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RedLegSuperStar
07-19-2006, 05:21 PM
A couple more tasty Tejada nuggets: The Reds kicked the tires on the superstar shortstop, but a deal couldn't be completed without including stud pitcher Homer Bailey. In my opinion, if the Reds are really going for the gold this year, they should've pulled the trigger.

This from mlbtraderumors.com

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 05:25 PM
If true, I'm not sure I understand at all Krivsky's reticence. Acquiring Tejada all but seals a Reds' victory in the Central.

I'd be much happier with Tejada, Lopez, no Bailey, and one reliever acquired with Kearns, than no Tejada, no Lopez, and two relievers acquired by Kearns and Lopez.

registerthis
07-19-2006, 05:25 PM
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48824

RedLegSuperStar
07-19-2006, 05:26 PM
So maybe the deal that was comming off the ESPN message boards had some life to it. I am glad the Reds didn't pull that trigger. Homer may or may not be the ace everyone thinks he is, but Tejada isn't everything he is made out to be as his numbers have declined since his MVP year. Speculation has him linked to steroids and giving up probably Felipe Lopez, Homer Bailey, and i'm sure others were mentioned for Miggy. Miggy is just getting up there in age and this team can sign vets in the offseason without giving up the farm to aquire them.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 05:37 PM
. . .but Tejada isn't everything he is made out to be as his numbers have declined since his MVP year.


Year AB H 2B 3B HR BB K AVG OBP SLG
2000 607 167 32 1 30 66 102 275 349 479
2001 622 166 31 3 31 43 89 267 326 476
2002 662 204 30 0 34 38 84 308 354 508
2003 636 177 42 0 27 53 65 278 336 472
2004 653 203 40 2 34 48 73 311 360 534
2005 654 199 50 5 26 40 83 304 349 515
2006 386 121 20 0 18 28 41 313 364 505

06 Pace 645 202 33 0 30 47 68 313 364 505

Career 5277 1491 301 18 234 403 739 283 339 479

Avg 630 178 36 2 28 48 88 283 339 479

what decline?

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 05:38 PM
If true, I'm not sure I understand at all Krivsky's reticence. Acquiring Tejada all but seals a Reds' victory in the Central.
No way...

Puffy
07-19-2006, 05:41 PM
Year AB H 2B 3B HR BB K AVG OBP SLG
2000 607 167 32 1 30 66 102 275 349 479
2001 622 166 31 3 31 43 89 267 326 476
2002 662 204 30 0 34 38 84 308 354 508
2003 636 177 42 0 27 53 65 278 336 472
2004 653 203 40 2 34 48 73 311 360 534
2005 654 199 50 5 26 40 83 304 349 515
2006 386 121 20 0 18 28 41 313 364 505

06 Pace 645 202 33 0 30 47 68 313 364 505

Career 5277 1491 301 18 234 403 739 283 339 479

Avg 630 178 36 2 28 48 88 283 339 479

what decline?

Sign me up for that decline any day of the week.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 05:41 PM
No way...
why not? Denorfia and Freel in right can almost match Kearns' offense while at minimum mantaining his defense, while Tejada compensates not only for Lopez's lost offense, but any difference lost in the Runs Created by right field. at the same time, he vastly improves the defense at short over any option the Reds have in their entire system...even Bergolla or Olmedo.

if Krivsky's wanting to win this year, Tejada is the perfect target.

registerthis
07-19-2006, 05:44 PM
No way...

It may not seal it, but the Cards would certainly be looking over their shoulders.

redsmetz
07-19-2006, 05:45 PM
if Krivsky's wanting to win this year, Tejada is the perfect target.

I've been one to say go for it this year but not at the cost of the future. Tejada would be a tremendous player to have, but I'm not ready to give up Bailey. That's been the MO of the past. I'd like to see someone finally come through our system as a good starter. Tom Browing was a long time ago.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 05:47 PM
I've been one to say go for it this year but not at the cost of the future. Tejada would be a tremendous player to have, but I'm not ready to give up Bailey. That's been the MO of the past. I'd like to see someone finally come through our system as a good starter. Tom Browing was a long time ago.
i'd rather build for the future as well, but the Reds are still in the race, and Krivsky seems somewhat undecided on wheather to unleash Hell or to build a team that can contend for more than one year in a row.

edabbs44
07-19-2006, 05:48 PM
why not? Denorfia and Freel in right can almost match Kearns' offense while at minimum mantaining his defense, while Tejada compensates not only for Lopez's lost offense, but any difference lost in the Runs Created by right field. at the same time, he vastly improves the defense at short over any option the Reds have in their entire system...even Bergolla or Olmedo.

if Krivsky's wanting to win this year, Tejada is the perfect target.
It still doesn't fix the rotation. And I'm not sold on the BP anyway. I'd rather have Bailey.

Reds4Life
07-19-2006, 05:50 PM
If the O's are asking for those types of guys in return for Miggy they better be playing a huge chunk of his contract or he won't be moving anywhere.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 05:55 PM
It still doesn't fix the rotation. And I'm not sold on the BP anyway. I'd rather have Bailey.
improving the defense from average in right to good (in Denorfia) and slightly above average (Freel) and at short from bad to outstanding is going to aid the rotation, especially Harang and Arroyo who are actually good. the BP will benefit a lot more from Tejada than the starters because none of the starters are what would be considered groundball pitchers, but most of the bullpen is.

i would expect to see about 1/4 of run drop in ERA for the BP like that. i still think they would get crushed in the playoffs, but they'd almost assuredly get there.

redsfan30
07-19-2006, 05:58 PM
Someone said this on the other thread and I couldn't agree more.

With all the streroid rumors floating around Tejada, I'll pass.

RedlegJake
07-19-2006, 06:09 PM
i would expect to see about 1/4 of run drop in ERA for the BP like that. i still think they would get crushed in the playoffs, but they'd almost assuredly get there.

I agree with everything thing you've said except getting crushed. In the NL, the Reds could win it all this year, nobody particularly looks intimidating. Yes, they might lose handily but I don't think that's a given. If they did surprise and make it to the Series however, the AL champion would do the crushing. The NL is downright embarrassing in comparison this season.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 06:13 PM
I agree with everything thing you've said except getting crushed. In the NL, the Reds could win it all this year, nobody particularly looks intimidating. Yes, they might lose handily but I don't think that's a given. If they did surprise and make it to the Series however, the AL champion would do the crushing. The NL is downright embarrassing in comparison this season.
i think you misunderstand why i think they'd get crushed.

it's the only having two worth while starters, Arroyo's BABIP normalizing (not that he'll be all that bad after it does), the league adjusting to EZ as well as him rapidly approaching a stamina wall, Eric Milton adding 3 more months of fatigue to his body, ect.

i believe Tejada propels the Reds into the playoffs, but they would need an actual good pitcher to insert into the rotation.

OldRightHander
07-19-2006, 06:20 PM
Acquiring Tejada all but seals a Reds' victory in the Central.



He can pitch?

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 06:22 PM
He can pitch?

The Reds have the pitching to compete with the rest of this division. They need an impact bat--good OB + contact. I still believe this team is missing a great contact bat with power. That's Miggy in a nutshell.

Caveat Emperor
07-19-2006, 06:25 PM
The Reds have the pitching to compete with the rest of this division. They need an impact bat--good OB + contact. I still believe this team is missing a great contact bat with power. That's Miggy in a nutshell.

True...but if we're gonna pick Miggys w/ contact and power and trade the jewel of the minor leagues to get him, I'd rather have Miggy Cabrera than Miggy Tejada.

WVRed
07-19-2006, 06:25 PM
The Reds have the pitching to compete with the rest of this division. They need an impact bat--good OB + contact. I still believe this team is missing a great contact bat with power. That's Miggy in a nutshell.

They still need to hope the bullpen situation resolves itself.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 06:26 PM
True...but if we're gonna pick Miggys w/ contact and power and trade the jewel of the minor leagues to get him, I'd rather have Miggy Cabrera than Miggy Tejada.

I would too, but I don't think Cabrera's going anywhere.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 06:28 PM
I would too, but I don't think Cabrera's going anywhere.
i agree.

i think it would take a "Richie Sexson" kind of deal to get Cabrera.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 06:29 PM
i agree.

i think it would take a "Richie Sexson" kind of deal to get Cabrera.

Exactly. I'd rather part with money than player commodities, when able.

PuffyPig
07-19-2006, 06:29 PM
No team is a certainty to be crushed in the playoffs or the Woprld Series.

The best teams in baseball lose 40% of the time, the worst win 40%.

What the playoffs has taught us over the last 10 years is that to win the World Series, you need to make the playoffs. Teams with great starters (the Braves) have consistently lost, even though having great starters increases your chance.

Get in the playoffs and it's a crap shoot. If Harang and Arroyo were as hot in those playoffs as they were earlier in the season, we'd have a shot. And that's all we are going to get.

Krusty
07-19-2006, 06:29 PM
If the Angels don't get Soriano, I see them making a pitch for Tejada.....which he would shift to third base.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2006, 06:34 PM
If the Angels don't get Soriano, I see them making a pitch for Tejada.....which he would shift to third base.

I think the Stros will push hard for him. They've shown the guts in the past to get deals like this done.

Ravenlord
07-19-2006, 06:36 PM
I think the Stros will push hard for him. They've shown the guts in the past to get deals like this done.
and really, anything that gets the bat of one of Adam Everett or Brad Ausmus out of their lineup by default makes them a better team.

Unassisted
07-19-2006, 07:14 PM
I think the price of Tejada goes down as the trade deadline draws nearer. He's not worth parting with the club's best china. http://www.macmod.com/forum/images/smilies/new_smilies/plate.png

KronoRed
07-19-2006, 07:42 PM
That looks like the cheap stuff Unassisted :D

Spitball
07-19-2006, 08:45 PM
If the Angels don't get Soriano, I see them make a pitch for Tejada.....which he would shift to third base.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that is not what I'm hearing. Stoneman has lots of talent at shortstop/thirdbase with prospects Aybar, Wood, and Mark Trumbo. He is proud of these guys, and I understand he isn't interested in packaging any of them. If he trades for Tejada, his best minor league talent would be blocked at short and third by very high priced veterans. He'd be much wiser to go for outfield power.

Unassisted
07-19-2006, 11:01 PM
That looks like the cheap stuff Unassisted :DAnd I figured you'd be impressed. It's not so easy to find a smilie that's a piece of dinnerware. :laugh:

Is this better? ;)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000A5CL3Y.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Krusty
07-19-2006, 11:03 PM
You deal from strength which is surplus of prospects. If you're the Angels, not all of these prospects will be playing the infield. Reminds me of former GM Bill Bergesch who didn't want to trade his crown jewels (Daniels, Davis, Stillwell, O'Neill and Larkin) for a starting pitcher. The Reds didn't win anything till Stillwell was traded for LHP Danny Jackson. But Bergesch was gone by then. Problem is if you pass on an opportunity to get in the playoffs because you don't want to part with those crown jewels, sooner or later you'll find out those crown jewels might end up being pieces of coal.