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RedlegNation
07-21-2006, 10:21 AM
I've been doing some thinking recently, after seeing this book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0471697516/sr=8-1/qid=1153491375/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-3100208-3535865?ie=UTF8) on the 50 greatest games in Reds history.

What are some of the candidates for the 50 greatest games in Reds history? I have most of the obvious ones:

--Game 4, 1990 World Series
--Tom Browning's perfect game
--both ends of Vander Meer's no-hitter
--Game 6, 1975 World Series
--Game 7 1975 World Series
--Game 1 1970 WS
--Game 1 1990 World Series
--Game 5 1972 Playoffs
--Opening Day 2005
--First night game
--Johnny Bench night
--First Reds game ever
--Tom Seaver's no-hitter

What are some of the others? I know the quick and dirty list I have above is heavily slanted toward recent games, but obviously 1919 and 1940, especially, would have to be represented.

What do you think?

RedsBaron
07-21-2006, 10:25 AM
Game seven of the 1940 World Series should rank high on that list. Paul Derringer outdueled Bobo Newsom of the Tigers, 2-1, with the Reds rallying in the bottom of the seventh for a come-fro-behind victory. I believe that it is the only World Series in which the Reds won the final game at home.

cumberlandreds
07-21-2006, 10:26 AM
I would think game 8 of the 1919 World Series would be on it. This gave the Reds their first World Championship even if it was tainted.
Also would put Game one of the July 1,1973 DH against the Dodgers. This started an amazing comeback for the Reds to win the NL Western Division.

RedlegNation
07-21-2006, 10:27 AM
Wow. Those are good additions to the list.

westofyou
07-21-2006, 10:32 AM
Opening Day 1912 - Redland Field Opens
Vaughn and Toney's Double No Hitter
1961 World Series Opener
1939 - Dodgers vs Reds first game on TV
1938 - Dodgers vs Reds - Dodgers first night game
1884 - Opening Day First game played on Crosley Field Site
1892 - Seasons Last game of - Bumpus Jones pitches no hitter in debut.
1921 - June - First ball hit over the wall in Cincinnati Reds History
1944 - Joe Nuxhall takes the mound
1911 - Aramando Marsans becomes first Cuban Player to play in MLB
1975 - Pete plays 3rd and moves there
1969 - Maloney No hitter

cumberlandreds
07-21-2006, 10:39 AM
A couple more I thought of:

Pete Rose breaks Ty Cobb's hit record in 1985.
The game Pete Rose came back as player/manager in 1984. I remember watching that game on TV and Riverfront Stadium was as electric as I ever saw it.
I'm sorry I don't remember exact dates. I'm getting old.

RedlegNation
07-21-2006, 10:40 AM
I knew WOY wouldn't let us down.

I bet he has another 25 games in mind, too. Can't wait to see them. :)

redsmetz
07-21-2006, 10:46 AM
Per Wikipedia, the 1969 Maloney no-hitter was 8/19/69 vs. Cubs. I'd add his 6/14/65 10 inning no-hitter which he lost on a homer in the 11th - vs. Mets.

A couple of more I pulled up from the Reds sight:

6/4/1911 Most runs scored by the Reds, vs. Boston Braves 26 runs
9/4/99 Most home runs hit, vs. Phillies

I'm wondering about Aaron Boones and Ray Knight's games in which they each hit two homers in an innning.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-21-2006, 10:51 AM
I see you have game 1 and 4 of the '90 series, but wasn't game 2 the one with the infamous Joe Oliver double down the line, off Eckersley, scoring Billy Bates to win it. That was the game of the series, no?

I would also add a recent one. Dunn's walk off grand slammy against the Tribe. That game was electric. Friday night game, sold out against your in-state rivals, everyone still around even though we were being blown out, due to the fireworks after the game and then BAM!

I mean, it should be up there just for the fact of how rare it is to hit a 2-out, walk-off grand slam (more rare than a perfect game). I'd have to put it up there with the best non-playoff best games.

redsmetz
07-21-2006, 10:52 AM
Not necessarily a "greatest" game, a curiousity would go to 9/27/98 vs. the Pirates, the last day of the season which gave us the Larkin, Boone, Larkin, Boone infield. We won 4-1 and Stephan Larkin got played in his only ML game, going 1 for 3 retiring with a .333 career average, higher than his brothers :)

redsmetz
07-21-2006, 10:57 AM
Here's another 4/17/1954 - for the first time, black players play in a Cincinnati Reds game - Nino Escalera and Chuck Harmon play in their first Reds game.

oneupper
07-21-2006, 12:35 PM
June 30, 2006 was good enough to rank, IMO.

redsfan30
07-21-2006, 12:43 PM
June 30, 2006 was good enough to rank, IMO.
Sure was. Might not have the historical weight of some of the other games, but as far as pure emotion, it's got to be at least considered.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2006, 12:49 PM
I would also add game 6 of the NLCS in 1990. That was the game the Reds won 2-1 as Jackson, Charlton and Myers threw a combined 1 hitter. Glenn Braggs made the great catch in right to rob a home run and the Reds went on to the World Series.

OnBaseMachine
07-21-2006, 12:49 PM
I would think game 8 of the 1919 World Series would be on it. This gave the Reds their first World Championship even if it was tainted.

Game 8? Is this a misprint or did they actually play a game 8 back then?

And I have to agree with June 30, 2006. That game, along with Opening Day 2005 are the two greatest Reds games I have seen in my 13 years of watching baseball.

Johnny Footstool
07-21-2006, 12:55 PM
My favorite was Game 1 of the 1990 World Series. After Eric Davis' first-inning HR, you could just feel that the A's mystique had been broken and the tide had turned. The Reds bombed Dave Stewart, Rijo pitched a gem, and the team rode that wave of emotion for three more games and a world championship.

OnBaseMachine
07-21-2006, 12:58 PM
Let me toss another one out there.

How about May 19, 1999 at Colorado? Reds score 24 runs on 28 hits en route to a 24-12 win over the Rockies. I believe the hits and runs totals were either franchise/modern day major league records, or darn near close to it. Sean Casey went 4-for-4 with two homers and three walks. Jeffry Hammonds collected four hits, three of which were homers. Every Reds regular collected at least two hits, and seven players had three hits or more.

http://www.retrosheet.org/

RFS62
07-21-2006, 12:59 PM
My favorite was Game 1 of the 1990 World Series. After Eric Davis' first-inning HR, you could just feel that the A's mystique had been broken and the tide had turned. The Reds bombed Dave Stewart, Rijo pitched a gem, and the team rode that wave of emotion for three more games and a world championship.


That Davis tater was heard around the world.

Chip R
07-21-2006, 01:01 PM
Game 8? Is this a misprint or did they actually play a game 8 back then?


Nope. It was the best of 9 that year.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-21-2006, 01:04 PM
I was sitting right above where the ball landed.

It hit the CBS camera stationed in CF.

I was in the first few rows of the CF red seats.

It was a blast and you did just knew it was meant to be after that shot.

Heath
07-21-2006, 01:07 PM
Dear John Erardi & Greg Rhodes,

There's your new idea.

Sincerely
RedsFans.

cumberlandreds
07-21-2006, 01:14 PM
Game 8? Is this a misprint or did they actually play a game 8 back then?

And I have to agree with June 30, 2006. That game, along with Opening Day 2005 are the two greatest Reds games I have seen in my 13 years of watching baseball.

Nope. There were a few World Series in the early days that were best of nine.

OnBaseMachine
07-21-2006, 01:16 PM
I didn't know that. Thanks to Chip and cumberland.

edabbs44
07-21-2006, 01:20 PM
That Davis tater was heard around the world.
That game was the greatest I ever saw. Not greatest game, but as a Reds fan, most enjoyable by far. ED really set the tone.

RFS62
07-21-2006, 01:22 PM
That game was the greatest I ever saw. Not greatest game, but as a Reds fan, most enjoyable by far. ED really set the tone.



The more I think about it, that home run may have been the biggest single play in Reds history.

Davis stepped up to Goliath and gave him a bloody nose. Nobody gave us a snowballs chance until that moment. You could just feel the mood shift, and the rout was on.

redsrule2500
07-21-2006, 01:49 PM
2006 - Dunn's walkoff grandslam

Hap
07-21-2006, 01:56 PM
All six games of the 1990 NLCS were outstanding, even the two that we lost on Piniella's managerial mistakes.

Phhhl
07-21-2006, 04:19 PM
How about game 4 of the 1976 World Series?

Ltlabner
07-21-2006, 04:20 PM
All six games of the 1990 NLCS were outstanding, even the two that we lost on Piniella's managerial mistakes.

Big Lou made mistakes? This can't possibly be true.

Edskin
07-21-2006, 05:07 PM
My all-time favorite Reds regular season game was September 26th, 1999. Pokey will always have a place in my heart because of that day :)

Heath
07-21-2006, 05:20 PM
Someone has it in its sig line - The 1974 game with Tony Perez hitting the grandslam to win the game 15-14 or something. I'm confused.

Eric_Davis
07-21-2006, 05:54 PM
Also would put Game one of the July 1,1973 DH against the Dodgers. This started an amazing comeback for the Reds to win the NL Western Division.


That's the first one I thought of.

I remember thinking...if Hal King could blast a 3-run homer here, it could be the be the swing in momentum that the REDS would need to overtake the Dodgers.

As amazing as wire-to-wire Champions are (the 1990 REDS, and yes, media, many of the REDS fans knew we were that much better than the A's), there's nothing like summer-long comebacks, ala the '95 Mariners, the '55? Giants, etc.

RedlegNation
07-21-2006, 11:46 PM
You guys have come up with a bunch.

I can't think of a ton from the first half of the last century. Yeah, the Reds won a couple of World Series', but there were some lean times.

macro
07-22-2006, 12:04 AM
I would also add game 6 of the NLCS in 1990. That was the game the Reds won 2-1 as Jackson, Charlton and Myers threw a combined 1 hitter. Glenn Braggs made the great catch in right to rob a home run and the Reds went on to the World Series.

For some reason, that was the very first game that came to mind for me. I had doubted the Reds' ability to make it to the World Series the whole year, and I continued to doubt during the NLCS. When Braggs went up over the wall to catch that ball hit by Carmello Martinez, I think it finally sank in. The Reds were going back to the World Series after a fourteen year wait. I've still got that game on tape, and it gives me cold chills every time I watch that play by Braggs.

As for the other greatest games, what about the first game played at Riverfront, June 1970?

I would also nominate the game in 1984 (I think) that Tony Perez became the oldest player to ever hit a grand slam. It was great to not only see Tony back in a Reds uniform, but doing well.

And let's not forget that day in 1998 (I think) when the Reds starting outfield consisted of Dmitri Young, Mike Frank, and Chris Stynes; Young, Frank, and Stynes. :D (Okay, I'm kidding about this being among the greatest games.)

VR
07-22-2006, 01:55 AM
The more I think about it, that home run may have been the biggest single play in Reds history.

Davis stepped up to Goliath and gave him a bloody nose. Nobody gave us a snowballs chance until that moment. You could just feel the mood shift, and the rout was on.

That was beautiful. I was at work and snuck a peak at one of the TV's ....the exhilaration was unreal. It moved.

I had the pleasure of being at game 4 that year. Very very special. If you have the video, you can hear me cheering at the end of the game, 'cause I was the only one. ;)

oregonred
07-22-2006, 02:43 AM
Agree -- Games 1 & 2 1990 WS and Game 6 1990 NLCS were incredible.

Game 2 of the NLCS was also unbelievable too. While sitting in the nosebleed RF red seats by the foul pole, I remember Big O'Neill making an almost impossible throw to double-up Van Slyke at third I think that was another 2-1 game. That series was amazing and that was one good Pirates team. I had much better seats for Game 6 though :)

How about this one -- just looked up the date... Aug 3, 1989 -- Reds vs. Astros. Reds score 14 runs and get 16 hits -- in the first inning.

redsmetz
07-22-2006, 07:38 AM
And let's not forget that day in 1998 (I think) when the Reds starting outfield consisted of Dmitri Young, Mike Frank, and Chris Stynes; Young, Frank, and Stynes. :D (Okay, I'm kidding about this being among the greatest games.)

I think that goes in with the Larkin, Boone, Larkin, Boone infield game. I can't remember what I posted, but I think that was 1998 also.

redsmetz
07-22-2006, 07:40 AM
Agree -- Games 1 & 2 1990 WS and Game 6 1990 NLCS were incredible.

Game 2 of the NLCS was also unbelievable too. While sitting in the nosebleed RF red seats by the foul pole, I remember Big O'Neill making an almost impossible throw to double-up Van Slyke at third I think that was another 2-1 game. That series was amazing and that was one good Pirates team. I had much better seats for Game 6 though :)

How about this one -- just looked up the date... Aug 3, 1989 -- Reds vs. Astros. Reds score 14 runs and get 16 hits -- in the first inning.

I was at that game where O'Neill threw out Van Slyke over on the leftfield side.

And I remember that Astros game because the game started right around the time I was leaving for lunch, took the rest of the day off to take my kids to the pool and the inning continued all through lunch and up until we got to the Y to swim!

MrCinatit
07-22-2006, 08:31 AM
Hey, everyone, some guy named John Vander Meer said "Hello".
Twice.
:p:

919191
07-22-2006, 09:11 AM
Opening Day 1912 - Redland Field Opens

1921 - June - First ball hit over the wall in Cincinnati Reds History



WOY- you mean no Reds player ever hit one over the wall before this?

OldRightHander
07-22-2006, 09:24 AM
I was at game two of the 90 NLCS as well, sitting in the green seats in right field close to the foul pole. I had a good view of O'Neill making the throw, thought it was a decent throw, saw nothing but dust at third base, and then went nuts when the umpire made the out call.

SandyD
07-22-2006, 10:29 AM
WOY- you mean no Reds player ever hit one over the wall before this?


Redland was a hard park to get a HR in. In 1921, the Reds hit 5 HRs, and allowed only 2 in official games at Redland. I believe only two of the Reds 5 were over the wall, and one by their opponents.

Before June 1921, no National League player had hit a ball over the outfield wall in fair territory in the history of Redland Field. And only four times in foul territory.

I've heard that the HOF has the bat Pat Duncan used to hit that first one.

In late May of that same year, John Beckwith became the first player to hit a home run over the wall at Redland field in a Negro League game.

Tony Cloninger
07-22-2006, 12:12 PM
What.....no 1982 or 1983 games make anyone's list?

I like those obscure yearly games.

In 1969....after an 18-16 game vs the Phillies......a columnist (not from Cincy) first coined THE BIG RED MACHINE in an article about the team.

The 1974 game with TP hitting a GS.....as mentioned by an earlier poster.

A game in 1976 where the Reds scored like 5 runs in the ninth to beat Mike Marshall in Cincy......to haste MM's arm out of town to ATL for Dusty Baker.

That 23-9 drubbing of ATL in 1977.
2 more from 1977..... 15-13 W vs ATL..... 16-15 or something like that...L...vs CHI in 1977.

I just like those high scoring games.

oregonred
07-22-2006, 01:24 PM
Couple others

1984: Pete's first game as player-manager. Reinvigorating the fanbase after it was left high and dry with the dismantling of the BRM and the awful 1982 & 83 seasons. Not to mention the '81 strike that hurt Cinci's fanbase more than anyone. The town was buzzing with the news of Rose coming back and then that evening watching a 44-year old legend return home and hit a triple with his trademark headfirst slide into third was one of those unbelieveable moments in Reds history. Baseball was back in Cincinnati leading up to the 1990 WS sweep.

Obviously the Rose-4192 game is in the top 50 just for significance of the event.

redsmetz
07-22-2006, 02:43 PM
Not to mention the '81 strike that hurt Cinci's fanbase more than anyone.

That was so frustrating. I got married on October 3rd that year, the second last day of the season. I married a woman from Missouri and we were going to enjoy the baseball playoffs on our honeymoon. But no, the Reds and Cardinals, the teams with the top two records in baseball somehow did not make the playoffs that year. I always enjoyed that the Reds showed 1981 on the top of their dugout for their winning years.

redsmetz
07-22-2006, 02:47 PM
That 23-9 drubbing of ATL in 1977.
2 more from 1977..... 15-13 W vs ATL..... 16-15 or something like that...L...vs CHI in 1977.

I just like those high scoring games.

That 16-15 game, was that the one where we were down like nine runs and came back and won it? I remember a game from around then where I was listening to it at work and was sending teletype messages back and forth with the Chicago terminal during that game! (Am I the only one older enough to remember teletype machines? Think Instant Messenger on paper!

RedlegNation
07-22-2006, 04:33 PM
No games that anyone can think of where Frank Robinson was on the team? Or Ted Kluszewski?

Two of the best Reds ever....