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dougdirt
07-27-2006, 08:42 PM
Homer is through 2 innings, allowed 2 hits, struck out 2 and has been throwing lots of offspeed stuff. His last batter he struck out he hit with a change up for pitch 1, a curve for pitch 2 and the threw a 94MPH FB by him.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 08:48 PM
Sarasota won 3-0 today.
Paul Janish went 3-5 with a HR and 2 RBI
James Avery went 6 innings and allowed just 2 hits.

edabbs44
07-27-2006, 08:52 PM
I got a little choked up today reading the latest BA tonight at dinner. It finally hit me that there are some Reds in the minors who seem to have legitimate shots at being All-Stars. Haven't seen this since Dunn/AK and pitching in longer than I can remember.

Here's to the future. Except Stubbs. He breaks my heart.

Matt700wlw
07-27-2006, 08:54 PM
Homer is through 2 innings, allowed 2 hits, struck out 2 and has been throwing lots of offspeed stuff. His last batter he struck out he hit with a change up for pitch 1, a curve for pitch 2 and the threw a 94MPH FB by him.

That's exactly what I think all of us want to hear. :beerme:

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:00 PM
Chattanooga, 3rd inning.
Bailey strikes out the first batter on a 4th pitch change up.
The second batter grounds out to the second baseman.
Bailey hits the 3rd batter in the head with the pitch, after the batter stepped out of the box the pitch before. Batter got up after the 96 MPH off the dome.
The umpire warns Bailey and Jayhawk Owens.
Flare hit, runners to first and third.
Another litlte flare but caught by Anderson Machado in shallow CF.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:00 PM
Oh, lots of off speed stuff again in the 3rd inning.

Matt700wlw
07-27-2006, 09:01 PM
Another litlte flare but caught by Anderson Machado in shallow CF.

:yikes:

Matt700wlw
07-27-2006, 09:01 PM
Oh, lots of off speed stuff again in the 3rd inning.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:03 PM
Baez, opposing pitcher, threw behind Bailey and gets ejected from the game.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:04 PM
:yikes:
Matt, Machado saved Bailey a run earlier with what appeared to be a single up the middle. Machado dove into the outfield grass up the middle stopped it and came up throwing to end the inning in the second i believe. Machado has got himself a good glove, its that bat that people wonder about.

jesusfan
07-27-2006, 09:04 PM
Yeah... if they hurt Bailey I may have to hurt somebody!

Matt700wlw
07-27-2006, 09:05 PM
Matt, Machado saved Bailey a run earlier with what appeared to be a single up the middle. Machado dove into the outfield grass up the middle stopped it and came up throwing to end the inning in the second i believe. Machado has got himself a good glove, its that bat that people wonder about.

I didn't know he was still in our system (I must have missed that one) :lol:

I was surprised to see his name surface.

CTA513
07-27-2006, 09:05 PM
Baez, opposing pitcher, threw behind Bailey and gets ejected from the game.

Sounds like a future White Sox pitcher.
Try and throw at someone and cant hit them.

:evil:

Matt700wlw
07-27-2006, 09:06 PM
Sounds like a future White Sox pitcher.
Try and throw at someone and cant hit them.

:evil:

Somewhere, Ozzie Guillen is shouting.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:12 PM
Chattanooga PBP
Bailey gets down 2-0 on the first batter, but gets a pop up to CF on the next pitch.
Bailey strikes out the next batter.
BTW, Griffey just took a step in the right direction to breaking out of that slump!
Bailey strikes out the 3rd batter of the inning.

Bailey 4ip, 3h, 0bb, 5k. 0 runs.

JaxRed
07-27-2006, 09:12 PM
In the 5 game series just concluded at Jacksonville, Machado stunk the joint up defensively.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:16 PM
Really Jax? I usually listen to the Dragons games except when Bailey is pitching, but he always seems to come up with a nice play when I listen...

JaxRed
07-27-2006, 09:22 PM
He only got charged with 2 errors in the series, but also had about 3 times where he threw the ball into the dirt on a double play (but was not charged with error because out was made at 2nd), let about 4 balls go by him for hits because he didn't get in front of them , and let at least 3 balls simply drop between him and other fielders for hits. He was terrible.

Drew Anderson........ there's a guy that can play defense....

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:24 PM
Drew Anderson is a guy I like. He hasnt been so hot in Chattanooga so far, but I bet he comes around with the bat soon enough.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:28 PM
Chattanooga PBP
I missed what hte first batter did, but he got out.
The second batter of the inning lined a double into the gap.
Third hitter is the pitcher, strikes him out on 3 pitches. That is his 6th of the night.
Starts off the leadoff hitter with a high change up and then another high change up for a 2-0 count. Outside for ball 3. Throws a strike on the 4th pitch for a 3-1 count. Check swing for ball 4. First walk of the night.
Pop up to Chris Dickerson in CF and ends the inning.

Bailey - 5ip, 4 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk, 6 strikeouts

Cyclone792
07-27-2006, 09:36 PM
Question for the guys intently tracking Homer Bailey's progress each game ...

Would it be possible to compile a breakdown of Homer's pitch selection (fastball, breaking ball, change-up, etc.) with each start in a similar fashion that reds44 posted based off McCoy's info? (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1086582&postcount=19)

IMO, if possible, that'd be a pretty valuable piece of information to have handy.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:46 PM
Honestly Cyclone, I dont know if its possible unless you were to attend every game. I have listened to probably 80% of Baileys starts this year and the announcers just arent good at telling you what is thrown a lot. Like I have said earlier, the Lookouts have 2 broadcasters, an older guy and a younger guy. The younger guy is very bad at telling you what is thrown, while the older guy is usually pretty good at it.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:50 PM
Dayton finished up their suspended game yesterday and won 13-1.
Box score is below, Jay Bruce had a very good night.


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
DeJesus 2B 4 2 2 1 0 0 1 1 0 .260
Griffin 3B 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .267
Bruce RF-CF 5 2 4 2 0 0 3 0 0 .318
Hernandez 1B 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .267
Szymanski CF 3 3 3 1 0 0 1 0 0 .244
Holden a- PH-LF 2 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 .236
Mosby DH 5 2 4 2 0 0 3 0 1 .263
Eymann SS 5 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 .238
Denove C 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .179
Cabrera LF-RF 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .236

BATTING
2B: Bruce 2 (39, McKenzie, Timm), Mosby 2 (14, McKenzie, Timm), Szymanski (22, Timm), DeJesus (10, Sowers), Holden (6, Sowers).
TB: DeJesus 3; Griffin; Bruce 6; Hernandez; Szymanski 4; Holden 2; Mosby 6; Eymann; Denove; Cabrera.
RBI: Bruce 3 (64), DeJesus (30), Mosby 3 (36), Eymann 2 (29), Szymanski (46), Holden (11).
2-out RBI: DeJesus.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Griffin; DeJesus; Denove; Mosby.
GIDP: DeJesus; Holden; Eymann.
Team LOB: 6.

BASERUNNING
SB: DeJesus (9, 2nd base off McKenzie/Bormaster).

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Fisher 3.0 2 0 0 2 3 0 3.18
Lutz (W, 1-0) 3.0 2 1 1 1 4 0 3.00
Haltiwanger (S, 1) 3.0 0 0 0 2 2 0 4.50

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:51 PM
Jay Bruce has the night game off apparently. Nice little reward for a 4-5 earlier night.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:52 PM
Homer Bailey - 6ip, 5h, 0r, 2bb, 8k.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:55 PM
Homer is done for the night.
Final line- 6ip, 5 hits, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts, 0 runs

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 09:57 PM
GCL Reds played earlier today and lost 3-2. Box Score is below


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Cabrera, E 2B 5 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 .306
Cabrera, A SS 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .286
Francisco 3B 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 .283
Scott 1B 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .206
Phipps CF 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .250
Sanchez DH 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .239
Hauschild C 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .250
Encarnacion a 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333
Feiner RF 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 .222
Jones, M LF 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .112
Loo b- PH 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 .400
Martinez 1- PR 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .339

BATTING
2B: Loo (6, Timm).
TB: Cabrera, E 2; Cabrera, A 2; Phipps; Encarnacion; Feiner; Loo 2.
RBI: Feiner 2 (6).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Scott; Sanchez 2; Francisco 2; Cabrera, E.
S: Feiner.
GIDP: Francisco; Sanchez.
Team LOB: 8.

BASERUNNING
PO: Feiner (1st base by Lin).

FIELDING
E: Cabrera, E (6, missed catch), Francisco (9, fielding).
DP: (Francisco-Scott).

a-Singled for Hauschild in the 9th. b-Doubled for Jones, M in the 9th.
1-Ran for Loo in the 9th.

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Rice 3.0 1 1 0 1 4 0 3.31
Medina 1.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Yount 1.2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0.00
Williams (L, 1-2) 2.1 3 1 1 1 2 0 4.26

Cyclone792
07-27-2006, 09:59 PM
Honestly Cyclone, I dont know if its possible unless you were to attend every game. I have listened to probably 80% of Baileys starts this year and the announcers just arent good at telling you what is thrown a lot. Like I have said earlier, the Lookouts have 2 broadcasters, an older guy and a younger guy. The younger guy is very bad at telling you what is thrown, while the older guy is usually pretty good at it.

That's what I figured. We've got access to some pretty good Bailey splits right here (http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=456701&tm=ChaSL&bp=p), but as always, I'm craving even more information.

Hopefully Bailey mixed it up tonight and wasn't just using the fastball primarily again tonight.

membengal
07-27-2006, 10:01 PM
Bailey is working his way up from stud prospect to uber-stud prospect at this point...

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 10:04 PM
That's what I figured. We've got access to some pretty good Bailey splits right here (http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=456701&tm=ChaSL&bp=p), but as always, I'm craving even more information.

Hopefully Bailey mixed it up tonight and wasn't just using the fastball primarily again tonight.

Cyclone, Ive been keeping my own little Homer Bailey excel sheet going. Give me a minute and I will post it with up to date information. Not sure how much it has that minorleaguesplits.com doesnt but I am sure there are some things.

Oh and Chris Dickerson just robbed a HR to end the inning for the Lookouts. The announcer says he has never seen a play like it before.

Matt700wlw
07-27-2006, 10:05 PM
Larry Ward, voice of the lookouts on if Homer is ready to help the Reds...

"Nope...he's still working on his command...and perfecting all aspects of his game. He'll be there...but not yet. I'd put him in a class of guys I've seen in this league like Kerry Wood and Mark Prior."

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 10:12 PM
He also added that his main problems is still learning how to mix his pitches better.

Cyclone792
07-27-2006, 10:18 PM
Cyclone, Ive been keeping my own little Homer Bailey excel sheet going. Give me a minute and I will post it with up to date information. Not sure how much it has that minorleaguesplits.com doesnt but I am sure there are some things.

Oh and Chris Dickerson just robbed a HR to end the inning for the Lookouts. The announcer says he has never seen a play like it before.

Excellent, I'd love to see what you've got! Heck, just start a thread and update it continually as the season progresses ;)

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 10:19 PM
Ok, so I have kept Game logs with as much information as possibly available via a box score and put them all together. Here is the information in one big chart. Any questions about anything, ask.

H/A= Home/Away. E.R.=Earned runs. BF=batters faced. S.ERA=season ERA. S.WHIP= season WHIP. GO=ground ball outs. FO=fly ball outs. Anything with an S. before it, the S stands for SEASON.


Date H/A Innings Hits Runs E.R. HR HBP BB SO B.F. IBB S.ERA S.WHIP GO FO S.dERA S.IP S hits S runs S ER S HR S HBP S BB S SO S BF S IBB S GO S FO
4/6/06 Home 4.2 5 5 2 1 0 0 5 21 0 3.86 1.07 4 5 3.58 4.2 5 5 2 1 0 0 5 21 0 4 5
4/11/06 Home 5.2 7 3 3 0 1 0 5 24 0 4.35 1.06 6 5 2.57 10.1 12 8 5 1 1 0 10 45 0 10 10
4/17/06 Away 5 1 0 0 0 0 2 5 18 0 2.93 0.98 4 6 2.72 15.1 13 8 5 1 1 2 15 63 0 14 16
4/22/06 Away 5 5 4 4 1 0 3 5 22 0 3.98 1.13 3 6 3.36 20.1 18 12 9 2 1 5 20 85 0 17 22
4/27/06 Away 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 9 19 0 3.08 0.95 5 4 2.88 26.1 18 12 9 2 1 7 29 104 0 22 26
5/3/06 Home 5.1 6 5 5 1 0 2 4 24 1 3.98 1.04 3 9 3.16 31.2 24 17 14 3 1 9 33 128 1 25 35
5/8/06 Away 6 0 0 0 0 0 1 11 20 0 3.35 0.9 3 4 2.68 37.2 24 17 14 3 1 10 44 148 1 28 39
5/13/06 Home 2.2 4 6 1 1 2 3 3 18 0 3.35 1.02 1 4 3.22 40.1 28 23 15 4 3 13 47 166 1 29 43
5/19/06 Away 5 6 2 1 0 0 3 5 25 0 3.18 1.1 7 3 3.21 45.1 34 25 16 4 3 16 52 191 1 36 46
5/24/06 Home 6.1 4 4 4 2 0 1 9 25 0 3.48 1.06 5 5 3.37 51.2 38 29 20 6 3 17 61 216 1 41 51
5/30/06 Away 5 7 5 5 0 0 4 3 25 0 3.97 1.16 8 4 3.47 56.2 45 34 25 6 3 21 64 241 1 49 55
6/4/06 Home 7 1 0 0 0 2 1 7 25 0 3.53 1.07 7 7 3.47 63.2 46 34 25 6 5 22 71 266 1 56 62
6/9/06 Home 7 3 1 1 0 0 0 8 24 0 3.31 1.01 8 5 3.14 70.2 49 35 26 6 5 22 79 290 1 64 67
6/22/06 Home-C 6 5 0 0 0 0 0 7 21 0 3.05 0.99 4 4 2.98 76.2 54 35 26 6 5 22 86 311 1 68 71
6/27/06 Away-C 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 6 21 0 2.83 0.94 8 4 2.92 82.2 54 35 26 6 5 24 92 332 1 76 75
7/2/06 Home-C 5 2 0 0 0 0 2 9 21 0 2.67 0.93 3 3 2.81 87.2 56 35 26 6 5 26 101 353 1 79 78
7/15/06 Home-C 7 7 2 2 0 0 0 3 27 0 2.66 0.94 10 6 2.79 94.2 63 37 28 6 5 26 104 380 1 89 84
7/21/06 Away-C 6.2 3 1 1 0 1 2 6 25 0 2.58 0.93 6 8 2.79 101.1 66 38 29 6 6 28 110 405 1 95 92
7/27/06 Home-C 6 5 0 0 0 1 2 8 25 0 2.43 0.94 4 5 2.73 107.1 71 38 29 6 7 30 118 430 1 99 97

princeton
07-27-2006, 10:23 PM
Jay Bruce has the night game off apparently.

new owner doesn't want him hurt?

Matt700wlw
07-27-2006, 10:23 PM
new owner doesn't want him hurt?

There must a scrappy vet on the team ;)

Aronchis
07-27-2006, 10:32 PM
Jay pulled a quad.

Bailey was ok tonight, he gave up 7 baserunners in 6 innings as a negative, but the stuff was good and he got out of jams.

He probably is another 1-2 years away.

Hoosier Red
07-27-2006, 10:38 PM
7 baserunners in 6 innings? that doesn't sound too bad. I'd think a 1.17 WHIP is pretty solid.

Cyclone792
07-27-2006, 10:40 PM
Good stuff with the gamelogs, dd. Interesting to see that in Bailey's start with only three strikeouts on 07/15 that he produced 10 groundballs and only three fly balls. I thought I read that he was throwing a good deal of offspeed stuff, and if that's true, it's good to see most of his in-play outs were on the ground instead of in the air that night.

Cedric
07-27-2006, 10:41 PM
Jay pulled a quad.

Bailey was ok tonight, he gave up 7 baserunners in 6 innings as a negative, but the stuff was good and he got out of jams.

He probably is another 1-2 years away.

Well at least he'll be that mythical #2 pitcher we so badly need.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 10:50 PM
Aronchis, does he need to allow fewer baserunners than innings every time out to satisfy you?
His WHIP in AA is 0.82.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 11:00 PM
Homer has gone 56 innings since he last allowed a HR. That is very impressive.

Aronchis
07-27-2006, 11:07 PM
Man, you guys are sensative with Bailey. I am not being overly critical of his start, it was very solid. I was just taking notice that he allowed 7 baserunners in 6 innings, but his stuff was good to cull the damage. Geez:eek:

cincy09
07-27-2006, 11:11 PM
Another solid start for Homer. Glad to see he
handled the adversity well, and didn't get thrown out
of the game.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 11:23 PM
Man, you guys are sensative with Bailey. I am not being overly critical of his start, it was very solid. I was just taking notice that he allowed 7 baserunners in 6 innings, but his stuff was good to cull the damage. Geez:eek:

sorry, I do get a little jumpy with Bailey. There is a lot of stuff on here at times that bothers me in relation to Bailey and sometimes I just get jumpy at things people say.

dougdirt
07-27-2006, 11:28 PM
Chattanooga went on to lose 5-0. All 5 runs went to Jim Abbott, only 2 were earned.

Dayton is currently losing 3-0 in the 7th, which should be the last inning today.

nmculbreth
07-27-2006, 11:54 PM
Another nice performance for Bailey, I look forward to seeing him in 2008. :)

JaxRed
07-28-2006, 12:18 AM
He'll be defending ROY in 2008

Blue
07-28-2006, 12:18 AM
I for one hope the guy breaks Spring Training with the club next year if he's not going to see any time in Cincy this year.

CTA513
07-28-2006, 12:34 AM
Chris Heisey hit his 6th homerun tonight for the Mustangs.

nmculbreth
07-28-2006, 12:37 AM
I for one hope the guy breaks Spring Training with the club next year if he's not going to see any time in Cincy this year.

I'd love for him to be ready for spring training of next year but I just hope the organization gives him enough time to hone his secondary pitchers. I'm guessing it's more likely he'll spend atleast part of next season in Louisville and to be honest I'm OK with that.

dougdirt
07-28-2006, 12:41 AM
I'd love for him to be ready for spring training of next year but I just hope the organization gives him enough time to hone his secondary pitchers. I'm guessing it's more likely he'll spend atleast part of next season in Louisville and to be honest I'm OK with that.
Agreed 100%. If Homer does not have his offspeed stuff when ST breaks, I want him in Louisville to work on them until he is ready for the Bigs. Learning on the job in the Majors is not a good idea.

traderumor
07-28-2006, 01:00 AM
sorry, I do get a little jumpy with Bailey. There is a lot of stuff on here at times that bothers me in relation to Bailey and sometimes I just get jumpy at things people say.Did you buy stock in him or something? It's great to see the kid jamming down in Chatty, but goodness, is it worth getting that worked up over a prospect?

dougdirt
07-28-2006, 01:02 AM
Nah, but if there were stock in players, I would have invested a while ago. I dont know, I get passionate about things at times, and its gets the better of me.

Scrap Irony
07-28-2006, 01:11 AM
Bailey has been largely disregarded as pyrite and an idiotic draft choice by a large number of members on this board. Just over a month ago, many chided Krivsky and company about Bailey's move to AA, insisting Homer needed more time in High A to "dominate" his opposition.

DD has been Homer's stalwart supporter, arguing-- rightfully-- that Bailey indeed is an outstanding prospect, no matter his pedigree, age, or predilliction toward higher education. Others have insisted otherwise.

It is only natural, I think, for DD to continue his support of Bailey and be a bit sensitive toward the kid. He's been absolutely lights out at Chattanooga, perhaps the premier prospect in all of baseball at this point in the season. He has proven DD's acumen in judging talent. He has disproven, so far, the mantra of HS arm as poor draft choice. (Kind of. Others will, I'm sure, remind me and other readers of Bailey being a needle in a haystack kind of lucky choice. They will pound on mountains of evidence, claiming HS pitchers are poor choices. When reminded of Wood, Beckett, et al, they will again claim Bailey's not in their class. DD-- and other Homer supporters-- will then again support "their guy", pounding on their mountain of evidence that shows Bailey's dominance while pitching this season.

Feelings will eventually get hurt. Someone will call someone a "stat head". Someone else will imply someone else is too ignorant to properly watch a ballgame unless they know trigonometry.

Have you not read this board?

HBP
07-28-2006, 01:12 AM
sorry, I do get a little jumpy with Bailey. There is a lot of stuff on here at times that bothers me in relation to Bailey and sometimes I just get jumpy at things people say.

I feel that way too. It's like some people want him to fail just so they can be the ones saying "I told you all, the Reds can't develop pitching" or "I knew he would be rushed." Why can't everyone just enjoy that the Reds basically have THE best pitching prospect in the minors. Personally, it's so much more fun to see that view than it is to predict he'll be the next Ty Howington, Chris Gruler, Ryan Wagner, etc. Failure is a possibility for every player, so why focus all of it on Homer? He could be the next Verlander, or he could be the next young stud "blowout." Either way, that's just life, enjoy it.

BTW, sorry for the rant. This isn't aimed at any one person, it's just something I've thought about recently.

mbgrayson
07-28-2006, 01:50 AM
Chris Heisey hit his 6th homerun tonight for the Mustangs.
From http://reds.mostvaluablenetwork.com/regular-posts/2006-draft-roundup/

"Reds 2006 draft pick #17. Chris Heisey, OF, Messiah (Pa.) College
6′0″/195#, R/R, Age 21. Assigned: Billings.
Batted .428 this season and was named Commonwealth Conference Player of the Year. Stole 21 bases in 22 attempts."

At Billings, in 34 games so far, he is batting .371, slugging about .550, on base % of about .440, with 6 home runs, and 25 RBIs. Been playing rightfield. That gives him an OPS of about 1.000!

Cedric
07-28-2006, 02:05 AM
Nah, but if there were stock in players, I would have invested a while ago. I dont know, I get passionate about things at times, and its gets the better of me.

Don't sweat it. I put stock into Bailey a long time ago. I'm passionate in the Reds and I love how Homer has bucked the odds so far.

Long way to go though.

CTA513
07-28-2006, 02:15 AM
From http://reds.mostvaluablenetwork.com/regular-posts/2006-draft-roundup/

"Reds 2006 draft pick #17. Chris Heisey, OF, Messiah (Pa.) College
6′0″/195#, R/R, Age 21. Assigned: Billings.
Batted .428 this season and was named Commonwealth Conference Player of the Year. Stole 21 bases in 22 attempts."

At Billings, in 34 games so far, he is batting .371, slugging about .550, on base % of about .440, with 6 home runs, and 25 RBIs. Been playing rightfield. That gives him an OPS of about 1.000!

So far tonight he is 3 for 4 with a homerun and 4 RBIs

oregonred
07-28-2006, 02:19 AM
He probably is another 1-2 years away.

Or so hopes the rest of the NL Central

Harang + Arroyo + Bailey. 2007 is the time and the right window for the fun to begin ;)

Scrap Irony
07-28-2006, 02:21 AM
Good call, Oregon. Two excellent pitchers to lean on and learn from. (Harang-- throw your pitch. Arroyo-- change speeds.) Slot him in the fourth or fifth rotation spot and pray Elizardo and Claussen can be league average in the 3-4 slots.

Put Milton in the pen or out to pasture.

Print playoff tickets. ;)

cincyinco
07-28-2006, 04:33 AM
Homer is done for the night.
Final line- 6ip, 5 hits, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts, 0 runs

Awesome.. another GREAT outing by Mr. Bailey. He's really risen to every challenge thrown his way this year, and is DOMINATING the AA level - where are the naysayers now? How large does the sample need to be to eat some crow? Some of us got a lot of grief for defending the promotion. I sure don't hear too much about it now.

Will he keep it up the whole year? Who knows, not likely.. but the transition has been BETTER THAN ANYONE EXPECTED. I think its time for the naysayers to give credit where credit is immensly deserved.

cincyinco
07-28-2006, 04:51 AM
Man, you guys are sensative with Bailey. I am not being overly critical of his start, it was very solid. I was just taking notice that he allowed 7 baserunners in 6 innings, but his stuff was good to cull the damage. Geez:eek:

Sensitive? I dont know about that. But every time Homer has done something noteworthy(and thats been just about every start since his promotion to AA) someone comes down here and points out the negatives. I know we all need to keep grounded Aronchis, but why can't we just give props when its due instead of trying to find a piece of his game to critisize? The results are what they are, no matter how they were obtained.

Homer is dominating AA. DOMINATING. And I'd say his numbers over 100 innings pitched this year are also, pretty.. damn.. dominant. Why can't everyone just enjoy the success our pitching prospect is having? Especially after there were quite a few on this board, who said they knew best, and said he wasn't ready to start the year in high A, nor was he ready for a promotion to AA. Where are these guys? Own up. Give Homer props, even if he did let up '7 baserunners' in his game.. He kept the offense shut down. Don't take a shot at him because of it.

Homer Bailey has taken his game to the next level, and instead of being excited about that - we still haev folks(not necessarily you Aronchis) trying to tear apart his game. Its getting old. Its starting to get like every Adam Dunn thread on here that rips him apart for his batting average or ability to produce in RISP or clutch situations. Its really getting beyond rediculous.

Aronchis, I'm not trying to single you out by any means, so please dont take this personally. I'm just getting tired of hearing the distractors that I shouldn't be excited about hsi performance because of such and such. Whent he guy fails, I will be fully ready and there to accept it. But why can't others do the same when he's performed well? Why can't they give the credit Bailey deserves?

I have my own theory why.. its just ingrained into our heads as reds fans that all our pitching prospects are going to fail.. becuase they're Reds. We've accepted failure, and predicted it for those who've yet to do so. We rip every move to shreds because the Reds have stunk so long. Well I'm tired of it. This is a new era of Reds baseball. We have a new owner. A New GM. They want to win. It starts from the top, and it will reach all the way to the bottom. Why is it when I finally have a glimmer of hope to hold onto, posters come in and grab it from me, and stomp on it. This may sound a bit melodramatic.. but if you look around here.. its true. Some call them pessimists... They themselves call them realists. I'm not really sure what to call it but ingrained behavior.

Just enjoy the ride everyone - its hard to do that as a reds fan because we've been let down for so long... but open yourselves up to possibilities just a little bit. We have things to be EXCITED about for once. GUYS!!! Our Farm system is looking better than any of us thought. Our MLB team is performing better than ANY OF US could have DREAMED. It may not end up how we all hope and dream, but good lord.. the journey has been fantastic. WE ARE CONTENDING AND ITS ALMOST AUGUST. When, was the last time any of us could see so many positives?

Its been a long time.

So ugh, sorry for the length, and rant.... i just had to get it off my chest.. Its not directed at you in particular Aronchis, I value you as a member of this community, and I value your posts. I just feel like some fans around here, since a losing atmosphere is so ingrained into us, just expect the worst. Its Debbie Downer syndrom with some. Lets have some fun - if someone performs bad, it will be noted. But a final line like homer put up today? Why the critisism? He got the job done, and he did it well.

cumberlandreds
07-28-2006, 08:00 AM
Sounds like another great outing by Bailey.:thumbup: Since he has pretty much dominated AA since he's been there do you think the Reds will move him up to AAA for August or just keep him in AA to finish out the season?
Thanks for all your info dougdirt. It's great to see some good young talent in the Reds minor league system.

Betterread
07-28-2006, 08:29 AM
I think Bailey spends the rest of the year in AA, and maybe get the call to spend September in the Reds bullpen. He's having a great year and he is dominating AA. I think he has star potential and he is one of the positivesy for this year's Reds campaign.

Steve4192
07-28-2006, 10:41 AM
It's like some people want him to fail just so they can be the ones saying "I told you all, the Reds can't develop pitching" or "I knew he would be rushed."
That is a gigantic pantload of bullfeces.

Nobody wants Homer to fail. A lot of people thought he would fail, but everyone who predicted failure prefaced it with 'I hope he proves me wrong'. We are all Reds fans, and the only reason people railed against the Bailey pick is because they felt he would never help the Reds. Now that it is pretty clear that he is a big part of the future, I think you will find that everyone is pretty happy with that draft pick.


where are the naysayers now? How large does the sample need to be to eat some crow?

Homer is doing fantastic, and obviously was more that ready for the promotion to Chattanooga. However, no one should be eating any crow (or counting any chickens) until he proves his mettle in the majors. I love the kid, and think he has a bright future in the game, but he still hasn't proven he can handle major league hitters.


Homer Bailey has taken his game to the next level, and instead of being excited about that - we still haev folks(not necessarily you Aronchis) trying to tear apart his game.
Huh?

I think everyone is pretty excited about Homer Bailey's progress. Does pointing out that he still needs to work on developing his offspeed stuff constitute 'tearing apart his game'? Because that's the ONLY criticism I have seen of his performances as of late.

IslandRed
07-28-2006, 11:01 AM
I think it's pretty simple, really. We all know the draft is a gamble, but we also know that historically, high-school pitchers are the longest odds on the board. That made Bailey or any other high-schooler automatically suspect to many of us, and his performance in '04 and '05 -- while not bad by any means -- didn't suggest he was the exception to the rule. There were still a lot of skeptics going into this season. And the promotion was questioned because he showed improvement, but not consistent dominance, in his half-season at Sarasota and many people felt he needed to be dominant to justify an in-season promotion.

But there's no arguing that his performance since the promotion has put a new and welcomed spin on things. Go get 'em Homer.

HBP
07-28-2006, 11:17 AM
That is a gigantic pantload of bullfeces.

Nobody wants Homer to fail. A lot of people thought he would fail, but everyone who predicted failure prefaced it with 'I hope he proves me wrong'. We are all Reds fans, and the only reason people railed against the Bailey pick is because they felt he would never help the Reds. Now that it is pretty clear that he is a big part of the future, I think you will find that everyone is pretty happy with that draft pick.


Thats my point in the first place. Why predict he will fail? It makes no sense, Homer Bailey is NOT Chris Gruler-Ty Howington-Brian Reith, on and on. They are different people, so why predict someones future based on a completely different person.


Now that it is pretty clear that he is a big part of the future, I think you will find that everyone is pretty happy with that draft pick.

How convenient. Kinda like how 90% of everyone absolutely ripped and complained about the Travis Wood pick. That is until he started showing up on the BA Hot Sheet almost every week last year.

cincyinco
07-28-2006, 03:45 PM
Homer is doing fantastic, and obviously was more that ready for the promotion to Chattanooga. However, no one should be eating any crow (or counting any chickens) until he proves his mettle in the majors. I love the kid, and think he has a bright future in the game, but he still hasn't proven he can handle major league hitters.

Huh?

I think everyone is pretty excited about Homer Bailey's progress. Does pointing out that he still needs to work on developing his offspeed stuff constitute 'tearing apart his game'? Because that's the ONLY criticism I have seen of his performances as of late.

Huh? Everyone who said Homer wouldn't make the transition to AA - and thats all I'm talking about, should be a bit more humble right about now.

And have you read this thread? Homer throws a good game and its "but he let up 7 baserunners in the game". Big Whoop. 2 were walks. So that means he gave up 5 hits. lets hits than innings pitched. Why are we complaining?

Its everyone's right to be a critic, and admittedly Homer has deserved critisism at poitns during his short career. But why he's getting any flak since being promoted to AA is beyond me. I ask once again.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT THE KID TO DO.

I'm not talking about working on his offspeed stuff.. I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about results. RESULTS.

cincyinco
07-28-2006, 03:47 PM
I think it's pretty simple, really. We all know the draft is a gamble, but we also know that historically, high-school pitchers are the longest odds on the board. That made Bailey or any other high-schooler automatically suspect to many of us, and his performance in '04 and '05 -- while not bad by any means -- didn't suggest he was the exception to the rule. There were still a lot of skeptics going into this season. And the promotion was questioned because he showed improvement, but not consistent dominance, in his half-season at Sarasota and many people felt he needed to be dominant to justify an in-season promotion.

But there's no arguing that his performance since the promotion has put an new and welcomed spin on things. Go get 'em Homer.

This is all I ask IslandRed, and thanks for putting it how you did. Better than I could have said. I know why people are/were skepticle. I know why people thought he wouldn't handle a transition to AA. But he did. Props!

People asked for results. Well, they got them. Look at the AA stats. They are GOOOOOOOD. Look at his overall stats. They spell D O M I N A N C E. What more do people want in regards to results?

Aronchis
07-28-2006, 04:11 PM
Bailey's problems last year stemmed from a lack of control, which has been rumored to be caused by:
1.Raw talent
2.Shoulder inflammation due to first professional season
3.Bailey's lazy and wasn't prepared for a full professional season, thus wore out quick
4.Reds pitching coach's are horrible
5.The tandom system bothered Bailey

If Bailey had cut his walks down in half during the 2005 campaign, he would have had much better numbers overall. June and July killed him, he rebounded some in Augest. I would argue Homer still has some modest control refinements to make, but the progression in that realm is definitely visable.

Bailey is a good B+/A- prospect. He has been hyped up for a long time and scouts love the guy. I think he is probably overrated to a extent and believe he is a good "2" in the making. He doesn't have any sink on his fastball(thus the "straight" ball") much like Beckett, that is a downer to his overall ability. He may be homer prone in GAB, much like Beckett has given up the Johnsons in Boston.

Scrap Irony
07-28-2006, 04:18 PM
Bailey a #2?

"It's like complaining about a mole on Cindy Crawford's face or someone winning the lottery and then being asked if they fear death."

-- Rick Pitino, on questions about his 1996 NCAA champion Kentucky squad

So it goes with Homer.

Blue
07-28-2006, 04:37 PM
Bailey's problems last year stemmed from a lack of control, which has been rumored to be caused by:
1.Raw talent
2.Shoulder inflammation due to first professional season
3.Bailey's lazy and wasn't prepared for a full professional season, thus wore out quick
4.Reds pitching coach's are horrible
5.The tandom system bothered Bailey

If Bailey had cut his walks down in half during the 2005 campaign, he would have had much better numbers overall. June and July killed him, he rebounded some in Augest. I would argue Homer still has some modest control refinements to make, but the progression in that realm is definitely visable.

Bailey is a good B+/A- prospect. He has been hyped up for a long time and scouts love the guy. I think he is probably overrated to a extent and believe he is a good "2" in the making. He doesn't have any sink on his fastball(thus the "straight" ball") much like Beckett, that is a downer to his overall ability. He may be homer prone in GAB, much like Beckett has given up the Johnsons in Boston.

You forgot one possible cause of his control problems: working mostly on his offspeed pitches and not caring about results.

Also, to go way back to 2004 when he was drafted, this is from the MLB Draft Tracker scouting report: "COMFORT ZONE 93-95 W/ LATE SINK. BALL EXPLODES OUT OF HAND."

TeamSelig
07-28-2006, 06:50 PM
WOW, anyone else impressed by him laying out the batter for stepping out of the box? Thats my kind of pitcher.

Matt700wlw
07-28-2006, 07:12 PM
WOW, anyone else impressed by him laying out the batter for stepping out of the box? Thats my kind of pitcher.

He won't fit in here ;)

traderumor
07-29-2006, 01:05 AM
Huh? Everyone who said Homer wouldn't make the transition to AA - and thats all I'm talking about, should be a bit more humble right about now.

And have you read this thread? Homer throws a good game and its "but he let up 7 baserunners in the game". Big Whoop. 2 were walks. So that means he gave up 5 hits. lets hits than innings pitched. Why are we complaining?

Its everyone's right to be a critic, and admittedly Homer has deserved critisism at poitns during his short career. But why he's getting any flak since being promoted to AA is beyond me. I ask once again.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT THE KID TO DO.

I'm not talking about working on his offspeed stuff.. I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about results. RESULTS.
Those who are thumping their chest should also be humbled by the fact that the young man hasn't thrown a pitch that counts for the Cincinnati Reds yet. Those same folks should also be humbled by the names Richie Gardner, Bobby Basham, Brett Tomko, and that's just getting started. I haven't seen anyone not tickled to death with what Homer is doing in Chatty. But the strutting by his fans is a bit distasteful.

Cedric
07-29-2006, 01:08 AM
Those who are thumping their chest should also be humbled by the fact that the young man hasn't thrown a pitch that counts for the Cincinnati Reds yet. Those same folks should also be humbled by the names Richie Gardner, Bobby Basham, Brett Tomko, and that's just getting started. I haven't seen anyone not tickled to death with what Homer is doing in Chatty. But the strutting by his fans is a bit distasteful.

About as distasteful as last offseason. People that hated Homer's signing were strongly convinced that his first two years numbers were mediocore and that Homer was never going to amount to squat.

I got reemed for believing in Homer's peripheral numbers. I saw plenty of strutting.

dougdirt
07-29-2006, 03:51 AM
He doesn't have any sink on his fastball(thus the "straight" ball") much like Beckett, that is a downer to his overall ability. He may be homer prone in GAB, much like Beckett has given up the Johnsons in Boston.

I remember reading articles after the Futures game where scouts LOVED what they saw with Baileys fastball and its late movement that it had. I dont know how much you have seen the kid pitch, but scouts all around loved what type of movement they saw on the pitch.

You cant copy/paste BA content here, but here is a link. Go read the last paragraph of the article. Talks about how scouts loved his sinking, diving late movement on his fastball.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/futuresgame/261899.html