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Benny-Distefano
06-30-2006, 09:47 AM
LaRue is the latest "star" to refer to himself in the 3rd person. sorry...I've always found this to be very pretentious. And with HIS batting average? Maybe he should stat refering to his ineptitude at the plate in the 3rd person? :cool:

LaRue is unhappy with his situation.

"I expect to play every day," he said. "I signed as a starter. Everyone knows Jason LaRue is a slow starter. It's a long season. You're going to have your ups and downs."

Redus
06-30-2006, 09:53 AM
Time to move him. Granted his play has hurt his value but time to get rid of him before he becomes clubhouse cancer guy.

gonelong
06-30-2006, 10:30 AM
Time to move him. Granted his play has hurt his value but time to get rid of him before he becomes clubhouse cancer guy.

I'd say the chances of Larue becoming a clubhouse cancer are viturally zero.

GL

Joseph
06-30-2006, 10:34 AM
Yes, let's get rid of LaRue and put all our eggs in the David Ross basket. Cut the man a freakin' break. He did sign to be the starter, and before the season is over he will be again, and he'll hit his usual 12- 15 HRs, and drive in 60-70 and and hit 250. Argue that those career norms aren't worth the money and you'll have more of an argument than 2 and half months of him not getting to play because David Ross is playing way over his skill set.

oneupper
06-30-2006, 10:44 AM
LaRue should get more PT. Having him catch two starters, Ross two and Valentin one is probably the way to go.
But he has to earn his PT, too. And recognize that "Jason LaRue has been sucking it up with the bat".

Interesting how he became more vocal after getting a couple of hits.
He just wants to play, with the REDS or someone else.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-30-2006, 10:48 AM
I think 12-15 HR's, 60-70 RBI, and .250 is great out of a catcher. I really do.

I just don't understand the logic behind paying that 32-year old catcher 9.1 Million when you can get average results (10 HR, 40-50 RBI, .230) from just about any catcher the makes the near the league minimum.

I may have it wrong. Maybe the "average" stats for a catcher are a lot lower, but I just don't see the difference being that great to warrant 4.5 M per season, epecially when you have a low team payroll.

David Ross will not hit .300 and he will not hit 25 HR and not knock in even 80. That's a given. If he plays the whole year, he will be lucky to finish at .250, but even with that said, the power is similar, he call a decent game (like Larue), but he makes a little more than a nickel for every dollar Larue makes and he's three years younger and will be cheap for some time.

I'll take the average defensive catcher that can catch 120 games and put up .250/.320/.420/.740 and pay him pennies on the dollar.

dfs
06-30-2006, 11:03 AM
I'm probably more critical of Jason LaRue the player than anybody here, but I have to say I'm really impressed with Jason LaRue off the field. By all rights, he should be whining and complaining about playing time and he has simply NOT done that. One of the unwritten rules in baseball is that you don't lose your job when you are injured. That's essentially what happened to LaRue and he's not complained about it at all.

RichRed
06-30-2006, 11:24 AM
Jimmy holds grudges. Jimmy's gonna get you, Kramer.

redsfanfalcon
06-30-2006, 11:49 AM
I've always been a big LaRue supporter...he plays the game all out, and plays with intensity. I know that doesn't translate into numbers, but he always is a slow starter. I would say trade Valentin and bring up Denorfia.

Chip R
06-30-2006, 12:09 PM
I'd say the chances of Larue becoming a clubhouse cancer are viturally zero.

GL

Don't you mean, "remote"? ;)

Redus
06-30-2006, 12:16 PM
Well peeing and moaning about playing time isnt exactly harmonious is it? Especially when the team is winning.

RedsMan3203
06-30-2006, 12:24 PM
I don't think he really was talking about his self in 3rd person.....

He just stated... Everyonebody knows Jason LaRue starts slow.

dabvu2498
06-30-2006, 12:26 PM
I don't think he really was talking about his self in 3rd person.....

He just stated... Everyonebody knows Jason LaRue starts slow.
And that is the very definition of using the thrid person. Someone who is less self-conscious might haved said "Everyone knows I'm a slow starter."

BuckeyeRedleg
06-30-2006, 12:26 PM
Agree Redus. IF Larue was complaining, he'd be considered a cry baby and cancer, especially considering how hot Ross has been and that the team has been winning, but because he doesn't complain publically, he's a saint?

It's like saying he's a great guy because he doesn't cheat on his wife.

I don't get it.

TeamBoone
06-30-2006, 12:56 PM
Here's the full article:


06-30-2006

LaRue dealing with frustration, uncertainty
By Marc Lancaster / Post staff reporter

Jason LaRue had his best showing at the plate in weeks Wednesday night, but he was back on the bench Thursday.

He couldn't have been surprised. Bronson Arroyo was on the mound for the Reds, and David Ross has caught each of his starts dating back to the end of spring training. Still, LaRue's frustration grows with each day spent out of the lineup, and that has been the norm lately.

"No doubt, it's hard," said LaRue. "I expect to play every day, that's what they signed me to do. For whatever reason (it hasn't happened), whether it's me struggling with the bat or whatever - I guess probably that would be the reason. But everybody knows that Jason LaRue's always been a slow starter. I get hot about two months into the year."

That has been his pattern. Last season, LaRue hit .172 with no home runs and seven RBIs through his first 28 games and .288 with 14 homers and 53 RBIs in 82 games the rest of the way.

Of course, his turning point last year came in mid-to-late May, and he's well past that mark now. Even after a 2-for-4 night Wednesday that included a couple of singles and a drive to the warning track, LaRue has just four hits in his last 44 at-bats. For the season, he's hitting just .178 with four homers and 11 RBIs.

Despite those unsightly numbers, LaRue deployed a three-pronged argument for more playing time. First, the two-year, $9.1 million deal he signed last offseason - starter's money, to be sure. Second, the fact that defense has always been his first priority and continues to be. Third, that he can't very well hit himself out of his slump if he isn't getting any at-bats.

At the same time, Ross is known for his ability to handle pitchers and he is hardly a liability defensively. Combine that with the All-Star-caliber numbers he has put up at the plate this year (.311, 10 homers, 26 RBIs in 39 games) and it's difficult to concoct an argument against having him in the lineup almost every day.

LaRue acknowledged that Ross has been hot, but stuck to his original reasoning.

"When you're a starter in this game, no matter what, you're playing every single day," he said. "My job first and foremost is to catch first and hit second, and I've always said that. That's what your good catchers do."

Tonight, Elizardo Ramirez will get the ball for the Reds. With the Indians starting right-hander Paul Byrd, chances are Javier Valentin will be behind the plate catching Ramirez.

Narron has tried to match LaRue up with Aaron Harang lately, but Harang's next start isn't until Monday. LaRue might get out there with Joe Mays on Saturday or Eric Milton on Sunday, but he won't know for sure until he gets to the ballpark each of those days. That uncertainty is as difficult as anything for the longest-tenured Red.

"I really don't know what to say," he said. "But the most important thing is, the team's winning."
http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060630/SPT05/606300321/1027

TOBTTReds
06-30-2006, 01:06 PM
I think 12-15 HR's, 60-70 RBI, and .250 is great out of a catcher. I really do.


I don't think those numbers are bad for a catcher, if he is a very good catcher. We don't have a very good catcher on this team though.

I think his game-calling is rather poor, and he has trouble literally receiving the pitches and loses many close strikes because of his eratic catching style and movement behind the plate.

Since I don't feel we have any catcher that is really a good catcher (so far I think Ross is the best receiver), then I feel we stick with the best offensively. And I think LaRue will be fine offensively with some more AB's.

But LaRue is costing us 3 mil a year, and we already have a very good hitter vs. LH'ers in Ross, and JV can handle RH'ers. Where does that leave LaRue? Hopefully sent out with that contract.

Caveat Emperor
06-30-2006, 01:13 PM
Time to move him. Granted his play has hurt his value but time to get rid of him before he becomes clubhouse cancer guy.

Sign #43 of the Apoclypse (per Revalation):

"And ye, it came upon me a great light that spoketh with the wonders of heaven and hell and revealed upon me the wisdom: bewareth those who doth seek to poison thou with the false knowledge that Jason LaRue might ever be considered a clubhousehouse cancer. For thou knoweth no less selfish a player than Jason LaRue, and if upon thy ears such knowledge falls, thou shalt truely know that the last battle approaches."

I mean...seriously, has there been more of a "get my uniform dirty, hustle all out, do the little things, play through pain, manly man" player on the Reds these last few years than Jason LaRue? He has as much chance of turning into a clubhouse cancer as I do -- and I'm not allowed in the clubhouse.

RFS62
06-30-2006, 01:32 PM
Jason needs to shut up and stay ready. If Ross cools off, he's back in. If not, that's the way it goes. That's how he got his job in the first place, beating out someone else.

It's the circle of life. Shut up and stay ready.

realreds1
06-30-2006, 01:50 PM
LaRue is the latest "star" to refer to himself in the 3rd person. sorry...I've always found this to be very pretentious. And with HIS batting average? Maybe he should stat refering to his ineptitude at the plate in the 3rd person? :cool:

LaRue is unhappy with his situation.

"I expect to play every day," he said. "I signed as a starter. Everyone knows Jason LaRue is a slow starter. It's a long season. You're going to have your ups and downs."


Pardon me for putting on my grammar police hat :eek:, but in addition to using third-person point-of-view, I noticed that Larue also uses the first-person point-of-view twice in that quote. :thumbup: Though I'm certain he's not an English major, I was excited to see him use the second-person point-of-view in that quote, too ("You're going to have your ups and downs.").

So, I say, my grammar police hat's off to you, Jason Larue, for using the big three types of point-of-view in one graph! :jump: You must've made your high school English teacher proud...

Joseph
06-30-2006, 01:51 PM
Any argument about these guys calling a good or bad game is pretty well irrelevant as Narron calls the pitches from the bench last time I looked for LaRue, Ross, and Valentin.

I could be wrong though, might just be in certain situations.

Hoosier Red
06-30-2006, 01:57 PM
Jason needs to shut up and stay ready. If Ross cools off, he's back in. If not, that's the way it goes. That's how he got his job in the first place, beating out someone else.

It's the circle of life. Shut up and stay ready.

To be fair he did that. It was at the end of the article, but it may not have been the last thing he said.

dabvu2498
06-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Pardon me for putting on my grammar police hat :eek:, but in addition to using third-person point-of-view, I noticed that Larue also uses the first-person point-of-view twice in that quote. :thumbup: Though I'm certain he's not an English major, I was excited to see him use the second-person point-of-view in that quote, too ("You're going to have your ups and downs.").

So, I say, my grammar police hat's off to you, Jason Larue, for using the big three types of point-of-view in one graph! :jump: You must've made your high school English teacher proud...
Actually from someone who was an English (and History) major, second person point of view is generally regarded as poor form. For one, most readers can't stand it. (Because YOU feel like YOU'RE always beeing talked to, instead of being a passive participant in reading/listening). Basically the only place second person point of view is used now is in manuals or, occaisionally, in dialogue.

http://www.stlcc.cc.mo.us/mc/support/cwc/fpages/Point_of_View.html

;)

RANDY IN INDY
06-30-2006, 03:11 PM
Jason needs to shut up and stay ready. If Ross cools off, he's back in. If not, that's the way it goes. That's how he got his job in the first place, beating out someone else.

It's the circle of life. Shut up and stay ready.

:beerme:

I will get ready and then, perhaps, my chance may come.

John Wooden

realreds1
06-30-2006, 03:15 PM
Actually from someone who was an English (and History) major, second person point of view is generally regarded as poor form. For one, most readers can't stand it. (Because YOU feel like YOU'RE always beeing talked to, instead of being a passive participant in reading/listening). Basically the only place second person point of view is used now is in manuals or, occaisionally, in dialogue.

http://www.stlcc.cc.mo.us/mc/support/cwc/fpages/Point_of_View.html

;)

This is true! It's also the restrictive point-of-view -- you're limited to how well you can use it. Use it often, and you sound like a shady detective in a 1920s pulp magazine....

dabvu2498
06-30-2006, 03:19 PM
This is true! It's also the restrictive point-of-view -- you're limited to how well you can use it. Use it often, and you sound like a shady detective in a 1920s pulp magazine....
Second person POV would be a lot cooler if we still used "thou."

Razor Shines
06-30-2006, 03:28 PM
Second person POV would be a lot cooler if we still used "thou."
That's very funny to think of. "Thou art going to haveth thou's ups and downs."

TOBTTReds
06-30-2006, 03:42 PM
Any argument about these guys calling a good or bad game is pretty well irrelevant as Narron calls the pitches from the bench last time I looked for LaRue, Ross, and Valentin.

I could be wrong though, might just be in certain situations.

I dont think he calls pitches. They do signs constantly just to keep it from being obvious when there is something on. They will do some signs that show what to work with on the hitter, but if Narron was calling every pitch, they might as well install a speaker in the catcher helmet ala NFL QB's

Cedric
06-30-2006, 03:44 PM
Don't worry about Larue, he's fine. He will put up his usual hot Aug/September against the junk pitchers of the world.

MartyFan
06-30-2006, 03:51 PM
I've always been a big LaRue supporter...he plays the game all out, and plays with intensity. I know that doesn't translate into numbers, but he always is a slow starter. I would say trade Valentin and bring up Denorfia.

I'd trade Larue or Valentin and Kearns for a couple of AAA arms...if they were out there...and then bring up Deno.

TeamBoone
06-30-2006, 08:10 PM
I dont think he calls pitches. They do signs constantly just to keep it from being obvious when there is something on. They will do some signs that show what to work with on the hitter, but if Narron was calling every pitch, they might as well install a speaker in the catcher helmet ala NFL QB's

I know I read once that LaRue calls his own game... at least 90% of it. I don't know about the other guys.

dabvu2498
06-30-2006, 11:44 PM
I know I read once that LaRue calls his own game... at least 90% of it. I don't know about the other guys.
Would Jason LaRue like to take some of the credit then for the performance of this pitching staff over the past few years?

Don't kid yourself, most (veterans especailly) pitchers call their own game.

KronoRed
07-01-2006, 12:00 AM
Trade him before it becomes a daily thing in the paper

gm
07-01-2006, 12:18 AM
Basically the only place second person point of view is used now is in manuals or, occasionally, in dialogue.

You go, Jason ;)

TeamBoone
07-18-2006, 02:36 PM
Would Jason LaRue like to take some of the credit then for the performance of this pitching staff over the past few years?

Don't kid yourself, most (veterans especailly) pitchers call their own game.

I hardly think the quality of the pitching staff (or rather, lack thereof) over the past few years is LaRue's fault.

markymark69
07-18-2006, 03:26 PM
One thing is for sure for LaRue. With Ross out, he better make the most of the chance he will get to play. He is not the first person to lose his job because of injury, see Wally Pipp (Lou Gehrig) and Buddy Bell in Cincinnati (Chris Sabo). His defense has been there, but he needs to get the bat going.

If he produces, he'll be in the line-up, if he does not, I really find it unacceptable to complain or voice displeasure over not playing, especially since the guy that replaced you (Ross) took advantage of his opportunity and has played well.

He won't be traded though, unless Ross gets healthy and/or he heats up at the plate and even then, the Reds will likely have to pick up some salary.