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kaldaniels
06-21-2006, 10:37 PM
Any thoughts on which system to buy...

I have an Xbox now but that does not affect my decision in anyway...I just want the superior machine...is it a definite that the PS3 will be better graphically??? I'm ready to pull the trigger on the 360, but if the PS3 is going to be better I'm willing to wait. FYI I could care less about the HiDef DVD w/ the PS3.

Thanks!!!

It8ifyifitsgrif
06-22-2006, 12:10 AM
The problem with the PS3 seems to be that so much effort was put into Blue-Ray, the system is not configured for superior gaming.

SeeinRed
06-22-2006, 07:22 AM
To me, the price difference is just shocking. The thing that Sony wanted to do with the PS3 is they wanted to make it a complete entertainment center instead of only being able to play games. Despite the price difference, I'll probably buy the PS3. I don't really have a reason for that decision other than I really like the PS2. For the casual gamer like me, I can't really see a huge difference in the two systems other than the Blue-Ray thing.... and I don't even know what that is.

GIK
06-22-2006, 08:33 AM
I have a 360, and paired with a HD set, it's great. I definitely recommend.

Reds4Life
06-22-2006, 08:41 AM
I think in the end the PS3 is going to be the superior machine, but the price.............UGH. Is the difference between the 360 and PS3 worth the extra money? Probably not. If you don't have a HDTV set, you won't be able to take advantage of either machines capability, IMO.

I'll probably buy a PS3 when it comes out, because the the PS platform usually has more games available, but it is way overpriced.

beb30
06-22-2006, 08:45 AM
If you couldn't care less for the HD DVD then I would go with the Xbox 360, if you compare side by side the specs they are almost identical. Graphics, processors, and the like are pretty much the same. I did buy the Xbox 360 back in the beginning of april and absolutely love it.

RFS62
06-22-2006, 02:37 PM
What's the price of the PS3?

I've heard there will be a battle for the prevailing HD DVD format, is that true?

reds1869
06-22-2006, 02:45 PM
I just bought a 360 this week and recommend it VERY highly, By far the best gaming system I've ever had, and it looks great even when you don't have the HD switch on.

KronoRed
06-22-2006, 03:22 PM
I'm leaning toward the Ps3 just for the Blu-Ray drive

beb30
06-22-2006, 03:28 PM
What's the price of the PS3?

I've heard there will be a battle for the prevailing HD DVD format, is that true?

Price for the PS3 will be $500-$600.


As far as the HD DVD format, yes there is a huge battle, its between Toshiba's HD DVD and Sony's Blu-Ray DVD both of which are High Def DVD's. I have heard that if you buy a DVD for one on the systems it will not play on the other. So until this is sorted out I really wouldn't base my reason behind buying a PS 3 on the Blu Ray DVD.

Toshiba's HD DVD systems are already out and I believe Sony's Blue Ray should be coming out as early as in the next month, we'll have to see how that goes.

RFS62
06-22-2006, 03:30 PM
Sony lost the Betamax - VHS wars years ago, even though their technology was superior.

KronoRed
06-22-2006, 03:32 PM
Expect combo drives that can play both, the format war will end in a whimper.

beb30
06-22-2006, 03:43 PM
Expect combo drives that can play both, the format war will end in a whimper.

Hopefully it ends that simple. Its kind of ridiculous that this is going on, they should just form some kind of partnership and take the best qualities from each and put it together....

dabvu2498
06-22-2006, 04:24 PM
$500-600!!!

I'll stick with my Colecovision.

Joseph
06-22-2006, 05:25 PM
I got one of those Atari Flashbacks for Christmas, it cost like 30 bucks I think and I can play Pitfall II.

Sean_CaseyRules
06-22-2006, 11:21 PM
Well I love my PS2, I've only had to buy one since they came out, and i got mine as soon as it came out, so mine has been reliable, and with hearing of all the stories about the 360's hard drives crashing, I am definatly going to buy the PS3, even though XBOX 360 has a kickass game coming out for it called Gears Of War, which definatly blew me away. But in the end I believe that the PS3 will be better in the long run, and you guys can say this view is biased because I own a PS2.......and you wouldn't be wrong....

beb30
06-23-2006, 08:25 AM
and with hearing of all the stories about the 360's hard drives crashing

Its funny when I hear this b/c my friend and I each have an xbox 360 and live together in the same household and have never experienced any crashing or anything like that. I have had sometimes where it would freeze up but what game system hasn't? But the hard drive doesn't crash or at least I have never seen it happen.

reds1869
06-23-2006, 11:28 AM
Its funny when I hear this b/c my friend and I each have an xbox 360 and live together in the same household and have never experienced any crashing or anything like that. I have had sometimes where it would freeze up but what game system hasn't? But the hard drive doesn't crash or at least I have never seen it happen.


Most of the overheating/crashing problems were because some idiots didn't read the manual and put their 360 in a poorly ventilated space. For Pete's sake, the thing has three 3.2 GHz IBM Power PC processors--it's gonna run hot! It's hard to believe someone would spend $400 and then not protect their investment.

BTW, the actual number of consoles serviced for overheating? 100. If you go around the internet and look at the "tons of complaints" it's the same 5 or 6 people complaining over and over at every website you see. Believe me, I did my homework before buying this thing. That's pretty impressive for a new product. And, no I'm not a Microsoft fan boy--in fact I'm a Mac user. It's just that the 360 is a brilliant piece of equipment.

beb30
06-23-2006, 02:53 PM
Yeah exactly, probably putting it on carpet rather than something hard like a TV stand or on top of the TV.......

RedsManRick
06-23-2006, 03:03 PM
Bear in mind that if Blue-Ray wins out, Blue-Ray DVD players will start at nearly the cost of a PS3 in and of themselves...

GIK
06-23-2006, 03:45 PM
I'll wait to see who wins, be it Blu-Ray or HD-DVD...by that time the PS3 may even drop a bit in price. :)

redsrule2500
06-23-2006, 03:48 PM
Wii.

Out of those two, XBOX 360 - it's not 600 bucks.

reds1869
06-23-2006, 06:57 PM
Wii.

Out of those two, XBOX 360 - it's not 600 bucks.


I love my 360, but already plan to have a Wii on launch day. I've never owned a Nintendo system that I didn't end up using as my number one console before all was said and done. Nintendo makes hands down the best first party games in the industry.

WebScorpion
06-23-2006, 11:21 PM
I love my 360, but already plan to have a Wii on launch day. I've never owned a Nintendo system that I didn't end up using as my number one console before all was said and done. Nintendo makes hands down the best first party games in the industry.

Yup, it looks like Nintendo is getting ready to blow the doors off the other two with the Wii. Goofy name, but Nintendo has never been embarrassed about being childish. ;)

As far as Blu-ray vs. HD DVD; It's the old Betamax vs. VHS wars all over again...Sony never learns. Blu-ray player=$1000.00, HD DVD player=$500.00, I've yet to see a price for a recordable HD DVD disc, but the Blu-ray blanks run about $50 - $60 per disk. :eek: But the pre-recorded disks for each are about the same $35.00 on sale now for anywhere from $19.99 to $24.99. Blu-ray will go the way of the Betamax and the THX sound systems.

Redsfaithful
06-24-2006, 12:57 AM
I'm guessing you'll be able to buy a Wii and an Xbox360 for about the price of a ps3.

I'm definitely going to get the new Nintendo, and I might get a 360 eventually, but there's no way I'm buying a ps3.

Brutus_the_Red
06-24-2006, 01:33 PM
Let's not also forget that beyond the $599 price tag of the PS3, it also lost the exclusivity of Grand Theft Auto, as GTA4 will simultaniously release on both systems.

The other exclusive 3rd party, Square Enix, well, it does hurt Microsoft, but even Square has been releasing more and more titles for the other players, so who knows how long their exclusivity will last.

But the price tag is the biggest problem Sony is going to deal with. Imagine this upcoming Christmas, a parent who cares nothing about games is going to pick up a system for their kid for christmas. They have 3 options, a sub-$250 Nintendo Wii, a $300 or $400 xbox 360, or a $600 Sony. It's an easy choice for that parent.

But for us hardcore gamers, the winner of this round is going to win it with content. Sony's one highest-selling franchises, Grand Theft Auto, is no longer exclusive, and Square won't stick around if the PS3's aren't selling.

This could get exciting. Most experts are predicting an even 40%Microsoft/40%Sony marketshare, with Nintendo picking up the other 20%.

KronoRed
06-24-2006, 03:05 PM
No Metal Gear on Xbox = No sale

For me at least :D

kaldaniels
06-24-2006, 07:27 PM
I'm guessing you'll be able to buy a Wii and an Xbox360 for about the price of a ps3.

I'm definitely going to get the new Nintendo, and I might get a 360 eventually, but there's no way I'm buying a ps3.

Anyone out there...whats the deal with the Wii you are all talking about...I've always viewed Gamecube as a kids game system as compared to Xbox and PS...is Wii supposed to be more "grown up", if you know what I'm saying...thanks for all the discussion on this thread by the way!!!

reds1869
06-24-2006, 09:51 PM
Anyone out there...whats the deal with the Wii you are all talking about...I've always viewed Gamecube as a kids game system as compared to Xbox and PS...is Wii supposed to be more "grown up", if you know what I'm saying...thanks for all the discussion on this thread by the way!!!

Nintendo's plan is to pull in non-traditional gamers while also grabbing the "hardcore" gamer. As far as being more grown up, it's hard to tell--but I always have felt that to be an unfair knock on the Gamecube anyway. I do know that one of the most heavily hyped Wii titles at E3 was a FPS.

saboforthird
06-24-2006, 11:15 PM
I read over on operationsports that SONY's _ONLY_ motive in putting out the PS3 is to sell the Blue Ray technology, which it hopes will be the de facto technology for television. Not sure if that is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. Games are very difficult to conceptualize, develop, make, market and sale.....and I believe innovation in the video game market is at an all-time low. SONY might be thinking of getting out of the video game market, down the road.

NatiRedGals
06-26-2006, 06:51 PM
Report: PS3 to sell for $399, cost $494 to make
Merrill Lynch Japan predicts Sony will lose more than $1 billion on hardware during its next-gen console's first year on the market--a sum it may not be able to recoup.
By Staff, GameSpot
Posted Jun 28, 2005 4:01 pm PT

According to the latest issue of Japanese magazine Toyo Keizai, Merrill Lynch Japan Securities has recently calculated an analysis that the production of a single PlayStation 3 console will cost Sony approximately 54,000 yen to make ($494), as of its initial release in 2006.

Merrill Lynch Japan estimates that the machine's main components--namely its Cell chip, RSX, and BD-ROM drive--will cost about 11,000 yen ($101) each. After adding the other electronics that will be used in the PS3, the machine's production cost goes up to 54,000 yen.

Given that Sony's PS3 will face stiff competition from Microsoft's Xbox 360, the chances that Sony will release its console at its production cost is slim. Under the assumption that the Xbox 360 is expected to sell at around $299, Merrill Lynch Japan predicts that Sony will sell each PS3 at the price of 44,800 yen ($410) in Japan and $399 in America. That would mean Sony would suffer a loss of more than 130 billion yen ($1.18 billion) during the first year of the PS3's release.

By comparison, the PlayStation 2 cost 39,800 yen ($364) in Japan and $299 in America when it launched in 2000. During its first year of release, Sony Computer Entertainment suffered a loss of 51.1 billion yen ($458 million), but it recovered the next year with a profit of 82.9 billion yen ($759 million), followed by 112.6 billion yen ($1.03 billion) the year after.

It is normal for game companies to take a loss on hardware whenever a new console launches, since they typically focus on acquiring market share rather than generating a profit during the first year. During the second year and afterward, they can recover the losses with the savings that come from mass production and with licensing fees from publishers.

However, Merrill Lynch Japan warns that the normal console business cycle may be disrupted if Microsoft cuts the Xbox 360's price when the PlayStation 3 launches. The report goes on to say that such a move could hurt Sony's plans, bringing an additional loss of 80 billion yen ($730 million) in its second year and 50 billion yen ($457 million) in its third year. Thus far, Sony has already invested 200 billion yen ($1.83 billion) into development and production for the Cell chip alone.

Toyo Keizai goes on to interview Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi, who avoided revealing the PS3's price but hinted that it would not be marked down excessively. "Whether consumers think a product is expensive or cheap all depends on the balance between its appeal and price," he said. "Our ideal [for the PS3] is for consumers to think to themselves, 'OK, I'll work more hours and buy it.' We want people to feel that they want it, no matter what."

"When Nintendo was selling its 16-bit machine at around 12,500 yen ($114), we sold the first PlayStation at 39,800 yen ($364)," continued Kutaragi. "The press was saying that it was expensive, but it was a huge hit. It's the same thing with the PlayStation Portable from last year. The Game Boy Advance is a same handheld gaming machine, and it costs less than 10 thousand yen ($91). On the other hand, our PSP had cost 25,000 yen ($229). But people lined up overnight to buy it, and it sold out on the day of its launch. It all depends on whether people want it. Of course, I'm confident that the PS3 is a product that people will actually want

reds1869
06-26-2006, 11:38 PM
Posted Jun 28, 2005 4:01 pm PT

This is VERY old news. Sony themselves said at E3 this month that the PS3 would go for about $600. So the article's claim of $399 is way off base.

reds1869
06-26-2006, 11:42 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149470

KronoRed
06-27-2006, 12:48 AM
SONY might be thinking of getting out of the video game market, down the road.
That would be awful, Nintendo would be the niche market like Apple is on the PC and then you would have the monopoly king dictating prices, they would skyrocket.

Jpup
06-27-2006, 06:27 AM
I have a XBOX 360 and my opinion is that there isn't enough games to warrant the purchase thus far. Hopefully that will change soon.

reds1869
06-27-2006, 07:32 AM
I have a XBOX 360 and my opinion is that there isn't enough games to warrant the purchase thus far. Hopefully that will change soon.


I disagree completely...I am thrilled with the selection, but perhaps that's because I bought it last week when I'd been using the Gamecube exclusively for a year. It's like I entered new-release heaven. The coming line-up is very exciting imo. Games I currently own more than paid for teh purchase: Top Spin 2, Rock Star Table Tennis and Call of Duty 2 are all great games that I personally own. Once the new cycle hits the sports gaming experience is going to be unparalleled.

I know I sound like a fan boy, but the fact of the matter is I'm a Nintendo fan who bought a 360 due to the great game selection. There have been very few bad games released for the 360 so far; perhaps games that were not of my taste, but not many that were bad--and a few that are excellent (G.R.A.W. in particular). Most 360 games have been reviewed highly by critics, and I've tended to agree with their reviews, good and bad.

Jpup
06-28-2006, 06:31 AM
I disagree completely...I am thrilled with the selection, but perhaps that's because I bought it last week when I'd been using the Gamecube exclusively for a year. It's like I entered new-release heaven. The coming line-up is very exciting imo. Games I currently own more than paid for teh purchase: Top Spin 2, Rock Star Table Tennis and Call of Duty 2 are all great games that I personally own. Once the new cycle hits the sports gaming experience is going to be unparalleled.

I know I sound like a fan boy, but the fact of the matter is I'm a Nintendo fan who bought a 360 due to the great game selection. There have been very few bad games released for the 360 so far; perhaps games that were not of my taste, but not many that were bad--and a few that are excellent (G.R.A.W. in particular). Most 360 games have been reviewed highly by critics, and I've tended to agree with their reviews, good and bad.

There has yet to be a game for the XBOX 360 that I can warrant throwing 60 bucks at, since launch. That's saying something for me. I used to buy a ton of games, but the 360 just doesn't have any excellent ones yet. I bought Madden and Tiger at launch and the lady bought me NBA 2k6 for Christmas, while all decent games, not anything special. NBA 2k6 was a great game, but it was a port. Give me something original.

I've been playing MLB 06 since March and don't plan to stop anytime soon. I haven't played my 360 or even turned it on in over 2 months. nothing about it excites me. The sports games for it have been very lackluster at best.

GIK
06-28-2006, 09:03 AM
Blazing Angels is great, IMO.

Also, I've had a lot of fun with PGR:3 and I really should pick up Tiger Woods golf.

I do wish there was a better baseball title, though, but am looking forward to Madden, Forza 2 and Halo 3.

reds1869
06-28-2006, 09:14 AM
There has yet to be a game for the XBOX 360 that I can warrant throwing 60 bucks at, since launch. That's saying something for me. I used to buy a ton of games, but the 360 just doesn't have any excellent ones yet. I bought Madden and Tiger at launch and the lady bought me NBA 2k6 for Christmas, while all decent games, not anything special. NBA 2k6 was a great game, but it was a port. Give me something original.

I've been playing MLB 06 since March and don't plan to stop anytime soon. I haven't played my 360 or even turned it on in over 2 months. nothing about it excites me. The sports games for it have been very lackluster at best.

Well, if you expect the first round of sports games to be much more than weak ports I understand your dissapointment. But just because there aren't a lot of great sports games doesn't mean there aren't great games for the system. G.R.A.W., COD2, Perfect Dark, Table Tennis and Kameo are all great XBOX 360 specific games. Just because your genre is under represented does not mean "there are no great games" on the 360. And I'll get burned for this, but I feel games were underpriced in the last generation, which led to the failure of so many software firms. $60 is pretty fair if you've ever seen what goes on behind the scenes of a game developer. Remember, NES and N64 games went for over $60 at one time.


Edited because I can type first thing in the morning!