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Kc61
07-24-2006, 05:06 PM
Have to think the Reds are going for a starting pitcher. There is now one week to go before the non-waiver deadline.

If you look at the teams likely to sell, there is a short list of possible candidates. KC has Redman; Philly has Lieber and Lidle; Livan Hernandez of Washington.

How about Kris Benson? Orioles should be interested in dumping his salary, or part of it. Team needs some young players. Reds could trade cash and some younger cheaper guys.

Thoughts?

flyer85
07-24-2006, 05:09 PM
As near as I can figure the Reds still need a SS and AT LEAST one starting pitcher.

Aronchis
07-24-2006, 05:10 PM
As near as I can figure the Reds still need a SS and AT LEAST one starting pitcher.

The Reds have their SS's whether we like it or not, so that is not on the list. My guess they dump fluff for a veteren starter that can eat some innings and a healthy Claussen.

flyer85
07-24-2006, 05:16 PM
The Reds have their SS's whether we like it or not, so that is not on the list. It's nice to know that Royce will be the SS as they crash and burn (in combo with Rich and Hatty at the corners).

Might want to check out Hatty's crash and burn in the last two months of the pennant race last year(OPS .632 and .548), he almost singelhandedly pulled down the A's and seeing his current OPS is over 100 points higher than his career best I have a good guess what is coming.

RBA
07-24-2006, 05:17 PM
The Reds should trade for Roger Clemens. ;)

BRM
07-24-2006, 05:23 PM
The Reds have their SS's whether we like it or not, so that is not on the list.

That's sad. Not that I don't agree with what you said but it's still very sad.

REDREAD
07-24-2006, 05:27 PM
When you look at what the Reds have left to trade, it's pretty limited.

Maybe they could trade Freel.

Maybe they could trade Claussen for an older, more expensive (and hopefully more reliable pitcher).

They could trade Encarcion and go with Aurillia, but that would be unpopular.

They could trade LaRue, but the return would be negligible.

That's about it. Obviously, they could trade Dunn, but that would kill the offense.

I think it's going to be hard to swing a deal. We might get a Redman or another marginal upgrade, but the sellers are going to turn the screws hard on Wayne, since they know he's desparate.

flyer85
07-24-2006, 05:31 PM
When you look at what the Reds have left to trade, it's pretty limited.you're right


Maybe they could trade Freel.
That would be a huge risk, counting on Denorfia to prodcue well and Jr to stay healthy.


Maybe they could trade Claussen for an older, more expensive (and hopefully more reliable pitcher).
since he is hurt it makes it moot.


They could trade Encarcion and go with Aurillia, but that would be unpopular.and dumb.



They could trade LaRue, but the return would be negligible.not worth much with his salary

WK basically shot his wad with the last deal and has little to offer unless he wants to dip in the Bailey/Bruce/Votto bucket.

Kc61
07-24-2006, 05:37 PM
When you look at what the Reds have left to trade, it's pretty limited.

I think it's going to be hard to swing a deal. We might get a Redman or another marginal upgrade, but the sellers are going to turn the screws hard on Wayne, since they know he's desparate.

Deal will have to include minor league kids. Personally, I would not trade the big three prospects, Bailey, Bruce or Votto.

I could see the Reds trading from the next tier of prospects. Some possibilities are Wood, Cueto, Ward (hope not, ground ball pitcher), Pelland, Dumatrait, Olmedo, Denorfia, Moran.

Also, keep in mind that Reds could relieve a team of salary (talk of role reversal!) Do the Orioles really want to pay all of Benson's salary when the team obviously needs a rebuilding job?

KronoRed
07-24-2006, 05:40 PM
The Reds should trade for Roger Clemens. ;)
Only if we agree to start his son ;)

Johnny Footstool
07-24-2006, 06:58 PM
How about Larue to Washington for Livan Hernandez?

Puffy
07-24-2006, 07:04 PM
How about Larue to Washington for Livan Hernandez?

I actually like that idea - which ensures it will never happen.

TheBigLebowski
07-24-2006, 07:04 PM
The Reds have their SS's whether we like it or not, so that is not on the list. My guess they dump fluff for a veteren starter that can eat some innings and a healthy Claussen.

I'm confused - are you saying this TBD new pitcher should eat Brandon Claussen? If so, I hope we're on the phone with the California Angels, as I believe they'd still own Terry Forster's rights.

Johnny Footstool
07-25-2006, 12:53 AM
I actually like that idea - which ensures it will never happen.

I really don't like Hernandez at all, but I could see Krivsky coveting him.

Falls City Beer
07-25-2006, 12:57 AM
I liked Hernandez, but I think he's done.

Johnny Footstool
07-25-2006, 01:39 AM
I liked Hernandez, but I think he's done.

He was done last season and didn't know it.

WVPacman
07-25-2006, 01:40 AM
I have a crazy feeling we are going about Livan Hernandez even thow I would rather have Leiber.


Are they any slightest hope we could pull off a trade with the Brewers and get Hall?? He has beat us so many times I think we should try and trade for him.

Jpup
07-25-2006, 03:08 AM
How about Humberto Sanchez from Detroit?

schroomytunes
07-25-2006, 07:32 AM
I still see us going after Lohse, Redman, or Lidle. We need a 5th starter and with the current market we should be able to land one with a package of young guys as we will be taking on salary in the deal.

Twins/Reds: Kyle Lohse to Reds for Javon Moran and low A prospect

KC/Reds: Mark Redman to Reds for William Bergolla and Ty Pelland

Philly/Reds: Cory LIdle to Reds for Ty Pelland and low A guy

Orioles/Reds: Kris Benson to Reds for Sam lecure, Ty Pelland and Javier Valentin

TheBigLebowski
07-25-2006, 09:27 AM
No Lidle, please...been there, done that.

KronoRed
07-25-2006, 05:03 PM
Lidle or Mays and Milton?

Lidle.

LawFive
07-25-2006, 07:37 PM
He was, after all, an Opening Day starter. Doesn't that mean anything?

;)

REDREAD
07-25-2006, 07:46 PM
I'm scared to think of what Bowden will try to extract out of Wayne for Hernandez :)

If we aren't going to trade the big 3 prospects (Bruce, Wood, Homer) our options are going to be pretty limited.

redsrule2500
07-26-2006, 04:57 AM
I actually like that idea - which ensures it will never happen.
:laugh:

Krusty
07-26-2006, 10:16 AM
Just a guess with my crystal ball:

Reds trade a Class A prospect for Cleveland outfielder Todd Hollandsworth. (Reds get a veteran lefthanded hitter to come off the bench and is upgrade over DeWayne Wise).

Reds trade Claussen, LaRue, Dumtrait to the Phillies for RHP Jon Lieber, catcher Mike Lieberthal and LHP Rheal Cormier.

Despite his record, Lieber is a proven winner and is an upgrade over Claussen. Lieberthal is just a rental and the Reds take him to offset LaRue's contract. Cormier is a rental too but he provides insurance as a third lefthanded reliever....especially if Mercker is unable to return for the stretch run.

Kc61
07-26-2006, 12:05 PM
Not bad, Krusty.

Hollandsworth makes sense. You keep Deno as the righty hitting outfielder and add Hollandsworth from the left side. Gives you a little lefty pinch hitting depth along with Valentin.

Lieber also makes sense. He hasn't had a good year, but that may help get him from Phils. When healthy, he's a solid guy. (I think Benson would be slightly better, but might cost more in return.)

I don't know about the Lieberthal piece, but your point about offsetting salary is a good one.

To me, Kansas City, Phil, and Baltimore are the logical trade partners.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-26-2006, 02:19 PM
It's nice to know that Royce will be the SS as they crash and burn (in combo with Rich and Hatty at the corners).

Might want to check out Hatty's crash and burn in the last two months of the pennant race last year(OPS .632 and .548), he almost singelhandedly pulled down the A's and seeing his current OPS is over 100 points higher than his career best I have a good guess what is coming.

The power of positive thinking.

Krusty
07-26-2006, 02:32 PM
Phillies and Yankees just made a deal which catcher Sal Fasano was sent to the Yankees. But I do believe they will move Lieberthal because he is at the end of his career. If that is the case, then the Phillies will need a catcher come 2007 and LaRue might have some appeal.