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Johnny Footstool
07-07-2006, 11:46 AM
Wayne Krivsky covets ex-Twins like Cookie Monster covets Oreos. Joe Mays, Juan Castro, and now Eddie Guardado have been fitted for Reds unis thusfar. Rumor has it Jack Morris and Bert Blyleven have started stretching and playing long-toss.

So who is Wayne's next target? I'm betting it's Mark Redman.

Excuse me..."All-Star" Mark Redman, the lone KC Royal going to Pittsburgh next week. :laugh:

Redman is ex-Twin whose exceedingly mediocre career (excluding his one good season in the Florida Pitcher's Paradise resort) has pretty much made him the embodiment of the term "Fourth Starter", but whose left-handedness and one good season keep getting him work. He's currently toiling under a relatively cheap ($2 mil or so remaining) one-year contract for the worst organization on the face of the planet.

Is he a good pitcher? No. But he's one of those BTWWH (better than what we have) guys who represents a slight upgrade for many teams.

The guy practically screams "deadline deal," but knowing Wayne K, I think Redman is definitely on the early shopping list. Unfortunately, that ridiculous "All-Star" selection will drive up the price somewhat.

So who does Wayne give up to get Redman?

Do the Royals bite for Justin Germano plus a lower-level prospect?

membengal
07-07-2006, 11:47 AM
I've got money on him going after Butch Wynegar. This team needs a 4th catcher, and Wynegar can fill the "uber-vet" role, as he has been retired for about two decades.

Jpup
07-07-2006, 11:52 AM
Scott Erickson is available.;)

M2
07-07-2006, 11:57 AM
I say the Reds bring Scott (Princess) Leius out of retirement.

registerthis
07-07-2006, 11:58 AM
Where's Rob Murphy when you need him?

Strikes Out Looking
07-07-2006, 11:59 AM
Tim Laudner will be our next backup catcher. His wife's family is from the Cincy area.

Big Klu
07-07-2006, 12:00 PM
Scott Erickson is available.;)

As long as Mrs. Erickson becomes a fixture at Reds home games! ;)

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(Yeah...Lisa Guerrero!)

NJReds
07-07-2006, 12:08 PM
He can kill two birds (ex-Twin, ex-Red) with one stone by acquiring Hector Carrasco.

I wonder what Rick Reed is up to these days?

captainmorgan07
07-07-2006, 12:09 PM
hey redman did get a win last nite

Red Leader
07-07-2006, 12:19 PM
All jokes aside, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Redman dealt to the Reds, and actually, at this point, I don't see what it would hurt. Anything is an improvement over Joe freaking Mays.

Having said that, I doubt a move would be made until after the All-Star break since Redman made the all star team. I'd probably start looking for the acquisition shortly after play begins in the 2nd half. Like next Thursday.

CrackerJack
07-07-2006, 12:19 PM
the problem is anyone with a pulse is better in the BP than what the Reds have, and there are too many choices...

marcshoe
07-07-2006, 12:32 PM
Over the winter, I was listening to the Pirates' "official" baseball guys on KDKA when Redman's name came up. I have never heard announcers immediately spew such venom about a former member of their team. They called the day that he was traded the most important day it the Pirates' off-season, and went on at length about Redman's ego and how bad of a clubhouse guy he was.

No idea as to how accurate all this was, but I was more than a little surprised to hear it said so directly.

Johnny Footstool
07-07-2006, 12:38 PM
Over the winter, I was listening to the Pirates' "official" baseball guys on KDKA when Redman's name came up. I have never heard announcers immediately spew such venom about a former member of their team. They called the day that he was traded the most important day it the Pirates' off-season, and went on at length about Redman's ego and how bad of a clubhouse guy he was.

No idea as to how accurate all this was, but I was more than a little surprised to hear it said so directly.

If it's true, that might be the thing that prevents Krivsky from acquiring him. Wayne would be very familiar with Redman's personality and might have already slapped a "Milo" on him.

marcshoe
07-07-2006, 12:41 PM
Who knows if it's even true? he could have simply refused an interview when he was in a bad mood or some such thing. All sorts of things can get you out of sorts when you're in the middle of a 15-loss season with a terrible team.

knuckler
07-07-2006, 02:16 PM
Before realizing the Twin connection, I assumed the thread would be about cornering the market on extreme fly-ball pitchers! Heck, we've got Milton, Claussen, and now Guardado closing. It's (almost) enough to make a guy long for the return of Jimmy Anderson. :help:

PuffyPig
07-07-2006, 02:28 PM
The bad about Mark Redman is obvious.

The good about Mark Redman is that he's 6-0, with an ERA below 4 in his last 7 starts. He's also, in the last 2 years, become a ground ball pitcher. And he's better than some of our current pitchers.

oregonred
07-07-2006, 02:40 PM
Over the winter, I was listening to the Pirates' "official" baseball guys on KDKA when Redman's name came up. I have never heard announcers immediately spew such venom about a former member of their team. They called the day that he was traded the most important day it the Pirates' off-season, and went on at length about Redman's ego and how bad of a clubhouse guy he was.

No idea as to how accurate all this was, but I was more than a little surprised to hear it said so directly.

Yeah, a huge day for the Pirate juggernaut. Good thing they moved him to improve the clubhouse atmosphere. Otehrwise, they might be sitting in last place and 28 games under .500 by the AS Break or something like that...

KronoRed
07-07-2006, 03:19 PM
Depends on what we give up for him, if it's not much..why not? heck they can have Mays back :D

Spitball
07-07-2006, 03:49 PM
Redman had decent seasons in 2003 and in 2004 when he was with good teams, Marlins and A's. He was horrible with with bad teams in Detroit and Pittsburgh.

For June and July, he has been 6-0 with an ERA around 4.00. In 38.2 innings, he has also given up 40 hits, 5 homeruns, 59 ground balls, and 44 fly balls. The kicker, or scary part, is he has walked 14 but struck out only 13 batters!

I don't know, with the walk to K ratio and his recent success, he is likely just fools' gold. If the KC front office has a lick of sense, they'd try to get a few teams excited before the pumpkin materializes and make a trade with the most desperate team.

marcshoe
07-07-2006, 03:52 PM
Yeah, a huge day for the Pirate juggernaut. Good thing they moved him to improve the clubhouse atmosphere. Otehrwise, they might be sitting in last place and 28 games under .500 by the AS Break or something like that...

There was a lot of that on the broadcast. Talk about how Casey and players like him would improve the atmosphere. It all led to talk of how the Pirates would contend this year.

I listened to several weeks of the Wednesday night show. As it went along, the announcers, one in particular whose name escapes me (not Lanny Frattare or one of the ex-players) kept saying he was sure the Pirates would contend. They had one of the best young staffs and absolutely the best bullpen in the league, he says. Right before the season, in a broadcast from the stadium in Pittsburgh, he was interviewing some local celebrity and spewing the optimism, and the celeb responded by saying, "If this team has a winning record, I'll walk to Philadelphia."

Johnny Footstool
07-07-2006, 03:59 PM
2003 was his one good year. 2004 with the A's was pretty bad in terms of peripherals -- 191 IP, only 101 K's, 1.50 WHIP, 4.71 ERA. His 2002 season with Detroit was actually better than 2004.

M2
07-07-2006, 04:54 PM
To Redman's credit, he was the model of league-average pitcher from 2000-2004, with, as Johnny noted, a career year in 2003.

Jeff Suppan had a similar run from 1999-2005, with his career year coming last season.

Probably is, when a guy like that goes south it can get ugly.

Johnny Footstool
07-07-2006, 05:51 PM
Problem is, when a guy like that goes south it can get ugly.

Low strikeout rates are a good indicator. Guys like Suppan and Redman can have success, but it's mostly due to BABIP, which is a dicey way to earn a living. When they stop getting lucky, their numbers flop. Jon Garland is learning that this season.

The term "journeymen" fits these guys like it fits Steve Perry, Steve Smith, and Neil Schon.

PuffyPig
07-07-2006, 06:12 PM
The term "journeymen" fits these guys like it fits Steve Perry, Steve Smith, and Neil Schon.

What, no love for Johnathan Cain?

M2
07-07-2006, 07:34 PM
Low strikeout rates are a good indicator. Guys like Suppan and Redman can have success, but it's mostly due to BABIP, which is a dicey way to earn a living. When they stop getting lucky, their numbers flop. Jon Garland is learning that this season.

The term "journeymen" fits these guys like it fits Steve Perry, Steve Smith, and Neil Schon.

Nah, you don't get lucky five years in a row (Redman) or seven (Suppan). More to the point, Redman and Suppan weren't particularly lucky in those seasons. They really were what the league average looked like. You could pretty much set your league average clock by them.

If Garland can shave 0.80 off his ERA before the end of the season, he'll pretty much be back to league average, making him the new-model Suppan.