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Petitt33
07-16-2006, 01:33 PM
Colorado
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
J. Carroll 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .319
C. Barmes ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .215
T. Helton 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .293
G. Atkins 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .313
B. Hawpe rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308
J. Piedra lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .175
Y. Torrealba c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .241
C. Sullivan cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
J. Fogg p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .036
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
D. Wise rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244
K. Griffey Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
E. Encarnacion 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275
S. Hatteberg 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .307
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .221
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .297
J. Castro ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .343
E. Ramirez p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .150
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Colorado
IP H R ER BB K HR Season ERA
J. Fogg 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.44

Cincinnati
IP H R ER BB K HR Season ERA
E. Ramirez 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.14

edabbs44
07-16-2006, 01:36 PM
Jesus....it is amazing to me how Narron selects his lineups. A guy who was just recalled and is a bench player is now the leadoff guy. EE doesn't play forever and is hitting 5th. If these guys can hit 1st and 5th, you would assume that they should be playing everyday.

captainmorgan07
07-16-2006, 01:36 PM
i like this lineup ee in there batting cleanup castro's in there he's been hot javy gives larue and nite off and goes back to his regular duty of catching the lizard

Redmachine2003
07-16-2006, 01:41 PM
And they wonder why Lizard doesn't get any run support.

Tom Servo
07-16-2006, 01:44 PM
Interesting lineup, but I like it. We'll see what DeWayne can do. Javy hasn't had a start in a while and is owed one for his good pinch hitting, and I like Juan more than Royce Clayton at this point. And Edwin's playing!

Doc. Scott
07-16-2006, 01:44 PM
Wise batting leadoff doesn't cut it. Sorry. Not that I'm against awarding him a start for last night's hustle (plus there's something about Sundays that make managers empty the bench), but the guy walks about as often as it snows in Bogota.

willarious
07-16-2006, 01:45 PM
Do you guys think BP would be a good leadoff hitter? I think he would especially with Dunn and Griffey hitting behind him.

redsfan30
07-16-2006, 01:45 PM
Jesus....it is amazing to me how Narron selects his lineups. A guy who was just recalled and is a bench player is now the leadoff guy. EE doesn't play forever and is hitting 5th. If these guys can hit 1st and 5th, you would assume that they should be playing everyday.
This is the first time Wise has lead off, he's just giving Denorfia a blow today...don't know what the big deal is there.

People have been screaming for Encarnacion to be put in the four spot for a month now, so here you go...don't see what the big deal is there.

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 01:46 PM
Wise batting leadoff doesn't cut it. Sorry. Not that I'm against awarding him a start for last night's hustle (plus there's something about Sundays that make managers empty the bench), but the guy walks about as often as it snows in Bogota.
Agreed. Freel has yet to even start in the series and Wise has no business getting starts over Ryan. Wise should only be used as a late-inning pinch runner...but with Narron, you never know what you're gonna get.

reds44
07-16-2006, 01:47 PM
Edwin!!!!!

I might have batted BP 1st, but EE is playing, Clayton is not, and RA is not batting 4th, so I am not complaining.

pedro
07-16-2006, 01:47 PM
It does seem odd but OTOH that is the same way Bobby Cox always does it. For instance if Betemit was filling in for Chipper Jones Cox would keep everyone in the same slot. While on the surface it may seem dumb I think there is something to be said for guys being in the same lineup slot everyday.

redsfan30
07-16-2006, 01:47 PM
Agreed. Freel has yet to even start in the series and Wise has no business getting starts over Ryan. Wise should only be used as a late-inning pinch runner...but with Narron, you never know what you're gonna get.
I don't believe Freel has been cleared to play defense yet because of his sore shoulder. That's why he's been limited to pinch hitting/running duties the past three days.

reds44
07-16-2006, 01:48 PM
Agreed. Freel has yet to even start in the series and Wise has no business getting starts over Ryan. Wise should only be used as a late-inning pinch runner...but with Narron, you never know what you're gonna get.
Freel is hurt.


It does seem odd but OTOH that is the same way Bobby Cox always does it. For instance if Betemit was filling in for Chipper Jones Cox would keep everyone in the same slot. While on the surface it may seem dumb I think there is something to be said for guys being in the same lineup slot everyday.
Ozzie Guillen did the same thing last year.

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 01:51 PM
I don't believe Freel has been cleared to play defense yet because of his sore shoulder. That's why he's been limited to pinch hitting/running duties the past three days.
Ah, how could I forget.

Thanks for clearing that up.

11larkin11
07-16-2006, 02:09 PM
I hope the whole Freel thing isnt going to land him on the DL like we do with most players. Why do we leave our injured players (Claussen, Ross, Belisile to name a few) on the roster for awhile, not play them, then put them on the DL a week or two later?

Rocket_Fuel
07-16-2006, 02:10 PM
Why do I get the feeling that Narron uses a Magic 8 ball to select his line-ups. . .

Gandalf the Red
07-16-2006, 02:13 PM
Wise should only be used as a late-inning pinch runner...but with Narron, you never know what you're gonna get.

For some reason, I just had an image of Jerry Narron as Forrest Gump, filling out a lineup card as he picks through a box of chocolates.

edabbs44
07-16-2006, 02:16 PM
It does seem odd but OTOH that is the same way Bobby Cox always does it. For instance if Betemit was filling in for Chipper Jones Cox would keep everyone in the same slot. While on the surface it may seem dumb I think there is something to be said for guys being in the same lineup slot everyday.
Still don't like it. EE cleanup is great, but Wise should not be hitting leadoff anywhere.

flyer85
07-16-2006, 02:21 PM
but Wise should not be hitting leadoff anywhere.he's fast. old school baseball says that's the #1 qualification for a leadoff hitter

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:27 PM
he's fast. old school baseball says that's the #1 qualification for a leadoff hitter

And he's SCRAPPY. Don't forget that Jerry loves SCRAPPY.

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:35 PM
and everybody has left the thread to go over to the ORG game thread.

cincy09
07-16-2006, 02:36 PM
not me I cant post there

cincy09
07-16-2006, 02:36 PM
1-0 through 1 full

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:39 PM
ok cincy let's keep her alive

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Elizardo is getting it back a little

cincy09
07-16-2006, 02:46 PM
1-0 mid of 2

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:47 PM
Good throw by Dunner on an allegedly bad call to end the inning.

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 02:48 PM
Edwin hit by a pitch

Umpire warns both benches

cincy09
07-16-2006, 02:48 PM
Didn't see it but Dunn threw someone out at the plate

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:55 PM
We get first two on and get nothing. Good thing we decided to go with defense over offense. ;)

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:59 PM
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I see Ric Flair is viewing the thread today. WHOOOOO! to you.

flynn78
07-16-2006, 02:59 PM
Going to the bottom of the third Rocks 1 Reds 0

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 03:03 PM
Dunn singles to left.

1 on. 2 out

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 03:09 PM
I can't beleive how little we are working the pitch count. Castro swung at first pitch, as did Hatteberg and Valentin. In the third, Dunn swung at first pitch, of course Dunn and Hatteberg got hits.

Now, after 3 innings, EZ has thrown 46 pitches and Fogg only 34! We need to run up the pitch counts more. Last night, Aaron Cook only threw 93 pitches in 7 full innings. Arroyo needed 106 for his seven. We were lucky they pulled Cook for a pinch hitter last night... he was pitching well.

On a hot day like today, we want the opposition standing out on the field as long as possible, and we want to get into the Rockies weak bullpen middle relievers.

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 03:26 PM
Phillips hits a sac fly.

2-1 Rockies

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 03:45 PM
After 5 innings, pitch counts:
EZ=82
Fogg=69

Fogg has two more innings at this rate, EZ probably just one.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 03:50 PM
Comeon ... we have a golden opportunity for a 4 game sweep. Crap .. 1st 3rd, 1 Out.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 03:55 PM
Error and a run scores .. great.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 03:56 PM
5-3 double play ... Reds down 3-1 though. Jeez, where's the run support.

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 03:58 PM
My guess is that EZ is done. 100 pitches, 6 innings, 3 runs. Typical EZ appearance, and a 'quality start'.

He does not get much run support......

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:04 PM
I swear, he ALWAYS has 6 innings, 3 runs .. practically every game.

jimbo
07-16-2006, 04:08 PM
Error and a run scores .. great.

Who committed the error......just now able to catch the game?

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 04:12 PM
Who committed the error......just now able to catch the game?
Philips; on an iffy throw from EE

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 04:14 PM
On the Carroll double, nobody covered second....

jimbo
07-16-2006, 04:14 PM
That's a stunner, EE with a throwing error.

Sounds like EZ pitched his usual game.....giving the team a chance to win with another quality start.

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 04:18 PM
That's a stunner, EE with a throwing error.

No, actually the error was charged to Philips for not catching the ball.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:26 PM
To the top of the 8th. Absolutely no offense this game. Maybe the effects of no Kearns and Lopez felt now?

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 04:33 PM
To the top of the 8th. Absolutely no offense this game. Maybe the effects of no Kearns and Lopez felt now?

As of now, after 7, after almost 3 games in Pittsburgh:
Kearns= 1 for 9, 3 BBs, and 3 Ks
Lopez= 1 for 12, 3 BBs, and 5 Ks

Not much loss so far....

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:35 PM
It's not to say the same results would be if they stayed here though.

BigREDSfaninKY
07-16-2006, 04:39 PM
watching the Pirate network, I believe they said Lopez has left 15 MOB in 2+ games with the Nats.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:40 PM
DUNN see's no one on base ... HR!!! Whooo. 1 run game.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:42 PM
Basehit!!! JR .. Rally time comeon.

BigREDSfaninKY
07-16-2006, 04:46 PM
why wouldn't you pinchrun for Jr right here with Denorfia

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:47 PM
2nd and 3rd, 1 out! Great sacrifice.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:48 PM
LOADED .. they are walknig to get to Phillips? Are they crazy.

BigREDSfaninKY
07-16-2006, 04:49 PM
considering that Phillips has been scuffling at the plate, no, plus it sets up the double play

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:49 PM
2-0 count .. comeonnnn

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:50 PM
God ... 2 outs.

JohhnyBench1001
07-16-2006, 04:51 PM
Man I don't know if Deno would have made a difference, but I would have liked to see him tag up on that line drive instead of JR.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:52 PM
Comeon Rich

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:52 PM
Base Hit!!!

2 Run Hiot~~!~~~~~~~~~~~!!

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:53 PM
4-3 REDS! Whoooooo

JohhnyBench1001
07-16-2006, 04:54 PM
Richie Rich!!!! Get out the brooms....hehehe

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 04:54 PM
RICH! Woo hoo!

4-3!

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:54 PM
Royce Clayton! Where Are The Haters!!! Whooo 2 Run Duble ... 6-3!!!!!!

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 04:55 PM
Royce! (Hee hee)
6-3!

JohhnyBench1001
07-16-2006, 04:56 PM
To the top of the 8th. Absolutely no offense this game. Maybe the effects of no Kearns and Lopez felt now?




Yep. The trade definitly had effects today..........Clayton with a 2 run 3B...:D

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:56 PM
Alright, lets get Guardado in there and get him another save.

Keystone12
07-16-2006, 04:56 PM
That wasn't a triple.

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 04:57 PM
Yep. The trade definitly had effects today..........Clayton with a 2 run 3B...:D

I'm not a Clayton hater, so your bragging to the wrong guy.

ITHIKABAND
07-16-2006, 04:59 PM
This team is playing pretty good, but by saying that I feel I may jinx it!

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 05:00 PM
Gonzalez K's!

1 down

JohhnyBench1001
07-16-2006, 05:00 PM
Just messing with what you where saying..........never meant that you were a Royce hater or to offend.

ITHIKABAND
07-16-2006, 05:00 PM
Bullpen coming through strong, EE in the line up. I'm in heaven!

MaineRed
07-16-2006, 05:02 PM
Come on Reds. 4-0 here to open the second half would be very big.

This team is starting to show some luster at home. Good sign.

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 05:02 PM
Carroll flies out to center!

2 down

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 05:02 PM
YES! OUT. 2 DOWN, 1 to go.

ITHIKABAND
07-16-2006, 05:03 PM
Eddie is my hero!

MaineRed
07-16-2006, 05:03 PM
Is Eddie G pitching?

And is he fired up?

ITHIKABAND
07-16-2006, 05:03 PM
Ouch!

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 05:03 PM
HR .. damn.

MaineRed
07-16-2006, 05:04 PM
Nevermind, got the answer.

But is he showing that same emotion as previous outings?

ITHIKABAND
07-16-2006, 05:04 PM
What happened Eddie?

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 05:04 PM
Barmes hits a solo HR to left.

6-4 Reds with 2 down

ITHIKABAND
07-16-2006, 05:05 PM
And this one belongs to the REDS!!!!

Petitt33
07-16-2006, 05:05 PM
Sweep!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITHIKABAND
07-16-2006, 05:05 PM
Everday Eddie gave up one but otherwise pitched pretty good

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 05:06 PM
Maybe Marty should stay on vacation. 4 games with Nuxhall = 4 straight wins.

lucky bugle boy
07-16-2006, 05:08 PM
You know, Steve really needs a "This one belongs to the Reds" phrase. Doesn't it seem anti-climactic to hear "And the Reds win it" after hearing "This one belongs to the Reds" for so many years?

mbgrayson
07-16-2006, 05:09 PM
Doesn't it seem anti-climactic to hear "And the Reds win it" after hearing "This one belongs to the Reds" for so many years?

Yes it does. He does need his own phrase....Hmmmm.

MaineRed
07-16-2006, 05:09 PM
4 games without Kearns and Lopez = 4 straight wins also.

Just saying ......

It seems the sky is falling assessment due to the horrible trade that was made, seems to be wrong, thus far.

Small sample size, yes. But I don't think the sample size would matter to the critics if the team was 0-4 since the trade. Seems we'd be hearing about it.

captainmorgan07
07-16-2006, 05:09 PM
reds record when leading after 8 40-2 does that suprise anybody else

BoCcc2832
07-16-2006, 05:13 PM
Yes it does. He does need his own phrase....Hmmmm.

we should have a contest on this site and the winner takes it to steve for his new call

GOREDSGO32
07-16-2006, 05:14 PM
Yes it does. He does need his own phrase....Hmmmm.

How about .THeEEeEEeEEEeeeeEEEE Redlegs win! TheeeeEEEEEEEEEEEE Redslegs win!

MaineRed
07-16-2006, 05:14 PM
That is surprising. You'd think the leagues worst bullpen would be much worse off.

reds44
07-16-2006, 05:15 PM
reds record when leading after 8 40-2 does that suprise anybody else
Yes.

KronoRed
07-16-2006, 05:18 PM
reds record when leading after 8 40-2 does that suprise anybody else
Our BP rocks ;)

lucky bugle boy
07-16-2006, 05:24 PM
reds record when leading after 8 40-2 does that suprise anybody else
I heard that too and thought that had to be wrong.

George Foster
07-16-2006, 05:24 PM
Maybe Marty should stay on vacation. 4 games with Nuxhall = 4 straight wins.

I thought the same thing. He's bad luck now. He has to stay out of the booth until they lose. As Crash Davis would say, " You have to respect the streak....":laugh:

George Foster
07-16-2006, 05:26 PM
I heard that too and thought that had to be wrong.


I would like to know how many runs we have given up in the ninth and still won the game, or won the game in extra innings after a blown save. Those are the "true" numbers.

lucky bugle boy
07-16-2006, 05:37 PM
I would like to know how many runs we have given up in the ninth and still won the game, or won the game in extra innings after a blown save. Those are the "true" numbers.
I looked back at box scores, and the stat is correct:

4/16/06 vs. St. Louis: 7-6 Reds after 8, Final: 8-7 Cards

5/20/06 vs. Detroit: 6-5 Reds after 8, Final: 7-6 Tigers

lucky bugle boy
07-16-2006, 05:38 PM
In addition, 4 times we were tied after 8 and lost; that's been a bigger problem.

KronoRed
07-16-2006, 05:49 PM
I thought the same thing. He's bad luck now. He has to stay out of the booth until they lose. As Crash Davis would say, " You have to respect the streak....":laugh:
Joe is an old vet who knows how to win :devil:

goreds2
07-16-2006, 10:42 PM
You know, Steve really needs a "This one belongs to the Reds" phrase. Doesn't it seem anti-climactic to hear "And the Reds win it" after hearing "This one belongs to the Reds" for so many years?

Even in the past when Joe would announce a win via an extra inning game etc, he would say "And this one belongs to the Reds!"

EE, 2 for THREEEEEEE!! (Play him, dag nab it!!)