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Patrick Bateman
07-16-2006, 01:53 AM
I was quite perplexed when reading the gamethread how people were ragging on Magic so quickly. And these were the same people that held a high regard for the trade that brought him in.

I am no fan of the trade, but based on his 2 performances there is no reason to sour on him so quickly.

Today in 2/3 of an innings he struck out 2 guys without issuing a walk, nor did he give up a HR. The runs scored based on bad luck for Magic. If he pitches like that every game he would be the best pitcher in baseball. The BAPIP would equalize to some level around .310 when you factor in the Reds defense.

I think everyone needs to realize that games like this will happen to Magic. Since he doesn't give up many homeruns and doesn't strike out many guys, he will pretty much pitch as well as the BAPIP let's him. He could have just as easily gotten the first 2 guys out without giving up any hits. He will generally limit the damage because he doesn't give up many HRs, but games like this will happen because he simply doesn't K enough batters on a regular basis.

I thought he actually pitched great tonight. If he keeps pitching the way he did in the first 2 games you will see Magic get a lot of success. Based on his career numbers with the Nats you can expect a pretty reliable set-up type guy. Nothing fancy, but he'll get the job done more often than not. Give him a chance.

Phhhl
07-16-2006, 02:20 AM
There is only one "Magic", and he played basketball. But, I do concur. I am not concerned with the way he has performed so far. He's not going to miss a lot of bats, but Majewski deals up a lot of ground balls and will be just fine short relieving for this team. He's no Scott Linebrink, but I think people are just anxious to see this deal pay dividends. Rightfully so.

Jpup
07-16-2006, 03:22 AM
He has been very unlucky. That's not a stat saying that, just my observation. For the most part, he has been blooped to death.

He's a solid pitcher and I'm glad he's on the Reds.

Hubba
07-16-2006, 10:31 AM
I didn't read the game thread but I can tell you who those people were. They were the same people that complain about everything that the Reds do right or wrong, Thay are the board whiners for what ever reason, If the reds had not made that trade they would be whining because they didn't. I once questioned the Great Sparkey Anderson.
I was quite perplexed when reading the gamethread how people were ragging on Magic so quickly. And these were the same people that held a high regard for the trade that brought him in.

I am no fan of the trade, but based on his 2 performances there is no reason to sour on him so quickly.

Today in 2/3 of an innings he struck out 2 guys without issuing a walk, nor did he give up a HR. The runs scored based on bad luck for Magic. If he pitches like that every game he would be the best pitcher in baseball. The BAPIP would equalize to some level around .310 when you factor in the Reds defense.

I think everyone needs to realize that games like this will happen to Magic. Since he doesn't give up many homeruns and doesn't strike out many guys, he will pretty much pitch as well as the BAPIP let's him. He could have just as easily gotten the first 2 guys out without giving up any hits. He will generally limit the damage because he doesn't give up many HRs, but games like this will happen because he simply doesn't K enough batters on a regular basis.

I thought he actually pitched great tonight. If he keeps pitching the way he did in the first 2 games you will see Magic get a lot of success. Based on his career numbers with the Nats you can expect a pretty reliable set-up type guy. Nothing fancy, but he'll get the job done more often than not. Give him a chance.

RBA
07-16-2006, 11:44 AM
There is only one "Magic", and he played basketball. But, I do concur. I am not concerned with the way he has performed so far. He's not going to miss a lot of bats, but Majewski deals up a lot of ground balls and will be just fine short relieving for this team. He's no Scott Linebrink, but I think people are just anxious to see this deal pay dividends. Rightfully so.


If not "Magic", how about we just call him "M.J." instead? Surely there isn't another "M.J."? :D

I'll admit, I been ragging on him. But it's still too early to be doing that. Actually he hasn't been that bad, just a little unlucky in my opinion.

3 and 0 since the trade. The Nats are 0 and 2. Small sample size.

PuffyPig
07-16-2006, 12:14 PM
Great post AK!!!

Joseph
07-16-2006, 01:47 PM
I was at the game last night, and there were quite a few people around me booing him and screaming "Go back to DC, we don't want you here!" and other less nice things.

People need to get over it, it's done now, complaining and whining won't change it.

He at least looked like he cared as he came off the mound, screaming into his glove as it were.

NJReds
07-16-2006, 02:00 PM
The funny thing is, the harsh criticism of Magic in the game thread came shortly after we were criticizing the Nats fans for criticizing Felipe...you follow? :cool:

traderumor
07-16-2006, 04:04 PM
When football fandom attempts to translate the same mentality to baseball.

reds44
07-16-2006, 04:23 PM
The funny thing is, the harsh criticism of Magic in the game thread came shortly after we were criticizing the Nats fans for criticizing Felipe...you follow? :cool:
At least none of us were doing this.


YOU SUCK KEARNS YOU DO THE WORST THING TO THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER ON THEIR INFIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



http://www.nationalsforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=1509&start=25

Ltlabner
07-16-2006, 04:26 PM
Hahahaha..that's great reds44. Thanks for posting it. It's good to see there are totally crazy fans in other cities too.

But they seem to hate Kearns and Lopez so maybe they didn't get the memo, or have the right subscription to BA because they should know that they skunked us and that the Reds will cease to exist as a team. ;)

KronoRed
07-16-2006, 05:17 PM
Sounds like Reds.com

Glad people don't judge us on Reds.com posts ;)

NJReds
07-16-2006, 05:33 PM
At least none of us were doing this.



http://www.nationalsforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=1509&start=25


:laugh:

smith288
07-17-2006, 11:40 AM
Well, if the new players came over to the Reds and did 100% nothing when given 6 chances, I would be a tad peeved too.

But some of those posts are a tad over the top like "Lopez doesnt even care" or "Kearns is the worst outfielder".

Those are just "im mad" posts though.

Those two will turn it around. They are playing on a dumpy team with no shot at the playoffs. What drive they had went out the window when they play in that cavern in Washington with nothing to win for.

flyer85
07-17-2006, 01:19 PM
I am no fan of the trade, but based on his 2 performances there is no reason to sour on him so quickly.There were numerous reason to be sour (which Steel doucmented quite well in another thread) on him before he pitched.

Falls City Beer
07-17-2006, 03:10 PM
What drive they had went out the window when they play in that cavern in Washington with nothing to win for.

Wow. That certainly says a lot about those two, if what you say is true.

Patrick Bateman
07-17-2006, 03:30 PM
There were numerous reason to be sour (which Steel doucmented quite well in another thread) on him before he pitched.

My point is there was no reason based on his 2 appearances to sour on him. He did nothing wrong in his 2 appearances.

If you don't like Majewski very much it's probably because of his track record, not because of how he's pitched so far.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-17-2006, 04:16 PM
I was at the game last night, and there were quite a few people around me booing him and screaming "Go back to DC, we don't want you here!" and other less nice things.



Beautiful

Roy Tucker
07-24-2006, 01:01 PM
Seeing Kitty's comment about Majewski trying to hard reminded me of this...

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060724/COL03/607240368/1071

Majewski needs to forget
Reliever: Mistakes 'mental'
BY PAUL DAUGHERTY | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Relief pitchers are highly strung people who claim to have short memories but sometimes pitch as if they don't. Right now, Gary Majewski has a memory that never forgets, and it's killing him.

The Reds' newest relief pitcher came into a situation made for him Sunday: Two on, two out, seventh inning, Reds trailing 2-0 which, for them lately, is like being up five in the ninth. Get out of the inning clean and watch the Reds' late-game circus pitch its tent.

Only Majewski's first pitch was driven to left field for an RBI single by Milwaukee's Carlos Lee. Up in the third row of the press box, a visiting major-league scout groaned, and offered this observation:

"(Majewski's) best pitch is a sinking fastball, so he throws a first-pitch breaking ball to a guy who hasn't hit a fastball the whole series."

The next batter, Prince Fielder, sent a Majewski fastball into left field.

That, too, was a run-scoring base hit. The Brewers led 4-0 and went on to win 4-1. Fans, already skeptical of Majewski and the trade that landed him, let him have it after the inning, launching boos like bottle rockets.

Afterward, Majewski stood at his clubhouse cubicle and tossed clothes into a travel bag. He wore a camouflaged ballcap backwards, covering his longish, Bronson Arroyo-esque hair. He called a reporter "dude." He might have that relief pitcher's shoulder-shrug approach to life most days. Not this one. Appraised of the scout's comments, Majewski said, "That's legit."

The slider Lee hit was a "set-up pitch," Majewski said, not meant to be thrown for a strike. Instead, the Milwaukee slugger got in front of the pitch, probably because he was expecting a fastball, and blooped it over shortstop Juan Castro's head. Until then, Lee had been 0-for-11 in the series, and one for his previous 18.

"I was going to come in on him hard after that. But we didn't get that far," Majewski said.

Games rest on singular moments. Taken together, they define seasons. Seasons turn on them. If enough moments go your way, you go home happy. If enough don't, you just go home. Majewski's errant slider to Lee defined the game Sunday.

The Reds still escaped with an impressive homestand. They went 7-3 to begin the second half of the year, after a 1-8 slide to end the first half all but buried their postseason credibility.

"It seems like we turn things around when we look awful," manager Jerry Narron said.

If that's true, there's hope for Majewski, who at the moment is trying too hard to justify a trade he didn't ask for.

"I 'm going out there trying to do way too much," he said. "In certain situations, I'm not making the pitches I need to make. I'm trying not to be too hard on myself, but ..."

The Reds got five players from Washington for Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez, an everyday shortstop and a promising lefty reliever among them. But Majewski was the prize of the deal, an established seventh- and eighth--inning man who could protect the Reds from their own bullpen long enough to get to Eddie Guardado.

Majewski heard the deal debated endlessly, usually in unflattering terms. At some point, the idea that he had to justify it by himself found a large space in his head.

"I guess some of it's mental," a writer offered.

"It's always mental," Majewski said.

He is a solid pitcher who has pitched cleanly only once in his five appearances as a Red. Sunday, Majewski pitched like the rest of the bullpen had before he arrived.

"It's an easy problem to fix. Just throw your pitch. Don't overthrow," said Majewski.

Narron said he still trusts Majewski, but you wonder for how long.

"He's going to keep getting the ball," Narron said.

Meantime, the team waits for Majewski to clear his head. Too many moments like the one Sunday can undo a season.

E-mail pdaugherty@enquirer.com

KittyDuran
07-24-2006, 01:17 PM
Fans, already skeptical of Majewski and the trade that landed him, let him have it after the inning, launching boos like bottle rockets.
I gotta say one thing about the Reds fans when they boo, no matter how many are in the house, it's louder than when they cheer...:(

KittyDuran
07-24-2006, 01:22 PM
But Majewski was the prize of the deal, an established seventh- and eighth--inning man who could protect the Reds from their own bullpen long enough to get to Eddie Guardado.Strange... but I don't see anyone being a "prize" in the trade - more of a collective group than a single player because of the trading of position players to pitchers. The ratio isn't 1=1. But if that's the way some see it, especially the media, Majewski will need to recover FAST...:(

Marc D
07-24-2006, 01:40 PM
Strange... but I don't see anyone being a "prize" in the trade - more of a collective group than a single player because of the trading of position players to pitchers. The ratio isn't 1=1. But if that's the way some see it, especially the media, Majewski will need to recover FAST...:(

I think most fans see it as AK and FeLo for Majewski and Bray along with the expectation to fix our bullpen issues. 2 guys come in, one does well so far and one struggles. Its easy to understand why he's catching heat.

That said, this isn't New York. Pitch well a few times and all will be forgiven. Between Jr's slump, Mays being Mays and Narron being dim there are plenty of chances for the fans ire to be directed elsewhere.

princeton
07-24-2006, 01:44 PM
Strange... but I don't see anyone being a "prize" in the trade

I see an unnatural interest in Bill Bray by the Reds

Falls City Beer
07-24-2006, 01:45 PM
I see an unnatural interest in Bill Bray by the Reds

Everyone loves Gabe White.

pedro
07-24-2006, 01:46 PM
I see an unnatural interest in Bill Bray by the Reds

He certainly doesn't throw as hard as I woudl have liked.

captainmorgan07
07-24-2006, 01:49 PM
i can see peopls point that the prize of the deal was majewski but in the back of my mind i think krivsky thinks it was bray this kid has done pretty well so far and lefties can't touch this kid future closer maybe look at gonzalez for the buco's he's a lefty closer and he's done alright

Jpup
07-24-2006, 01:55 PM
I think Majewski will be fine. From the first pitch he made in a Reds uniform, he has been overthrowing, it's very obvious.

He'll get them next time.

M2
07-24-2006, 03:07 PM
Everyone loves Gabe White.

Well, when you look like a 1970s porn star ...

PuffyPig
07-24-2006, 03:23 PM
Majewski has a great DIPS ERA with the Reds, as the BABIP against him is unreal. Every ball in play against him seems to be a hit. With average luck, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

marcshoe
07-24-2006, 06:51 PM
Majewski has a great DIPS ERA with the Reds, as the BABIP against him is unreal. Every ball in play against him seems to be a hit. With average luck, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And I think that, by this time next month, we won't be having this conversation.

NJReds
07-25-2006, 10:08 AM
I gotta say one thing about the Reds fans when they boo, no matter how many are in the house, it's louder than when they cheer...:(


I was at all three games this weekend, and the loudest boos were for Magic. He was bad, no doubt, but Mays and Weathers were far worse.

macro
08-06-2006, 05:23 PM
Given today's breakdown against the Braves, should Majewski be relegated to mop-up duty at this point? How many more games will he be allowed to blow?

Kc61
08-06-2006, 05:25 PM
Given today's breakdown against the Braves, should Majewski be relegated to mop-up duty at this point? How many more games will he be allowed to blow?

He needs to go on the DL and work with the pitching coaches. This can't continue. What a disaster.

kheidg-
08-06-2006, 05:25 PM
Given today's breakdown against the Braves, should Majewski be relegated to mop-up duty at this point? How many more games will he be allowed to blow?

Exactly. He's never been lights out anyways. Time for mop up duty for him until he strings together some solid outings. He isn't fooling anyone out there right now. He'd be the last person I'd use out of the pen, and at this point in time I'd rather see Shackelford up here than him.

Any chance of him being injured? Last I saw it looked like his velocity was around 93-94.

cincinnati chili
08-06-2006, 05:30 PM
I was at all three games this weekend, and the loudest boos were for Magic. He was bad, no doubt, but Mays and Weathers were far worse.

But Mays and Weathers weren't traded for two above-average offensive players. It may not be fair, as Jesus-is-Majewski never asked to be traded, but that's why people's expectations for him are higher than they are for Mays and Weathers.

Aronchis
08-06-2006, 05:33 PM
But Mays and Weathers weren't traded for two above-average offensive players. It may not be fair, as Jesus-is-Majewski never asked to be traded, but that's why people's expectations for him are higher than they are for Mays and Weathers.

Kearns is a above average player?

Marc D
08-06-2006, 05:38 PM
Kearns is a above average player?

I'd take him back straight up for majewski in a heartbeat(then trade him again this winter).

ochre
08-06-2006, 05:39 PM
Kearns is a above average player?
yes.

Aronchis
08-06-2006, 05:41 PM
yes.

No. Thus, why I care little about Austin's role in the deal. Wayne has to look at himself trading Lopez, for essentially so little. Austin was as much a throw in as anything.

ochre
08-06-2006, 05:43 PM
...

Falls City Beer
08-06-2006, 05:46 PM
For his career, Kearns has been an average right fielder. Nothing more, nothing less.

The difference is, he's going to be expensive next year. And even more expensive relative to his production after that.

ochre
08-06-2006, 06:11 PM
Define average.

flyer85
08-06-2006, 06:17 PM
The problem is that Majewski was brought here to help this team, RIGHT NOW, and to help get them to the playoffs. To that end he has been a huge detriment.

SteelSD
08-06-2006, 06:22 PM
Kearns is a above average player?

Abso-freakin-lutely he is. He's one of six MLB Right Fielders who've posted 60+ more Equivalent Runs this season. He's one of nine MLB RF who've posted 20+ Runs Above Replacement level.

flyer85
08-06-2006, 06:28 PM
Abso-freakin-lutely he is. He's one of six MLB Right Fielders who've posted 60+ more Equivalent Runs this season. He's one of nine MLB RF who've posted 20+ Runs Above Replacement level.and even with that what they seem to miss the most is the LHB of Lopez.

Kc61
08-06-2006, 06:31 PM
the trade would be ok if this Majewski guy was semi-decent. We could have Chris Hammond and Rick White do what Majewski's been doing.

The Reds have plenty of lefthanded hitting with Dunn, Griffey, Hatteberg, Valentin. They can spend a few free agent bucks and replace the guys they lost. And Bray looks great for a young pitcher.

But Krivsky had better deal with this Majic situation immediately. That loss today was really awful. You don't conduct batting practice with a two run eighth inning lead.

flyer85
08-06-2006, 06:35 PM
who knows, maybe Germano could have taken over and performed quite capably. Would have been worth a shot and should have been tried long before July came around.

Falls City Beer
08-06-2006, 06:45 PM
Define average.

.830 OPS

ochre
08-06-2006, 06:50 PM
.830 OPS
So you are saying there are an equal number of regular right fielders above and below that number?

Falls City Beer
08-06-2006, 06:53 PM
So you are saying there are an equal number of regular right fielders above and below that number?

2006 MLB Average OPS for Right Fielders: .823

Sue me for being off.

Reds1
08-06-2006, 07:16 PM
this looks like an old post, but I'm not happy with magic at all. I think he is gone and the worst member of the pen. I'm ready for Merker and or Belise.

ochre
08-06-2006, 07:33 PM
2006 MLB Average OPS for Right Fielders: .823

Sue me for being off.
What's the median? :)

SteelSD
08-06-2006, 07:56 PM
What's the median? :)

For RF batting title qualifiers it's .806. Expand to all RF with 300 or more PA and it's .808.

And there are exactly seven MLB hitting title qualifiers in RF who've posted OPS numbers over .823 thusfar this season.

Big Klu
08-06-2006, 08:08 PM
What's the median? :)

Very good question! The mathematician in me appreciates that somebody was paying attention in math class! :thumbup:

Mean, median, and mode can all give conflicting views as to what the "average" is.

Unassisted
08-06-2006, 10:37 PM
There is only one "Magic", and he played basketball.Good luck convincing Packer fans of that. They had a quarterback named Majkowski who was most definitely known as "Magic," but whose play was closer to that of the Reds version of "Magic." ;)

macro
08-07-2006, 12:47 AM
Good luck convincing Packer fans of that. They had a quarterback named Majkowski who was most definitely known as "Magic," but whose play was closer to that of the Reds version of "Magic." ;)

Yep, and the day he got hurt and couldn't play against the Bengals in 1992 looked like a great break for the team in stripes. The Packers were forced to use their backup, a guy that I knew very little about, named Favre. The backup beat the Bengals that day.

:(

redsrule2500
08-07-2006, 02:20 AM
2006 MLB Average OPS for Right Fielders: .823

Sue me for being off.

haha wow OWNED. :beerme:

Aronchis
08-07-2006, 05:04 AM
Abso-freakin-lutely he is. He's one of six MLB Right Fielders who've posted 60+ more Equivalent Runs this season. He's one of nine MLB RF who've posted 20+ Runs Above Replacement level.

Yet, you proclaim that with a player that never has played a full season and with his numbers declining seasonally. In otherwords, he would do good to keep his "above average" status and OPS 800.

Reds fans put feelings more ahead of fact with Kearns.

KronoRed
08-07-2006, 05:06 AM
Yep, and the day he got hurt and couldn't play against the Bengals in 1992 looked like a great break for the team in stripes. The Packers were forced to use their backup, a guy that I knew very little about, named Favre. The backup beat the Bengals that day.

:(
So if our Magic gets hurt the guy we call up will be a hall of famer

SCORE! :D