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Matt700wlw
08-01-2006, 04:47 PM
CNNSI.COM
Hooray for Wayne Krivsky! The new Reds' GM has been one of the most proactive executives in the game this summer, an animal unbeknownst in Cincinnati since Jim Bowden left town. Krivsky knows that the Reds, even with a flawed pitching staff, can find a place in what will be a weak NL postseason lineup.
Both Lohse and Cormier figure to pitch from the bullpen, making the game shorter for starters like Bronson Arroyo and Aaron Harang. In the past month, backed by new Reds ownership, Krivsky has added Eddie Guardado, Gary Majewski, Bill Bray and these two pitchers to what is now a sturdy pen.
"They stepped up here. We took on some extra payroll. They're standing behind some of the statements they made when they took over the club," Krivsky said of ownership, including new top man Bob Castellini. "I can't emphasize that enough."
Bottom line: Lohse wants to return to the rotation eventually, but he'll be fine in the pen in his switch to the NL, for now. And veteran Cormier must feel like he stepped onto the cliff's edge just as the bridge collapsed behind him. The Reds are players.

Ken Rosenthal, FOXSPORTS
Reds-Winners
In a market almost devoid of pitching, Reds GM Wayne Krivsky overhauled almost his entire bullpen, acquiring five...count 'em, five....relievers. His trade with the Nationals drew criticism from almost every corner of the industry, but Krivsky identified his team's weakness and attacked it relentlessly.
The Reds, 10-6 since the trade, continue to lead the NL wild-card race. It still seems illogical to swap two 26-year-old position players, shortstop Felipe Lopez and outfielder Austin Kearns, for two middle-inning relievers, right-hander Gary Majewski and left-hander Bill Bray. But let's see how it all turns out. Both Lopez and Kearns are flawed. And if the Reds make the postseason, Krivsky will be Executive of the Year.

CBS Sportsline.....Standing ovations
Cincinnati: Maybe the Reds don't catch St. Louis in the NL Central. Maybe they don't even hold onto their current wild-card playoff slot. But rookie general manager Wayne Krivsky, after waiting years to get his chance to run a big-league club, has done a phenomenal job in completely overhauling a bullpen that was leaking more than BALCO grand jury testimony.
A few weeks ago the Reds bullpen ranked last in the NL. In short order, Krivsky added Bill Bray and Gary Majewski , Eddie Guardado and, on Monday, Rheal Cormier and Kyle Lohse. Krivsky was criticized in some quarters for overpaying in the Bray/Majewski deal, but that chorus was braying mostly because their pants were too tight. Krivsky has watched a huge problem develop this summer and he's attempting to do something about it.
If Krivsky remodels this well at home, his wife undoubtedly has the nicest kitchen in the state.

Heath
08-01-2006, 04:49 PM
To heck with that - what about Siskel & Ebert?

keeganbrick
08-01-2006, 04:51 PM
But rookie general manager Wayne Krivsky, after waiting years to get his chance to run a big-league club, has done a phenomenal job in completely overhauling a bullpen that was leaking more than BALCO grand jury testimony.

Lovin that statement.

CySeymour
08-01-2006, 04:52 PM
To heck with that - what about Siskel & Ebert?

Or those two old guys in the balcony on the Muppets

Spring~Fields
08-01-2006, 04:57 PM
Krivsky deserves a lot of credit and it is nice to see some of the media recognizing his determined efforts. He certainly has given his coaching staff tools to work with, now we will have to wait and see if his staff can apply the tools and use them correctly in a presssure cooker situation when the guys on the other side are really coming after them in the last two months.

OldRedBuck
08-01-2006, 05:00 PM
Count me in as one who is strongly in favor of all the trades. The club basically gave up nothing:

-Kearns: It really was just a matter of time before he fell asleep on the field.
-Lopez: One of those P guys that Jim loves...Trust me I know (look through my previous posts). However; the bad vastly outweighs the good with Lopez.
-Germano: Dime a dozen type. Does just enough to raise ones eyebrows, but is most likely a two or three year guy at the bottom of the rotation.

The one thing that I feel people are missing on is that by greatly strengthening the bullpen with solid depth, Krivsky has improved the starting pitching as well. Heading into the break, Narron was "forced" (by the horrible bullpen) to leave both Arroyo and Harang in the game much longer than was appropriate.

Arroyo's current slump, IMO, is the result of being over worked for a span.

Also, to the Clayton haters on the board. Simply, this is a much better team with Clayton as opposed to Lopez. For this year.

justincredible
08-01-2006, 05:03 PM
Also, to the Clayton haters on the board. Simply, this is a much better team with Clayton as opposed to Lopez. For this year.

I think this would be a much better team with Castro as opposed to Clayton and Lopez.

redsmetz
08-01-2006, 05:24 PM
To heck with that - what about Siskel & Ebert?

Two Thumbs Up! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
08-01-2006, 05:27 PM
To heck with that - what about Siskel & Ebert?

Siskel is no longer with us...

Rob Dicken
08-01-2006, 05:33 PM
I think this would be a much better team with Castro as opposed to Clayton and Lopez.

That it would be....defensive wise.

Clayton was a downgrade, to be honest. He's mediocre at best fielding wise (which was an upgrade over Lopez, somewhat), and atrocious at hitting (obviously a downgrade). Especially when he's moved to the 8 spot in the order, then we might as well count him done.

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 05:47 PM
Count me in as one who is strongly in favor of all the trades. The club basically gave up nothing:

-Kearns: It really was just a matter of time before he fell asleep on the field.
-Lopez: One of those P guys that Jim loves...Trust me I know (look through my previous posts). However; the bad vastly outweighs the good with Lopez.
-Germano: Dime a dozen type. Does just enough to raise ones eyebrows, but is most likely a two or three year guy at the bottom of the rotation.

The one thing that I feel people are missing on is that by greatly strengthening the bullpen with solid depth, Krivsky has improved the starting pitching as well. Heading into the break, Narron was "forced" (by the horrible bullpen) to leave both Arroyo and Harang in the game much longer than was appropriate.

Arroyo's current slump, IMO, is the result of being over worked for a span.

Also, to the Clayton haters on the board. Simply, this is a much better team with Clayton as opposed to Lopez. For this year.

I agree with you that Arroyo's slump has to do with him being overworked and that Germano was cannon fodder. Apart from that, I agree with nothing else.

Kearns "fell asleep on the field" to the tune of an .843 OPS prior to the trade -- 10th best among qualifying MLB right fielders and 28 among all outfielders. His OPS has actually improved since then -- it's .873 with Washington.

Lopez has struggled this season compared to last season, but his OPS prior to the trade was 10th best among qualifying shortstops. His defense is bad, but his offense outweighs it by a fair margin.

Neither of these players were as worthless as some stone-throwing Reds fans would lead you to believe.

Narron managed the starting rotation in July just like he did prior to the All-Star break. He leaves starters in too long, even with the revamped bullpen. That's just his thing. I bet he keeps doing it.

Royce Clayton was a great defender in the 1990's. Those days are gone. Now he's old and has very little range. His bat has always stunk, and despite his two-week flurry of decent offense, it will start stinking again soon.

buckeyenut
08-01-2006, 05:50 PM
I think that the amazing thing in all of this is that since I believe the allstar break or just before, Krivsky has taken a bottom 3 bullpen in the MLBs and turned them into maybe a top 5.

TeamBoone
08-01-2006, 05:57 PM
I agree with you that Arroyo's slump has to do with him being overworked and that Germano was cannon fodder. Apart from that, I agree with nothing else.

I agree with everything you said except the above. In fact, I applaud the fact that someone is actually defending Kearns and Lopez who quickly became the local whipping boys following the trade.

The reason I disagree with the above is that:

- IMHO, Arroyo is not in a slump. He got bumped a bit in one inning and had a bad game or two in addition to that (but not recently). IMHO, that does not translate to a slump.

- Germano never got the chance to be considered cannon fodder. He pitched a decent game last Saturday, not stellar, but decent for the young rookie's first attempt at the big league level. We will never know how he might have turned out for the Reds.

HBP
08-01-2006, 06:48 PM
His defense is bad, but his offense outweighs it by a fair margin.


How do you figure this? Is it through stats or your opinion? I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, just want to know if there's a formula or something.

Matt700wlw
08-01-2006, 06:51 PM
I think that the amazing thing in all of this is that since I believe the allstar break or just before, Krivsky has taken a bottom 3 bullpen in the MLBs and turned them into maybe a top 5.

Bullpen ERA of 3.10 since...


It was 5 something before.

OldRedBuck
08-01-2006, 08:36 PM
Germano never got the change to be considered cannon fodder. He pitched a decent game last Saturday, not stellar, but decent for the young rookie's first attempt at the big league level. We will never know how he might have turned out for the Reds.

To Germano...interesting pitcher, but again there was nothing there to hang your hat on with him. He was at his best a few days ago and still had difficulty getting MLB players out. I watched that game from start to finish and he just does not have the "stuff" to move beyond a low starter for a short period of time. Sorry, that is just my opinion.

To Clayton...He is exactly what this team needs right now from a SS. Did you all miss the solo DP to end the game a few nights ago? Clayton is making plays look routine that Lopez would have dogged. Last time I checked, Lopez made a throwing error (last night) that allowed two runs to score.

To Arroyo: I may have overstated it by saying he is in a slump...I just want to make sure posters realize that a better bullpen also makes for a better starting group...

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 09:45 PM
- Arroyo is not in a slump. He got bumped a bit in one inning and had a bad game or two in addition to that (but not recently). IMHO, that does not translate to a slump.

He hasn't been pitching as well as he did in the first half. He seems to suffer from at least one bad 3-run inning per game lately.


- Germano never got the change to be considered cannon fodder. He pitched a decent game last Saturday, not stellar, but decent for the young rookie's first attempt at the big league level. We will never know how he might have turned out for the Reds.

I agree that Germano never got a chance. I would have liked to see him used as a middle reliever (one of those cheap pitchers who give you 70 good innings per year and don't cost talent to acquire). But really, he never did anything in the minor leagues to make himself anything but expendable.

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 09:48 PM
To Clayton...He is exactly what this team needs right now from a SS. Did you all miss the solo DP to end the game a few nights ago? Clayton is making plays look routine that Lopez would have dogged. Last time I checked, Lopez made a throwing error (last night) that allowed two runs to score.

To Arroyo: I may have overstated it by saying he is in a slump...I just want to make sure posters realize that a better bullpen also makes for a better starting group...

Did you see the grounder Clayton botched last week? How about the DP he botched tonight? How many extra hits have the Reds given up because he simply can't get to the ball?

Granted, he does look slick when the ball is hit right to him and he can make an easy throw to first. But if he has to move more than a step, he's bad.

And the objective research (the Fielding Bible) does support that assertion.

Speaking of that better bullpen...how did they look tonight? :thumbdown

Johnny Footstool
08-01-2006, 09:52 PM
How do you figure this? Is it through stats or your opinion? I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, just want to know if there's a formula or something.

The Fielding Bible is a comprehensive review of baseball defense. Their staff looks at every play made in MLB during the year. Every play. They rate how hard the ball was hit, how far the fielder had to run, how cleanly it was fielded (if it was indeed fielded), and how strong and accurate the throw was. Aside from watching every single MLB play yourself, I don't think there's a better way to evaluate a fielder.

They rated Clayton as a poor defender overall.

He hasn't shown me anything to exonerate himself.

OldRedBuck
08-01-2006, 09:54 PM
ML Baseball is a Marathon, not a sprint...

Patience folks...patience.

This club is better positioned (for this year) than they were two weeks ago...

Matt700wlw
08-01-2006, 10:24 PM
ML Baseball is a Marathon, not a sprint...

Patience folks...patience.

This club is better positioned (for this year) than they were two weeks ago...

Yes. I agree.

Tonight sucks though :rant:

TeamBoone
08-01-2006, 11:35 PM
To Germano...interesting pitcher, but again there was nothing there to hang your hat on with him. He was at his best a few days ago and still had difficulty getting MLB players out. I watched that game from start to finish and he just does not have the "stuff" to move beyond a low starter for a short period of time. Sorry, that is just my opinion.

I stand by my thought that you should not judge Germano by the only game he's pitched in the majors.

TeamBoone
08-01-2006, 11:38 PM
Speaking of that better bullpen...how did they look tonight? :thumbdown

Bray kind of fell apart, but I think he's better than what he showed tonight. I don't know what to think about Majik yet.

Hopefully, the new guys got the new team jitters out of the way tonight and will look a whole lot different the next time they take the ball.

Johnny Footstool
08-02-2006, 12:00 AM
ML Baseball is a Marathon, not a sprint...

Patience folks...patience.

This club is better positioned (for this year) than they were two weeks ago...

Patience.

I agree.

Krivsky should have been patient and not traded Kearns and Lopez for mediocre middle relief and Royce Clayton.

Spring~Fields
08-02-2006, 12:12 AM
ML Baseball is a Marathon, not a sprint...

Patience folks...patience.



patience :bang:

Reds fans have been patient, it has been 16, 16 years since they last went to the World Series. That is over half a lifetime for many fans on this board, a quarter of a lifetime for the rest.

KalDanielsfan
08-02-2006, 12:14 AM
Patience.

I agree.

Krivsky should have been patient and not traded Kearns and Lopez for mediocre middle relief and Royce Clayton.


thank god someone said it!

most of u guys just dont get it. any addition to the bullpen would have been seen as a "great move"

guess what? we could have gotten waaay better talent in middle relief for lopez/kearns.

why cant anybody see that? we got scammed big time.

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2006, 09:05 AM
I do not need a Marathon to know that RC.....is no better at SS than Lopez, Tom Foley, Doug Flynn, Ed Crosby, Woody Woodward, Darrel Chaney, Dick Chaney, Dick Cavett......

Johnny Footstool
08-02-2006, 09:26 AM
I do not need a Marathon to know that RC.....is no better at SS than Lopez, Tom Foley, Doug Flynn, Ed Crosby, Woody Woodward, Darrel Chaney, Dick Chaney, Dick Cavett......

Dick Cavett was better known for his bat -- his short, compact swing generated a lot of doubles.

Fat_Strat
08-02-2006, 03:18 PM
ML Baseball is a Marathon, not a sprint...

Patience folks...patience.

This club is better positioned (for this year) than they were two weeks ago...

And, as a Cards fan, we are weaker and more vulnerable than we've been in 6 years.

You better make your run now while we're retooling. That's what Krivsky's doing, and it's a darn good strategy... though trading Kearns and Lopez is a strange way to execute that strategy.

There are many Cards fans who would have traded Reyes for Kearns in the offseason. You would have made out like bandits in that deal... Instead, you got bullpen help that's arguably the same as Hancock.

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 03:34 PM
guess what? we could have gotten waaay better talent in middle relief for lopez/kearns.



Ok...what could they have gotten? You must have inside information that Wayne Krivsky doesn't...


You really think he didn't try to get the most he could? Perhaps Lopez isn't as valuable as some on here woud think? Since he left, it's almost like he's a hall of famer.

I was a little surprised with Kearns, but maybe the rest of the world doesn't think the same about him as we do.



Yes, Clayton has been pretty hard to watch.

REDREAD
08-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Bullpen ERA of 3.10 since...


It was 5 something before.

As Reds (small samples of course).. And I know Cormier and Louse only have one appearance, this is just for the sake of completeness

Cormier 27 ERA
Louse 9 ERA
Guarado 1.04 ERA
Maj 11.37 ERA
Bray 2.57 ERA

Guarado and Bray have really helped turn the pen around. But we've also gotten improvement out of the guys that we already had (Coffey, Standbridge, and Weathers have pitched pretty well of late)

TeamBoone
08-02-2006, 06:56 PM
There are many Cards fans who would have traded Reyes for Kearns in the offseason. You would have made out like bandits in that deal... Instead, you got bullpen help that's arguably the same as Hancock.

I guess I'm of the feeling that you don't trade a player like Kearns to any team within your own division. Except under dire circumstances, IMHO, it shouldn't even be considered.