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Redus
07-05-2006, 05:18 PM
These guys are getting closer to returning. Im sure they could be had pretty cheap. I think theyd be pretty good targets for us. Thoughts?:beerme:

crazybob60
07-05-2006, 05:28 PM
Even though he has struggled the past year with a various number of things, I personally would love to see Foulke in a Reds uniform.

Red Leader
07-05-2006, 05:43 PM
There was talk earlier this year that Foulke's career may be over and that he would never be 100% again. With that being the case, I'd rather stay away from him.

flyer85
07-05-2006, 05:45 PM
There was talk earlier this year that Foulke's career may be over and that he would never be 100% again.One pitcher with serious knee issues is one too many. Pass on Foulke.

Johnny Footstool
07-05-2006, 05:50 PM
MacDougal is marginal, but would be an upgrade to the current bullpen. He'd have to come cheap -- very cheap.

flyer85
07-05-2006, 05:51 PM
MacDougal is marginal, but would be an upgrade to the current bullpen. I'd rather have Affeldt.

Handofdeath
07-05-2006, 06:05 PM
If Foulke was healthy and cheap, I would take him. But he's neither. I think this year he's due over 7 million. Macdougal has never been that good at any level and I'm a Royals fan.

flyer85
07-05-2006, 06:09 PM
Macdougal has never that good at any level nor healthy for very long

Falls City Beer
07-05-2006, 06:18 PM
I'd rather have Affeldt.

I'm not doubting that you have a reason for this, but there is NOTHING in his profile to suggest he'll be any good either. Is this another of those LOOGY arguments?

boognish
07-05-2006, 07:18 PM
Unfortunately, the Reds are in a position where they will have to look "outside the box" because quality BP arms will be at a premium; it is a seller's market this season, and we would have to give too much. At this point, though, I think most of us would accept a league-average 7th inning guy as a marked improvement.

Maybe Affeldt would be worth a long look (at least there is a possibility he will peak), but Weaver is finished...his HR rate has exploded the last two seasons. We don't want to be in a position to be looking at him unless the bidding level doesn't exceed Joe Mays.

RedsManRick
07-05-2006, 07:53 PM
Is this like "Hell or high water"? I'll take option c.)

flyer85
07-05-2006, 08:24 PM
I'm not doubting that you have a reason for this, but there is NOTHING in his profile to suggest he'll be any good either. Is this another of those LOOGY arguments?nope just that he is still young and has nasty stuff. As opposed to our bullpen which is old with no stuff. I'll take a stuff guy and hope he develops.

I'm just one who thinks Affeldt will eventually figure it out.

Handofdeath
07-05-2006, 08:43 PM
nope just that he is still young and has nasty stuff. As opposed to our bullpen which is old with no stuff. I'll take a stuff guy and hope he develops.

I'm just one who thinks Affeldt will eventually figure it out.

Outside of Rookie League he's never had an ERA under 3.50 anywhere. Effective pitchers don't just "figure it out." He's a mediocre pitcher and always will be. He also pulls his groin about twice a season.

flyer85
07-05-2006, 09:24 PM
Effective pitchers don't just "figure it out." Bronson Arroyo waves hi. He didn't figure it out until in AAA at 26.

Falls City Beer
07-05-2006, 09:37 PM
Bronson Arroyo waves hi. He didn't figure it out until in AAA at 26.

I don't mind taking a chance on Affeldt, but the thing is that Moore is now the GM, and he's probably not going to give him away--which is the kind of deal I'd want to get Affeldt in: a giveaway deal. I wouldn't want to waste anything by way of trading chips on such a severe gamble as Affeldt.

Rojo
07-05-2006, 10:11 PM
I don't mind taking a chance on Affeldt, but the thing is that Moore is now the GM, and he's probably not going to give him away.

Somebody gave Brandon Phillips away.

Razor Shines
07-05-2006, 10:22 PM
Redus, not trying to be a jerk, but have you ever thought of changing your signature to something like: "Hunting for another Red October"? Of course I am new on this board and that maybe very old and used, if so I apologize.

Redus
07-06-2006, 09:38 AM
Redus, not trying to be a jerk, but have you ever thought of changing your signature to something like: "Hunting for another Red October"? Of course I am new on this board and that maybe very old and used, if so I apologize.

I was afraid Sean Connery would kick my arse for stealing his title

15fan
07-06-2006, 11:21 AM
Macdougal has never been that good at any level and I'm a Royals fan.

Psst.

At the 2003 All-Star break, MacDougal had a 2.59 ERA and 24 saves in approximately 40 innings of work.

That's not bad for a guy who had logged a grand total 24.1 innings of MLB work prior to the 2003 season. In fact, it was good enough to make him the Royals' 2003 AS rep.

flyer85
07-06-2006, 12:37 PM
Psst.

At the 2003 All-Star break, MacDougal had a 2.59 ERA and 24 saves in approximately 40 innings of work.Psst ... Joe Mays won 17 games with a 3.16 ERA in 2001

Handofdeath
07-06-2006, 01:08 PM
Psst.

At the 2003 All-Star break, MacDougal had a 2.59 ERA and 24 saves in approximately 40 innings of work.

That's not bad for a guy who had logged a grand total 24.1 innings of MLB work prior to the 2003 season. In fact, it was good enough to make him the Royals' 2003 AS rep.

Yes and he proceeded to have a 6.85 ERA with 3 saves the rest of the season.