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reds44
07-05-2006, 01:50 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/name/FS/rumors


Multiple teams interested in Weaver
Los Angeles Times (registration required)
Times staffer Bill Shaikin says the Dodgers, Cardinals, Padres, Mets, Brewers, Red Sox, Rangers and perhaps even the Reds and D-Backs all have varying degrees of interest in Angels pitcher Jeff Weaver.

Matt700wlw
07-05-2006, 01:53 PM
Put him in the bullpen...it absolutely cannot get worse than the highest bullpen ERA in baseball.

jimbo
07-05-2006, 01:56 PM
Put him in the bullpen...it absolutely cannot get worse than the highest bullpen ERA in baseball.

That's an interesting and tempting thought.

Razor Shines
07-05-2006, 01:59 PM
Put him in the bullpen...it absolutely cannot get worse than the highest bullpen ERA in baseball.
Is that a challenge to the FO?

savafan
07-05-2006, 01:59 PM
Would a Larue for Weaver straight up deal be enough to get it done?

Matt700wlw
07-05-2006, 02:00 PM
Is that a challenge to the FO?

Maybe ;)

Jpup
07-05-2006, 02:04 PM
Would a Larue for Weaver straight up deal be enough to get it done?

I would have to believe that the Angels would be very glad to swap players. They have been wanting a veteran catcher all season since Mathis didn't work out. Napoli has been outstanding though. LaRue would probably have to be a backup. It would be very costly for them to eat both salaries, I imagine the Reds would have to, at least, pick up the difference.

redsfan30
07-05-2006, 02:05 PM
How about Weaver revitalizes his career as the Cincinnati Reds closer??

Redus
07-05-2006, 02:09 PM
Id do that deal...change of scenery for both....Weaver would probably get shelled here though.

VI_RedsFan
07-05-2006, 02:09 PM
LaRue for Weaver

Get it done, Wayne...

crazybob60
07-05-2006, 02:12 PM
Imagine if he get back to his Dream Weaver days of Detroit here in Cincy...that would be great. He lost his luster when he moved to the big market teams.....small market is where Weaver works the best in my opinion.

EddieMilner
07-05-2006, 02:15 PM
Detroit = smal market? interesting.

Gallen5862
07-05-2006, 02:18 PM
Larue for Weaver works for me and if we need to throw in Hammond.

flyer85
07-05-2006, 02:21 PM
LaRue for Weaver

Get it done, Wayne...Angels have zero need for Larue, especially with youngsters like Napoli and Mathis.

KronoRed
07-05-2006, 02:22 PM
Detroit = smal market? interesting.

and the Dodgers? ;)

Heath
07-05-2006, 02:22 PM
I think LaRue can get a lot more - but Jeff Weaver in this ball park is really scary. Joe Mays double scary.

RedsManRick
07-05-2006, 02:27 PM
Detroit is the 10th biggest metro area in the US. It should not be considered small market...

Danny Serafini
07-05-2006, 02:28 PM
I'd rather just watch LaRue hit .180 than see Weaver pitch in Cincinnati. No thanks.

crazybob60
07-05-2006, 02:34 PM
Geez....I mess up and it draws all kinda attention....I would try and explain what I was trying to say but I think it would just get taken the wrong way or I wouldn't be able to explain it correctly, so I am just going to leave it at me messing up the wording of my sentence....

RedsManRick
07-05-2006, 02:35 PM
Jeff Weaver is just a touch on this side of Eric Milton. Doesn't miss bats and homer prone. We'd be better off with Arthur Rhodes or similar type reliever.

Jpup
07-05-2006, 02:37 PM
Angels have zero need for Larue, especially with youngsters like Napoli and Mathis.

You haven't followed the Angels much have you? Their manager isn't very high on Mathis after the poor start he had. He's a veteran lover. They only went with Napoli because they didn't have another option at the time.

VI_RedsFan
07-05-2006, 02:38 PM
Angels have zero need for Larue, especially with youngsters like Napoli and Mathis.

Then why do the Angels want a veteran catcher? Look up Mathis' stats and tell me he's ready for the big leagues...

flyer85
07-05-2006, 02:47 PM
They only went with Napoli because they didn't have another option at the time.and he has done pretty well. Looks like he could be the reincarnation of Mickey Tettleton. And he has been as good as David Ross to this point as well. BTW, Napoli has a minor league track record suggesting he is that type of player.

Ross .386 .690 in 113 AB
Napoli .431. .593 in 123 AB

So if you wouldn't take Ross out and replace with Larue why would the Angles take out Napoli and replace with Larue?

flyer85
07-05-2006, 02:47 PM
Then why do the Angels want a veteran catcher? Look up Mathis' stats and tell me he's ready for the big leagues...look at Napoli's stats and tell me why they want to replace him with Larue?

VI_RedsFan
07-05-2006, 02:50 PM
and he has done pretty well. Looks like he could be the reincarnation of Mickey Tettleton. And he has been as good as David Ross to this point as well.

Ross .386 .690 in 113 AB
Napoli .431. .593 in 123 AB

So if you wouldn't take Ross out and replace with Larue why would the Angles take out Napoli and replace with Larue?

Well, then they obvioulsy need a backup to Napoli, and Molina or Mathis aren't that.

VI_RedsFan
07-05-2006, 02:51 PM
look at Napoli's stats and tell me why they want to replace him with Larue?

When did I say Napoli was going to be replaced with LaRue?

Jpup
07-05-2006, 02:57 PM
look at Napoli's stats and tell me why they want to replace him with Larue?

You are not getting the point. The point is that they would probably like to have LaRue to back up Napoli. I am aware of his stats, he has been on my fantasy team since the first week he was called up.

Why wouldn't the Angels want LaRue?

GOREDSGO32
07-05-2006, 02:59 PM
Please .. no more deadbeat pitchers. If we are going to get Weaver, offer Mercker, Weathers, and Yan back ... LOL

flyer85
07-05-2006, 03:09 PM
Well, then they obvioulsy need a backup to Napoli, and Molina or Mathis aren't that.a $5M 30+ something backup in Larue. I would say they will stick with Molina.

red-in-la
07-05-2006, 03:12 PM
Imagine if he get back to his Dream Weaver days of Detroit here in Cincy...that would be great. He lost his luster when he moved to the big market teams.....small market is where Weaver works the best in my opinion.

He lost his luster when his fastball dropped into the mid-80's.

Weaver has been overhyped and over-used where ever he has been. He would have to pass a 4 day long physical before I would acquire him.

flyer85
07-05-2006, 03:13 PM
You are not getting the point. The point is that they would probably like to have LaRue to back up Napoli. I am aware of his stats, he has been on my fantasy team since the first week he was called up.

Why wouldn't the Angels want LaRue?Why don't the Reds want Larue? My guess is probably the same reason the Angels wouldn't. They have an inexpensive excellent catch and throw guy in Jose Molina to use as a backup.

NewEraReds
07-05-2006, 03:19 PM
Id do that deal...change of scenery for both....Weaver would probably get shelled here though.
just dont have him pitch the day after arroyo or the inning after he leaves. i dont know how weaver would do here, probably not good, but it couldnt be good having two guys pitch back to back who both rely on the junk. dont want a team to be used to it ;)

Reverend Doo-Rag
07-05-2006, 03:46 PM
but it couldnt be good having two guys pitch back to back who both rely on the junk. dont want a team to be used to it ;)

And besides, there are too many "long-hairs" on this team already. :)

crazybob60
07-05-2006, 03:57 PM
Didnt Jeff get his cut?

Redsnake
07-05-2006, 04:25 PM
I might be in the minority, but I would rather have Weaver here and back in the NL over Claussen, Wilson and Mays. I know Dodger Stadium is a pitchers park and it helped him. But AL pitchers that go to the NL tend to see there ERA's drop nearly 1 run. Didn't he also have a 20+ quality starts last year? Just get the Angels to pay the bulk of the salary and then take a chance.

I got a idea. Lets just watch the Reds sit on the there hands why the Astros and Cards pull away from us even more. If I recall Phillips and Arroyo weren't overwhelming roster moves among the fans.

Take a chance!!

Handofdeath
07-05-2006, 04:27 PM
I would rather the Reds were targeting his brother.

flyer85
07-05-2006, 04:39 PM
I would rather the Reds were targeting his brother.so would I(which is just wishful thinking), the Reds could have drafted him in 2004.

Jered can flat out pitch. I watched his matchup with King Felix the other night.
Jered throws from a much higher arm slot than Jeff. He was 92-94 with his fastball and had command on both sides of the plate(it was what made him better than the King). He showed an excellent slider/slurve and a good circle change as well. Hopefully someday Homer will be as good. Honestly I saw a guy that will be a #1/#2 starter. Considering what I had read about him I came away far more impressed than I head been lead to believe.

RedLegSuperStar
07-05-2006, 05:05 PM
Why not be interested in a Jeff Weaver? This club is struggling and needs something.. we don't have much help down in AAA. I think if you get Weaver, you can then place Mays in the pen as well as Claussen once he returns. I think those two moving to the bullpen are better options then Weathers and Yan at the moment. Your D*mned if you do and D*amned if you don't. When I say that I mean if the Reds weren't interested in him there would be the complaint that there is a SP out there (which the team needs) and we arn't interested? Or this team always likes the guys who give up flyballs.

Yes you know what you're getting when you get Jeff Weaver, but to be honest with you.. who ever gets him will be getting him for cheap because the Angels are willing to pay his salary and nobody is willing to give up prospects or key players of a team to get him. TOR rejected Hinske for Weaver, and NYM denied LAA who wanted Lastings Milledge for him. LaRue was my first thought when he was released. They can take him and Hammonds as well as a player to be named later along with Cash to pay part of LaRue's contract and foot the bill for Weaver. Either LAA gets nothing in return or they can get something and have someone sign him for the minimum.

OnBaseMachine
07-05-2006, 05:05 PM
so would I(which is just wishful thinking), the Reds could have drafted him in 2004.

Jered can flat out pitch. I watched his matchup with King Felix the other night.
Jered throws from a much higher arm slot than Jeff. He was 92-94 with his fastball and had command on both sides of the plate(it was what made him better than the King). He showed an excellent slider/slurve and a good circle change as well. Hopefully someday Homer will be as good. Honestly I saw a guy that will be a #1/#2 starter. Considering what I had read about him I came away far more impressed than I head been lead to believe.

What impressed me was how the ball just explodes out of his hand. The ball looked like it was coming out of his hand at 102 mph when it was actually only 92-94. I like what I saw in Weaver, he has a nice future ahead of him. With Weaver, Santana, and Lackey all under 27 years old, I would say that rotation will be first-rate over the next five years or so.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2006, 05:20 PM
Jeff Weaver is just a touch on this side of Eric Milton. Doesn't miss bats and homer prone. We'd be better off with Arthur Rhodes or similar type reliever.

I completely agree. I wouldn't touch that stooge with a fungo bat.

schroomytunes
07-05-2006, 05:44 PM
I am all for landing Jeff Weaver, I would offer them Larue straight up for him and pay the rest of Weaver's contract if they take Larue's contract. It works for both teams, it becomes a wash. Then Weaver slides into the 5th spot in the rotation and Mays and Claussen go to long relief. Our staff then looks like-

Starters-Arroyo,Harang,Lizard,Milton,Weaver

Bullpen-Claussen,Coffey,Standridge,Belisle,Weathers,Yan, Mercker

-Shackleford and Mays are the odd men out.

blumj
07-05-2006, 05:47 PM
NYM denied LAA who wanted Lastings Milledge for him.
Excuse me, but, wtf? They DFA the guy, but expect to land a top prospect for him?

GAC
07-05-2006, 07:38 PM
A 3-10 record, 6.29 ERA, 1.52 WHIP.... and an 8.3 Mil/yr salary.

Designated for assignment.


P-A-S-S!

KronoRed
07-05-2006, 07:45 PM
Excuse me, but, wtf? They DFA the guy, but expect to land a top prospect for him?
Remember who the mets gave Kazmir up for? doesn't hurt to ask ;)

Jpup
07-05-2006, 08:06 PM
Excuse me, but, wtf? They DFA the guy, but expect to land a top prospect for him?

welcome to large market baseball. their trash is better than small market trash.

DannyB
07-05-2006, 08:57 PM
No way I would trade for a DFA.If he gets another team to take him, the Angels are still stuck with paying him.

Handofdeath
07-05-2006, 09:09 PM
Yes, I would rather have his brother. But, if the Reds get the Angels to pay part of his salary then I would think the Reds should at least think about it. He might be another Arroyo in that a change of scenery and a less stressful place to play could do wonders. People have been saying for years that Weaver has the potential to be real good. Would you take a #3 to #5 starter with a 14-11 record and a 4.22 ERA like last year for the Dodgers? I would. But only if the Angels pay most of his salary.

MWM
07-05-2006, 09:28 PM
I wouldn't trade Larue for Weaver. I continue to be amazed at how little respect Jason Larue gets from this site.

Handofdeath
07-05-2006, 09:43 PM
I wouldn't trade Larue for Weaver. I continue to be amazed at how little respect Jason Larue gets from this site.

.738 career OPS and led the league in passed balls last season. I'm surprised he gets as much respect as he does.

harangatang
07-05-2006, 09:57 PM
I wouldn't trade Larue for Weaver. I continue to be amazed at how little respect Jason Larue gets from this site.So what's your argument, seems pretty baseless to me. You didn't mention anything he has done good or why you are correct.

Part of LaRue's problem is the fact that the Reds had the greatest catcher of all time in Johhny Bench and no one will able to fill his shoes. But I think someone like Dave Ross can do an adequate job for alot less money for not much less in production. I think PART problem in the past with the pitching staff has been LaRue, but of course there other factors too. If anyone is willing to take on LaRue's contract I would pull the trigger, even if it is someone like Jeff Weaver. I think a change to a smaller market and out of the spotlight would do him alot of good and we sure need the pitching without a doubt.

MWM
07-05-2006, 10:44 PM
Prior to this year, Jason's career OPS was .747 compared to .716 for major league catchers over that same time period. The past three seasons, his OPS was .771 compared to .714 for major league catchers. That spans over 1200 plate appearances compared to barely over 100 this season when he's had some injuries and some bad luck. Over the past three seasons, here's the top 10 OPS'ing catchers:


CAREER
2003-2005
C

OPS OPS
1 Javier Lopez .909
2 Jason Varitek .863
3 Jorge Posada .863
4 Victor Martinez .830
5 Ivan Rodriguez .826
6 Michael Barrett .795
7 Ramon Hernandez .793
8 Mike Lieberthal .790
9 Jason LaRue .771
10 A.J. Pierzynski .761

As for his defense, I think he's clearly a very good defensive catcher. There's a lot more to catching than just passed balls. He's very athletic and gets to balls in front of the plate quicker than most catchers and has a cannon for an arm. And I'm not sure where you got that he led the league in passed balls. He had only 6 last season (FYI, Ross had 5 last year,one less than Larue, in 35 games. In 2004, he had 6 in 67 games) and of catchers that played at least 90 games last season, here's the number of passed balls by catcher:


1 Bengie Molina 10 105
T2 Toby Hall 8 135
T2 Yadier Molina 8 114
T2 Rod Barajas 8 119
T2 Jorge Posada 8 133
T6 Mike Lieberthal 7 117
T6 Miguel Olivo 7 91
T6 A.J. Pierzynski 7 128
T6 Chris Snyder 7 113
T6 Jason Varitek 7 130
T11 Joe Mauer 6 116
T11 Jason LaRue 6 109
T11 Ramon Hernandez 6 97
T14 Gregg Zaun 5 132
T14 Brad Ausmus 5 134
T16 Michael Barrett 4 122
T16 Jason Kendall 4 147
T16 Paul Lo Duca 4 128
T16 Mike Matheny 4 132
T16 Damian Miller 4 111
T16 Jason Phillips 4 93
T16 Ivan Rodriguez 4 123
T23 Mike Piazza 3 101
T23 John Buck 3 117
T23 Brian Schneider 3 113
T23 Victor Martinez 3 142
T27 Johnny Estrada 2 104
T27 Ramon Castro 2 99

So you can see that Larue is in the middle and the difference betwenn him and the lowest passed ball total is 4 passed balls, which likely might make a run difference of one or two.

And Larue was tied for 9th in MLB last year in assists from catchers, even though he played fewer games than anyone else in the top 10.


ASSISTS A G
1 Mike Matheny 77 132
2 Jorge Posada 76 133
T3 Brad Ausmus 66 134
T3 Yadier Molina 66 114
5 Paul Lo Duca 61 128
6 Ivan Rodriguez 60 123
7 Victor Martinez 58 142
8 John Buck 57 117
T9 Jason LaRue 52 109
T9 Brian Schneider 52 113
T9 Jason Kendall 52 147


So yes, I'm still confused as to why he gets such disrespect here. He deserves much better. He's been a very good baseball player for several years now and gives his heart and soul every game he plays. And he has intangibles out the ying yang.

OldXOhio
07-05-2006, 11:00 PM
This just in on BBTN - Weaver traded to STL

JimEdmonds15
07-05-2006, 11:00 PM
FWIW..

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/logo_stl_79x76.jpghttp://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/images/news/pr_header.gif
07/05/2006 10:23 PM ET
Cardinals acquire RHP Jeff Weaver from Angels
Redbirds send Minor Leaguer Terry Evans to the Halos

http://www.covers.com/images/2006/180x180/weaver_jeff060626b.jpg

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 5, 2006 -- The St. Louis Cardinals announced early this evening that they have acquired right-handed pitcher Jeff Weaver and cash considerations from the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in exchange for minor league outfielder Terry Evans. Weaver is expected to join the Cardinals roster this coming weekend in Houston.

Weaver, who will turn 30 in August, was designated for assignment by the Angels last week after going 3-10 with a 6.29 ERA in 16 games. Weaver worked into the 6th inning in 12 of his 16 starts for the Angels this year while compiling 88.2 IP with 62 strikeouts. He made his final start for the Angels on June 27.

The 6-5, 200-pound former number one draft choice (Detroit-1998) has compiled a career mark of 81-97 with a 4.55 ERA in 1484.2 innings pitched. He is just one strikeout shy of 1,000 for his career.

"We feel that Weaver is someone who can come in and lend immediate help and depth to our rotation," said Cardinals' Senior Vice President/General Manager Walt Jocketty. "Tony, (La Russa) and Dave Duncan have studied plenty of video from his starts, and feel that Jeff is still a very capable pitcher."

[Press Release] (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060705&content_id=1541684&vkey=pr_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl)

KronoRed
07-05-2006, 11:06 PM
Better them then us

Heath
07-05-2006, 11:29 PM
Better them then us

I second that.

Newman4
07-06-2006, 08:05 AM
injuries and some bad luck. gives his heart and soul every game he plays. And he has intangibles out the ying yang.

That stuff never justified keeping Casey's huge contract and doesn't justify keeping Larue's either.

Danny Serafini
07-06-2006, 09:22 AM
Classic case of subtraction by addition for the Cards.

OldXOhio
07-06-2006, 09:26 AM
That stuff never justified keeping Casey's huge contract and doesn't justify keeping Larue's either.

Larue is making 3-4 mil/year less than Casey. I'd hardly call Larue's contract "huge", particularly when you consider how favorably he has compared the last few seasons with other catchers in the league. Regardless of what he's done this year, I think he's more than earned his salary.

(one year contract edited out - thanks Jpup)

Jpup
07-06-2006, 09:29 AM
Larue is on a one year contract, making 3-4 million less than Casey.

LaRue's deal is for 2 years.

3.9 million in 2006
5.2 million in 2007

If he is traded after October 15, his 2007 salary jumps to 5.45 million.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051221&content_id=1285691&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

MWM
07-06-2006, 10:33 AM
That stuff never justified keeping Casey's huge contract and doesn't justify keeping Larue's either.

No power, high average hitting players who can play 1B are easy to find (see Hatteberg). Above average offensive AND defensive catchers are not easy to find.

Newman4
07-06-2006, 10:56 AM
That's really nice that Larue done well the last few years. However, it doesn't change the fact that his .180 average and sub .600 OPS this season is horrible. He's had 111 ABs to get out of his "slump". Could it be he's on the downside of his career? He's 32 after all. Regardless, his 3.9 million and 5.2 million are a bad contract thus far.

Newman4
07-06-2006, 10:57 AM
No power, high average hitting players who can play 1B are easy to find (see Hatteberg). Above average offensive AND defensive catchers are not easy to find.

My argument was that intangibles shouldn't be a reason to justify his contract.

MWM
07-06-2006, 11:03 AM
You don't generally regress that dramatically in a year. Again, you're going back to these 111 ABs to completely dismiss a guy who's had a good career and isn't that old. He was injured early and when he came back he hasn't got consistent playing time. I'm not suggesting that Ross shouldn't be the #1 catcher right now. You play the hot hand while he's hot, but I have little doubt that if Laure became the every day catcher again, he would produce much better than his numbers to date show. Over and over it again, it's been proven that major league players can go through stretches where they either seriously underperform or seriously overperform. The tendency a lot of folks have is to assume that this is the way it's always going to be for that player. And alomst without exception, said player ends up reverting to the player they've always been. Every player that's ever came to the Reds and had a good month or two, many fans are ready to anoint them as the future of the franchise. It's a trap I'm not willing to fall into. Maybe it is something more permanent with Larue, but I've not seen any reason to think that's the case. The odds say he's still the same player he was over the last couple of years.

Handofdeath
07-06-2006, 11:55 AM
Prior to this year, Jason's career OPS was .747 compared to .716 for major league catchers over that same time period. The past three seasons, his OPS was .771 compared to .714 for major league catchers. That spans over 1200 plate appearances compared to barely over 100 this season when he's had some injuries and some bad luck. Over the past three seasons, here's the top 10 OPS'ing catchers:


CAREER
2003-2005
C

OPS OPS
1 Javier Lopez .909
2 Jason Varitek .863
3 Jorge Posada .863
4 Victor Martinez .830
5 Ivan Rodriguez .826
6 Michael Barrett .795
7 Ramon Hernandez .793
8 Mike Lieberthal .790
9 Jason LaRue .771
10 A.J. Pierzynski .761

As for his defense, I think he's clearly a very good defensive catcher. There's a lot more to catching than just passed balls. He's very athletic and gets to balls in front of the plate quicker than most catchers and has a cannon for an arm. And I'm not sure where you got that he led the league in passed balls. He had only 6 last season (FYI, Ross had 5 last year,one less than Larue, in 35 games. In 2004, he had 6 in 67 games) and of catchers that played at least 90 games last season, here's the number of passed balls by catcher:


1 Bengie Molina 10 105
T2 Toby Hall 8 135
T2 Yadier Molina 8 114
T2 Rod Barajas 8 119
T2 Jorge Posada 8 133
T6 Mike Lieberthal 7 117
T6 Miguel Olivo 7 91
T6 A.J. Pierzynski 7 128
T6 Chris Snyder 7 113
T6 Jason Varitek 7 130
T11 Joe Mauer 6 116
T11 Jason LaRue 6 109
T11 Ramon Hernandez 6 97
T14 Gregg Zaun 5 132
T14 Brad Ausmus 5 134
T16 Michael Barrett 4 122
T16 Jason Kendall 4 147
T16 Paul Lo Duca 4 128
T16 Mike Matheny 4 132
T16 Damian Miller 4 111
T16 Jason Phillips 4 93
T16 Ivan Rodriguez 4 123
T23 Mike Piazza 3 101
T23 John Buck 3 117
T23 Brian Schneider 3 113
T23 Victor Martinez 3 142
T27 Johnny Estrada 2 104
T27 Ramon Castro 2 99

So you can see that Larue is in the middle and the difference betwenn him and the lowest passed ball total is 4 passed balls, which likely might make a run difference of one or two.

And Larue was tied for 9th in MLB last year in assists from catchers, even though he played fewer games than anyone else in the top 10.


ASSISTS A G
1 Mike Matheny 77 132
2 Jorge Posada 76 133
T3 Brad Ausmus 66 134
T3 Yadier Molina 66 114
5 Paul Lo Duca 61 128
6 Ivan Rodriguez 60 123
7 Victor Martinez 58 142
8 John Buck 57 117
T9 Jason LaRue 52 109
T9 Brian Schneider 52 113
T9 Jason Kendall 52 147


So yes, I'm still confused as to why he gets such disrespect here. He deserves much better. He's been a very good baseball player for several years now and gives his heart and soul every game he plays. And he has intangibles out the ying yang.

I got my info from Fox Sports on the passed balls. According to them it was 15. But it turns out that the season was 2004. My bad. But all you've shown with your statistics is that Larue is an average catcher. A 32 year old average catcher. It does not justify paying him 5 million next year.