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Rojo
08-01-2006, 04:00 AM
Could that be the thinking? I mean the fifth starter is going to get about 10 more starts. The current cast of suspects would probably win about 4 of those -- at most. And, sure it doesn't seem that Lohse would be much of an improvement. But maybe Krivksy thinks he's worth two more wins and then can be a dynamite arm in the pen if they make a post-season where the bully is everything and the fifth starter just doesn't matter.

Just thinking out loud.

I still like Krivsky, but this inundation of relievers following an early inundation of second basemen, points to a weird, and not necessarily bad, methodology. Extended spring training remix.

buckeyenut
08-01-2006, 06:40 AM
I think the transition to a new league along with Claussen coming back means Lohse will only get a couple of starts if that and will do fine. I'd like to see him get his ERA on the year down to low 5s by the end of the season, which is I believe a reasonable expectation. He isn't going to save the world, but I think he will be a very good buy low for us.

princeton
08-01-2006, 08:30 AM
bullpen is probably his best gig. But he's a poor pitcher, so he needs to go where the team need is, not what's best for him

maybe the Reds think that he's Joe Nathan-lite, which we could REALLY use, but the Twins didn't. Also, there's only one instance in which he went on consecutive days, and that was just a one-out first day/five-out second day. So maybe resiliency has been an issue.

still, I understand the need for a power righty on this team. Cormier I don't get. Not with Bray/EdG/Shack.

Unlike Lohse, Bray's not a poor pitcher, so the Reds should do what's best for him in spite of team needs. Maybe the Reds think that he could be a starter, but I see power lefty setup. Keep him there.

traderumor
08-01-2006, 09:03 AM
I know there is a lot of fear of Lohse starting at all, but if its a spot start and not "welcome to the rotation," esp. after what Krivsky said in the presser, I'm thinking that the damage is minimal. Maybe Lohse is a Reitsma in waiting, inconsistent starter, power arm, comes in for an inning...

princeton
08-01-2006, 09:12 AM
Maybe...

Lohse's been a big maybe for four years. He's capable of pitching very well for a couple of months, and maybe he'll do it here. He's also capable of being dreadful.

Here's an interesting thought: the Carl/Jimbo Reds would have brought up Homer instead of paying $1mill-plus on Lohse. My guess is that in terms of production, the returns will probably be similar. Lohse probably throws a little less hard, but not by much. So the Cast/Kriv Reds paid $1mill-plus to further Homer's development. It's probably money well-spent, but it also goes to show that development is a costly business.

traderumor
08-01-2006, 09:31 AM
Lohse's been a big maybe for four years. He's capable of pitching very well for a couple of months, and maybe he'll do it here. He's also capable of being dreadful.

Here's an interesting thought: the Carl/Jimbo Reds would have brought up Homer instead of paying $1mill-plus on Lohse. My guess is that in terms of production, the returns will probably be similar. Lohse probably throws a little less hard, but not by much. So the Cast/Kriv Reds paid $1mill-plus to further Homer's development. It's probably money well-spent, but it also goes to show that development is a costly business.Jimbo would have brought Homer up from A-Ball after he pitched the no-hitter ;)

15fan
08-01-2006, 09:45 AM
Cormier I don't get. Not with Bray/EdG/Shack.

Maybe the Cormier acquisition was a defensive move so that he didn't go to a team like Cards who could use him against the lefty duo of Junior & Dunn on a regular basis?

princeton
08-01-2006, 09:57 AM
Maybe the Cormier acquisition was a defensive move so that he didn't go to a team like Cards who could use him against the lefty duo of Junior & Dunn on a regular basis?

according to Narron, they like that Cormier is a righty specialist.

somebody showed these guys how to click on the "splits" button?

Falls City Beer
08-01-2006, 10:17 AM
Cormier replaces Mercker. You said it in one of your first posts princeton.

He's a lefty who retires righties. Or something.

PuffyPig
08-01-2006, 10:17 AM
Maybe the Cormier acquisition was a defensive move so that he didn't go to a team like Cards who could use him against the lefty duo of Junior & Dunn on a regular basis?

Well, it was reported that the Cards had a deal in place for Cormier, but the Reds outbid them.

princeton
08-01-2006, 10:24 AM
Cormier replaces Mercker. You said it in one of your first posts princeton.

He's a lefty who retires righties. Or something.

it's like in one of your posts-- Cormier causes LaRussa to blow a gasket. "He's a lefty so I want a righty but he's a righty specialist so I want a lefty but he's a lefty so I want a righty but he's a righty specialist..."

we're replaying Dr. Who versus the Daaleks

flyer85
08-01-2006, 10:26 AM
according to Narron, they like that Cormier is a righty specialist. makes you wonder if they do their homework before acquiring players.

flyer85
08-01-2006, 10:27 AM
Well, it was reported that the Cards had a deal in place for Cormier, but the Reds outbid them.maybe the Cards just suckered the Reds

TRF
08-01-2006, 10:43 AM
according to Narron, they like that Cormier is a righty specialist.

somebody showed these guys how to click on the "splits" button?

perhaps they could have pressed it sooner? and on a few of their own players. Standridge and Shack both have extreme splits, Shack dominates LH, Standridge RH hitters.

Sometimes it isn't the personnel, but the management of said personnel that needs tweaking.