make one iota of sense?

I'll tell you what, the player we get from the Marlins for Cody Ross will be an upgrade over LHP Ben Kozlowski, who Krivsky sent to the Dodgers for Ross.

NJReds
06-16-2006, 10:55 AM
I'm not crazy about the move, but we'll know a lot more about Krvisky and Castellini after the trade deadline.

gonelong
06-16-2006, 10:58 AM
Does Castro improve the team defensively? No.
Does Castro improve the team offensively? Heck No.
Does he fill a void in a veteran leadership role? No.
Does he give us a speedy pinch runner who can swipe a base? No.

Juan Castro does nothing to improve this club. It is a puzzling move to say the least.

Look on the bright side, this does give the Reds 1 (one) player that George Grande will fawn over. :)

GL

Krusty
06-16-2006, 11:00 AM
Does Castro improve the team defensively? No.
Does Castro improve the team offensively? Heck No.
Does he fill a void in a veteran leadership role? No.
Does he give us a speedy pinch runner who can swipe a base? No.

Juan Castro does nothing to improve this club. It is a puzzling move to say the least.

Look on the bright side, this does give the Reds 1 (one) player that George Grande will fawn over. :)

GL

So I guess you know more than the Reds front office and their scouts?

REDREAD
06-16-2006, 11:00 AM
Who is Furman, and does he have inside sources?

He's just a shock jock wanna-bee on WLW (the Cincy radio station that broadcasts Reds games). He has no credibility at all. He likes to make wild predictions and stir the pot to get people to call into his show. Don't take anything he says seriously. He's deliberately bent the truth on several occasions.

smith288
06-16-2006, 11:11 AM
So I guess you know more than the Reds front office and their scouts?
Sometimes is feels that way. We also are disconnected with the players/staff and are probably more objective than the goings on inside. Lots of political things and favors being done. THis one screams of a favor to Minn if you ask me.

REDREAD
06-16-2006, 11:12 AM
I knew I should've picked up one of those Castro tee-shirts at the gift shop when they were marked down to $5. Now they'll be $20 again. Lack of foresight on my part, I guess. Sigh.


:laugh: Didn't you know "the Legend" was going to return?

Cincy is like an elephant's graveyard for aging infielders to make their last gasp. :laugh:

traderumor
06-16-2006, 11:13 AM
All attempts to rationalize this move should begin and end with Juan Castro was available, Krivsky obviously was integral in bringing him to Minny in the first place, so he moved an insignificant prospect to get a ballplayer he likes for whatever reasons.

Now, let the rehashing of why he is the worst baseball player in the history of the game resume.

traderumor
06-16-2006, 11:15 AM
Sometimes is feels that way. We also are disconnected with the players/staff and are probably more objective than the goings on inside. Lots of political things and favors being done. THis one screams of a favor to Minn if you ask me.So, we are disconnected, yet you are aware of "lots of political things and favors being done"?

REDREAD
06-16-2006, 11:16 AM
I still like Krisky, but no matter how much powdered sugar you put on him, Castro is still a turd.

I'm not a huge fan of this move either, but in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty minor. I wasn't a big fan of Olmedo either.

This move costs us a little more cash, but I doubt it hinders any future moves.

I can forgive Wayne for the Castro blindspot, as he's done a lot of other good things. I guess this move cancels out releasing Womack on the ledger :laugh: , but Wayne still has done far more in 1/2 year than DanO did his entire career.

Nothing to get that upset about. I hope people are just kidding when they say they are worried that Castro will cost Lopez and EE playing time.

Even if Castro was brought in to backfill a spot for someone to be traded (as Hattenberg was brought in to trade Wily Mo), I can live with Castro for the rest of the year if the second trade was good.

M2
06-16-2006, 11:18 AM
Castro deal works out if it keeps Lopez fresh down the stretch by giving him an occassional day off. Also, do you want Encarncion making a throwing error late in the game that could cost us a loss?

Phillips, Olmedo and even Aurilia were already around to give Felipe the occasional day off.

And do you want Castro waving at a ball that Encarnacion would be on top of late in the game that could cost the team a loss?

What you're hearing here is a lot of people who endured four years of Castro's no hit, no range, no speed act and don't want to see a repeat of it. Far as I'm concerned, every time you put Juan Castro on the field you've made your team worse. I couldn't stand watching him the first time he was in a Reds uniform and it sickens me to think that I'll have to watch him in one again.

Falls City Beer
06-16-2006, 11:21 AM
What you're hearing here is a lot of people who endured four years of Castro's no hit, no range, no speed act and don't want to see a repeat of it.

4 1/2 years wasn't it? ;)

Falls City Beer
06-16-2006, 11:22 AM
Regarding using Rey instead of Juan for late innings defense, is it possible that Wayne prefers a veteran in those pressure situations? I think he believes we are contenders here and are going to be in it at the end.

I think he's throwing crap against the wall and hoping it will stick.

M2
06-16-2006, 11:24 AM
4 1/2 years wasn't it? ;)

My bad, it was actually five.

Chip R
06-16-2006, 11:26 AM
Olmedo has never impressed impressed me with his defense. He seems to be very passable with the stick though.

Falls City Beer
06-16-2006, 11:29 AM
My bad, it was actually five.

Ack!

M2
06-16-2006, 11:29 AM
Lots of political things and favors being done. THis one screams of a favor to Minn if you ask me.

I suspect you're right. Ross to Florida struck me as the same thing. We'll see if those favors bear any fruit down the road.

If not, I'm none too pleased about punting a good reserve OF like Ross (while keeping Quinton McCracken around) while bringing in a complete disaster like Castro.

westofyou
06-16-2006, 11:30 AM
I think he's throwing crap against the wall and hoping it will stick.
Isn't that what the 24th and 25th slots are for on questionable teams?

Could not many aspects (that have nothing to do with anything mentoned here) come into play with this trade?

Right now I see this as a "5 blind men and the elephant" trade... no one knows what it is about, yet everyone has an opinion. Things play themselves out after time (like the Twins making Castro and Batista their left side of the infield)

Blimpie
06-16-2006, 12:15 PM
Manos de oro y pies de plomo.Muy bien, Juanny :thumbup:

CougarQuest
06-16-2006, 12:18 PM
Good lord, thankfully I read this site and found out that the sky was falling before I walked outside.

traderumor
06-16-2006, 12:33 PM
Isn't that what the 24th and 25th slots are for on questionable teams?

Could not many aspects (that have nothing to do with anything mentoned here) come into play with this trade?

Right now I see this as a "5 blind men and the elephant" trade... no one knows what it is about, yet everyone has an opinion. Things play themselves out after time (like the Twins making Castro and Batista their left side of the infield)What will be priceless is to see the game thread when Castro starts tonight. Managers historically put a guy they just got right into the lineup, call it the "New Toy Syndrome," and Richie hasn't been hitting well, so I would not be surprised at all. Maybe he'll put Juan in the 2 spot, or maybe even cleanup if Aurilia is sitting. How's that bandwith, Boss? :evil: :laugh:

reds44
06-16-2006, 12:35 PM
10 pages for a Juan Castro for an A ball outfielder trade? Must have been an off day.

:evil:

Roy Tucker
06-16-2006, 12:52 PM
Where is Donnie Sadler these days?

dsmith421
06-16-2006, 01:02 PM
10 pages for a Juan Castro for an A ball outfielder trade? Must have been an off day.



Or people pissed off that the franchise has gone out of its way to acquire one of the worst hitters in the history of baseball. There is absolutely no rational way to defend this move, and it reflects terribly on Krivsky.

reds44
06-16-2006, 01:05 PM
Or people pissed off that the franchise has gone out of its way to acquire one of the worst hitters in the history of baseball. There is absolutely no rational way to defend this move, and it reflects terribly on Krivsky.
No it doesn't.

We gave away nothing, and got a mcuh better defender then our current SS. Juan will be a defensive replacement. It doesn't reflect poorly at all on Wayne.

gonelong
06-16-2006, 01:08 PM
So I guess you know more than the Reds front office and their scouts?

Do you disagree with any of the statements I made? If so, then have at them.

Otherwise, buzz off.

GL

Tommyjohn25
06-16-2006, 01:20 PM
Or people pissed off that the franchise has gone out of its way to acquire one of the worst hitters in the history of baseball. There is absolutely no rational way to defend this move, and it reflects terribly on Krivsky.

Oh my, this is out of control. This team is in contention largely because of Krivsky, and all of the sudden his work is being undone by some in this thread for making a trade for a guy that will probably be seen on the field 2-3 innings a week, if that. I understand he's a bad hitter, I think we all do, but he wasn't brought in here for his bat...at all. He's not going to be the new starting SS, 3rd, or 2nd basemen, he's not here for anyones job and he won't be taking key at bats away from our sluggers.

Have a little faith people, I know it's been tough to be a Reds fan for the last several years knowing that the Front Office would likely make the worst possible decision in every given situation presented to them. But this isn't that front office, these guys know what they're doing and the teams record reflects that. We have a good GM for the first time in YEARS, and I, for one, am more than willing to let a trade that involved a nobody for a 25th man pass as "it is what it is" before I condemn Krivsky to DanO'dom, as some of you seem to be doing.

M2
06-16-2006, 01:24 PM
Have a little faith people

In Juan Castro? Sorry, I've watched most of his career and I know better.

Tommyjohn25
06-16-2006, 01:28 PM
In Juan Castro? Sorry, I've watched most of his career and I know better.

No...never in my post did I say to "have faith in Juan Castro". I think you know what i meant, have faith in this team. From the players all the way to the FO. Can you deny that the '06 Reds have exceeded all of our expectations? And can you also deny that that Krivsky/Castellini have played a large role in the obvious improvement?

Wheelhouse
06-16-2006, 01:34 PM
Or people pissed off that the franchise has gone out of its way to acquire one of the worst hitters in the history of baseball. There is absolutely no rational way to defend this move, and it reflects terribly on Krivsky.

Do you realize you have more than 1 rep point per post? Hmmmmm....

M2
06-16-2006, 01:39 PM
No...never in my post did I say to "have faith in Juan Castro". I think you know what i meant, have faith in this team. From the players all the way to the FO. Can you deny that the '06 Reds have exceeded all of our expectations? And can you also deny that that Krivsky/Castellini have played a large role in the obvious improvement?

I'm fine with faith in the team and Krivsky/Castellini, but Juan Castro's suckitude doth runneth over. He stinks and every team would be better off without him.

dsmith421
06-16-2006, 01:43 PM
We have a good GM for the first time in YEARS, and I, for one, am more than willing to let a trade that involved a nobody for a 25th man pass as "it is what it is" before I condemn Krivsky to DanO'dom, as some of you seem to be doing.

You're reading way too much into my post. Krivsky has done a pretty good job so far. But his man-love for guys with absolutely no business on a major league roster (Castro, McCracken, White) is troublesome to me. After three years of O'Brian's crap, I'm a little sensitive to a GM overvaluing garbage at this stage.

Falls City Beer
06-16-2006, 01:43 PM
What I dislike most about this trade is that it reveals Wayne's fetish to other GMs too early in his tenure.

dsmith421
06-16-2006, 01:50 PM
Do you realize you have more than 1 rep point per post? Hmmmmm....

What's your point?

Rojo
06-16-2006, 02:01 PM
This is a lot of todo over a 25th man but it pisses me off too - only because it highlights Krivsky's inaction on the bullpen front.

BuckU
06-16-2006, 02:06 PM
This thread has been a continuous source of entertainment for me today

smith288
06-16-2006, 02:19 PM
So, we are disconnected, yet you are aware of "lots of political things and favors being done"?
Uh...yea. We are disconnected in terms of personalities. We can evaluate players, suggest players move and what not because we dont have to deal with the personal ramifications. We can say "business is business" but people in the business have to deal with personalities and other variables that make these decisions go.

Getting Castro might be an example of Krivsky taking that $1million off of Minn's hands as a favor. Who knows. I just think there is always more to these types of trades than shoring up our D with Castro or Cody Ross (only to trade him after two played games).

traderumor
06-16-2006, 03:01 PM
Uh...yea. We are disconnected in terms of personalities. We can evaluate players, suggest players move and what not because we dont have to deal with the personal ramifications. We can say "business is business" but people in the business have to deal with personalities and other variables that make these decisions go.

Getting Castro might be an example of Krivsky taking that $1million off of Minn's hands as a favor. Who knows. I just think there is always more to these types of trades than shoring up our D with Castro or Cody Ross (only to trade him after two played games).

I'm sure there is more. I'm also sure that any deal with Minny will be treated by some like a related party transaction. I'll give Krivsky and Ryan both a little more credit than that, esp. since playing such games will usually keep one from having the job for very long.

BoydsOfSummer
06-16-2006, 03:05 PM
Great googly-moogly. The team I love and spend way to much time and energy on, has in the last 7-8 months traded for Tony Womack and Juan Castro.

Incredible.

Matt700wlw
06-16-2006, 04:10 PM
I think a bigger move is coming. I think the wheels are turning.

What that move is will be determined on where the Reds stand come mid to late July.

This move doesn't do much offensively, but it will allow for better defense late in the game (occasional spot start I'm sure). Defense has been an issue all season. Defense has cost this team some wins.

Bullpen is the other main weakness....perhaps this opens the door to get some help there.

We shall see what we shall see.

Matt700wlw
06-16-2006, 04:11 PM
Great googly-moogly. The team I love and spend way to much time and energy on, has in the last 7-8 months traded for Tony Womack and Juan Castro.

Incredible.

Don't throw Womack at Krivsky....Krivsky got rid of him.

smith288
06-16-2006, 04:35 PM
Don't throw Womack at Krivsky....Krivsky got rid of him.
He didnt...he threw Womack at the Reds Org in general

KronoRed
06-16-2006, 04:42 PM
I doubt any more moves are coming, that's what was said when they got Mays, nothing new yet ;)

KronoRed
06-16-2006, 04:43 PM
Phillips, Olmedo and even Aurilia were already around to give Felipe the occasional day off.

And do you want Castro waving at a ball that Encarnacion would be on top of late in the game that could cost the team a loss?

What you're hearing here is a lot of people who endured four years of Castro's no hit, no range, no speed act and don't want to see a repeat of it. Far as I'm concerned, every time you put Juan Castro on the field you've made your team worse. I couldn't stand watching him the first time he was in a Reds uniform and it sickens me to think that I'll have to watch him in one again.
Excellent post M2.

Those not impressed with Olmedo are about to get a shock because Castro isn't any better.

Doc. Scott
06-16-2006, 05:49 PM
Olmedo was cheaper/younger.

And was hitting .350 in AAA. The only thing Castro does that Olmedo "can't" was play third base. But, geez, it's with the tide of the defensive spectrum, so I don't know why they couldn't just teach Ray a little 3B while he was in the minors.

Matt700wlw
06-16-2006, 05:51 PM
He didnt...he threw Womack at the Reds Org in general

Can't argue with that then. :D

Doc. Scott
06-16-2006, 05:54 PM
I'll paste this in from my blog. And I'm only half-joking.

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Juan has forged a career out of looking smooth while fielding ground balls hit very close to where he’s standing. Now, I know that both Edwin Encarnacion and Felipe Lopez have been making large numbers of errors, especially on throws, but apparently Wayne Krivsky just prefers having the runs score on singles through the hole than endure the pain of another airmailed toss to first. (Hey, Wayne and Jerry, maybe you should put a taller guy at first. Know anyone? Me neither.) Perhaps this is all a plot to inflate those reliever ERAs even further (now that these late runs will be earned because the balls are hit juuuust out of Castro’s reach) and hold down the salaries in the offseason.
--

oregonred
06-16-2006, 06:41 PM
This thread has been a continuous source of entertainment for me today

218 posts about Juan Castro... Like the good old days.

Only thing it is missing in this thread is a guest post or two from the master of minutiae Mike De La Hoz

pedro
06-16-2006, 06:41 PM
I'll paste this in from my blog. And I'm only half-joking.

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Juan has forged a career out of looking smooth while fielding ground balls hit very close to where he’s standing. Now, I know that both Edwin Encarnacion and Felipe Lopez have been making large numbers of errors, especially on throws, but apparently Wayne Krivsky just prefers having the runs score on singles through the hole than endure the pain of another airmailed toss to first. (Hey, Wayne and Jerry, maybe you should put a taller guy at first. Know anyone? Me neither.) Perhaps this is all a plot to inflate those reliever ERAs even further (now that these late runs will be earned because the balls are hit juuuust out of Castro’s reach) and hold down the salaries in the offseason.
--

good stuff doc.

Doc. Scott
06-16-2006, 06:55 PM
No one's mentioned a word about Brandon Roberts, the Reds' seventh-round pick last year out of Cal Poly. He'd just been named to the FSL All-Star team (the only other S-Red beyond Homer Bailey.) Brandon is/was a true CF that steals a lot of bases at a high percentage, plus he hit a bunch of triples last year at Billings. Now 21, he skipped Dayton and has hit for a decent average in Sarasota, but had zero power- to the point where his SLG was hovering around .310 or something and he wasn't drawing very many walks, either.

Roberts just hasn't developed power or patience yet, so if he does as a Twin, watch out. It must not have been considered likely.

This move clears some of the path for BJ Szymanski and Drew Stubbs to move a little faster. Stubbs will only be in Billings all year if he struggles, and Szymanski has needed the push for a month or two now.

Krusty
06-16-2006, 07:00 PM
Maybe acquiring Castro sets us up with another deal with the Twins come the trading deadline for RHP Joe Nathan?;)

alloverjr
06-16-2006, 10:20 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and throw my name in the ring on the George Grande sweepstakes:

I'll take 7:14 pm tomorrow night as my guess for George's 1st mention of the phrase "Manos de Oro"

:barf:


8:54 EDT

He wanted to build up to it.

Mario-Rijo
06-16-2006, 10:32 PM
4/25/06


In the seventh, a Felipe Lopez throwing error on Royce Clayton's leadoff grounder led to Jose Vidro's RBI single, which made it a one-run game.

5/5/06


With Luis Gonzalez on second base with a leadoff double, the downward slide began when Felipe Lopez waited on Shawn Green's grounder to shortstop. The ball took a high hop and handcuffed Lopez for an error that scored Gonzalez with Arizona's first run.

5/20/06


The game slipped away when Lopez had trouble with Craig Monroe's ground ball. Lopez, a 2005 All-Star, had trouble getting the ball out of his glove before his throw hit the ground and skipped past first baseman Rich Aurilia.

Guillen easily scored and sent the 43,128 at Comerica Park into euphoria.

"It got tangled," Lopez said. "I was in an awkward position trying to get rid of it. It was a tough play."


Well I am not going to search every archive of every game to find out what % of his errors come late in the game. I will agree that Lopez isn't necc. a late game choker defensively as these few moments off the top off my head show he is an equal oppurtunity choker, but these were all moments where the game was tight in different moments and he choked hard. And these were just off the top of my head and he has many more errors (takes too long to throw a soft underhander, a few games ago I think) and bonehead plays (Stand and watch the 3rd called strike on a pitch close, basestealing blunders) that were not necc. called errors. Also the fact that he is almost never in position to make a play in a ball in the hole.

The truth is I actually like Felipe and at times he flashes brilliance, and because I like him I am always watching everything he does. But the problem is he is not an instinctive BB player, and because of that he tightens up in close games at key junctures and late in games that are tight. He gets by on talent and one day he will be an above average 2Bman if he is not too stubborn to find out. Now w/ the exception of the aforementioned called strike and the occassional baserunning blunder he is outstanding offensively.

Now I have not seen Juan Castro play since he left Cincy, so he may have lost something but the Castro that I knew was not worse in the range dept than is Felipe had nearly the arm with a far superior glove. But more importantly he had the instincts and that my friend he sure hasn't lost, and if he can help to get through to EE (who I think will be alright anyhow) and FeLo then I am all for his addition. That has to be the main reason he is here, along with the occasional def sub. As far as Olmedo who I also think is a tad underrated (just a tad) he got into a game finally and he had an error so he blew his one shot. Bottom line Juan is good for this team, Felipe better figure it out and in a hurry.

Gallen5862
06-18-2006, 12:40 AM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/news/print261737.html
Reds Reacquire Castro
By Jim Callis
June 15, 2006


Juan Castro spent five seasons as a utility infielder for the Reds before signing as a free agent with the Twins following the 2004 season. Now he's back with Cincinnati, which acquired him in a Thursday trade that sent outfield prospect Brandon Roberts to Minnesota.

Castro, 33, became expendable when the Twins finally decided that his anemic bat couldn't outweigh his slick glove. They now have handed their shortstop job back to Jason Bartlett. Castro hit .230/.270/308 with one homer and 14 RBIs in 50 games for Minnesota, a performance in line with his career numbers. He doesn't hit for average or power, draw walks or provide any speed, making him worthless at the plate. Defensively, he has soft hands and solid range and arm strength, enabling him to play anywhere in the infield. Castro has a $1 million salary in the final season of a two-year, $2.05 million contract that contains a $1 million option or $50,000 buyout for 2007. He has hit .230/.270/.336 with 31 homers and 176 RBIs in 815 big league games.

Roberts, 21, signed as a seventh-round pick out of Cal Poly last June. Playing at high Class A Sarasota this year, he hit .267/.325/.308 with one homer, 15 RBIs and 23 steals in 60 games. He focuses on making contact at the expense of power in order to make best use of his plus speed. He's a good defender in center field and has a decent arm.

<< Trade Central 2006

redsrule2500
06-18-2006, 02:29 AM
We need to trade Felipe! Shortstop Brandon Phillips is where it's at folks. Second could be Freel/Castro, 3B Edwin.

It all makes so much sense!

Blimpie
06-18-2006, 11:35 AM
8:54 EDT

He wanted to build up to it.It must have taken extreme self-control on George's part to hold off that long....;)

Marc D
06-18-2006, 11:42 AM
It must have taken extreme self-control on George's part to hold off that long....;)

Thats spectacular self control when your talking about Grande. ;)

KronoRed
06-18-2006, 05:03 PM
0-3 in the Castro era, it's not working out ;)

membengal
06-18-2006, 07:16 PM
Been away from a computer and TV most of the weekend, when I finally saw this story, I thought it a joke.

But, hey, apparently Castro is going to be available to help out of the 'pen, right?

Maybe WK got confused in his pursuit of Jesse Crain and came away with Juan Castro instead? Ryan fooled him with the monogrammed towel confirmation?

oregonred
06-19-2006, 03:47 AM
0-3 in the Castro era, it's not working out ;)

Which begs the real question "Are we really better off without Juan Castro?"

(for those newer to the board someone needs to find that archived classic thread from long ago)