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RedEye
07-18-2006, 10:19 PM
I'm sure this question has been asked before, so I'm showing my neophyte-ness as I write this. Anyway, is there a reason why the game thread isn't always in Reds Live? It is frustrating to be barred from the main discussion just because I haven't been around for long enough. I promise, I won't say anything foul or misguided, and I'll try not to echo anyone's comments right afterwards (though sometimes this can't be helped). Anyway, couldn't the mix of voices be better with a few rooks in the line-up along with the veterans who "know how to play the game"? ;)

smith288
07-18-2006, 10:23 PM
Become a useful addition to RedsZone and you will be there in no time.

RBA
07-18-2006, 10:27 PM
Because some people were upset with the postings on the game thread in Reds Live and thought by doing a seperate game thread in ORG would weed out the riff raft. Sadly, it's still just as bad.

OldRightHander
07-18-2006, 10:58 PM
Because some people were upset with the postings on the game thread in Reds Live and thought by doing a seperate game thread in ORG would weed out the riff raft. Sadly, it's still just as bad.

Do they sell those at Bass Pro Shop? I've seen plenty of different boats there, but that one doesn't ring a bell.

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 07:58 AM
There's two game threads because it was getting too positive. Statistically speaking, newer posters have been shown to be 34.27% more postive than those who have been here for 300 or more posts. For those who have been here for 200 or more posts the number of positive posts spikes to 41.37%. That's a positive post factor of 7.1/100 posts and we just can't have that sort of stuff going on in a game thread.

Also, newer posters are far less likely to carp about scrappy vets, hate Gerogre Grande, find Marty B to be the anti-christ or have sick man love for EE. Again, intensive statisicial research has shown the "outsiders objective reality index" (OORI) to be much higher for new people (42.57% higher in fact) for those who have not been here for 3 or more years. It is far more prefered to have a homegenious "end of time" outlook than to have an OORI increasing in the face of the ETS index decreasing. ETS means "everything sucks" index, by the way.

Having two game threads is a good way to weed out the nieve, inexperienced and "hand in the sand" baseball fans who just want to enjoy talking about Reds baseball and ocsionally enjoy the game itself and it maintains that certian, "I am miserable, but I guess I'll post anyway" sort of outlook that is important to some.

remdog
07-19-2006, 08:47 AM
Abner: For a guy that's been here two months you certainly seem to like to dump on the board members as a group. This isn't your first negative post in these regards so I guess the question would be: why are you here?

Maybe you should take a break and read the board for an extended period of time before you pee on everyone's cornflakes. The optimism and pessimism ebbs and flows here over time. For instance, from time to time I've been accused of being overly optimistic but I'm currently of a negative mindset because I see a team making a run at a windmill at the expense of their future. Personally, I think of my mindset as objective so I don't really find your wholesale labeling of the board (and therefore me) as a bunch of miserable people to be very accurate or acceptable.

Rem

RedEye
07-19-2006, 08:49 AM
Become a useful addition to RedsZone and you will be there in no time.

M'kay... well, after an honest question, i've received the above curt response, a longer satirical response (albeit well-written), an attempt at an honest explanation (weeding out 'riff raft', which the poster then admits doesn't actually work), and a joke about the misspelling in that explanation.

Give me a break, people.

Although I may not have been here for long, may not have 200 rep points, and may not have as much 'experience' as y'all, it seems strange that I shouldn't be able to participate in a simple game thread. That, after all, seems to be the most basic type of posting in a forum like this one. Most of the recent conversation on both threads has to do with whether players got hits, whether they made nice plays in the field, and how badly Narron screwed up the last move. The only difference I can see is that one thread has 450 people viewing and the other has, well, like 10... and its boring and lonely!

Let me say that I have no problem with the policy against me posting regular threads in the ORG until 200 rep points. However, I think there is a real difference between play-by-play game conversation (the game thread) and the specialized, well-developed banter that takes place on the other ORG threads between experienced fans who've been on the site for awhile and proven their "utility". It also seems that a site like this would want to attract new members rather than alienating them by sticking them on another side of a fence yelling at the top of their lungs for no one to hear.

Why not just have one game thread in Reds Live for everyone to access? Even if I haven't proven useful to this forum thus far, I at least deserve a logical explanation, unvarnished with sarcasm. :(

smith288
07-19-2006, 08:57 AM
One way you could get to ORG is to bribe Boss... I have pictures of him. It explains my membership there. :D

remdog
07-19-2006, 09:02 AM
When this board was splitt into two groups I was adamently against it and I remain so today. One problem however is that the game threads became so long that they were virtually unreadable unless you spent three or four hours at your computer reading each post as it occured. Ever come home late and try to read through the game thread? Geez! You'll be up all night just getting through it! IMO, and this was an idea thrown out before, let one or two people do the game thread so that if someone wants to view the action as the game progresses they can easily do so. For people that want to comment as the game is in progress----USE THE CHAT ROOM!!! That's what it's intended for!!!

This board used to have a very good and active chat room before the game threads became hijacked into a psudo-chat. Maybe it's about people wanting to run up thier post counts or whatever but, IMO, the chat room is where game conversation belongs.

Rem

Chip R
07-19-2006, 09:07 AM
I'm sure this question has been asked before, so I'm showing my neophyte-ness as I write this. Anyway, is there a reason why the game thread isn't always in Reds Live?

Simple answer: Because no one has started one on Live. If you, or anyone else, don't see a game thread on Live, feel free to start one. If more than one of you gets the idea at the same time, don't worry, we'll either close one or merge the two.

REDS11
07-19-2006, 09:08 AM
New guy here. I have one question. Are you ready to see Eric Milton go?

dabvu2498
07-19-2006, 09:13 AM
USE THE CHAT ROOM!!! That's what it's intended for!!!

This board used to have a very good and active chat room before the game threads became hijacked into a psudo-chat. Maybe it's about people wanting to run up thier post counts or whatever but, IMO, the chat room is where game conversation belongs.

I've been in chat a few times during games... good crew... even the guy from Gainesville... :D You might even get involved in a trivia challenge if the game is dull.

Plus, it rewards the "instant gratification" part of one's soul.

smith288
07-19-2006, 09:14 AM
New guy here. I have on question. Are you ready to see Eric Milton go?
Not so much him. He gave us 3 run/6 innings before he ran out of gas. He aint the greatest but Narron really dropped the ball and has done it alot prior to this latest gaff by not pulling him in the 7th.

smith288
07-19-2006, 09:17 AM
When this board was splitt into two groups I was adamently against it and I remain so today. One problem however is that the game threads became so long that they were virtually unreadable unless you spent three or four hours at your computer reading each post as it occured. Ever come home late and try to read through the game thread? Geez! You'll be up all night just getting through it! IMO, and this was an idea thrown out before, let one or two people do the game thread so that if someone wants to view the action as the game progresses they can easily do so. For people that want to comment as the game is in progress----USE THE CHAT ROOM!!! That's what it's intended for!!!

This board used to have a very good and active chat room before the game threads became hijacked into a psudo-chat. Maybe it's about people wanting to run up thier post counts or whatever but, IMO, the chat room is where game conversation belongs.

Rem
I continue to support the two forums.

Game threads are conversations about the game as if you were next to your friend at the game. It will be different in the ORG than live because the ORG is like people you know. Live! is like folks whi share the same interests but arent really familiar with each other. Its a different feel and tone.

If you want details on how the game went down, I suggest ESPN or MLB.com with the scoring summary.

Of course this has been argued ad nasuem here.

Unassisted
07-19-2006, 09:17 AM
Rem's recollection matches mine. Much of the chat in the single game thread down here did not need to be preserved for all time, since there were pages and pages of 40 posts where only a couple were even discussing the game. There's still plenty of asides in the current game threads, but at least there's less of it on ORG. Some people read the game thread after the fact to find out what happened during the game. It's not fair to them if half the posts are debating whether Jennifer Aniston is hotter than Jennifer Garner and another third are keeping a running tally of George Grande's references to the Cards.

If I want to discuss anything and everything in addition to the game, I go to chat during the game. It's a fun place to be, it's truer to live action and it beats refreshing a game thread every few seconds. If I want to get reactions to things that happen in the game, I go to the game thread. A massive free-wheeling 30-page thread that everyone can participate in is just a waste of costly board resources, IMO.

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:17 AM
[QUOTE=remdog]When this board was splitt into two groups I was adamently against it and I remain so today. One problem however is that the game threads became so long that they were virtually unreadable unless you spent three or four hours at your computer reading each post as it occured. Ever come home late and try to read through the game thread? Geez! You'll be up all night just getting through it! IMO, and this was an idea thrown out before, let one or two people do the game thread so that if someone wants to view the action as the game progresses they can easily do so. For people that want to comment as the game is in progress----USE THE CHAT ROOM!!! That's what it's intended for!!!

This board used to have a very good and active chat room before the game threads became hijacked into a psudo-chat. Maybe it's about people wanting to run up thier post counts or whatever but, IMO, the chat room is where game conversation belongs.

Rem[/QUOTE

Thanks, Rem. I visited there once, but was not satisfied with what was going on. I do agree with you, however, that the chat room should be more like the quality of the game thread. It just isn't. Still... no real solution to my problem, but thanks for the honest response.

smith288
07-19-2006, 09:19 AM
Most of the time, the Chat is dead as a doorknob so I leave.

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:22 AM
Simple answer: Because no one has started one on Live. If you, or anyone else, don't see a game thread on Live, feel free to start one. If more than one of you gets the idea at the same time, don't worry, we'll either close one or merge the two.

Um, that's just not true. The LIVE game threads do get started... every night over the past week I've been posting there. But it gets pretty dumb when I feel like I'm just talking to myself.

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:25 AM
Rem's recollection matches mine. Much of the chat in the single game thread down here did not need to be preserved for all time, since there were pages and pages of 40 posts where only a couple were even discussing the game. There's still plenty of asides in the current game threads, but at least there's less of it on ORG. Some people read the game thread after the fact to find out what happened during the game. It's not fair to them if half the posts are debating whether Jennifer Aniston is hotter than Jennifer Garner and another third are keeping a running tally of George Grande's references to the Cards.

If I want to discuss anything and everything in addition to the game, I go to chat during the game. It's a fun place to be, it's truer to live action and it beats refreshing a game thread every few seconds. If I want to get reactions to things that happen in the game, I go to the game thread. A massive free-wheeling 30-page thread that everyone can participate in is just a waste of costly board resources, IMO.

Also not my point. I have little interest in Jennifer Garner or Jennifer Aniston when I'm on a game thread. I'm on this friggin' board in the first place because I want to talk about the Reds. I've been to chat, and it is never as lively or interesting as the game thread... and the only option I'm left with is the echo chamber that is the Reds Live game thread. Makes me want to take my ball and go home.

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:28 AM
I continue to support the two forums.

Game threads are conversations about the game as if you were next to your friend at the game. It will be different in the ORG than live because the ORG is like people you know. Live! is like folks whi share the same interests but arent really familiar with each other. Its a different feel and tone.

If you want details on how the game went down, I suggest ESPN or MLB.com with the scoring summary.

Of course this has been argued ad nasuem here.

100% agreed. And as a new member, the different "feel and tone" makes me feel like I'm sitting in the bloody nose seats trying to scream at a bunch of people in the luxury box.

Again, I want to emphasize that I like the separate boards... it's a unique aspect of this forum and one that makes me more motivated to post well. I just don't like the separate game threads because to me that's a different type of activity.

The idea that I'm posting on the game thread just to run up my post count is, well, ridiculous and rather offensive.

Unassisted
07-19-2006, 09:31 AM
Also not my point. I have little interest in Jennifer Garner or Jennifer Aniston when I'm on a game thread. I'm on this friggin' board in the first place because I want to talk about the Reds. I've been to chat, and it is never as lively or interesting as the game thread... and the only option I'm left with is the echo chamber that is the Reds Live game thread. Makes me want to take my ball and go home.You're halfway to qualifying for ORG in 5 months on the board, so obviously someone thinks you're making a positive contribution. Keep doing what you're doing and maybe you'll be up there by the end of the season.

I have to admit that openly questioning the choices of the majority who came before ye makes me reluctant to contribute positively to your rep.

remdog
07-19-2006, 09:32 AM
I continue to support the two forums.

Game threads are conversations about the game as if you were next to your friend at the game. It will be different in the ORG than live because the ORG is like people you know. Live! is like folks whi share the same interests but arent really familiar with each other. Its a different feel and tone.

If you want details on how the game went down, I suggest ESPN or MLB.com with the scoring summary.

Of course this has been argued ad nasuem here.

I respect your opinion Smitty. I will say though that, when the chat room is active, it's more like a party at the local pub 'cause everyone is talking and joking and having a good time but can also throw in serious comments about the game as the action unfolds.

Being on the Left Coast with the time difference (as well as my off-kilter work schedule) makes it hard for me to get to chat during the game but, on the occassions that I have gotten there and the room was busy it's been great fun! It just seems to me that it could be a great resource for everyone while not burning bandwith with 30 page game threads.

Just my opinion, of course.

Rem

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:36 AM
You're halfway to qualifying for ORG in 5 months on the board, so obviously someone thinks you're making a positive contribution. Keep doing what you're doing and maybe you'll be up there by the end of the season.

I have to admit that openly questioning the choices of the majority who came before ye makes me reluctant to contribute positively to your rep.

Is that a threat? Shut up or ship out? Wow... not what I expected from this kind of question at all. Learn something every day.

I'm not sure how I would make my opinions or my voice heard other than 'openly' questioning the majority. Would you rather a personal message be sent to every member over 200 rep points?

Unbelievable.

smith288
07-19-2006, 09:36 AM
I respect your opinion Smitty. I will say though that, when the chat room is active, it's more like a party at the local pub 'cause everyone is talking and joking and having a good time but can also throw in serious comments about the game as the action unfolds.

Being on the Left Coast with the time difference (as well as my off-kilter work schedule) makes it hard for me to get to chat during the game but, on the occassions that I have gotten there and the room was busy it's been great fun! It just seems to me that it could be a great resource for everyone while not burning bandwith with 30 page game threads.

Just my opinion, of course.

Rem
I agree, I have been there at chat when it has been hopping. It is indeed fun. I think the difference for me is that I usually am working so going between game thread and work is much more easier to follow than a live chat that is 900 mph conversation and if ignored for 3 seconds, you are out of the loop.

smith288
07-19-2006, 09:38 AM
Is that a threat? Shut up or ship out? Wow... not what I expected from this kind of question at all. Learn something every day.

I'm not sure how I would make my opinions or my voice heard other than 'openly' questioning the majority. Would you rather a personal message be sent to every member over 200 rep points?

Unbelievable.
I didnt read that when he posted that. Talk about taking what you want from a post. He is saying that you have done well thus far in gaining reputation but is reluctant to help you much more if all you are going to do is criticize our policy we have established here.

remdog
07-19-2006, 09:39 AM
I agree, I have been there at chat when it has been hopping. It is indeed fun. I think the difference for me is that I usually am working so going between game thread and work is much more easier to follow than a live chat that is 900 mph conversation and if ignored for 3 seconds, you are out of the loop.

Agreed. I've experienced that too and it's ummm....less than ideal. The solution is to work less, I guess. :laugh:

Rem

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:39 AM
Is that a threat? Shut up or ship out? Wow... not what I expected from this kind of question at all. Learn something every day.

I'm not sure how I would make my opinions or my voice heard other than 'openly' questioning the majority. Would you rather a personal message be sent to every member over 200 rep points?

Unbelievable.

I'd also like to point out that my problem has NOTHING to do with the fact that I am not yet in ORG. I'm perfectly satisfied with the discussion that I get from threads on Reds Live so far with one BIG exception... the game thread. Were there a viable game thread on Reds Live for every Reds game (an no, chat doesn't cut it as a replacement) this would not be an issue at all for me.

remdog
07-19-2006, 09:41 AM
(an no, chat doesn't cut it as a replacement) this would not be an issue at all for me.

How about taking a lead and helping to make chat a place that does cut it?

Rem

Chip R
07-19-2006, 09:43 AM
Um, that's just not true. The LIVE game threads do get started... every night over the past week I've been posting there. But it gets pretty dumb when I feel like I'm just talking to myself.

That's not what you said. You asked why the game thread isn't always on Reds Live and I said that that is because no one has started one. I have seen plenty of nights - and days - where there hasn't been a game thread on Reds Live. Now whether people participate in a game thread that has been started is another question and the answer can only be supplied by those that choose not to participate in the game thread. You may feel awfully dumb talking to yourself but rest assured there are others who feel the same way. Perhaps if you would post in those game threads, others would follow suit.

smith288
07-19-2006, 09:46 AM
Agreed. I've experienced that too and it's ummm....less than ideal. The solution is to work less, I guess. :laugh:

Rem
Now you're just talking crazy...

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:51 AM
That's not what you said. You asked why the game thread isn't always on Reds Live and I said that that is because no one has started one. I have seen plenty of nights - and days - where there hasn't been a game thread on Reds Live. Now whether people participate in a game thread that has been started is another question and the answer can only be supplied by those that choose not to participate in the game thread. You may feel awfully dumb talking to yourself but rest assured there are others who feel the same way. Perhaps if you would post in those game threads, others would follow suit.

Good point. I'll try that next time. Perhaps I'm mostly frustrated because last night I posted quite a few times in a row... to myself.

Thanks to everyone for the eventual answers, everyone. And sorry to raise this (apparently quite old) question again.

RedEye
07-19-2006, 09:58 AM
I didnt read that when he posted that. Talk about taking what you want from a post. He is saying that you have done well thus far in gaining reputation but is reluctant to help you much more if all you are going to do is criticize our policy we have established here.

And if you look at my (albeit modest) post history, you'll see that this is the first time I have questioned anything about how the establishment runs. I've enjoyed my time here, and all I'm trying to do is make this a better functioning community for all involved. I was under the impression that questioning the norms of any institution from time to time is something that promotes healthy growth for all those involved. And, as a member of any community, that's what I've always tried to do. Rather that than suffer in silence... even if it means that some members will be "reluctant" to give me rep points.

smith288
07-19-2006, 10:01 AM
And if you look at my (albeit modest) post history, you'll see that this is the first time I have questioned anything about how the establishment runs. I've enjoyed my time here, and all I'm trying to do is make this a better functioning community for all involved. I was under the impression that questioning the norms of any institution from time to time is something that promotes healthy growth for all those involved. And, as a member of any community, that's what I've always tried to do. Rather that than suffer in silence... even if it means that some members will be "reluctant" to give me rep points.
Am I going to find you in virtual bell bottoms and birkenstocks fighting the RedsZone establishment?? ;)

remdog
07-19-2006, 10:02 AM
Am I going to find you in virtual bell bottoms and birkenstocks fighting the RedsZone establishment?? ;)

I thought that was the establishment! :laugh:

Rem

RedEye
07-19-2006, 10:29 AM
Am I going to find you in virtual bell bottoms and birkenstocks fighting the RedsZone establishment?? ;)

Nah... I used to sport a grunge look around 10 years ago, which I thought was kind of like a latter-day hippie look (hiking boots, two hoop earrings, a Stone Temple Pilots beard, and lots of flannel) but now I'm basically just your everyday cargo shorts-polo shirt kind of preppy grad student. That's perhaps why I have to express the radical nature of my personality via a baseball fan website. Oh well, at least the team I support is the "Reds". ;)

smith288
07-19-2006, 10:38 AM
I hope being a hippy and supporting a communist regime arent mutually inclusive or that really solidifies my thoughts about a couple politicians.... Ill leave it at that. ;)

RedEye
07-19-2006, 10:43 AM
I hope being a hippy and supporting a communist regime arent mutually inclusive or that really solidifies my thoughts about a couple politicians.... Ill leave it at that. ;)

Certainly not. I like to think of them as two big, circles of influence. They overlap in parts, but there are large parts of both that do not. :D

smith288
07-19-2006, 10:52 AM
Certainly not. I like to think of them as two big, circles of influence. They overlap in parts, but there are large parts of both that do not. :D
OK... With that, I say "Go RedLEGS"

RedEye
07-19-2006, 11:00 AM
OK... With that, I say "Go RedLEGS"

I think it's time we ask all members of RedsZone one simple question: "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Rich Aurilia fan club?"

smith288
07-19-2006, 12:08 PM
I think it's time we ask all members of RedsZone one simple question: "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Rich Aurilia fan club?"
I think currently, the question should be asked is this:

"Are you, or have you ever been a member of the Jerry Narron fan club?"

griffeyfreak4
07-19-2006, 01:35 PM
A game thread with no commentary, only play-by-play. Sounds *yawn* exciting to follow.

Please give me a break. A game-thread is made to discuss the game, and the team. Just because it's not a continual PBP doesn't mean it's being hijacked. Jeez just use mlb.com or espn.com for a pbp.

remdog
07-19-2006, 01:48 PM
Well 4, I can see by your tag that you enjoy wadeing through multiple pages of: :D, :jump:, :rockband:, :runawaycr, :wave:, OK! , YES!, Boo!, ummmm, no, Hi Creek, Hello!, and so on. Have a good time.....:)

Rem

Chip R
07-19-2006, 03:02 PM
Well 4, I can see by your tag that you enjoy wadeing through multiple pages of: :D, :jump:, :rockband:, :runawaycr, :wave:, OK! , YES!, Boo!, ummmm, no, Hi Creek, Hello!, and so on. Have a good time.....:)

Rem

To each their own.

Benny-Distefano
07-19-2006, 03:07 PM
I still dont know if Chip R is a mod or a rocker...

If only there was some way on this page to find out. :(

pedro
07-19-2006, 03:08 PM
It was done to make rem angry. Not that it was really necessary. ;)

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 03:15 PM
Maybe you should take a break and read the board for an extended period of time before you pee on everyone's cornflakes. The optimism and pessimism ebbs and flows here over time. For instance, from time to time I've been accused of being overly optimistic but I'm currently of a negative mindset because I see a team making a run at a windmill at the expense of their future. Personally, I think of my mindset as objective so I don't really find your wholesale labeling of the board (and therefore me) as a bunch of miserable people to be very accurate or acceptable.


Ok..thanks for you opinion. I will now return to having my own. I didn't think you had to be here for some pre-determined period of time before you were allowed to comment on certian subjects.

I find it interesting that people are allowed to comment about "scrappy vets", "EE not playing", "Narron is an idiot", "Milton sucks", "George Grande is the worst broadcaster ever" and a myrid of other topics adnausem. Unless I am mistaken, which is possible, I don't remember too many people saying "those topics are worn out".

Yet, if I post a satrical commentary on the current overall negative landscape of the board I'm dumping on people and "peeing on their wheaties". Is the message here that I'm entitled to my opinion as long as it agrees with the current majority?

It's really interesting to me that those who are labled "pie in the sky" (my phrase) are written off as drinking the koolaide, "not objective", too optimistic, not "deep thinkers" or "those who don't think three dimentionally". Yet if you poke fun at the negitive nature of the board, or some, then LOOK OUT! People get really testy really quickly then. Very odd.



Personally, I think of my mindset as objective So my mindset is not objective? Is that what we are to infer from your comment?

Benny-Distefano
07-19-2006, 03:26 PM
Is the message here that I'm entitled to my opinion as long as it agrees with the current majority?




Pretty much. Thats the whole point of the ratings system I thought. If you say something that someone disagrees with, whether you are right or wrong, you could get negative rep points.

Example:

Ltlabner: The moon is made of rock.
OldRedszonePoster: No it isnt. The moon is made of cream cheese. Have some negative rep points.




Or, you can say something completely stupid, but if the right idiot agrees with you, you get positive rep points


Example:

BennyD: Sure, I think George Grande is a terrible announcer. But did you ever notice that he only smiles with the right side of his face?
OldRedszonePoster: Woah man, you are soooooooooooo right. Have some rep points!!




People come and go here because of the "fraternity mentality" but in all honesty, whatever it takes to weed out the schmucks, I am all for it. Even if it does mean I cant upload my signed 1987 Topps Benny Distefano for my avatar. Or maybe I really am Benny D... :cool: No, I'm really not...hehe

GOREDSGO32
07-19-2006, 03:34 PM
I find it a little cold you have to have a certain amount of posts and reputation, which all hinges on the ability of some other member to take time to give you points - to be on another board. Silly if you ask me. I'll stick here with the REAL fans. I guess its kinda like being in a luxury boxes getting a manicure or down with the real fans watching the game .. ;)

PS - My points were 91 at this point, I hear its a bear market though ;)

remdog
07-19-2006, 03:38 PM
To each their own.

And that was my point. :p:

Rem

remdog
07-19-2006, 03:41 PM
It was done to make rem angry. Not that it was really necessary. ;)

Ah pedro, aren't you sweet. And I thought you never cared. I'm sorry. :)

Rem

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 03:43 PM
Chat, where I spend most of my time durring games, can be very hit or miss. It really depends on how many people are in the room and if you like the fast paced and random flow of the conversations. I do, but not everybody does.

Frankly, and I know this is controversial, I think people have a great oportunity to build the Reds Live game thread to be exactly what it is they want it to be. Most of the the people who want a game thread to be a "certian way" (and that's not a value statement) have made it to ORG. But since Reds Live GT is pretty empty if people want it to be mostly game related comments...no problem. A constant gripe session...no problem. A place for stats to fly back and forth, no problem.

I can hear what the original poster is saying, that it's a drag to post to yourself, but for those who want to post in a game thread, and have the game thread to have a particular "feal" then it's a perfect opportunity to build such a thread.

smith288
07-19-2006, 03:48 PM
Whats more cold is to have a thread filled with

"Dunn sucks...all he does is strike out..."

"Milton is the worst... He likes terrorists"

"Visit my site: www. blahblah.com"

GOREDSGO32
07-19-2006, 03:54 PM
I don't see any advertising ... and Milton does suck .. how is that an offendable comment? ;)

smith288
07-19-2006, 03:55 PM
I don't see any advertising ... and Milton does suck .. how is that an offendable comment? ;)
I just mean that any 'mo can come in and make a bunch of annoying remarks in live! so the move cut that sort of stuff out since its easier to police on ORG.

And yea...Milton stinks.

remdog
07-19-2006, 03:56 PM
Ok..thanks for you opinion. I will now return to having my own. I didn't think you had to be here for some pre-determined period of time before you were allowed to comment on certian subjects.

I find it interesting that people are allowed to comment about "scrappy vets", "EE not playing", "Narron is an idiot", "Milton sucks", "George Grande is the worst broadcaster ever" and a myrid of other topics adnausem. Unless I am mistaken, which is possible, I don't remember too many people saying "those topics are worn out".

Yet, if I post a satrical commentary on the current overall negative landscape of the board I'm dumping on people and "peeing on their wheaties". Is the message here that I'm entitled to my opinion as long as it agrees with the current majority?

It's really interesting to me that those who are labled "pie in the sky" (my phrase) are written off as drinking the koolaide, "not objective", too optimistic, not "deep thinkers" or "those who don't think three dimentionally". Yet if you poke fun at the negitive nature of the board, or some, then LOOK OUT! People get really testy really quickly then. Very odd.


So my mindset is not objective? Is that what we are to infer from your comment?

Please get it correct. It was cornflakes, not Wheaties. Big difference. :p:

As for my comment, you can infer anything you want but then you were the one trashing the people here so you decide. You certainly didn't have any problem jumping on Puffy in the game thread either.

Gee, two whole months here and you're already tired of things getting 'old'. Try six years of watching attitude come and go on here. And yes, a lot of people have said those topics are worn out. Did you think that you were the first person here to have that original thought? If you had read the board more you would have known that. You want to be the bull in the china shop, have at it. Just don't expect me to appreciate it.

Rem

zombie-a-go-go
07-19-2006, 04:02 PM
I love these threads. It fills my heart with, like, glee and other glee-like substances to see how we can all get along as a happy family (cue Ramones).

Everything's been beaten to death. There's nothing new under the sun. If you think you've come up with an original idea, you're wrong.

And here at RedsZone, we'll affirm your wrongness over and over and over again.

Then we'll get drunk and relieve ourselves in bowls of various breakfast cereals.

Love the RedsZone. :)

smith288
07-19-2006, 04:03 PM
I love these threads. It fills my heart with, like, glee and other glee-like substances to see how we can all get along as a happy family (cue Ramones).

Everything's been beaten to death. There's nothing new under the sun. If you think you've come up with an original idea, you're wrong.

And here at RedsZone, we'll affirm your wrongness over and over and over again.

Then we'll get drunk and relieve ourselves in bowls of various breakfast cereals.

Love the RedsZone. :)
Awesome aint it mike?

zombie-a-go-go
07-19-2006, 04:05 PM
Awesome aint it mike?

It makes me The Happy! :)

We're all dysfunctional. Even me. Learn it, live it, love it. :)

remdog
07-19-2006, 04:07 PM
Pretty much. Thats the whole point of the ratings system I thought. If you say something that someone disagrees with, whether you are right or wrong, you could get negative rep points.

Example:

Ltlabner: The moon is made of rock.
OldRedszonePoster: No it isnt. The moon is made of cream cheese. Have some negative rep points.




Or, you can say something completely stupid, but if the right idiot agrees with you, you get positive rep points


Example:

BennyD: Sure, I think George Grande is a terrible announcer. But did you ever notice that he only smiles with the right side of his face?
OldRedszonePoster: Woah man, you are soooooooooooo right. Have some rep points!!




People come and go here because of the "fraternity mentality" but in all honesty, whatever it takes to weed out the schmucks, I am all for it. Even if it does mean I cant upload my signed 1987 Topps Benny Distefano for my avatar. Or maybe I really am Benny D... :cool: No, I'm really not...hehe

Ya' know Benny, I'm not in favor of the rep points either. I've never negged anyone on this board (although some people claim that's what makes the system work) because I don't think it's right nor effective. I do give rep points very selectively but usually there are days and days in between such awards. Personally, I think rep points is too devisive and some people equate thier points with superiority----that goes for post counts too. If it were up to me, I'd get rid of the rep points, post counts and divided board altogether. (shrug)

Rem

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 04:09 PM
We're all dysfunctional. Even me. Learn it, live it, love it. :)
New RZ motto right here

zombie-a-go-go
07-19-2006, 04:10 PM
I have to disagree with you on one point, rem; obviously rep points don't correlate well with superiority, because there are actually some people on this board with more points than me. :cool:

Either that, or it's broken! RedsZone is broken! O terrible day!

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 04:10 PM
I find it a little cold you have to have a certain amount of posts and reputation, which all hinges on the ability of some other member to take time to give you points - to be on another board. Silly if you ask me. I'll stick here with the REAL fans. I guess its kinda like being in a luxury boxes getting a manicure or down with the real fans watching the game .. ;)

PS - My points were 91 at this point, I hear its a bear market though ;)

Save for the original cast and crew, just about all of us went through the process. It works best if you just go about your business, contribute some cogent thoughts as you see fit, and let the behind the scenes stuff work itself out

Like it or not, its a system that makes this place a better more interesting read than reds.com or espn.com's Reds message boards. I'm for whatever keeps things that way.

pedro
07-19-2006, 04:11 PM
Ah pedro, aren't you sweet. And I thought you never cared. I'm sorry. :)

Rem


I'm just full of ......um....surprises aren't I?

remdog
07-19-2006, 04:11 PM
I have to disagree with you on one point, rem; obviously rep points don't correlate well with superiority, because there are actually some people on this board with more points than me. :cool:

Either that, or it's broken! RedsZone is broken! O terrible day!

I sit corrected. :)

Rem

smith288
07-19-2006, 04:13 PM
We're all equal. Just some of us are more equal than others.

GOREDSGO32
07-19-2006, 04:25 PM
Save for the original cast and crew, just about all of us went through the process. It works best if you just go about your business, contribute some cogent thoughts as you see fit, and let the behind the scenes stuff work itself out

Like it or not, its a system that makes this place a better more interesting read than reds.com or espn.com's Reds message boards. I'm for whatever keeps things that way.

Actually its fine with me, even if I 'qualify', I think I'll stay on this board with the 'peasants'.

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 04:30 PM
Gee, two whole months here and you're already tired of things getting 'old'. Try six years of watching attitude come and go on here. And yes, a lot of people have said those topics are worn out. Did you think that you were the first person here to have that original thought? If you had read the board more you would have known that. You want to be the bull in the china shop, have at it. Just don't expect me to appreciate it.

So is that the magic number for being allowed to have an opinion on the subject then, six years?

I didn't realize that a satrical post about the general negativity latley is so "bull in the china shop". Nor did I realize that commenting on Puffys attitude was "jumping all over him". It's ok for some here to be condescending as hell, and downright obniouxous defending their opinions, but if someone who's "only been here 2 months" dares make a comment then we got problems? Is that the point you are making?

Ltlabner
07-19-2006, 04:34 PM
Save for the original cast and crew, just about all of us went through the process. It works best if you just go about your business, contribute some cogent thoughts as you see fit, and let the behind the scenes stuff work itself out

Like it or not, its a system that makes this place a better more interesting read than reds.com or espn.com's Reds message boards. I'm for whatever keeps things that way.

Goreds...trust me, CE is right. If you focus on making good posts, no matter what your opinions, you will get the rep you are seeking. The more effort you put into making thoughtfull posts, the quicker the number rack up.

I know this has been an issue for you before, and you have every right to feal how you do, but there are some here who able to get rep very quickly despite rarely agreeing with the majority.

GOREDSGO32
07-19-2006, 04:38 PM
I probably would, but it seems to be some people take away points if you have a different opinion. I posted in a thread once about Marty and said I liked how blunt he was and how he told it like it is, and my rep points went down like 20. Yup great stuff. Then the people who dock you points don't ever say anything to you, they just do it, then run away .. I guess like chickens.

To get points you have to:

1) Hate Marty, say he's an arrogant old SOB that should retire
2) Say Krivsky messed up the trade, we should have gotten Pedro, Ichiro, and ARod out of the deal
3) Hate anyone on the team over the age of 35. Aurilia, Clayton, anyone else ... that means you
4) Use trendy statistics like OBP OPB ODE ONE RED LEG, etc to prove points

There that should get me rep points.

RedEye
07-19-2006, 06:36 PM
Holy cow... I made my last post, went to teach class and came back to like 50 more rep points with the thread still going fairly strong. Ah, the irony. Thanks to all who bequeathed them upon lil' ole me. :)

Hmmm... now what other nerve can I strike in order to get the 33 points I still need to get in the Club? :D

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 06:42 PM
Hmmm... now what other nerve can I strike in order to get the 33 points I still need to get in the Club? :D
Cash :devil:

Nugget
07-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Going back to the original question, from what I remember, its why are there two posts and why isn't the main one in Reds Live. When the board was originally split the game thread was in ORG, then there was two. When there were two it was resolved that better use of bandwith was to reduce it to one which was in Reds Live. A couple of months ago there was a debate that the quality of the game thread had suffered from being in Reds Live (for the reasons given by rem) and it was decided that the game thread would once again be divided into two.

paintmered
07-19-2006, 09:48 PM
Going back to the original question, from what I remember, its why are there two posts and why isn't the main one in Reds Live. When the board was originally split the game thread was in ORG, then there was two. When there were two it was resolved that better use of bandwith was to reduce it to one which was in Reds Live. A couple of months ago there was a debate that the quality of the game thread had suffered from being in Reds Live (for the reasons given by rem) and it was decided that the game thread would once again be divided into two.

Parallel threads are once again allowed because ORG became well......a ghost town. This includes game threads. Once upon a time, anything worth discussing was discussed in RL. The policy was changed and now ORG is active again.

Activity is fairly equal between the two forums now.

919191
07-20-2006, 01:50 AM
I probably would, but it seems to be some people take away points if you have a different opinion. I posted in a thread once about Marty and said I liked how blunt he was and how he told it like it is, and my rep points went down like 20. Yup great stuff. Then the people who dock you points don't ever say anything to you, they just do it, then run away .. I guess like chickens.

To get points you have to:

1) Hate Marty, say he's an arrogant old SOB that should retire
2) Say Krivsky messed up the trade, we should have gotten Pedro, Ichiro, and ARod out of the deal
3) Hate anyone on the team over the age of 35. Aurilia, Clayton, anyone else ... that means you
4) Use trendy statistics like OBP OPB ODE ONE RED LEG, etc to prove points


No. just show that some work and thought went into your post. or make me see things differently, and you'll get my positive rep points. Or make me laugh. Whine about rep points and I'll usually give negative rep. I hate threads and posts about rep.

There that should get me rep points.

smith288
07-20-2006, 09:47 AM
I never neg people unless its rep whining and it has to be blatant and ugly rep whining.

People who neg for opinions are borderline aholes. Might not even be borderline.

griffeyfreak4
07-20-2006, 11:53 AM
My goal when I post is not to gain rep points, I just say what I want to say. If people like it, ok, if they don't, ok. I don't sit here and try to impress people to get into ORG.

indyred
07-20-2006, 12:07 PM
I guess I don't mind the 2 boards. I go and read the stuff on org and post here. But there are some people who will jump down your throat if you make a post at times. I once posted how on Reds pregame before Indians game that BP said in the interview that he still wished he was on the Indians. I got all kinds of heat and negs for it. Even when few people came in the thread and backed me that is what he said. I guess I learned the hard way there. I bet if someone who has been here a long time started that thread they wouldn't have been hammered. But overall I think this is a great site, very active and some very funny posters.