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dougdirt
07-25-2006, 08:33 PM
Ward is through 5 innings and has 6 walks and just 2 strikeouts. Good thing is, he hasnt allowed a run and just 3 hits. Not really sure why he is walking so many people lately, but its time for the kid to get promoted.

Aronchis
07-25-2006, 09:44 PM
I wonder why the Reds are "protecting" Ward while Cueto was overpromoted? Poor job by JA on that one.

Willie0023
07-25-2006, 11:07 PM
Amen. The Reds have been botchariffic handling him so far.

On a side note however lots of the Reds brass were in Dayton tonight. Krivsky, Jenkins, Almarez. Hopefully they will send him up soon. It would be nice to see what he can do at the next level.

LoganBuck
07-25-2006, 11:30 PM
Amen. The Reds have been botchariffic handling him so far.

On a side note however lots of the Reds brass were in Dayton tonight. Krivsky, Jenkins, Almarez. Hopefully they will send him up soon. It would be nice to see what he can do at the next level.

Lots of trade bait in Dayton, maybe Krivsky is doing a little pantry check.

redsmetz
07-26-2006, 06:26 AM
Amen. The Reds have been botchariffic handling him so far.

On a side note however lots of the Reds brass were in Dayton tonight. Krivsky, Jenkins, Almarez. Hopefully they will send him up soon. It would be nice to see what he can do at the next level.

It may be they're getting ready to move some folks up from Billings too and want to see who can move up out of Dayton.

princeton
07-26-2006, 10:06 AM
Lots of trade bait in Dayton, maybe Krivsky is doing a little pantry check.

agreed. Hope that you have fun in your new organization, Zach

gonelong
07-26-2006, 10:09 AM
I was at the game last night, only lasted 6 innings with the 3 yr old though.

I was completely disappointed with Ward last night. I had expected much, much more from him. He only hit 90 one time and was working mostly at 86 MPH or so and he had all sorts of control problems. He doesn't appear to hide the ball very well either, you can pick it up very early.

While he is tearing through A ball pretty well, I really have to question if he is going to be able to hold that type of domination as he advances. Based on the one outing I have seen, I'd say fat chance.

GL

princeton
07-26-2006, 10:15 AM
I was at the game last night, only lasted 6 innings with the 3 yr old though.

I was completely disappointed with Ward last night. I had expected much, much more from him. He only hit 90 one time and was working mostly at 86 MPH or so and he had all sorts of control problems. He doesn't appear to hide the ball very well either, you can pick it up very early.

While he is tearing through A ball pretty well, I really have to question if he is going to be able to hold that type of domination as he advances. Based on the one outing I have seen, I'd say fat chance.

GL

bummer. Nobody wants an A ball pitcher coming off of a bad outing. Sounds like now we'll have to keep him and trade somebody else.

gonelong
07-26-2006, 12:50 PM
bummer. Nobody wants an A ball pitcher coming off of a bad outing. Sounds like now we'll have to keep him and trade somebody else.

I guess it depends on that persons definition of "bad outing". He walked 6 but tossed a 5 inning shutout. Kind of a mixed bag.

He is sporting a 2.29 ERA and a WHIP < 1 on the season. I guess I was expecting a bit more out of the guy.

GL

Steve4192
07-26-2006, 12:56 PM
agreed. Hope that you have fun in your new organization, Zach
Yep.

That's what I've been thinking ever since the Cueto promotion. The Reds challenged the guy who they think can be special and left Zach in Dayton to dominate the youngsters and keep his prospect status nice and shiny. I think Ward is viewed by the Reds front office as a the classic throw in single-A prospect who puts a trade offer over the top.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2006, 01:07 PM
I think Ward is viewed by the Reds front office as a the classic throw in single-A prospect who puts a trade offer over the top.

I hope the FO is that self-aware.

JaxRed
07-26-2006, 02:29 PM
I think the odds that the Reds are keeping him at Low A because they think he will fail at High A, and therefore keeping his trade value high.... as essentially non-existent.

Willie0023
07-26-2006, 03:30 PM
He only hit 90 one time and was working mostly at 86 MPH or so and

GL

The above statement is simply not true. Zach was at 91-93 all game. If you were going by the radar on the scoreboard then thats where you are going wrong. Thats been off all year. If you walk down behind the backstop there are always players from both teams scouting pitches. You can ask them what a guy is throwing, and they will tell you. Zach looked tired. He may be hitting wall as this is his frst full season in the minors. He has pitched great. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

Aronchis
07-26-2006, 03:37 PM
Not only HSer's like Wood who have hit the wall recently. First pro-season can test preperation(as Bailey found out last year), even for College players.

RedsFanatic
07-26-2006, 03:40 PM
Wood is having a better year than Bailey did last year at Dayton. IMO we won't see the real Travis Wood until he gets stronger and adds a few pounds ot his small frame. I'm thinking Billy Wagner except with a changeup.

gonelong
07-26-2006, 04:06 PM
The above statement is simply not true. Zach was at 91-93 all game. If you were going by the radar on the scoreboard then thats where you are going wrong. Thats been off all year. If you walk down behind the backstop there are always players from both teams scouting pitches. You can ask them what a guy is throwing, and they will tell you. Zach looked tired. He may be hitting wall as this is his frst full season in the minors. He has pitched great. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

I have no doubts the scoreboard radar is not all that reliable, however, last season when Homer was hitting 97-98 I was told that the scoreboard radar was inflated. With a near 3 year old in tow I didn't pay as much attention as I would like to the other team to see if any of their guys were lighting it up at 90+.

He didn't look fresh, I'll give you that.

He has the benefit of the doubt, he is in A ball and has a < 3.00 ERA and a < 1 WHIP.

GL

Mario-Rijo
07-26-2006, 06:14 PM
Wood is having a better year than Bailey did last year at Dayton. IMO we won't see the real Travis Wood until he gets stronger and adds a few pounds ot his small frame. I'm thinking Billy Wagner except with a changeup.

Not in a million years, Wood is no Wagner! However I do see him as a guy who could eventually turn into a Tom Glavine type. He needs to do what you stated and also polish up his control just a bit and this guy should be ready. Watching him pitch is like watching a major leaguer pitch a game, he just lacks consistent control and that could be the result of being a smaller pitcher. Mind you when I say lacks control I don't mean on the level of a Luke Hudson, but maybe moreso like EZ who at times will miss just a bit. Granted when he does miss he seems to miss low quite a bit. Which will result in BB's moreso than hits/hr's!

RedsFanatic
07-27-2006, 01:46 PM
Wood can hit 95 as a starter, no reason he won't be able to hit 97 in a one inning role. However I woudl rather keep him as a starter.

Willie0023
07-28-2006, 09:24 AM
Most pitchers on the Dayton roster can hit 95 or close to it. I know in Spring Training Fisher topped out at 94, and Ward at 97 one day. Cueto was around 96. I was there, and Ward was consistently around 92-95. The difference however is what you can pitch at on game day controllably, and almost all Dayton's guys throw at about 85%. Thats why you see Wood around 91-93, Fisher 89-92, and Ward at 91-93. The other part of this is they throw mostly two-seam fastballs. That provides more movement, but will be 3-4 MPH slower. If these guys just rared back, and throwed 4 seamers they could be in the mid-90's all day. Ward can really get a 4 seamer up there. Cueto had great success doing this in Dayton, but it will be interesting to see how far he can get throwing that pitch. Its mainly flat, and I don't care how hard you throw, if you throw a flat ball the higher you get the more guys will sit on it, and take it deep. I hope Johnny develops a better two seamer to go along with his heater. Bottom line the raw talent is there, and these guys are learning how to pitch. It will be fun to watch them all develop, and hopefully get to the big club.

Superdude
07-29-2006, 07:40 PM
Most pitchers on the Dayton roster can hit 95 or close to it. I know in Spring Training Fisher topped out at 94, and Ward at 97 one day. Cueto was around 96. I was there, and Ward was consistently around 92-95. The difference however is what you can pitch at on game day controllably, and almost all Dayton's guys throw at about 85%. Thats why you see Wood around 91-93, Fisher 89-92, and Ward at 91-93.

I'll take 91-93 everyday of the week from a projectable 19 year old with a changeup in the low-mid 70's. I'm not an expert on projectability by any means, but looking at Wood's delivery, frame, and current velocity, it looks like he could definitely be a pint-sized flamerthrower in the mold of Oswalt or Kazmir with an extra 15-20 pounds of muscle. If he could get his fastball sitting somewhere in the 92-96MPH range and gain some consistency on his curveball, Wood would have an unbelievable repoitre...(or however you spell that word)