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savafan
06-20-2006, 01:22 PM
Here are a few guys I would pursue to help bolster this bullpen if I were Wayne Krivsky. These guys are all from teams that are out of the race in their divisions, and could probably be acquired for cheap minor league talent.

Elmer Dessens

Royals


W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO
2006 3 6 4.17 29 0 0 0 1 4 36.2 41 20 17 3 8 29

Jimmy Gobble

Royals


W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO
2006 2 1 4.21 26 1 0 0 0 0 36.1 34 17 17 6 11 31

Chad Orvella

Devil Rays


SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA
Season 16 17.1 26 17 4 18 14 1 4 0 0.0 2.54 .347 7.79

Roberto Hernandez

Pirates


W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO
2006 0 1 2.27 32 0 0 0 2 3 31.2 28 11 8 2 15 22

Salomon Torres

Pirates


W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO
2006 2 3 4.30 43 0 0 0 0 1 46.0 56 25 22 4 14 28

Heath
06-20-2006, 01:30 PM
Orvella just got dealt to Tampa Bay, (and no offense TeamClark) so they wouldn't be moving him and if they were, it would be a painful process, even though LaMar is gone.

Why not the flyer on Dessens? If Juan Castro's back, why not Elmer?

Side note - I saw Scott Sauerback get ripped on last night. True, it was Colorado, but nothing hit higher than 85 on the gun. Might as well underhand it up there.

Krusty
06-20-2006, 01:47 PM
Roberto Hernandez would be most definitely shopped by the Pirates at the trading deadline. He would be one that the Reds should pursue.

redsupport
06-20-2006, 01:48 PM
dessens would be a big upgrade over yan, hammond, and probably weathers

Reds1
06-20-2006, 01:57 PM
How about Jeff Shaw. I hear he lives in Cincy. :)

We have Castro - Lets go get Dessens and Reyes who both are doing ok!

Red Leader
06-20-2006, 02:02 PM
Scott Sullivan available?
He could setup Scott Williamson when he gets healthy

membengal
06-20-2006, 02:09 PM
Jesse Crain. Ricardo Rincon.

Doc. Scott
06-20-2006, 02:17 PM
Hernandez is no better than what we already have. But I guess he's about the same age. He's having a last-gasp season.

I'd be down with the others, although I agree that Orvella isn't going anywhere. Torres, if I remember correctly, also has a fairly hefty contract for a middle reliever.

Red Leader
06-20-2006, 02:20 PM
I'd be down with the others, although I agree that Orvella isn't going anywhere. Torres, if I remember correctly, also has a fairly hefty contract for a middle reliever.


As does Marte, who also would be an interesting target if we could get him for a fringe prospect (if they're looking to shed salary). I bet he'd cost more though.

Gallen5862
06-20-2006, 02:34 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/transactions
Milwaukee Brewers Activated pitcher Rick Helling from the 60-day disabled list; designated pitcher Allan Simpson for assignment.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7331
#46 Allan Simpson | RP

Proper Name: Larry Allan Simpson
Born: August 26, 1977
Springfield, IL
Height: 6-4
Weight: 200 lbs.
Age: 28
Pronounced: N/A Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Pos: RP
Experience: 2 years
2006 Salary: $N/A
College: Taft (CA) REC 0-0 | SV 0 | ERA 3.38 | WHIP 1.88
Season Stats
SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA
Season 2 2.2 1 2 0 4 5 0 0 0 0.0 1.88 .111 3.38
Career 45 49.0 51 38 5 32 57 2 2 0 0.0 1.69 .273 6.06
Last 7 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -- 0.00 .000 0.00
Projected 5 5 2 5 0 9 11 0 0 0 0.0 1.88 .111 3.38

Through June 20 - Current stats updated real-time, Career stats updated nightly.
Transactions
Brewers June 3: Sent outright pitcher Chris Mabeus to Nashville of the Pacific Coast League (AAA); optioned pitcher Dana Eveland to Nashville; transferred pitcher Rick Helling to the 60-day disabled list; purchased the contracts of pitchers Allan Simpson and Zach Jackson from Nashville.
Brewers March 25: Assigned pitchers Jason Kershner, Justin Thompson and Allan Simpson, catcher Mike Rivera and infielder Brent Abernathy to minor league camp; optioned outfielder Nelson Cruz to Nashville of the Pacific Coast League (AAA).
Brewers March 20: Signed pitcher Allan Simpson to a minor league contract; assigned pitcher Zach Jackson to minor league camp.
10 Game Log
DATE OPP RESULT IP H R ER HR BB SO GB TBF #Pit HBP Dec. Rel. ERA
6/9 StL L 6-10 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 2 1 4 22 0 -- -- 3.375
6/4 Was L 4-8 1.2 1 2 1 0 3 3 2 10 44 0 -- -- 5.400
Complete Game Log
Next Game: Tue, Jun 20 vs. Detroit Tigers
SPLITS ERA W L Sv SvO G GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO BAA
Home (2006) 3.38 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2.2 1 2 1 0 4 5 .111
June (2006) 3.38 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2.2 1 2 1 0 4 5 .111
Quick Splits
VS. LEFT: .167 / .452 VS. RIGHT: .000 / .429 HOME: .111 / .468
(Stats listed are batting average and OPS against)
Complete Splits
ESPN.com Content
August 19, 2004
Rockies send Simpson down, purchase Gissell's contract
The Colorado Rockies optioned right-hander Allan Simpson to Triple-A Colorado Springs on Aug. 19 and purchased the contract of right-hander Chris Gissell.
June 16, 2004
Rockies call up Jarvis, option Simpson to Triple-A
The Rockies purchased the contract of right-hander Kevin Jarvis Wednesday night and sent righty Allan Simpson to Triple-A Colorado Springs.
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flyer85
06-20-2006, 02:35 PM
Marte, Wuertz(really like him).

The Reds need a couple of guys that can actually miss bats.

Heath
06-20-2006, 02:38 PM
Allan Simpson has Nuke LaLoosh disease. He was always pitching like his eyelids are jammed.

Redus
06-20-2006, 03:52 PM
Borowski for the Marlins....I wanted him to sign with us in the offseason...I was right O'Brien was wrong..imagine that

Team Clark
06-20-2006, 10:44 PM
Orvella just got dealt to Tampa Bay, (and no offense TeamClark) so they wouldn't be moving him and if they were, it would be a painful process, even though LaMar is gone.

Why not the flyer on Dessens? If Juan Castro's back, why not Elmer?

Side note - I saw Scott Sauerback get ripped on last night. True, it was Colorado, but nothing hit higher than 85 on the gun. Might as well underhand it up there.

Believe me no offense taken. Our ballclub is not very good. We need all of the help we can get. Orvella will stay unless he shows he has an attitude problem or something along those lines. I am more of a fan of Torres. Dessens does not take care of himself and I honestly do not know if you could count on him in September.

I know Saurbeck and I saw him get lit too. A real shame. I remember catching his bullpens in Norfolk. Total filth. Last night was absolute farth... (Bill Cosby pun)

Heath
06-20-2006, 10:49 PM
Marte, Wuertz(really like him).

The Reds need a couple of guys that can actually miss bats.

Marte has issues - like attitude and throwing strikes.

I said this in another thread. Just bring us Michalek, Shearn, Shackelford, Shafer, etc and DFA all the vets. Sometimes stupidity and inexperience is a good thing. Kind of an immortality thing.

Heath
06-20-2006, 10:52 PM
Believe me no offense taken. Our ballclub is not very good. We need all of the help we can get. Orvella will stay unless he shows he has an attitude problem or something along those lines. I am more of a fan of Torres. Dessens does not take care of himself and I honestly do not know if you could count on him in September.

I know Saurbeck and I saw him get lit too. A real shame. I remember catching his bullpens in Norfolk. Total filth. Last night was absolute farth... (Bill Cosby pun)


Its the AL East - aren't the Rays 5 games over .500 against everyone else.

I still wear my Rays hat - I hope Huff can get it going and I like Maddon's style - though some of it looks like "fluff".

KronoRed
06-21-2006, 12:09 AM
How bout all of them at this point? :D

Guacarock
06-21-2006, 01:34 AM
FROM ROTOWORLD: Brendan Donnelly said Thursday that he's frustrated with his role in the Angels' bullpen.
Donnelly has pitched just three times this month and Thursday Scot Shields was used for a fourth straight day. "This is not a major knock on Kansas City, but they're the worst team in baseball," Donnelly said. "If I can't pitch against them, who can I pitch against? I feel I deserve more than I'm getting. If my time is up here, don't hold me back from helping someone else."
Source: Los Angeles Times

Now, here is Donnelly's line for this season:

G GS W L SV IP H R ER BB K CG SHO ERA WHIP
28 0 0 0 0 28.1 27 14 10 10 23 0 0 3.18 1.31

This is his fifth season with the Angels. During that spell, he has compiled ERAs of 2.20 in '02, 1.58 in '03, 3.00 in '04, 3.72 in '05 and now 3.18 this season.

Something tells me if he was wearing a Reds uniform, he'd be getting plenty of work. Let's go out and grab him before someone else does.

His salary is only 1.05 million. He'll be arb-eligible in 07-08, then can become a free agent in 09. Makes more sense to me to get a reliever who can help us for a few years and not just for a pennant run.

tripleaaaron
06-21-2006, 01:39 AM
A few More:
Jon Rauch W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO
2006 2 1 3.09 38 0 0 0 0 0 43.2 37 17 15 6 16 40

TC81190
06-21-2006, 02:00 AM
I like Gobble the most out of all of those - less hits than innings, solid solid K rate. Started a game too. He is a former starter. Best of all, we could get him cheap because his ERA is deceptive.

Guacarock
06-21-2006, 03:40 AM
I said this in another thread. Just bring us Michalek, Shearn, Shackelford, Shafer, etc and DFA all the vets. Sometimes stupidity and inexperience is a good thing. Kind of an immortality thing.

No doubt about it. The Reds made a monstrous mistake this past off-season by signing so many last-gasp veteran relievers to guaranteed ML contracts. It's a travesty to see our pennant chances being sabotaged by a bum-ugly bullpen when we've got a veritable surplus of relievers stashed at Louisville and Chattanooga boasting sub-3.00 ERAs.

Louisville has now rattled off eight straight wins, riding the arms of guys like Chiasson (2.81 ERA), Michalak (2.72 ERA), Salmon (2.21 ERA), Shearn (2.85 ERA) and vets Robbins (3.04 ERA) and Venafro (2.60 ERA).

Meanwhile, the crop of relievers at Chattanooga looks even better, anchored by Shafer (1.11 ERA), Alvarado (1.61 ERA), Till (1.98 ERA), Coutlangus (2.34 ERA) and Guevara (2.70 ERA).

Why aren't we seeing some of these pitchers called up to stop the nightly meltdowns perpetrated by our ML bullpen? The company line is that we need to allow more time for our prospect relievers to mature. Hogwash.

Some are kids who need the extra seasoning. But others are older guys pitching lights out knowing it's either now or never for them.

The main reason we're not seeing more upward percolation? Management bungled how it constructed the roster, not providing enough flexibility and open, competitive slots so that high-performers at either Louisville or Chattanooga could be appropriately rewarded with a well-deserved promotion.

The O'Brien regime bears most of the responsibility. But Krivsky has been slow to correct the problem. Why would Burns get recalled a third time, for instance, instead of giving anyone else from Louisville an opportunity to post a sub-10.00 ERA?

Sorry if I sound cranky. I'm actually delighted that we're beginning to stockpile talent in the minors capable of helping the Reds long-term.

But with the '06 bullpen proving to be among the most absolute rock-bottom abominations I've ever had the misfortune to endure in a half-century as a hardcore Reds fan, just how long must the suffering continue before the cavalry gets called in?

Why consider wasting our ML offensive cogs -- either Freel, Aurilia, Larue, Valentin or Kearns -- acquiring more jetsam and flotsam rental relievers? Why aren't we emulating the successful methods of long-term powerhouse contenders like Oakland and Atlanta, reaching into our minor league system to discover fresh, unsung relievers?

It does seem like we have the talent on hand to give a test-run. Even if two out of three can't make it, we aren't going to be any worse off than we are now, trotting the same, usual late-inning suspects to the mound and watching them implode nightly.

My advice: Just do it. Clear the decks. Eat the sunken costs. But give us a team operating on all cylinders, at full capacity.