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Carbofan
07-03-2006, 02:00 PM
I made the 6 hour trip to Pittsburgh this Sunday and saw an exciting 1 run game vs Detroit. I was sitting all around Pirate fans (while scoreboard watching the Reds) and the topic of Casey came up. They love him in Pittsburgh but it sounds like they have a young hr hitter to replace him with next year. Most seem to think he is a 1 year stopgap till this guy is ready. Not sure what his name is. They seem to think he would like to come back to the Reds. Also, when I was at the Reds game on B Larkin bobble head night, I was trying to get the first program of the year and it seems they are all out of them. Does anyone have one they would like to sell?
Thanks

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 02:06 PM
Brad Eldred is the prospect 1B for Pittsburgh. He should be pretty good. Not Ryan Howard good, but good enough to replace Casey. As much as I like Sean Casey, the person, I don't want him coming back to Cincinnati next year to play. We have our own prospect in Joey Votto who should be getting close to making a splash in the big leagues. I'd rather they spent some of that money they'd possibly give to Casey to upgrade the bullpen or a free agent starter. As Scott Hatteberg proved, you can find a league average 1B pretty close to Spring Training if need be without having to spend millions of dollars on one.

Maldez
07-03-2006, 02:07 PM
I love Casey the person, but we got a guy at 1B in Hatteberg who's doing everything Sean could do with the bat at a fraction of the salary. And as a bonus, Hatteberg can make it around the bases in under 2 minutes.

Joseph
07-03-2006, 02:09 PM
Not that I'm suggesting we do it, but what if Casey says he'll come back for 500k [or roughly the same range as Hatte]?

Red Leader
07-03-2006, 02:15 PM
Not that I'm suggesting we do it, but what if Casey says he'll come back for 500k [or roughly the same range as Hatte]?

If he's interested in coming back for a 1 year, $500K salary and possibly platooning at 1B (doubtful), I'd consider it. Otherwise, no thanks.

And that's not to screw Casey, that's just to keep us from screwing ourselves.

Ibleedblue
07-03-2006, 09:46 PM
Only take Casey if he is willing to sign on the cheap. Casey and Hatteberg might work well as a platoon, they are basically the same player, and Hatteberg could use the extra days off since he is getting up there in age. I know Casey is no spring chicken, either, but the two of them splitting time will keep both well rested and ready to contribute when they do play.

If Casey wants a multi year, multi million dollar contract, then I say forget about it.

flyer85
07-03-2006, 09:47 PM
Casey and Hatteberg might work well as a platoon... they both bat LH

RBA
07-03-2006, 09:55 PM
Just say NO.

TOBTTReds
07-03-2006, 09:58 PM
Hatte actual has much better numbers than Casey did. Probably a better fielder, and faster, but fewer hugs. If you bring Casey in, Narron will be even less likely to try Votto.

Ibleedblue
07-03-2006, 09:59 PM
... they both bat LH
And Casey is much better for his career against LH pitching than Hatteberg. Casey/Aurillia would also work. Hatteberg will be 37 next year, so it might be best to replace him with Casey, since Casey is about 5 years younger.

Ibleedblue
07-03-2006, 10:04 PM
Hatte actual has much better numbers than Casey did. Probably a better fielder, and faster, but fewer hugs. If you bring Casey in, Narron will be even less likely to try Votto.
Casey has a better fielding percentage for his career, putting up .998 last year and 100% this year so far. Casey also has 17 less errors despite playing almost 2,000 more innings there.

Also, if Casey comes in real cheap, it makes him easily expendable if Votto becomes an option.

KronoRed
07-03-2006, 10:44 PM
Casey won't come back to be a part timer, and Narron wouldn't use him as one if he did.

He'd be starting and batting 3rd

Ibleedblue
07-03-2006, 10:48 PM
Casey won't come back to be a part timer, and Narron wouldn't use him as one if he did.

He'd be starting and batting 3rdIf that is the case, he would be useless to us.

Ron Madden
07-04-2006, 12:19 AM
If that is the case, he would be useless to us.

I'm afraid that Would be the case.

Tony Cloninger
07-04-2006, 12:36 AM
Exactly....forget that.

I see Votto as a combo of almost Dunn like power and OB skills....to go along with the good Casey line drive hitting type.

I would rather Votto be given the chance ...than to keep putting casey out there.

jnwohio
07-04-2006, 02:51 AM
Don't think Casey's skill set synch's very well for what is needed for a bench player. He only plays one position. He doesn't hit for power. He doesn't run well which means they'd often burn two players by sending a runner in for him after he PH and singled not to mention he would be a double play waiting to happen every time he got sent up with a man on first.

The other side of the coin to me is that a lot of "nice giys" seemed to get too comfortable with each other and the friendly atmosphere along the way to losing way too many games in Cincy the last 3 or 4 years. The Reds seem to have turned a corner (did anyone else notice Castro's remarks about the different attitude upon his return). Let's not go back.

redsrule2500
07-04-2006, 05:14 AM
Casey said he would have taken a pay cut to stay in Cincinnati.

Crazy, but true, and I would welcome him back for sure.

RedsBaron
07-04-2006, 08:38 AM
Casey won't come back to be a part timer, and Narron wouldn't use him as one if he did.

He'd be starting and batting 3rd
I expect you are right. Sean's a great guy, but his time here has passed.

OnBaseMachine
07-04-2006, 08:53 AM
Votto is hitting .326/.398/.586 with 47 XBH in 319 atbats in Double-A. Give him the opportunity to win the starting 1B job next Spring.

Chip R
07-04-2006, 06:12 PM
Casey said he would have taken a pay cut to stay in Cincinnati.

Crazy, but true, and I would welcome him back for sure.

But how much of a cut? He is making $8M now. $7M would be a pay cut. So would $5M. So would $2M. You actually believe he would come back to Cincinnati for what Mr. Hat is making? I am sure some team who believes that chemistry is a good thing will pay him good money to play there. Maybe ATL, maybe LA, maybe even PIT will overpay to keep him there as a sop to the fans. Could be CLE would welcome him back. I like the guy and wish him well but unless he wants to be a coach, there is no place here for him. We have too many guys now who could or should play 1st. He is too fragile and not getting any younger.

jimbo
07-04-2006, 06:54 PM
We have too many guys now who could or should play 1st. He is too fragile and not getting any younger.

Casey is only 32. Yes, he's had injuries this season but they were the result of a collision at first base (fractured back) and getting hit on the hand by a pitch. I don't think there are too many players who would have come out of those situations unscathed.

I'm not advocating bringing him back, but I don't think he is done.

boognish
07-04-2006, 07:04 PM
He also has a history of serious shoulder problems and has had three concussions. Former Red or no, that is reason enough not to give the guy millions, IMO. Then you consider production, and whether you would be overpaying for production you already have, at a much cheaper rate.

Heath
07-04-2006, 09:25 PM
Votto is hitting .326/.398/.586 with 47 XBH in 319 atbats in Double-A. Give him the opportunity to win the starting 1B job next Spring.

I'm interested in a few months in AAA for Votto.

Chip R
07-04-2006, 09:45 PM
Casey is only 32. Yes, he's had injuries this season but they were the result of a collision at first base (fractured back) and getting hit on the hand by a pitch. I don't think there are too many players who would have come out of those situations unscathed.

I'm not advocating bringing him back, but I don't think he is done.

I don't think he's done either but he seems to come down with some kind of an injury every year. He is a fine hitter and a decent 1st baseman. He also has that lingering shoulder thing as boognish mentioned. I don't want to pay a guy with his injury history what he is probably going to ask for. If someone else wants to, God bless 'em.

Newman4
07-05-2006, 10:01 AM
Votto is hitting .326/.398/.586 with 47 XBH in 319 atbats in Double-A. Give him the opportunity to win the starting 1B job next Spring.

I'm pretty much with you on this one. I think he gets a AAA call up anytime now and possibly a September cup of coffee. By the way, I don't think he'll be the only current Chattanooga Lookout battling for a ML job next spring. ;)