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Reverend Doo-Rag
08-01-2006, 10:56 AM
What washed-up stars played for the Reds briefly toward the ends of their careers?

Along the lines of:
Leon Durham
Jerry Reuss
Manny Trillo
Frank Viola
Lee Smith
????

Schmitbuck
08-01-2006, 10:58 AM
Big Fatty... Kevin Mitchell

Redhook
08-01-2006, 11:01 AM
Chris Hammond and Joe Mays.

:D

BuckU
08-01-2006, 11:02 AM
Vince Coleman
Terry Pendelton

dabvu2498
08-01-2006, 11:02 AM
Lenny Harris (the 2nd time)
Jeff Reardon
Ken Griffey Sr. (the 2nd time)
Kent Tekulve
Dave Collins
Joel Youngblood
Jerry Reuss

Ltlabner
08-01-2006, 11:04 AM
Didn't Hal Morris come back a few years after being traded? I think he was around for one year or something.

dabvu2498
08-01-2006, 11:06 AM
Didn't Hal Morris come back a few years after being traded? I think he was around for one year or something.
He was only gone 1 year.

So did Atanasio Perez and Peter Edward Rose.

ochre
08-01-2006, 11:06 AM
Tom Hume

corkedbat
08-01-2006, 11:09 AM
Cesar Cedeno

Falls City Beer
08-01-2006, 11:09 AM
Stan Belinda
Tony Womack

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 11:11 AM
Big Fatty... Kevin Mitchell

Kevin Mitchell played incredibly well for the Reds. He did his drain-circling in Boston, Cleveland, Oakland, and Japan.

Falls City Beer
08-01-2006, 11:13 AM
Kevin Mitchell played incredibly well for the Reds. He did his drain-circling in Boston, Cleveland, Oakland, and Japan.

I think he meant his brief return in 96, when he wasn't really all that anymore; he played well with the Reds but the end was near.

westofyou
08-01-2006, 11:17 AM
Chick Haffey
Babe Herman
Al Simmons
Kiki Cuyler
Christy Mathewson
Frank Viola
Buck Ewing
Arlie Latham
Old Hoss Radbourn
Amos Rusie
Candy Cummings (first HOF player on Reds)
Pete Browning
Charles Comiskey

IowaRed
08-01-2006, 11:26 AM
Ben Weber
Jon Vander Wal
Harry Heilmann
Joe Tinker
Dazzy Vance
Lloyd Waner

Unassisted
08-01-2006, 11:26 AM
Buddy Bell
Jim Kerns

captainmorgan07
08-01-2006, 11:28 AM
let's not forget todd van poppel

jmble
08-01-2006, 11:30 AM
Rick Mahler... Yeah, he wasn't very good, but I still remember seeing him in a Reds uniform for the first time without a beard or mustache. It was kind of startling actually. And in the time of typing this I just learned that he died last year at the age of 51. Sad...

Dunner44
08-01-2006, 11:32 AM
aw, somebody beat me to Todd van poppel. And to think, an Poppel was once one of those heralded young starters that got called up right after they turned 20. Thats why you don't rush young pitchers.

princeton
08-01-2006, 11:33 AM
Jr

redsmetz
08-01-2006, 11:34 AM
Cesar Cedeno

I'm not sure I would agree with calling Cedeno "washed up" when he came to the Reds. Certainly you can see he was at the beginning of the downside (he never went to the All Star game with the Reds, wasn't a leader in any categories either). He had a decent 3+ years with us before we sent him to St. Louis.

jmble
08-01-2006, 11:36 AM
jr? that's kinda harsh....

chicoruiz
08-01-2006, 11:39 AM
Roger Craig
Don Newcombe
Walker Cooper
Augie Galan
Walt Dropo
Joe Hoerner (a personal fave)

And of course during the war years the mummified remains of Estel Crabtree, Hod Lisenbee and Boom-Boom Beck were displayed at Crosley Field.

BUTLER REDSFAN
08-01-2006, 11:39 AM
norm charleton

cumberlandreds
08-01-2006, 11:40 AM
Here's a few I thought of:

Paul Blair
Larry Biittner
Andy Kosco
Larry Stahl
Joe Hoerner
Bob Bailey
Merv Rettenmund
Roger Freed
Ken Henderson
Julian Javier

redsmetz
08-01-2006, 11:40 AM
Buddy Bell
Jim Kerns

So how do we define "washed up"? Is washed up the same thing as declining? Buddy Bell had his highest home run total (20) while playing his first full season with the Reds and 17 the year after. Again, he had peaked but wasn't "washed up" in his first few years with the Reds.

cumberlandreds
08-01-2006, 11:43 AM
So how do we define "washed up"? Is washed up the same thing as declining? Buddy Bell had his highest home run total (20) while playing his first full season with the Reds and 17 the year after. Again, he had peaked but wasn't "washed up" in his first few years with the Reds.

You are correct Buddy Bell was not washed up when he came to the Reds. He had a couple of very nice seasons with the Reds.

Red Leader
08-01-2006, 11:49 AM
if Buddy Bell qualifies as washed up, then Dave Parker should qualify under those same terms.

Danny Serafini
08-01-2006, 11:53 AM
Jack Morris went to Spring Training and retired.

Redsland
08-01-2006, 11:57 AM
Jeff Reardon
Steve Avery
Dave Martinez
Jose Rijo
Deion Sanders
Mike Morgan
Dante Bichette
Jimmy Haynes
Joey Hamilton
Darren Bragg
John VanderWal
Ramon Ortiz
Paul Wilson

Unassisted
08-01-2006, 12:02 PM
if Buddy Bell qualifies as washed up, then Dave Parker should qualify under those same terms.I considered putting Parker on my list, but he was the offensive leader of the club for part of his time with the Reds. Bell was just underwhelming. He didn't live up to the hype surrounding his arrival, while Parker did make substantial contributions early on in his time with the club.

westofyou
08-01-2006, 12:05 PM
I considered putting Parker on my list, but he was the offensive leader of the club for part of his time with the Reds
Plus, being washed up usually doesn't get you Jose Rijo in a trade.

Heath
08-01-2006, 12:11 PM
Jack Morris went to Spring Training and retired.

So did Tim Burke.

I was waiting for woy's responses - Chick Hafey was an all-star in '33 - but was on the downside of his career.

Merv Rettenmund hit a wall - he was supposed to be NOT washed up.

I think all the good ones were taken from the lists above. I'm blanking except for Paul Blair.

boognish
08-01-2006, 12:13 PM
Bill Doran
Carmelo Martinez

...and, of course, though not really in the spirit of the thread, I would feel remiss if I did not mention the AMAZING return of Jose Rijo from 6 (?) arm surgeries in the latter part of the 2001 season.

I remember sitting right behind home plate in the fourth row for his first home start after he returned (April 2002). I remember the game was shortened by rain and Jose got the win...while it was raining early almost everyone ran for cover, and at one point Jose tipped his cap to my friend and I, who were cheering vociferously and getting drenched.

redsmetz
08-01-2006, 12:14 PM
I considered putting Parker on my list, but he was the offensive leader of the club for part of his time with the Reds. Bell was just underwhelming. He didn't live up to the hype surrounding his arrival, while Parker did make substantial contributions early on in his time with the club.

How do you consider Bell underwhelming? He came over in 1985 and left midway in 1988, all seasons in which the Reds finished in 2nd place (Pete Rose's legacy, btw).

In 1986 he was third on the team in HR's behind Parker & Davis, 2nd in RBI's behind Parker. In 1987 he was 4th in HR's and RBI's behind Davis, Parker & Esasky in HR's and Davis, Parker and Diaz in RBI's. That's hardly washed up in those two seasons.

Unfortunately those teams were always just short and I'm sure there are others here who can name the particulars as to what was missing that kept these teams from going over the top.

westofyou
08-01-2006, 12:15 PM
Chick Hafey was an all-star in '33
Mark Redmond was an AS this year, the Reds were Royals back then.

No strike that... they were way worse and far more hopeless.

westofyou
08-01-2006, 12:19 PM
Speaking of washed up vets the Red Wings just signed Hasek to be their goalie, Mich Albom has a funny piece about washed up vets and Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060801/SPORTS05/608010360/1053

cumberlandreds
08-01-2006, 12:20 PM
How do you consider Bell underwhelming? He came over in 1985 and left midway in 1988, all seasons in which the Reds finished in 2nd place (Pete Rose's legacy, btw).

In 1986 he was third on the team in HR's behind Parker & Davis, 2nd in RBI's behind Parker. In 1987 he was 4th in HR's and RBI's behind Davis, Parker & Esasky in HR's and Davis, Parker and Diaz in RBI's. That's hardly washed up in those two seasons.

Unfortunately those teams were always just short and I'm sure there are others here who can name the particulars as to what was missing that kept these teams from going over the top.

Some would say they lacked a good manager. I think they were always a starter or two away and lacked a consistent bullpen.

redsupport
08-01-2006, 12:23 PM
Julian Javier
Ted Uhlaender
Joe Hague
Merv Rettenmund
Greg Cadaret
Bob Bailey
Mike Lum
Ken Griffey(both)

Red Leader
08-01-2006, 12:24 PM
Alex Trevino

BuckU
08-01-2006, 12:24 PM
Benito Santiago (the second time in like '01)

maniem
08-01-2006, 12:28 PM
Jason Bere
Ruben Sierra (It seemed like he was done after playing terrible with the Reds, but then had a rebirth with the yanks as a dh/ph...)

Team Clark
08-01-2006, 12:28 PM
Chris Sabo (2nd time)
Thomas Howard
David Weathers (1st and 2nd time)
Damon Berryhill
Barry Larkin JK!!!!
Darren Bragg

redsupport
08-01-2006, 12:30 PM
Pete Smith
Jim Duffalo
Steve Cooke
Jack Baldschun
Charlie Neal
Fred Whitfield

flyer85
08-01-2006, 12:33 PM
John Denny

chicoruiz
08-01-2006, 01:10 PM
Just thought I'd mention that Hod Lisenbee was 46 when he played for the Reds and hadn't appeared in the majors in nine years. That deserves special mention IMHO.

goreds2
08-01-2006, 01:45 PM
Joe Hoerner (a personal fave)



Whenever I see with my Uncle (once or twice a year), we always talk about Joe. He was TERRIBLE during that 1977 season. (8 games/12.71 ERA)

We saw him give up a grand slam to Willie McCovey that year.

Another name: Juan Guzman

redsupport
08-01-2006, 01:55 PM
joe henderson
ken henderson
guillermo garcia
bob barton
brad gulden
hal smith
bob schmidt
sammy taylor
danny breedan

ochre
08-01-2006, 02:03 PM
Brian Moeller?

BuckWoody
08-01-2006, 02:09 PM
Billy Martin played for the Reds in 1960.
Edd Roush came back for his final year in 1931.

2001MUgrad
08-01-2006, 02:30 PM
Ron Gant

redsupport
08-01-2006, 03:12 PM
the great joe gibbon
the indomitable doug bair

jpurdy974
08-01-2006, 04:33 PM
Does anybody remember bo belinsky?

It8ifyifitsgrif
08-01-2006, 05:01 PM
Brandon Larson (washed up when born)
Jeffery Hammonds
Juan Guzman
Royce Clayton
Darren Lewis
Kelly Stinnett
Rick White
Russell Branyan
Shawn Estes
Ruben Rivera
Brian Hunter
Denny Neagle
Pete Harnisch
Mike Morgan
Mariano Duncan (2nd time)

Matt700wlw
08-01-2006, 05:05 PM
Pete Rose :D

(he never actually retired - and I don't think was ever really "washed up")

Highlifeman21
08-01-2006, 05:08 PM
Brandon Larson (washed up when born)
Jeffery Hammonds
Juan Guzman
Royce Clayton
Darren Lewis
Kelly Stinnett
Rick White
Russell Branyan
Shawn Estes
Ruben Rivera
Brian Hunter
Denny Neagle
Pete Harnisch
Mike Morgan
Mariano Duncan (2nd time)

I'll argue those 2 with you.

The rest of them, definitely accurate.

15fan
08-01-2006, 05:13 PM
Another name: Juan Guzman

:confused:

After being acquired by Bowden, Juan went 6-3 in 12 starts for the Reds. He logged 77 & 1/3 innings with a 3.03 ERA.

He was one of the better 7/31 acquisitions in recent memory. No way was he washed up.

Now his flameout in Tampa after he left Cincinnati is another story...

dabvu2498
08-01-2006, 05:19 PM
after[/i] he left Cincinnati is another story...
Changing the subject to Greg Vaughn...

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 05:26 PM
Brian Moehler

reds44
08-01-2006, 05:27 PM
This one hurts to say but it appears you could add Griffey Jr. to that list.

OldRedBuck
08-01-2006, 05:39 PM
A few from memory...

Woodie Fryman
Larry Biittner
Bo Diaz
Dave Collins
Mark Portugal
Stan Belinda

ochre
08-01-2006, 05:46 PM
Brian Moehler:wave:

redsupport
08-01-2006, 06:26 PM
ryne duren
camilio pascual
pedro ramos
jim beauchamp
junior kennedy
jay ritchie

redsmetz
08-01-2006, 06:31 PM
I think it's a bit unfair to put Harnisch on this list. He was our leading pitcher in 1998 and 1999. It would be accurate, IMO, to say he broke down while he was here. If ever there was a guy I wish could have come back from physical problems, it was Pete Harnisch (well I'd add Mario Soto and Jose Rijos too, but you get the point). He was great for this club and an absolute stand-up guy.

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 06:53 PM
:wave:

Yes, but what about Brian Moeller?

Matt700wlw
08-01-2006, 06:54 PM
Paul Wilson

Z-Fly
08-01-2006, 07:42 PM
Pete Rose (the second time).... Yes I said it.

redsupport
08-01-2006, 07:57 PM
juan samuel
todd benzinger
todd williams
doug capilla
aaron myette
mark kroon
pedro martinez
angel torres
dick baney

dougflynn23
08-01-2006, 10:31 PM
:) 50% of the names on here were not washed up. You had to have once been good to be washed up. The names that come to mind most quickly are Jerry Reuss, Jeff Reardon, Lee Smith, Paul Blair, Ken Henderson, Ken Griffey Sr, Frank Viola, Joe Hoerner, Terry Pendelton, Vince Coleman, and Ruben Sierra.

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 10:39 PM
:) 50% of the names on here were not washed up. You had to have once been good to be washed up. The names that come to mind most quickly are Jerry Reuss, Jeff Reardon, Lee Smith, Paul Blair, Ken Henderson, Ken Griffey Sr, Frank Viola, Joe Hoerner, Terry Pendelton, Vince Coleman, and Ruben Sierra.

I guess that excludes Royce Clayton.