View Full Version : Trade idea with Nationals

06-24-2006, 09:28 PM
I usually do not perpetuate trade ideas or rumors, but I just had a thought.

My trade idea is this, Adam Dunn (who I have been against trading) and Felipe Lopez to Washington for Alfonso Soriano and John Patterson or John Rauch.

It is likely that Soriano will be traded from Washington. A down side is that he is a free agent at the end of the year, so it is a risk. With the new ownership, however, there is always a chance to sign him beyond this year.

The trade would give Soriano a chance to return to second base, Phillips moves to shortstop, Freel becomes the everyday left fielder and if it's Patterson, he solidifies the rotation and if it's Rauch he would help the bullpen.

Soriano also becomes a potent lead-off hitter and Freel could bat eighth, giving you speed at the top and bottom of the line-up.

I realized this may be far-fetched, but I thought I would venture somewhere I said I would never go.

Give me your thoughts, but please be kind.

06-24-2006, 09:30 PM
Not a good trade. Soriano is a free agent at the end of this year. In essense what you are proposing is to trade Dunn for a guy a who will be a free agent at the end of this year and Lopez for a middle reliever.

Patterson is a good target though IMO

06-24-2006, 10:19 PM
Would Kearns be a better substitute to try to trade for Patterson instead of Dunn?

06-24-2006, 10:26 PM
Would Kearns be a better substitute to try to trade for Patterson instead of Dunn?

I think I'd want more for Kearns. I'd trade Denofria for Patterson though.

06-24-2006, 11:06 PM
That sounds like the best trade Pedro. I was just trying to get it away from Dunn. :)

06-24-2006, 11:08 PM
We don't want Soriano in the infield, he's terrible defensively there.

Patterson will cost a lot.

Patrick Bateman
06-25-2006, 12:00 AM
Patterson will cost more than Denorfia IMO.

06-25-2006, 12:21 AM
Patterson will cost more than Denorfia IMO.


06-25-2006, 12:39 AM
Kearns for Ervin Santana is what I want.

Henry Clay
06-25-2006, 12:47 AM
Patterson is a good target. I don't know that Soriano needs to be involved. The Reds need pitching, not another second baseman.

As for the generic notion of using Kearns, Dunn, or any other 1998 or 2003 or earlier draft pick as bait, that is a great strategy with Bowden if the return is sufficient. He has shown a tendency to like the players he picked with Cincinnati.

Does anyone know if Patterson's DL stint was an indication of a chronic injury? I live in the DC area and should know this, but do not.

06-25-2006, 02:52 AM
from over a month ago, but still seems like he could be a problem we dont need, even though I was all for it, He has great potential but we've been there before.


Patterson leaves many questions
By Mark Zuckerman
May 15, 2006

The Washington Nationals knew in spring training that their pitching staff bore little resemblance to the one that carried them through much of last season.
But if nothing else, the Nationals did feel like they had two sure things at the top of their revamped starting rotation: Livan Hernandez and John Patterson.
They were wrong, and now they're paying for it.
What should have been a reliable 1-2 punch on the mound has been a disappointment. Hernandez hasn't pitched this poorly since 2001 with the Giants. But at least he's pitching, something Patterson isn't doing right now.
Hernandez's issues, both physical and mental, have been addressed ad nauseam. Patterson's case, however, remains an enigma.
Everything seemed to be going well for the 28-year-old right-hander. He had a fabulous spring, struck out a career-high 13 against the Marlins on April 15, then dominated the Braves six nights later at RFK Stadium.
And then ... well, word came down Patterson had been battling some tightness in his right forearm. It wasn't thought to be serious, and initially Patterson was to be pushed back just one day. But that soon became one week. Then he was placed on the DL, with a May 13 target date for his return. That then became May 18. And now it's become June 1.
At the earliest. Who knows what kind of shape Patterson's arm will be in at that point?
So what's really going on? Can a strained forearm really keep a pitcher out six weeks? Is the injury perhaps more serious (which may explain why Patterson visited esteemed orthopedic surgeon James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala., last week)? Is Patterson's tolerance for pain just not strong enough?
This much is clear: All parties involved are frustrated. Patterson says he wants to pitch. General manager Jim Bowden says Patterson could pitch if the Nationals were in the middle of a pennant race, but the club doesn't want to jeopardize his future.
But what kind of future does Patterson have? He perpetually displays his immense talent and ability to dominate, then induces cringes every time he gets hurt or fails to show the intestinal fortitude expected from a majorleague ace.
Patterson and the Nationals may be concerned about his long-term future, but they may be dealing it a significant blow right now with their cautious approach.
Patterson is going to be eligible for arbitration for the first time after next season. He'll be a free agent three years later. As one former big-league pitcher and astute Patterson observer recently said: "What he needs to do right now is make 100 starts over the next three seasons. It doesn't matter how many games he wins. If he can just prove he can stay healthy enough to pitch every fifth day, he'll get a big contract."
But will he get it from the Nationals? And will he still be a part of the organization when that time comes? Washington's GM, whether it's Bowden or not, would be foolish not to lock up a supremely talented pitcher like this ... unless there's genuine concern he's never going to be able to stay healthy or that he doesn't possess the other intangible qualities a team needs from its ace.
The Nationals know Patterson is capable of dominating opposing teams. What they don't know is if he's capable of doing it over the long haul. And there's no way to find that out if he's on the DL.
One way or another, this club is going to have to make a decision on this tantalizing, yet baffling, pitcher. Is John Patterson a part of the organization's long-term plans? Or is he just part of the current problem?

he did look good in his last start though:
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV IP ERA
Jun 23 @ BAL L 1-2 L 6.0 6 2 1 0 0 3 1 1 0 31.2 3.41

06-25-2006, 08:52 AM
I think Bowden will be trading Soriano for young talented prospects.

06-25-2006, 03:13 PM
As long as they are 5 toolers :D