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danforsman
07-10-2006, 10:53 AM
I feel dirty posting a hypothetical trade thread, but after hearing people down here in Houston mention getting Gordon from the Phils and possibly dangling Ensberg for him, it made me think about the Reds' situation. Would you deal Encarnacion to Philly for Gordon, move Lopez to 3B and play either Olmedo at SS or move Phillips to SS and play Olmedo/Aurilia/Freel at 2B? I really would hate to see Encarnacion moved, but a top-notch closer would certainly be an asset that St. Louis and Houston currently do not have.

pahster
07-10-2006, 10:59 AM
Encarnacion is 23. Gordon is like 50. No.

And if Houston trades Ensberg for Gordon they deserve to lose every game for the next ten years.

flyer85
07-10-2006, 11:07 AM
No because Gordon does not put this team over the top.

Johnny Footstool
07-10-2006, 11:16 AM
No.

Make it Joe Nathan and I'd consider it.

Make it K-Rod and it's a done deal.

Heath
07-10-2006, 11:16 AM
Why have Gordon when we already have Guardado.

Stewie
07-10-2006, 11:50 AM
I would love to see that deal done.

RedsManRick
07-10-2006, 12:10 PM
As Arroyo comes back down to earth, we're going to realize that the bullpen isn't the only area that still needs help. Trading a young 3B with good range and .900 OPS potential for a good, but old and expensive closer would not be progress in the way we need it. If everything goes well with this squad, we have an outside shot at 88-90 wins.

This bullpen doesn't need 1 great arm so much as it needs about 3 good ones. We're blowing more saves in the 7th inning than we are in the 9th.

reds44
07-10-2006, 12:19 PM
Nope.

flyer85
07-10-2006, 12:27 PM
As Arroyo comes back down to earth, we're going to realize that the bullpen isn't the only area that still needs help. Trading a young 3B with good range and .900 OPS potential for a good, but old and expensive closer would not be progress in the way we need it. If everything goes well with this squad, we have an outside shot at 88-90 wins.

This bullpen doesn't need 1 great arm so much as it needs about 3 good ones. We're blowing more saves in the 7th inning than we are in the 9th.The Reds need a lot more than Gordon to remain competetive ... and trading EE for less than that would be foolish and shortsighted.

danforsman
07-10-2006, 12:55 PM
I agree. I would not trade EE for Gordon, but if I'm Houston, I'd consider moving Ensberg for Gordon. With Pettitte and Clemens in their respective last years and Lamb available to play 3B, I think that move makes more sense for them.

OnBaseMachine
07-10-2006, 12:59 PM
Encarnacion for Tom Gordon? Hell no.

If I trade Edwin Encarnacion, I want Dontrelle Willis or someone like that coming back my way. 23 year old 3B with great range and .900+ OPS potential just don't grow on trees.

Joseph
07-10-2006, 01:00 PM
I agree. I would not trade EE for Gordon, but if I'm Houston, I'd consider moving Ensberg for Gordon. With Pettitte and Clemens in their respective last years and Lamb available to play 3B, I think that move makes more sense for them.

Plus it helps us :)

RedsManRick
07-10-2006, 01:18 PM
Wheeler, Gordon, Lidge would not be a fun bullpen to face in the playoffs...

reds44
07-10-2006, 01:23 PM
Wheeler, Gordon, Lidge would not be a fun bullpen to face in the playoffs...
Lidge?

Lidge is bad.

RedsBaron
07-10-2006, 01:28 PM
No. Nope. Nyet. No way. Nein. Negative.

Johnny Footstool
07-10-2006, 02:36 PM
Lidge?

Lidge is bad.

:laugh:

Lidge is a world-class closer having an absolutely miserable season. I'm willing to bet his second-half numbers end up being pretty good.

Jpup
07-10-2006, 02:40 PM
Lidge?

Lidge is bad.

I'd take him in a second.

KronoRed
07-10-2006, 02:47 PM
No thanks.

I'd say no to any EE for relief pitcher deal

WMR
07-10-2006, 03:14 PM
No thanks.

I'd say no to any EE for relief pitcher deal

Francisco Rodriguez?

I might have to do that one.

reds44
07-10-2006, 03:21 PM
:laugh:

Lidge is a world-class closer having an absolutely miserable season. I'm willing to bet his second-half numbers end up being pretty good.
Not anymore he's not. His head is messed up.

Tornon
07-10-2006, 03:24 PM
Not anymore he's not. His head is messed up.

He's tipping his pitches :p:

KronoRed
07-10-2006, 03:33 PM
Francisco Rodriguez?

I might have to do that one.
He's one of the few I'd think about, but really..a MR for a 23 year old MLB ready 3rd baseman?

Still can't do it.

flyer85
07-10-2006, 03:38 PM
He's one of the few I'd think about, but really..a MR for a 23 year old MLB ready 3rd baseman?

Still can't do it.or any reliever. Why give up a potential All Star and a guy that can play ~1500 innings a year for a pitcher that will throw 70-80?

RedsManRick
07-10-2006, 03:51 PM
He's one of the few I'd think about, but really..a MR for a 23 year old MLB ready 3rd baseman?

Still can't do it.

MR = Middle Reliever? Surely you don't think he's a middle reliever.

37.1 IP, 47 Ks, 2.89 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 21 SV

He's a top 5 closer

KronoRed
07-10-2006, 04:11 PM
A closer is just another relief pitcher, still not gonna do that deal.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2006, 04:18 PM
Not anymore he's not. His head is messed up.

I agree completely.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2006, 04:19 PM
I'd trade EE for KRod. But it's a silly proposition because the Angels wouldn't.

RedsManRick
07-10-2006, 04:26 PM
I didn't say I'd do the deal Krono, just saying that Frankie Rodriguez isn't just any reliever.

Guacarock
07-10-2006, 04:27 PM
No, I wouldn't make that deal unless:
A. I was being held at gunpoint.
B. Someone had whomped me upside of the head with a Yahoo bottle.
C. Heidi Klum personally begged me to make the trade, promising to clear her calendar for me at least once a week and to supply me with the private cell phone numbers of her model friends to pad out the rest of the week.
D. I was secretly an android, disguised as a Reds GM, but actually doing the evil biding of the Phillies.

Marc D
07-10-2006, 05:44 PM
I would trade EE for a young ML proven front line starter. To trade him for an old reliever, effective or not, would be the height of folly.

RedLegSuperStar
07-10-2006, 06:13 PM
No Way.. If Houston wants to give up Ensberg they are nuts.. and let them do so. I'd only trade Edwin for Starting Pitching or purhaps part of a combo of Reds to try to obtain a Miguel Cabrera.

RBA
07-10-2006, 06:34 PM
Might as well go ahead and trade him for Rick Ankiel. EE for an old reliever is just nuts.

schroomytunes
07-10-2006, 06:50 PM
I see a larry andersen for jeff bagwell trade all over again if this deal is made...no way fellas! come on be realistic

reds44
07-10-2006, 06:59 PM
I think sometimes people on this board really undervalue Edwin. We better get a Dontrelle Willis type young pitcher if we trade him. No relievers on their last leg.

wheels
07-10-2006, 08:02 PM
Channeling Jame "Wild Bill" Gumb.


"Would you."

Marc D
07-10-2006, 08:03 PM
Channeling Jame "Wild Bill" Gumb.


"Would you."

Whole new meaning to the "tuck rule" there.

KronoRed
07-10-2006, 08:12 PM
EE is the new Dunn

MrCinatit
07-10-2006, 08:28 PM
Oh heck yeah, I would...if I were Dan O'Brien.
Since I am not, pass.

Falls City Beer
07-10-2006, 08:30 PM
Channeling Jame "Wild Bill" Gumb.


"Would you."

Goodbye, horses.

wheels
07-10-2006, 09:27 PM
Is Edwin a great big fat person?

"It puts the lotion on it's skin..."