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Willy
07-22-2006, 10:25 PM
Besides Homer who do we have that could take over the 5th starter spot???


Justin Germano-To young???

Chris Michalak-Great AAA numbers, enough stuff?

Steve Kelly???

Edward Valdez???

Just wondering if anyone could share some insite on these guys.

Thanks

ghettochild
07-22-2006, 10:26 PM
i'd take germano over bailey, if you think germano is too young then bailey is a baby.

Willy
07-22-2006, 10:32 PM
May be I said that wrong. I don't think Bailey should be up, I just wonder is there anyone else who could help.

dougdirt
07-23-2006, 02:42 AM
I would take Germano or Dumatrait before I would think about Bailey. Both of whom have to be better than Mays.

NatiRedGals
07-23-2006, 03:00 AM
Tom Shearn Age 28
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NatiRedGals
07-23-2006, 03:01 AM
Chris Michalak: Individual Stats (Pitching)
Team From To W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO
Louisville Bats 04/06 07/21 8 4 2.61 19 18 0 0 0 110.1 119 44 32 15 22 47

Amazing era and already 110 innings hes 35 yrs old why he in the minors? Bring him up!!!!!!!!!

Caveat Emperor
07-23-2006, 03:08 AM
Chris Michalak: Individual Stats (Pitching)
Team From To W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO
Louisville Bats 04/06 07/21 8 4 2.61 19 18 0 0 0 110.1 119 44 32 15 22 47

Amazing era and already 110 innings hes 35 yrs old why he in the minors? Bring him up!!!!!!!!!

Not to sound at all condescending -- but with this team as badly in need of pitching help as it has been recently (to the point where it sent two valuable trade commodities to DC), don't you think if there was any legitimate shot of a guy like Michalak contributing that he would've been given a shot first?

Most of the time, when you see a player 30+ (or close to 30) in AAA, there is a good reason why he isn't playing big league ball.

StillFunkyB
07-23-2006, 10:28 AM
This is true CE, but he can't be any worse than Joe Freakin Mays.

lollipopcurve
07-23-2006, 10:34 AM
They won't need a 5th starter till next weekend in Milwaukee. I imagine they'll bring up a reliever first (I expect a DFA of Mays any minute), probably Burns, since he's on the 40-man, and then exchange him for a starter, either Dumatrait or Germano, next weekend. That is, if they haven't traded for a starter before then. I don't see them going off the 40-man for someone in-house, including Homer.

icehole3
07-23-2006, 11:14 AM
I think Gosling is on deck. He's the one they brought up for a day or two last time and he's a Wayne Krispy guy.

paintmered
07-23-2006, 12:29 PM
This is true CE, but he can't be any worse than Joe Freakin Mays.

I'm willing to bet he could be.

lollipopcurve
07-23-2006, 12:33 PM
I think Gosling is on deck. He's the one they brought up for a day or two last time and he's a Wayne Krispy guy.

Good call -- would they bullpen him for a few days then throw him out there next weekend against Milwaukee?

My guess is that WK is working hard on a trade for a 5th starter.

Steve4192
07-23-2006, 01:22 PM
This is true CE, but he can't be any worse than Joe Freakin Mays.

People say this a lot ... and they are usually wrong.

I remember in May when people wanted to replace Dave Williams as the 5th starter and claimed the Reds couldn't get any worse at that spot. Well, the Reds replaced Williams with Joe Mays, and they got worse at that spot. Just because a minor leaguer hasn't had the chance to fail yet doesn't mean he won't do so in spectacular fashion when given the opportunity.

I would much rather see Wayne go out and fetch a mediocre veteran who can at least stop the bleeding. I'm not talking about anything spectacular, just a guy who can keep the team in the game for six innings more often than not. Guys like ex-Reds Corey Lidle or Elmer Dessens would fit the bill nicely.

dougdirt
07-23-2006, 02:02 PM
Well Phil Dumatrait is on schedule to pitch today, so he is right in line with the #5 rotation spot if they do choose to bring someone up. He isnt a young gun by any chance, he is either 25 and about to turn 26 or he is 26. He does have a good arm though, but can get in a little bit of trouble with his walks sometimes. I would say he has better stuff than Germano, who is a little more of a finesse pitcher. Both are probably better options than Joe Mays though.

lollipopcurve
07-23-2006, 02:26 PM
he is either 25 and about to turn 26 or he is 26.

Dumatrait turns 25 tomorrow.

dougdirt
07-23-2006, 02:30 PM
Man....why did I think he was born in 80?

edabbs44
07-24-2006, 02:47 PM
Not to sound at all condescending -- but with this team as badly in need of pitching help as it has been recently (to the point where it sent two valuable trade commodities to DC), don't you think if there was any legitimate shot of a guy like Michalak contributing that he would've been given a shot first?
If that is true, then he should be released. He has been extremely effective in AAA. He should be given a shot and see what happens. If they are that sure that he cannot contribute at the big league level, then what's the point of having him on the AAA roster?

dougdirt
07-24-2006, 02:50 PM
Louisville has to have 5 starters too....

HotCorner
07-24-2006, 03:50 PM
Chris Michalak: Individual Stats (Pitching)
Team From To W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO
Louisville Bats 04/06 07/21 8 4 2.61 19 18 0 0 0 110.1 119 44 32 15 22 47

Amazing era and already 110 innings hes 35 yrs old why he in the minors? Bring him up!!!!!!!!!

Think Brandon Larson. Great AAAA player but not ML quality.

HotCorner
07-24-2006, 04:05 PM
If that is true, then he should be released. He has been extremely effective in AAA. He should be given a shot and see what happens. If they are that sure that he cannot contribute at the big league level, then what's the point of having him on the AAA roster?

You still have to fill out a roster in the minor leagues.

RedsFan75
07-24-2006, 04:26 PM
About Michalak:
110 IP in AAA and 119 hits surrenderd.. Don't like that line, and when you add in 22 walks and only 47 K's I like it even less.

ERA might be low but there's still been a total of 44 runs scored when he was on the mound. I know only 32 earned... but still... Don't really like that setup.

Shearn's H/IP numbers look better, and has more K's in fewer IP, but at the same time more BB's... still that control will get him toasted in the ML.

I wouldn't mind giving a shot to Shearn, Dumatrait or Kelley, but I think I'll pass on Michalak