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RedLegSuperStar
08-03-2006, 12:10 PM
MLBTradeRumors.com:


Rob Bradford of Massachusett's Eagle-Tribune apparently writes that Andruw Jones has been placed on waivers by the Braves. I discovered this via Buster Olney's blog, but I can't find any online account of Bradford's article. Said Olney:

"In any event, I seriously doubt Jones will be playing for anybody but the Braves, despite the fact that in the next week, he'll earn the 10-and-5 right to veto any trade. But we'll soon know if anybody has placed a claim, and whether the Braves are willing to discuss a trade."

Jones makes $13.5MM next season in the last year of his contract. He'll turn 30 in the beginning of the '07 season. Andruw's .350 OBP and .514 SLG are right in line with career norms. Baseball Prospectus expects him to remain at this level until about 2009. Remember, National League teams would get the first crack at Jones if more than one club puts in a claim. I could see the Cardinals and Astros putting in claims. If the Braves can't make a deal with the team that claimed Jones, they can always just pull him back.

What could the Reds offer for him?

Edwin Encarnacion, Chris Denorfia (Alone should make this deal happen), Calvin Medlock, Tyler Pelland?

Line-up:

Freel 2B
Phillips SS
Dunn LF
Griffey RF
Jones CF
Hatteberg 1B
Aurilia 3B
Ross C

BRM
08-03-2006, 12:12 PM
Everyone gets placed on waivers in August.

redsfan30
08-03-2006, 12:15 PM
I don't know why writers make something out of nothing in this case.

Every single player in the Major Leagues is put on waivers on August 1st.

buckeyenut
08-03-2006, 12:23 PM
MLBTradeRumors.com:



What could the Reds offer for him?

Edwin Encarnacion, Chris Denorfia (Alone should make this deal happen), Calvin Medlock, Tyler Pelland?

Line-up:

Freel 2B
Phillips SS
Dunn LF
Griffey RF
Jones CF
Hatteberg 1B
Aurilia 3B
Ross C
No way would I offer Encarnacion for him. But if they would take the other three for him and Cast would pay the contract, I could live with it.

Besides, he is one of 100's of players on waivers this week and the next couple. This is a nonstory.

RedLegSuperStar
08-03-2006, 12:47 PM
Everyone gets placed on waivers in August.

Anyone know of a link where to see the list of players placed on waivers?

NJReds
08-03-2006, 12:49 PM
Anyone know of a link where to see the list of players placed on waivers?

Technically it's supposed to be confidential. So there's no official published lists. A few names always seem to leak out.

RBA
08-03-2006, 01:12 PM
I doubt Andruw Jones would be on the Reds. But IMO, he's one of the few players Junior would move over to Right Field for.

IslandRed
08-03-2006, 01:34 PM
I don't know why writers make something out of nothing in this case.

Every single player in the Major Leagues is put on waivers on August 1st.

Yeah. If they found out Andruw Jones was NOT placed on waivers in August, that would be newsworthy.

SunDeck
08-03-2006, 01:47 PM
I remember that lots of players get placed on waivers. Here's a little info:


By the time August rolls around, at least half of all major leaguers have been put on waivers. The ones who’ve cleared waivers—in other words, not claimed by any team—are eligible to be traded after July 31. Everyone else has to remain with their current teams for the rest of the season.

From About.com (http://baseball.about.com/od/lesserknownrules/a/traderules.htm)

smith288
08-03-2006, 02:37 PM
I don't know why writers make something out of nothing in this case.

Every single player in the Major Leagues is put on waivers on August 1st.
Actually, technically thats not true.

Each team is limited to 7 players per day.

Team Clark
08-03-2006, 03:06 PM
Everyone gets placed on waivers in August.

I find it "stunning" that we have this come up every year. I know there are people who are new to the game and do not know all the ins and outs but the number of people who do not know this is amazing to me.

princeton
08-03-2006, 03:14 PM
I've always wished that they'd release the names of players that clear waivers completely and those that do not. I've never seen what harm that would cause, especially if players already understand that everyone will go on waivers

BCubb2003
08-03-2006, 03:15 PM
I don't blame the fans if the sportswriters can't figure it out.

This just in ... Reds place Encarnacion and Dunn on waivers ...

zombie-a-go-go
08-03-2006, 03:18 PM
I find it "stunning" that we have this come up every year. I know there are people who are new to the game and do not know all the ins and outs but the number of people who do not know this is amazing to me.

I'd venture to say that most people don't know all the ins and outs. I never knew about the waiver-wire thing until I started visiting this board.

KronoRed
08-03-2006, 03:59 PM
Everyone gets placed on waivers in August.
Even Adam Dunn and Albert Pujols

StillFunkyB
08-03-2006, 04:23 PM
I've always wished that they'd release the names of players that clear waivers completely and those that do not. I've never seen what harm that would cause, especially if players already understand that everyone will go on waivers

I'm sure "the union" has some "good" reason for it. Please note the quotes around the word good.

redsandrails
08-03-2006, 05:57 PM
See I don't get what happens though if he passes through waivers.... Hypothetically speaking if that deal was the case Encarnacion would also have to pass through for that to happen, right? Or else you could bend the rules so much that the July 31st deadline would be insignificant. But minor leaguers... are they all elidgeable to be traded?

IslandRed
08-03-2006, 06:04 PM
I'm sure "the union" has some "good" reason for it. Please note the quotes around the word good.

This is probably one of those instances where management and the union are in agreement. GMs don't want a detailed list out there of who they could have traded for and didn't. Players don't want a detailed list out there of who wasn't even worth a waiver claim.

Puffy
08-03-2006, 06:07 PM
I'd venture to say that most people don't know all the ins and outs. I never knew about the waiver-wire thing until I started visiting this board.

Yeah, but you're a D&D geek.

Puffy
08-03-2006, 06:08 PM
:mooner:

KronoRed
08-03-2006, 06:12 PM
Nice :clap:

Spitball
08-03-2006, 06:24 PM
I find it "stunning" that we have this come up every year. I know there are people who are new to the game and do not know all the ins and outs but the number of people who do not know this is amazing to me.

The Eagle Tribune is not really a big time paper. It serves Lawrence, North Andover some other small towns near the New Hampshire border. This isn't a writer from one of the major papers, The Boston Globe or The Boston Herald so he could be a kid out of college who just worked his way out of the obits.

redsandrails
08-03-2006, 06:25 PM
Well actually there are benefits of a public waiver list, or at least players knowing. Say for instance Eric Milton.... He has a clause in his contract that if he wants he can be a free agent after this year. Say for instance he was pitching well right now- like 10-7 with a 4.25 ERA.... If he slipped through waivers it says that he is overpaid basically and in the midst of a penant race even there was no intest in his services at a rate of 10M a year. So likewise if he finds out he has no interest via waivers for that rate he can make the decision to take the player option for 2007 (which he obviously will), because I mean if no one wants him right now in the playoff race then a snow balls chance in hell someone would give him the same or more money even as a free agent. Now say he was claimed and the Reds took him back then he is obviously valuable and being a free agent someone would most definately overpay for his services in the offseason. The three outcomes- claim then take off...slip through... and claimed and taken by another team tell a lot about a player's value and the eventual free agent interest in them.

IslandRed
08-03-2006, 06:27 PM
I'm sure the players end up knowing if they went through waivers. That doesn't mean they want to read it in the newspaper.

LexingtonRedsFan
08-03-2006, 07:23 PM
Wasnt the last high profile player claimed during waivers randy myers? Seems I remember san diego (??) claiming him to prevent him going to another contender.

PuffyPig
08-03-2006, 09:01 PM
Wasnt the last high profile player claimed during waivers randy myers? Seems I remember san diego (??) claiming him to prevent him going to another contender.
Yes, and then getting stuck with his contract.

Wasn't that one of the reasons they had to move Greg Vaughn?

LexingtonRedsFan
08-03-2006, 10:11 PM
Yes, and then getting stuck with his contract.

Wasn't that one of the reasons they had to move Greg Vaughn?

I dont remember the vaughn move, but I remember Myers was useless to them and seems they owed him money the following season and I dont believe he ever pitched for them....

Team Clark
08-03-2006, 10:21 PM
I dont remember the vaughn move, but I remember Myers was useless to them and seems they owed him money the following season and I dont believe he ever pitched for them....


That does ring a bell. I'm sure LINEDRIVER can do the research on that.

deltachi8
08-03-2006, 10:28 PM
SD claimed Randall K to block him from going to Atlanta and the Cubs (i belive) just said, OK, he's yours instead of pulling him back.

While SD prevented ATL from getting him, they did get stuck with the albatros of a contract for RKM.

reds44
08-03-2006, 11:49 PM
He cleared waivers.

KronoRed
08-04-2006, 04:10 AM
SD claimed Randall K to block him from going to Atlanta and the Cubs (i belive) just said, OK, he's yours instead of pulling him back.

While SD prevented ATL from getting him, they did get stuck with the albatros of a contract for RKM.
21 games and a 6.28 ERA for (i think) 12 million

Ouch.

LexingtonRedsFan
08-04-2006, 03:34 PM
21 games and a 6.28 ERA for (i think) 12 million

Ouch.

I bet every GM has those numbers in the back of their mind when they think of putting in a waiver claim.

Hooligan
08-04-2006, 03:45 PM
An unnamed team has been awarded a claim of Jones. The Braves have until 1pm Saturday to decide if they are going to trade him or keep him for the rest of the year.

dsmith421
08-04-2006, 03:51 PM
Wasnt the last high profile player claimed during waivers randy myers? Seems I remember san diego (??) claiming him to prevent him going to another contender.

I'm pretty sure the Yankees claimed either Canseco or Mondesi to keep him from Boston just a few years ago, and ended up stuck with his bloated salary and complete uselessness in the field. I recall a lot of Yankee fans screaming and complaining about that.

CTA513
08-04-2006, 03:54 PM
An unnamed team has been awarded a claim of Jones. The Braves have until 1pm Saturday to decide if they are going to trade him or keep him for the rest of the year.

Braves should do a salary dump and trade him to the Reds for almost nothing.

:thumbup:



:p:

reds44
08-04-2006, 04:41 PM
Somebody claimed him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2539544


With Andruw Jones only days away from gaining trade veto power, the All-Star center fielder was claimed on waivers by an unnamed team, leaving the Braves until 1 p.m. ET Saturday to decide whether to take their last opportunity to deal Jones unfettered.

Andruw Jones
Center Field
Atlanta Braves

Profile
2006 SEASON STATISTICS
GM HR RBI R OBP AVG
104 25 93 63 .351 .271



That Jones was placed on waivers is unremarkable; he was one of hundreds of players, including many stars, who were placed on waivers earlier this week. What makes Jones' situation interesting is that on Aug. 15, he will gain 10-and-5 rights -- 10 years in the big leagues, five with the same team -- to block any proposed trade.



Multiple teams placed claims on Jones, according to major-league sources. But on Thursday afternoon, one team was awarded a claim on Jones. Now the Braves have two choices -- either work out a trade with the team who placed the claim by Saturday or pull Jones back from waivers. If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this season.


Jones' value in the trade market is relatively high right now, because he is a highly productive player locked up for only one more year -- at $13.5 million -- at a time when players like Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee might command $70 million packages on the free-agent market.


The Boston Red Sox tried to deal for Jones leading up to the trade deadline, with some intent to try to flip him to the Houston Astros for Roy Oswalt. Some scouts also think that the Los Angeles Angels, who've been looking for a bat, might have high interest in Jones.



Atlanta GM John Schuerholz, reached on his cell phone, said Friday afternoon that he would not comment on the team's internal business.


Buster Olney is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

doug flynn
08-04-2006, 07:18 PM
That wild and wacky Wayne is playing with his new cell phone again. ;)

TeamBoone
08-04-2006, 07:32 PM
08/04/2006


Players on waivers usually routine
It's not always indicative of who's on the trading block
By Mark Bowman / MLB.com

Andruw Jones is not necessarily available -- most players are placed on waivers to conceal a team's true intentions. (Bill Boyce/AP)

ATLANTA -- There really wasn't reason for Andruw Jones to act surprised when informed on Thursday that the Braves had placed him on the waiver wire. This isn't the first time he's been there and it's no secret that a large percentage of Major Leaguers are put on waivers by their respective clubs during the first few days of August.
Word that Jones had been placed on the waiver wire was treated as big news in Atlanta on Thursday and Friday. Had the Gold Glove center fielder's name not been included in a number of trade rumors, including one that had him going to the Red Sox, earlier this week, this realization may not have created much of a stir.

According to a high-ranking Braves official, this is a simple procedural process that teams go through on an annual basis. In other words, a multitude of players, ranging from a veteran like John Smoltz to a role player like Matt Diaz, will be placed on waivers to gauge interest from other teams.

If Jones (either Andruw or Chipper), were the only player placed on the waiver wire by the Braves, then all other teams would know exactly who the Braves were looking to move. By placing many, or, in some instances, every member of their 25-man roster on waivers, a team can at least keep their intentions masked.

But there are at least some reasons to believe the Braves are interested in trading Andruw Jones. When he becomes a 10-and-5 player (10 years of Major League service time and 5 consecutive seasons in the same organization) in mid-August, the eight-time Gold Glove center fielder will have the right to reject potential trades.

Jones will become a free agent at the end of the 2007 season and with Scott Boras as his agent, he may demand a salary much steeper than the Braves are willing to offer. They already have Chipper Jones and Tim Hudson locked into large salaries through the 2009 season and both Jeff Francoeur and Brian McCann will soon become arbitration-eligible players.

Andruw Jones' salary ($13 million this season and $13.5 for the 2007 season) wouldn't scare too many big-budgeted teams away, thus there's certainly a chance he could be moved this month. But he's made it known his primary desire is to stay in Atlanta.

"I got my house [in Atlanta]," Jones said. "My wife's family is here. So why not stay in Atlanta? I don't have control on that."

In two weeks, Jones will have some control with his right to veto any potential trades. But that doesn't necessarily mean the Braves feel they must move their prized outfielder.

Here is a look at how a trade can be completed via the waiver wire process:

In most instances, teams place a large number of their players on waivers and still never follow through with a trade. But through this process, they can at least gauge interest and see if there are sensible and available trade options that would allow them to fill a present need or relieve themselves of a high-salaried player.

With the passing of Monday's trade deadline, all teams must now pass players through waivers before trading them.

Beginning Tuesday, all teams were permitted to place as many as seven players per day on the waiver wire. Thus by Friday, many teams will have already put members of their 25-man roster on waivers.

Multiple teams can claim a player who has been placed on waivers. If two teams were to claim a specific player, the lower-ranking team according to winning percentage (whether it be an American or National League team), is given rights to that player for 48 hours.

If the Astros and Red Sox were to both put a claim on Andruw Jones, the Astros would have that 48-hour period to discuss a trade with the Braves. If nothing materialized, Jones would remain with the Braves.

All players remain on the waiver wire for two full business days. If they are never claimed, they can be traded at any point, to any team for the remainder of the season. But to be eligible for the postseason, a player must be traded by Aug. 31.

If a player is claimed by a team and a deal never materializes, a team will not likely place them back on waivers. When they initially place a player on waivers, a team has the right to pull them back at any time.

But when a player is placed on waivers a second time, the claim is irrevocable. Thus any claiming team owns the rights and a trade must be completed.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060804&content_id=1592586&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

redsfan4445
08-04-2006, 07:33 PM
That wild and wacky Wayne is playing with his new cell phone again. ;)


Could you imagine if it was true and it was Wayne?? WOW