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OnBaseMachine
07-20-2006, 07:11 PM
GCL Reds lost 3-2.

Daryl Thompson: 3.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K in Reds system debut. Milton Loo went 2-for-3 with two singles and a RBI.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2006_07_20_rsxrok_rdsrok_1

CTA513
07-20-2006, 07:41 PM
Paul Wilson is making a rehab start for Louisville.

Heres the MILB Gameday link:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2006/gd.html?2006_07_20_bufaaa_louaaa_1&brand=milb

Buckeye33
07-20-2006, 08:33 PM
VSL Reds won 4-0. Gomez went 2-4 with 2 RBI. Rodriguez went 6 IP 0 H 0 R 5 K 1 BB.

Dayton is 0-0 in the top of the 2nd. Bruce is 1-1 with his 16th SB. Ward gave up a hit and a walk in his 1st inning.

Wilson gave up a run on 2 hits and struck out 2 in his 1st inning with Louisville.

toledodan
07-20-2006, 08:46 PM
wilson gives up a hr to andy marte. bats down 2-0 2nd.

reds44
07-20-2006, 09:04 PM
Wilson is being hammered.

2.2 IP, 7 H, 8 R (3 ER), 0 BB, 2 K, 2 HR

CTA513
07-20-2006, 09:05 PM
wilson gives up a hr to andy marte. bats down 2-0 2nd.


The third inning didnt go so well:

Top 3RD B:2 S:1 O:1
Franklin Gutierrez grounds out, second baseman William Bergolla to first baseman Jesse Gutierrez.

Top 3RD B:0 S:2 O:1
Ben Francisco reaches on fielding error by second baseman William Bergolla.

Top 3RD B:1 S:2 O:1
Ryan Garko singles on a line drive to left fielder Matt Kata. Ben Francisco to 2nd.

Top 3RD B:2 S:1 O:1
Jason Dubois doubles (23) on a line drive to center fielder Brandon Watson. Ben Francisco scores. Ryan Garko to 3rd.

Top 3RD B:0 S:2 O:1
Lou Merloni singles on a fly ball to center fielder Brandon Watson. Ryan Garko scores. Jason Dubois scores. Missed catch error by shortstop Ray Olmedo.

Top 3RD B:0 S:1 O:1
Andy Marte reaches on fielding error by shortstop Ray Olmedo. Lou Merloni to 2nd.

Top 3RD B:1 S:1 O:1
Jason Alfaro homers (9) on a fly ball to left field. Lou Merloni scores. Andy Marte scores.

Top 3RD B:1 S:1 O:2
Asdrubal Cabrera grounds out, first baseman Jesse Gutierrez to pitcher Paul Wilson.

Top 3RD B:1 S:0 O:3
Tim Laker pops out to third baseman Brendan Harris.

toledodan
07-20-2006, 09:07 PM
AAA doesn't show much help for the future.

Caveat Emperor
07-20-2006, 09:11 PM
AAA doesn't show much help for the future.

Zach Ward pitching for Dayton: 4IP, 2H, 0R, 2BB, 1K (6GO, 3 FO)

His ERA is now down to 2.36. I really don't think he's got a lot to prove by retiring low-A hitters anymore.

Buckeye33
07-20-2006, 09:17 PM
Sarasota is up 2-0 in the 2nd. Strait is 1-1 with his 32nd SB.

James Avery is pitching for Sarasota.

reds44
07-20-2006, 09:18 PM
Another homer off of Wilson.

9-0

Aronchis
07-20-2006, 10:02 PM
Ward and Wood have looked fatigued lately, though Ward has kept a nice string going through his sinker(but that 7.7 k/9 is ho hum).

Caveat Emperor
07-20-2006, 10:11 PM
Ward and Wood have looked fatigued lately, though Ward has kept a nice string going through his sinker(but that 7.7 k/9 is ho hum).

As long as they keep pounding the ball into the dirt, his K/9 rate can stand to be in the 7-8 range, IMO.

Push him.

Redmachine2003
07-20-2006, 10:22 PM
As long as they keep pounding the ball into the dirt, his K/9 rate can stand to be in the 7-8 range, IMO.

Push him.
that will help keep his pitch totals down if they are pounding it in the ground early in the count.

CTA513
07-20-2006, 10:26 PM
Billings up 2-0 after Chris Valaika hit a 2-run homerun in the 1st inning.

Buckeye33
07-20-2006, 10:29 PM
Billings up 2-0 after Chris Valaika hit a 2-run homerun in the 1st inning.

This after the much talked about Stubbs singled in front of Valaika. Sean Watson is starting for Billings. He will try to continue his 18 1/3 innings without an earned run.

Bruce is 2-3 and Dayton is tied 2-2.

Aronchis
07-20-2006, 10:35 PM
Ward's also got a nice 3/4 delivery that will keep shoulder problems to a null, though the increased pressure on the elbow comes from that type of delivery. Though I guess TJ is better than rotator cuff. I wonder if that is the type of delivery Krivsky will look for most often from pitchers?

Bailey on the otherhand has a over the top motion that puts no pressure on the elbow, but a good deal on the shoulder, thus slowly building up his stamina is necessary while he has a good throwing motion, overwork could damage him at this stage. He actually got pulled from the area code games before his Sr. year in HS due to arm discomfort and had a bought with mild tendanitis last year. So far his handlers in HS and the Reds have done a good job not overworking him coupled with that fluid release, he should stay as healthy as a horse. Josh Beckett has that similiar over the top delivery and lack of innings early on in his career surely have staved off arm trouble as he completely grew. Mark Prior on the otherhand.............

CTA513
07-20-2006, 10:43 PM
Someone named Chad Bentz just pitched the 8th inning for the Louisville Bats.
1 IP, 0 Hits, 0 Runs, 1 BB, 0 K

Buckeye33
07-20-2006, 10:57 PM
Chattanooga won 6-1.

Pelland 5.2 IP 2 H 1 R 3 K 3 BB
Shafer 1.1 IP 2 H 0 R 2 K 0 BB
Coutlangus 2 IP o H o R 1 K 0 BB
Votto 2-4 BB R SB (16)
Varner 2-4 2 RBI (59)

Willy
07-20-2006, 11:01 PM
Zach Ward pitching for Dayton: 4IP, 2H, 0R, 2BB, 1K (6GO, 3 FO)

His ERA is now down to 2.36. I really don't think he's got a lot to prove by retiring low-A hitters anymore.

I think the same arguement could be made for Bruce.

He needs to be challenged by better pitching.

Betterread
07-20-2006, 11:02 PM
Chattanooga won 6-1.

Pelland 5.2 IP 2 H 1 R 3 K 3 BB
Shafer 1.1 IP 2 H 0 R 2 K 0 BB
Coutlangus 2 IP o H o R 1 K 0 BB
Votto 2-4 BB R SB (16)
Varner 2-4 2 RBI (59)

Tyler Pelland just outpitched Scott Elbert, the prize Dodger's prospect. He is showing great aptitude at Chattanooga this year in his first full year as a starter - I hope he stays healthy.

Chattanooga
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Pelland (W, 6-3) 5.2 2 1 1 3 3 0 3.35
Shafer 1.1 2 0 0 0 2 0 1.91
Coutlangus 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2.15

Jacksonville
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Elbert (L, 2-1) 5.0 8 5 5 2 4 2 3.38
Kozlowski 2.0 1 0 0 0 4 0 1.94
Alvarez, C 2.0 2 1 0 2 4 0 3.61

oneupper
07-20-2006, 11:09 PM
Another homer off of Wilson.

9-0


At this point in the season, you are not going to make a roster move to accomodate Paul Wilson. Release him and let everyone get back to business.

Crash Davis
07-20-2006, 11:11 PM
Someone named Chad Bentz just pitched the 8th inning for the Louisville Bats.
1 IP, 0 Hits, 0 Runs, 1 BB, 0 K

Journeyman lefty. IIRC, he's the 2nd pitcher (Jim Abbott, of course, being the first) to play MLB after being born with only one hand.

dougdirt
07-20-2006, 11:26 PM
Journeyman lefty. IIRC, he's the 2nd pitcher (Jim Abbott, of course, being the first) to play MLB after being born with only one hand.
Ironic that the Reds have a guy named Jim Abbott in their system then.

Blue
07-21-2006, 12:48 AM
Jon Coutlangus is a guy who I always look for in the box score. Of all the relief pitchers with good numbers at AA, I think he is the one most likely to help us next year.

RedsFanatic
07-21-2006, 01:04 AM
I don't understand why all of you are giving up on him and already saying "I told you so" in regard to the Reds drafting of Stubbs. No one in this draft was ready for the major leagues when they were drafted. They all have something they need to develop. For Stubbs, unfortunatley it is his bat. Don't throw him out the window because he has had a subpar start.

Miguel Cabrera in rookie ball: AVG: .260 HR 2 RBI 22 SLG .352 OBP .344 in 57 games. Granted he was 17 years old at the time, but he was considered a phenom. Just because they struggle in a small sample size doesn't mean they always have to struggle.

Nugget
07-21-2006, 02:48 AM
RF - You will find out that there are some guys who will get a longer a leash on REDSZONE than others. Stubbs seems to have fallen into the latter category and I suspect that it will dog him for the rest of his REDS career. If he isn't producing phenomenal stats day in day out he will be ridden hard.

cincyinco
07-21-2006, 05:16 AM
Say what you will about Stubbs, but he's sure looked pretty good lately.

Oh yeah, Oil Can Boyd Jr. had a nice debut too it appears. This kid is a real wildcard... He could turn into one of our better pitching prospects.

princeton
07-21-2006, 10:21 AM
I don't understand why all of you are giving up on him and already saying "I told you so" in regard to the Reds drafting of Stubbs. No one in this draft was ready for the major leagues when they were drafted. They all have something they need to develop. For Stubbs, unfortunatley it is his bat. Don't throw him out the window because he has had a subpar start.

Miguel Cabrera in rookie ball: AVG: .260 HR 2 RBI 22 SLG .352 OBP .344 in 57 games. Granted he was 17 years old at the time, but he was considered a phenom. Just because they struggle in a small sample size doesn't mean they always have to struggle.

actually, I'm quite happy that Stubbs came in and took some walks and hasn't struck out at an alarming pace. I remember when Dane Sardinha showed up and didn't draw a walk in his first 80 appearances. He immediately became easy to project, and he hasn't gone against that projection by hitting.

Billings is in a league of fastballs and bad curveballs. Stubbs should rake. Even Mike Frank raked in Billings. If Stubbs does rake, then there's a chance for him. But if he doesn't, then given his age, there's probably not much chance for him to make a major league impact-- more likely he'd project to a late-inning defender. A lot of games are still left, and I'm pulling for him.

NatiRedGals
07-21-2006, 11:47 AM
4 er for paul wilson and 9 runs sounds like the day rameirz picthed lol remember guys the key thing to this is 4 earn runs in 5 innings he actually lasted pretty long

texasdave
07-21-2006, 12:23 PM
actually, I'm quite happy that Stubbs came in and took some walks and hasn't struck out at an alarming pace. I remember when Dane Sardinha showed up and didn't draw a walk in his first 80 appearances. He immediately became easy to project, and he hasn't gone against that projection by hitting.

Billings is in a league of fastballs and bad curveballs. Stubbs should rake. Even Mike Frank raked in Billings. If Stubbs does rake, then there's a chance for him. But if he doesn't, then given his age, there's probably not much chance for him to make a major league impact-- more likely he'd project to a late-inning defender. A lot of games are still left, and I'm pulling for him.

just curious...what type of end-of-season numbers would Stubbs have to put up to ease your concerns????

princeton
07-21-2006, 12:44 PM
just curious...what type of end-of-season numbers would Stubbs have to put up to ease your concerns????

His current numbers aren't much different than Jason Larue's numbers in Billings, so I'd say that if he holds his current stats, then he might be able to hit like a decent major league catcher. So hope for improvement.

Caveat Emperor
07-21-2006, 03:29 PM
RF - You will find out that there are some guys who will get a longer a leash on REDSZONE than others. Stubbs seems to have fallen into the latter category and I suspect that it will dog him for the rest of his REDS career. If he isn't producing phenomenal stats day in day out he will be ridden hard.

He was drafted in the first round out of one of the top 10 college programs in the nation. He's older than most of his competition, physically more mature, and has more games of experience under his belt than most of the other kids he is competing against. He should walk into the rookie leagues and he should murder these guys. I buy getting off to a slow start -- players slump all the time and it could just be that he slumped right out of the gate. Not his fault.

However, having said that, there are still a lot of warning signs that I dislike from Stubbs. First and foremost is his almost complete lack of power numbers. With roughly 120 PAs to his credit, Stubbs has yet to hit a home run. He has a grand total of 8 extra base hits, and though I haven't seen him play and given the reports about his speed, it makes me wonder how many "hustle" XBHs he has gotten as opposed to good gap-power XBHs.

I hope the switch from aluminum to wood hasn't robbed him of the power he showed in college; we'll have to see how his development goes as he continues through the minor leagues. Suffice it to say, though, if he can't develop a power game it will limit his potential to be anything truly special or out of the ordinary.