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maniem
06-22-2006, 01:33 AM
I couldn't help but notice that 3 of our starters have ERA's under 4 with another knocking on the door. I know it is still early, but pretty amazing for this staff....

Arroyo - 2.47
Harang - 3.92
Ramirez - 3.69
Milton - 4.14

Which got to me wondering, when is the last time the Reds had 4 starters with ERA's under 4.00? Would you have to go back to 1988 with Jackson, Browning, Rijo and gang?

TeamBoone
06-22-2006, 02:13 AM
Actually, you can add Mays to that list (very very very very small sample size though).

saboforthird
06-22-2006, 02:31 AM
I couldn't help but notice that 3 of our starters have ERA's under 4 with another knocking on the door. I know it is still early, but pretty amazing for this staff....

Arroyo - 2.47
Harang - 3.92
Ramirez - 3.69
Milton - 4.14

Which got to me wondering, when is the last time the Reds had 4 starters with ERA's under 4.00? Would you have to go back to 1988 with Jackson, Browning, Rijo and gang?

How did the 1990 World Series champions win so many games? Was it the Nasty Boys bullpen?

dougdirt
06-22-2006, 02:59 AM
Which got to me wondering, when is the last time the Reds had 4 starters with ERA's under 4.00? Would you have to go back to 1988 with Jackson, Browning, Rijo and gang?
Well I looked it up, based off of at least 20 starts, the last time the Reds had 4 starteres with ERA's under 4 would have been 1990 with Armstrong, Browning, Jackson and Rijo. 1996 had 3 guys. 1988 only had 2, Danny Jackson and Tom Browning. 1978 also had 4 guys, Norman, Seaver, Bonham and Moskau.

tripleaaaron
06-22-2006, 03:03 AM
Player Ag G ERA W L SV GS GF CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO BFP WP HBP BK IBB ERA+
---+-------------------+--+---+------+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+---+---+--+---+---+
SP *Tom Browning 30 35 3.80 15 9 0 35 0 2 1 227.7 235 98 96 24 52 99 957 5 5 1 13 104
SP Jose Rijo 25 29 2.70 14 8 0 29 0 7 1 197.0 151 65 59 10 78 152 801 2 2 5 1 147
SP Jack Armstrong 25 29 3.42 12 9 0 27 1 2 1 166.0 151 72 63 9 59 110 704 7 6 5 7 116
SP *Danny Jackson 28 22 3.61 6 6 0 21 1 0 0 117.3 119 54 47 11 40 76 499 3 2 1 4 110

1990 reds pitching stats
the bullpen:
CL *Randy Myers 27 66 2.08 4 6 31 0 59 0 0 86.7 59 24 20 6 38 98 353 2 3 1 8 190
RP Rob Dibble 26 68 1.74 8 3 11 0 29 0 0 98.0 62 22 19 3 34 136 384 3 1 1 3 226
RP Tim Layana 26 55 3.49 5 3 2 0 17 0 0 80.0 71 33 31 7 44 53 344 5 2 4 5 113
RP *Norm Charlton 27 56 2.74 12 9 2 16 13 1 1 154.3 131 53 47 10 70 117 650 9 4 1 4 144
RP *Tim Birtsas 29 29 3.86 1 3 0 0 8 0 0 51.3 69 24 22 7 24 41 239 4 1 0 6 102

yeah, everyone had an ERA under 4, almost half of which had an ERA under 3, and one with an ERA under 1
So, in other words, we need 4 new bullpen guys almost as good as Coffey to match their success

Redhook
06-22-2006, 09:42 AM
How did the 1990 World Series champions win so many games? Was it the Nasty Boys bullpen?

The Nasty Boys were unbelievable. I tried to look up the exact stat, but I couldn't find it. If I recall correctly, I think the Reds only lost 1 game all year when they had the lead going into the 8th inning. I wish I knew the exact stat, but basically the Reds never lost when they had a late lead. It was awesome.