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kheidg-
07-12-2006, 12:35 PM
This from rotoworld


LaTroy Hawkins - R - Orioles


The Colorado Rockies have interest in trading for Orioles' reliever LaTroy Hawkins.
Hawkins would give the Rockies a solid option before All-Star closer Brian Fuentes. Talks between the two teams reportedly haven't gotten serious yet, but they are bound to heat up prior to the July 31 trading deadline. Jul. 12 - 8:27 am et

Wonder what it would cost the Reds for Hawkins? He, afterall, is another former Minnesota Twin. I'm guessing he could be had for a prospect about as good as Chick.

Krusty
07-12-2006, 12:36 PM
This from rotoworld


Wonder what it would cost the Reds for Hawkins? He, afterall, is another former Minnesota Twin. I'm guessing he could be had for a prospect about as good as Chick.

I thought Jose Mesa was the setup man for the Rockies?

Red Leader
07-12-2006, 12:51 PM
I thought Jose Mesa was the setup man for the Rockies?

So did Jose Mesa. :laugh:

Spitball
07-12-2006, 01:18 PM
Mesa=Hawkins or Hawkins=Mesa. Geesh! I hope the Reds don't go near either one.:thumbdown

RedFanAlways1966
07-12-2006, 02:13 PM
Mesa=Hawkins or Hawkins=Mesa. Geesh! I hope the Reds don't go near either one.:thumbdown

I am with you. Reclamation projects in Cincy... I was hoping that was a thing of the past. Mays, Guardardo... no mas!

Marc D
07-12-2006, 02:49 PM
Hawkins for '06: 37 IP 45H 18R 9BB 14K 4.38 ERA plus he's due 3.5 M this year.

Thats essentially Weathers/Mercker/Belisle territory for a lot more money.

The only way I'm ok with it is if we take on his contract for a nothing prospect. Not even a Chick caliber player should be dealt for him imo.

membengal
07-12-2006, 02:53 PM
Former Twin! Sweet!

Red Leader
07-12-2006, 02:56 PM
He'd make a great setup man for Eddie Guardado....


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kheidg-
07-12-2006, 03:51 PM
Hawkins for '06: 37 IP 45H 18R 9BB 14K 4.38 ERA plus he's due 3.5 M this year.

Thats essentially Weathers/Mercker/Belisle territory for a lot more money.

The only way I'm ok with it is if we take on his contract for a nothing prospect. Not even a Chick caliber player should be dealt for him imo.

Well, IMO he'd definitely improve our bullpen. The guy was lights out from 02-04 and wasn't bad last year for the Giants. Adding Hawkins and getting rid of Mays or Yan would be a huge improvement.

The_jbh
07-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Well, IMO he'd definitely improve our bullpen. The guy was lights out from 02-04 and wasn't bad last year for the Giants. Adding Hawkins and getting rid of Mays or Yan would be a huge improvement.


I'm with you... I think he could help our pen significantly. Weathers cant even keep the ball in the park ne more, his era is only going up. I wouldnt give a Pelland type prospect for him but a mediocore prospect and about a mil from the O's would be worth a shot

Ravenlord
07-12-2006, 04:14 PM
all i'm going to say about it is 3.41 K/9.

KronoRed
07-12-2006, 05:07 PM
If he's cheap why not?

redsandrails
07-12-2006, 05:10 PM
I wouldn't even give up a Pelland/Chick type. He is overpaid and I think a free agent too. I'd let him go for a Ray Olmedo/Bergolla type but not a top 10 prospect.

Johnny Footstool
07-12-2006, 05:11 PM
all i'm going to say about it is 3.41 K/9.

That's really all that needs to be said.

Doc. Scott
07-12-2006, 07:01 PM
I think most people here would give up Olmedo or Bergolla for Hawkins. I think I would. And I like both of those two.

Rojo
07-12-2006, 08:08 PM
Pass

kheidg-
07-12-2006, 08:43 PM
all i'm going to say about it is 3.41 K/9.

But I only see that increasing being that he has averaged 6-8 throughout all his other seasons as a reliever in the major leagues.

Ravenlord
07-12-2006, 10:25 PM
But I only see that increasing being that he has averaged 6-8 throughout all his other seasons as a reliever in the major leagues.
he was also between the ages of 27 and 32 when he did that...not 33 with a 1.46 WHIP. he also has just 1 strike out in his last 13 appearences (12 IP) with a 5.25 ERA.

boobhat
07-13-2006, 12:28 AM
i would trade joe mays and a letter of apology to the orioles for hawkins and maybe throw in an autographed jersey of rolando roomes, what a bah-gain

kheidg-
07-13-2006, 02:34 AM
he was also between the ages of 27 and 32 when he did that...not 33 with a 1.46 WHIP. he also has just 1 strike out in his last 13 appearences (12 IP) with a 5.25 ERA.

You are acting like 33 is ancient. It's not like we are throwing a 40 year old Chris Hammond out there.

No matter what way you look at it, he is an improvement over half of our bullpen and could be easily had. He's had lots of success in the past and as long as we are going to pile up old Twins players - he might as well be the next.

Ravenlord
07-13-2006, 03:07 AM
You are acting like 33 is ancient. It's not like we are throwing a 40 year old Chris Hammond out there.

No matter what way you look at it, he is an improvement over half of our bullpen and could be easily had. He's had lots of success in the past and as long as we are going to pile up old Twins players - he might as well be the next.

i don't like this idea of accepting crap players just because they're slightly better than our current crap players. that's how you end up in the state the Reds have been in for the last 6 years.

kheidg-
07-13-2006, 03:23 AM
i don't like this idea of accepting crap players just because they're slightly better than our current crap players. that's how you end up in the state the Reds have been in for the last 6 years.

I guess we differ on our definition of "crap players". Mays = crap; Yan = crap; Hawkins = major league reliever.

REDREAD
07-13-2006, 10:15 AM
I wouldn't mind adding Hawkins at all.

The problem is that we are forced to accept guys that are just a bit better than what we have, unless we are willing to trade Kearns or Homer for a true stud reliever (and no one wants to do that). Great relievers are insanely expensive this time of year.

Add Hawkins and ditch Mays and the team has improved. As someone else said, if we can get him for Bergollia, why not?

Krusty
07-13-2006, 10:20 AM
If you can get Hawkins for either Bergolla or Olmedo, make the trade.

registerthis
07-13-2006, 10:26 AM
The problem is that we are forced to accept guys that are just a bit better than what we have, unless we are willing to trade Kearns or Homer for a true stud reliever (and no one wants to do that). Great relievers are insanely expensive this time of year.

Yep. I don't think anyone wants to mortgage the farm for Trevor Hoffman. (Tuesday's performance notwithstanding)

Johnny Footstool
07-13-2006, 12:01 PM
I guess we differ on our definition of "crap players". Mays = crap; Yan = crap; Hawkins = major league reliever.

Major league relievers with a K/9 less than 4 are crap.

Hawkins has been in decline for the past few seasons. He's using smoke and mirrors this year.

I guess many of you are willing to take a chance on Hawkins based on his reputation. Well, Chris Hammond had a good reputation, too. How'd that work out?

Let the Rockies or some other team bet on that horse. The Reds should look for something better.

kheidg-
07-13-2006, 01:00 PM
Major league relievers with a K/9 less than 4 are crap.

Hawkins has been in decline for the past few seasons. He's using smoke and mirrors this year.

I guess many of you are willing to take a chance on Hawkins based on his reputation. Well, Chris Hammond had a good reputation, too. How'd that work out?



Hawkins = 33 years old; Hammond = 40 years old. Hawkins = 95 MPH fastball; Hammond = 65 MPH fastball. Need I say more?

registerthis
07-13-2006, 03:06 PM
Hawkins = 33 years old; Hammond = 40 years old. Hawkins = 95 MPH fastball; Hammond = 65 MPH fastball. Need I say more?

Hawkins WHIP: 1.48

Hammond WHIP: 1.43

KronoRed
07-13-2006, 03:59 PM
Hawkins WHIP: 1.48

Hammond WHIP: 1.43
Yikes :help:

Johnny Footstool
07-13-2006, 04:33 PM
Hawkins = 33 years old; Hammond = 40 years old. Hawkins = 95 MPH fastball; Hammond = 65 MPH fastball. Need I say more?

Hawkins is indeed 33 years old, and Hammond is 40. At least you got those numbers right.

As for the imaginary MPH you attached to their fastballs, well, if Hawkins' fastball is clocking 95 and he still can't strike anybody out, what good is he?

More likely, Hawkins' fastball is down to about 90, which is only about 8 MPH faster than Hammond's top speed (low 80's).

Ravenlord
07-13-2006, 07:23 PM
More likely, Hawkins' fastball is down to about 90, which is only about 8 MPH faster than Hammond's top speed (low 80's).
don't know how Hawkins' fastball is this year, but when he was with the Cubs last year he was consistanly 91-92 MPH, and 95 MPH when he threw the rare four-seamer to a left handed hitter.

Johnny Footstool
07-13-2006, 08:47 PM
don't know how Hawkins' fastball is this year, but when he was with the Cubs last year he was consistanly 91-92 MPH, and 95 MPH when he threw the rare four-seamer to a left handed hitter.

He also struck out more than 4 batters per 9 innings last year.

I'm betting his velocity is way down this year.