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Matt700wlw
07-14-2006, 04:26 PM
To make room on the roster for RHP Gary Majewski, LHP Bill Bray and SS Royce Clayton, the Reds today designated for assignment RHP Esteban Yan, optioned to Louisville IF William Bergolla and placed RHP Matt Belisle on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to July 10, with a strained lower back.

Additionally, today the Reds claimed off waivers from the Nationals and optioned to Louisville OF Brandon Watson.

Watson started the season with the Nationals and appeared in 9 games…on 4/13 he was optioned to Class AAA New Orleans, where in 21 games he hit .305 with 11 runs, 13 RBI and 2 stolen bases…from 5/27-7/9 he was on New Orleans’ disabled list with a dislocated left shoulder.

Watson has 165 stolen bases in 8 minor league seasons. He is the godson of 2-time National League All-Star and Reds Hall of Famer OF Eric Davis.

Matt700wlw
07-14-2006, 04:28 PM
Somehow Jason Standridge kept his job....

LincolnparkRed
07-14-2006, 04:30 PM
Somehow Jason Standridge kept his job....

my thoughts exactly, I guess the thinking is that you know what you get with Yan which is mediocre while Standridge could actually improve especially after last night.

reds44
07-14-2006, 04:30 PM
Watson was an excellent pickup!

Yan and Bergolla are no surprise, Belisle's back is going to be a problem for years to come.

reds44
07-14-2006, 04:30 PM
my thoughts exactly, I guess the thinking is that you know what you get with Yan which is mediocre while Standridge could actually improve especially after last night.
He'll be gone on Sunday.

registerthis
07-14-2006, 04:32 PM
Watson was an excellent pickup!

Minor league fodder.

CTA513
07-14-2006, 04:34 PM
Additionally, today the Reds claimed off waivers from the Nationals and optioned to Louisville OF Brandon Watson.

Watson started the season with the Nationals and appeared in 9 games…on 4/13 he was optioned to Class AAA New Orleans, where in 21 games he hit .305 with 11 runs, 13 RBI and 2 stolen bases…from 5/27-7/9 he was on New Orleans’ disabled list with a dislocated left shoulder.

Watson has 165 stolen bases in 8 minor league seasons. He is the godson of 2-time National League All-Star and Reds Hall of Famer OF Eric Davis.

Do the Reds have to trade the Nationals a player for Watson?

LincolnparkRed
07-14-2006, 04:37 PM
He'll be gone on Sunday.

what happens on Sunday? Someone coming up??

johngalt
07-14-2006, 04:37 PM
He'll be gone on Sunday.

Doubt it. They'll probably drop a position player to get back to 12 pitchers.

reds44
07-14-2006, 04:38 PM
what happens on Sunday? Someone coming up??
Have to make room for Elizardo coming back up.

reds44
07-14-2006, 04:38 PM
Doubt it. They'll probably drop a position player to get back to 12 pitchers.
Like who?

Wise would be the only option I guess.

Matt700wlw
07-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Like who?

Wise would be the only option I guess.

Denorfia.


Ok, bad joke. :evil:

vaticanplum
07-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Do the Reds know that there are other teams in baseball than the Nationals? And do they know that the Nationals aren't really regarded as an A+ organization?

Buckeye33
07-14-2006, 04:45 PM
Watson was an excellent pickup!

He is simply picked up to replace Denorfia in Louisville. If they don't make the playoffs, maybe he'll be a pinch run specialist in Sept.

Marc D
07-14-2006, 04:48 PM
Doubt it. They'll probably drop a position player to get back to 12 pitchers.

How about Ross to DL and trade LaRue when Ross comes back?

KronoRed
07-14-2006, 04:49 PM
Guess Weathers is with us for life huh?

The bullpen Aurilia ;)

zombie-a-go-go
07-14-2006, 04:58 PM
Guess Weathers is with us for life huh?

The bullpen Aurilia ;)

Don't say it!

Saying it means it might come true...

zombie-a-go-go
07-14-2006, 04:59 PM
Do the Reds know that there are other teams in baseball than the Nationals? And do they know that the Nationals aren't really regarded as an A+ organization?

Neither are the Reds, more's the pity...

Kc61
07-14-2006, 05:00 PM
Weathers has pitched better lately. Don't mind him in middle relief. Standridge and Mays both still around, now that is a concern.

I wonder whether Belisle is going to be healthy enough to continue. He had a major back problem in the minors and now two DL stints this year with back problems.

KronoRed
07-14-2006, 05:01 PM
Hammond had a good month too ;)

Kc61
07-14-2006, 05:04 PM
Hammond had a good month too ;)


Last year, if they hadn't signed Weathers, the Reds might have had the worst record in the league. The guy was excellent, particularly mid-season as the closer. This year he has struggled and was hurt. He is nearing the end but shouldn't be compared to AAAA guys like Standridge. I don't mind using one spot for Weathers on this pitching staff if he is healthy.

chicoruiz
07-14-2006, 05:04 PM
Interesting that, for the time being at least, Krivsky was willing to cut a Krivsky guy (Yan) and keep an an O'Brien guy (Standridge). I like that.

Marc D
07-14-2006, 05:07 PM
If they are dead set on carrying 12 pitchers and 3 catchers then it will be interesting to see who goes.

Aurilia, Castro and Wise are the 3 choices and we all know it isn't going to be Aurilia. Kriv could make me feel a lot better about his judgement if he kept Wise and punted Castro.

KronoRed
07-14-2006, 05:09 PM
Wise has to stay, only backup OF

Danny Serafini
07-14-2006, 05:10 PM
I swear when I first read this I thought it said they claimed Brandon Larson.

KronoRed
07-14-2006, 05:11 PM
I swear when I first read this I thought it said they claimed Brandon Larson.
Is he playing with anyone these days? ;)

Marc D
07-14-2006, 05:12 PM
Wise has to stay, only backup OF

yep so one has to think its either a) 11 pitcher time or b) a catchers gone.

I don't think there is a need for 12 pitchers if one is Mays but this lends more and more credence to what TC said about LaRue.

corkedbat
07-14-2006, 05:18 PM
I'll bet Larue is gone by the time Ross comes off the DL maybe sooner. If they get the right deal, we could always call up Sardinha or Perez to backup Javy for a couple of days until Ross is back.

Standridge goes back to Louisville to make room for Ramierez and Mays is DFA'd when Claussen's ready.

That would give us a staff of:

Arroyo
Harang
Ramierez
Milton
Claussen
Weathers
Mercker
Coffey
Majewski
Bray
Guardado

Am I missing someone?

Doc. Scott
07-14-2006, 05:21 PM
Is he playing with anyone these days? ;)

Yup- Calamity Jane made a trip to, appropriately enough, New Orleans.

Marc D
07-14-2006, 05:26 PM
I'll bet Larue is gone by the time Ross comes off the DL maybe sooner. If they get the right deal, we could always call up Sardinha or Perez to backup Javy for a couple of days until Ross is back.

Standridge goes back to Louisville to make room for Ramierez and Mays is DFA'd when Claussen's ready.

That would give us a staff of:

Arroyo
Harang
Ramierez
Milton
Claussen
Weathers
Mercker
Coffey
Majewski
Bray
Gadardo

Am I missing someone?

Belisle if his back ever heals. Gotta have a long reliever. If he isn't healthy I'm guessing they keep Mays for that role. I don't see Narron ever going with 11 pitchers.

writerdan33
07-14-2006, 05:30 PM
Freel is a backup outfielder.

KronoRed
07-14-2006, 05:32 PM
Freel is a backup outfielder.
He's also a backup IF, need at least one guy who is just for the OF

corkedbat
07-14-2006, 05:34 PM
Belisle if his back ever heals. Gotta have a long reliever. If he isn't healthy I'm guessing they keep Mays for that role. I don't see Narron ever going with 11 pitchers.

I'm missing something

Yan - Majewski
Belisle - Bray
Bergolla - Clayton
Standridge - Ramierez
Mays - Claussen
LaRue - Ross

Just guessing, but I'm switching out one-for-one and I'm still only coming up with 24. Who am I forgetting?

Hatteberg
Phillips
Castro
Encarnacion
Dunn
Griffey
Denorfia
Ross
Aurillia
Clayton
Freel
Wise
Valentin

Arroyo
Harang
Ramierez
Milton
Claussen
Weathers
Mercker
Coffey
Majewski
Bray
Guardado

[That is one sorry looking bench, BTW]

writerdan33
07-14-2006, 05:36 PM
edited

corkedbat
07-14-2006, 05:39 PM
edited

No, I'm guessing that Mays and Standridge go when Claussen and Ramierez return. It's not Belisle either, he just went on the DL - replaced by one of the new relievers

Nevermind, it's Ross - he's not on the DL yet - DOH!

It would be nice to be able to move LaRue for an upgrade over Claussen in the 5th rotation spot and move Brandon to the pen. Don't know how that will workout though considering that FeLo and Ears couldn't even land a Big League Starter

PuffyPig
07-14-2006, 05:42 PM
While I'm by no means trying to suggest that Standridge is the reliever of the year, he didn't pitch badly last night.

The Rockies BABIPed 1.000 against him (he had one strike out) as they went 4-4. And none of the balls were hit hard.

His DIPS ERA would actually have come down. 1 K, no walks, no HR, 4 balls in play.

Far East
07-14-2006, 05:43 PM
Wise has to stay, only backup OF
We were all probably impressed with Wise's ST stats, although in that small sample; in his even smaller number of ABs since being recalled he has looked way overmatched.

REDREAD
07-14-2006, 05:43 PM
Do the Reds have to trade the Nationals a player for Watson?

No, he's a freebee.

REDREAD
07-14-2006, 05:45 PM
Wise has to stay, only backup OF

well, Freel can play OF, but I agree that it's better to have 5 OF on the roster.

Too bad we cut Womack, we lost a lot of flexibility there :laugh: Joking, of course.

Marc D
07-14-2006, 05:46 PM
I'm missing something

Yan - Majewski
Belisle - Bray
Bergolla - Clayton
Standridge - Ramierez
Mays - Claussen
LaRue - Ross

Just guessing, but I'm switching out one-for-one and I'm still only coming up with 24. Who am I forgetting?

Hatteberg
Phillips
Castro
Encarnacion
Dunn
Griffey
Denorfia
Ross
Aurillia
Clayton
Freel
Wise
Valentin

Arroyo
Harang
Ramierez
Milton
Claussen
Weathers
Mercker
Coffey
Majewski
Bray
Guardado

[That is one sorry looking bench, BTW]

Ross is not currently on the DL and you don't have LaRue on your 2nd list. I'm guessing thats the discrepency.

NJReds
07-14-2006, 05:47 PM
No, he's a freebee.

Although the Nats picked up Chris Booker, again. So we can pretend that it was a trade. :p:

Chip R
07-14-2006, 05:48 PM
While I'm by no means trying to suggest that Standridge is the reliever of the year, he didn't pitch badly last night.

The Rockies BABIPed 1.000 against him (he had one strike out) as they went 4-4. And none of the balls were hit hard.

His DIPS ERA would actually have come down. 1 K, no walks, no HR, 4 balls in play.

In a lot of these games during this recent stretch where the BP blew all those games, there were times where the balls weren't hit very hard but they found holes anyway.

TheBigLebowski
07-14-2006, 05:50 PM
Do the Reds have to trade the Nationals a player for Watson?

Yes. We've agreed to send them Adam Dunn as the PTBNL for Brandon Watson.

corkedbat
07-14-2006, 05:54 PM
Ross is not currently on the DL and you don't have LaRue on your 2nd list. I'm guessing thats the discrepency.

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. Thanks :D

While we really do need pitching, I'd like to see us get a top young MI who can defend and also upgrade the bench before next season.

I'd like to see someone with abilities like the kid who was killed in Arizona (why can't I think of his name?). I'd also see us pickup a veteran OF with some offensive punch - someone like Pants was always turning up (Encarnacion, Guillen, etc.). Some will think I'm crazy, but I wouldn't mind seeing them take a run at Reggie Sanders if he's on the market (as he always seems to be these days) and his price is reasonable.

edabbs44
07-14-2006, 06:02 PM
Not that I like the guy, or even that I think he should still be on the team, but did anyone else think Yan wasn't the worst reliever in the pen in the past month or so? I did a quick review of his appearances and it looks like he's had 15 IP, 6 ER and either 13 or 14 hits let up since coming to Ohio. It's amazing that he got released so quickly when compared to the purgatory of Hammond, Burns and White we had to suffer through.

Tony Cloninger
07-14-2006, 06:02 PM
JS has great stuff....but seems unable to control any of it at all.

Hit hard or not...... come in with 6 run lead and barely 10 min. later you need your closer?

I think Yan could have closed out that inning better.....and since it looks like they are trying to win now...... seeing if JS can develop better seems a little odd.
Maybe he can be the long man........beacuse Mays has to go with the Lizard comes back.

DL Ross too if you have to....and bring up another bench player. Someone who can handle being on the bench, and with some pop off the bat.

Start JS if you have to.....as the 5th starter, if you really want to develop him. Or else bring up germano.

Patrick Bateman
07-14-2006, 06:10 PM
In a lot of these games during this recent stretch where the BP blew all those games, there were times where the balls weren't hit very hard but they found holes anyway.

I think that's more of an indication of how poor our defense is at turning balls in play into outs.

The relievers give up their fair share of HR's and walks, but the defense sure aint making it easy on them.

Marc D
07-14-2006, 06:17 PM
I can't speak for all the games but last night was as clear an example of just getting blooped to death as you are ever likely to see. If it wasn't a Reds pitcher and I saw that happen I'd say it just wasn't that guys night.

Like everyone else, I'm perplexed by Standridge. Obviously has great stuff but seems very tenative. i think he just needs to rare back and knock the bats out of some hands instead of trying to be too fine.

CTA513
07-14-2006, 06:22 PM
Yes. We've agreed to send them Adam Dunn as the PTBNL for Brandon Watson.

They also tossed Harang into the deal.

GAC
07-14-2006, 06:24 PM
my thoughts exactly, I guess the thinking is that you know what you get with Yan which is mediocre while Standridge could actually improve especially after last night.

I'm hoping the only direction this kid can go is up! :lol:

GAC
07-14-2006, 06:26 PM
Don't say it!

Saying it means it might come true...

They bought him a burial plot in the bullpen with a special marker. ;)

PuffyPig
07-14-2006, 06:41 PM
JS has great stuff....but seems unable to control any of it at all.

Hit hard or not...... come in with 6 run lead and barely 10 min. later you need your closer?

I think Yan could have closed out that inning better.....and since it looks like they are trying to win now...... seeing if JS can develop better seems a little odd.


Standridge has pitched much better than yan this year.

Standridge has a DIPS ERA of 4.43 this year, Yan is at 6.62.

Yan absolutely stinks.

Close out a 6 run lead? Yan is not your guy. He just might walk the bases loaded. Standridge pitched well, but was very unlucky. If he continued to pitch this year, like he did last night, he'd have an ERA of around 2.

You forget that a pitcher can only control walks, strikeouts and HR's allowed. You can't really blame last night on Standridge.

Gallen5862
07-14-2006, 07:08 PM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/content/printer_friendly/was/y2006/m04/d12/c1396823.jsp
Notes: Pressure getting to Watson
04/12/2006 8:30 PM ET
By Bill Ladson / MLB.com

WASHINTON -- During Spring Training, Nationals leadoff hitter Brandon Watson outplayed outfielder Ryan Church by batting .308 and stealing a team-high eight bases. Watson made the Opening Day roster, while Church was sent down to Triple-A New Orleans.
But so far this season, Watson has been nowhere near the player who impressed manager Frank Robinson and surprised general manager Jim Bowden. Entering Wednesday's action, Watson was 4-for-23 with no runs scored. He is not working the count, and he's swinging at everything. It hasn't helped that pitchers are throwing first-pitch strikes.

"I know I can hit. I have to take my time and relax and not put so much pressure on myself. I have to make sure I do the little things I'm supposed to do to be successful," Watson said. "The pitchers are coming at me and, basically, I'll be hitting 0-2 every time. When I'm swinging, I put the ball in play most of the time. I want to be sure I'm swinging at strikes."

How much rope Robinson is going to give Watson remains to be seen, but the Nationals have to start winning, and Watson has to start producing in order for him to stay in the lineup.

"One thing he has to start doing -- he has to start being productive. He has to," Robinson said. "He can't keep going 0-for-3, 0-for-4, 0-for-4, 1-for-4, that type of thing at the top of the lineup. Because if you look up most of the time, [Jose] Vidro, [batting second], is hitting with nobody on.

"Watson has an idea at the plate, but he is fighting for his life in the short period of time he's at the big-league level. He wants to be successful, he wants to help this team win ballgames. He is probably trying a little too hard right now."

Thinking about the arms: If Robinson had his way, none of his relievers would pitch against the Mets on Wednesday, because they have been overworked. They have already pitched a combined 29 2/3 innings.

The Nationals need their starters to go deep in games. Entering Wednesday, none of the Nationals starters has gone seven innings or deeper.

Injury report: Shortstop Cristian Guzman, on the disabled list with a tear in his right shoulder, threw across the diamond 15 times during batting practice on Wednesday and didn't feel any pain. It was the first time that Guzman did such an exercise since learning of the injury last month. Head athletic trainer Tim Abraham said that Guzman will continue to throw across the diamond to increase his strength. Guzman had already taken batting practice without feeling any pain.

"I'm feeling better. I'm feeling strong," Guzman said.

Catcher/first baseman Robert Fick, on the disabled list after minor surgery in his right elbow, took light batting practice for the second time in less than a week, and he didn't feel any pain. Fick did say, however, that he felt a little soreness in his right shoulder after not throwing in a long time.

"My elbow feels great," Fick said. "I have a little soreness from just throwing. It's natural."

Fick said that he hopes to start playing in a Minor League games by the end of the week.

Reliever Mike Stanton was not available for Wednesday's game because of the flu.

Stats of the day: Entering Wednesday's action, the Nationals' bullpen is 1-1 with a 5.76 ERA, no saves, 20 walks and 18 strikeouts.

Did you know? Daryle Ward's pinch-hit solo home run on Monday against the Astros was the franchise's first extra-inning home run since Wallace Johnson went deep against Giants left-hander Atlee Hammaker on May 20, 1990.

Coming up: The Nationals return to Robert F. Kennedy Stadium to play the Mets on Thursday at 1:05 p.m. ET.

Livan Hernandez will get the start for Washington, while Victor Zambrano will take the hill for New York.

Hernandez will face Mets for the second time this season. On April 3, he gave up three runs in six innings as New York won, 3-2.

In his last outing, Hernandez had one bad inning that almost proved to be costly. The Astros scored five runs in the first inning, highlighted by Lance Berkman's two-run home run. Hernandez settled down, giving up one run in the next five innings, and the Nationals won the game, 12-8.

This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Gallen5862
07-14-2006, 07:15 PM
We can look at this as a trade of Yan for Brandon Watson. This way we dfa Yan and make 40 man roster room to claim Watson and send him to AAA. The Reds still have a chance to trade Yan.

Tony Cloninger
07-14-2006, 07:22 PM
Puffy....the way people were describing last night.......it all sounded like rockets and red glare off JS. I guess that is one case where the stats do lie?

I like JS way better than Yan......i just figured they were not going to let him try and develop up here.
With JS stuff....he can look and seem unhittable......but he does tend to get behind hitters and give up a fair share of walks.

SirFelixCat
07-14-2006, 07:38 PM
While I'm by no means trying to suggest that Standridge is the reliever of the year, he didn't pitch badly last night.

The Rockies BABIPed 1.000 against him (he had one strike out) as they went 4-4. And none of the balls were hit hard.

His DIPS ERA would actually have come down. 1 K, no walks, no HR, 4 balls in play.

When I watched the game after I got home last night, I found myself thinking the same thing. Just unlucky last night. His location was good, just found holes in the IF :(

Eric_Davis
07-14-2006, 08:20 PM
Watson did hit .355 at AAA New Orleans last year....Don't get fooled by his stolen base total though. He gets caught way too often,...so much, that I'd send him as much as I'd send Dunn. You'll also never see a player with less power...a true punch-and-judy hitter.

reds44
07-14-2006, 08:32 PM
Watson did hit .355 at AAA New Orleans last year....Don't get fooled by his stolen base total though. He gets caught way too often,...so much, that I'd send him as much as I'd send Dunn. You'll also never see a player with less power...a true punch-and-judy hitter.
He sounds like another Javon Moran.

Does he walk at all?

Eric_Davis
07-15-2006, 12:07 AM
He sounds like another Javon Moran.

Does he walk at all?

Not hardly.....a free-swinger.

reds44
07-15-2006, 12:48 AM
Not hardly.....a free-swinger.
He is Javon Moran then.

KronoRed
07-15-2006, 01:46 AM
Or Reggie Taylor ;)

Eric_Davis
07-15-2006, 03:29 PM
In a lot of these games during this recent stretch where the BP blew all those games, there were times where the balls weren't hit very hard but they found holes anyway.

A good reason to obtain the increased range of Royce Clayton.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2006, 03:32 PM
He is Javon Moran then.

I meant "not hardly" to refer to his not walking at all rather than referring to his being like Javon Moran.

Caveat Emperor
07-15-2006, 07:43 PM
A good reason to obtain the increased range of Royce Clayton.

Yes, but how many games stay close without the bats of Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez in the lineup?

Matt700wlw
07-15-2006, 09:12 PM
Mercker exiting....Majewski entering...


Oops...wrong thread :D