PDA

View Full Version : Am I the only person that finds it hard to like Rich Aurilia?



reds44
08-05-2006, 01:35 AM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060804&content_id=1592848&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin


CINCINNATI -- Playing every day lately has been quite becoming for infielder Rich Aurilia's offensive production for the Reds.
Aurilia entered Friday batting .339 (20-for-59) with three homers and seven RBIs since the All-Star break, while playing 17 of the last 19 games. His on-base-plus slugging percentage was a robust .985. In the first half, he batted .267 with an .807 OPS.

Most of the 34-year-old's plate appearances have come while playing regularly at third base and batting fourth. Because Edwin Encarnacion was a fixture at the spot, Aurilia saw a reduced amount of playing time in the first half. But his solid glove created increased playing time in place of the more error-prone Encarnacion.

"I'm a guy that's used to playing every day," Aurilia said. "Ask any hitter -- it's hard to get on a roll when you're not playing consistently. Earlier in the year, I was just playing against lefties. Then I started playing against some really tough righties. Then I started playing against everybody. When you play consistently, you have a chance to find your comfort zone. I think that has a lot to do with it."

Playing mostly one position might have benefited Aurilia as well. He had hits in 20 of 23 games since July 1, but was 0-for-3 as the Reds notched only two hits in Thursday's 3-0 loss to the Dodgers.

"Does it help knowing you're going to be in there at one spot? Yeah," Aurilia said. "Because anytime you play a lot and can come in and not have to look at the lineup and know where you'll be, mentally that takes a little off your mind. We don't have the luxury around here to do that. We have a lot of different lineups and a lot of different guys playing."
Incidentally, Friday marked Reds manager Jerry Narron's 94th different lineup used in 109 games this season.

Still, Aurilia had gotten so used to being at third base lately that he was surprised when he found out Thursday he was the starting second baseman as Brandon Phillips was rested.

It was only Aurilia's second start at second base this season, his first since April 15.

"It's weird," Aurilia said. "Because the other day, I was thinking, 'I don't know if anybody remembers that I played shortstop for 10 years and 70 games at second base last year, because I hadn't played there in a while.' I showed up yesterday and I was at second."

On Friday, with left-hander Chuck James pitching for Atlanta, Aurilia started at first base for lefty hitter Scott Hatteberg. Lately, Narron has been seeking chances to boost the offense by having both Aurilia and Encarnacion in the lineup.

"It helps that I've been in pennant races before and played through times like this," Aurilia said. "To me, it shows more that I move around. They trust me to play anywhere and I have confidence to play anywhere."

Without a doubt he has been producing, but could him and Edwin be any more different? Last year when he didn't play everyday he whined and was a cancer in the clubhouse. Now he makes excuses for his poor hitting at the beginning of the year on not playing everyday. Meanwhile, Edwin just says he would like to be in the lineup everyday, but he'll be ready for whatever is asked of him and as long as the team wins he is happy.

Now yes I am one of the biggest Edwin homers around, but still the 2 guys are complete opposites.

Fullboat
08-05-2006, 01:42 AM
RA is a Vet & EE is a Rook thats the way it is in baseball.RA has
more say right or wrong.

kheidg-
08-05-2006, 01:51 AM
Aurilia is never going to like it if he's not playing. Encarnacion really has no say, if he complains - he knows he has options left.

That said, Aurilia has been solid this year and he deserves at bats. But by all means - start Encarnacion and put in a defensive replacement for him late in the game, his stick is needed w/o Kearns/Lopez is in the lineup.

reds44
08-05-2006, 01:56 AM
Aurilia is never going to like it if he's not playing. Encarnacion really has no say, if he complains - he knows he has options left.

That said, Aurilia has been solid this year and he deserves at bats. But by all means - start Encarnacion and put in a defensive replacement for him late in the game, his stick is needed w/o Kearns/Lopez is in the lineup.
Exactly! What would be so wrong with using him and his bat for the 1st 7 or 8innings and putting Castro in late? Wasn't Castro brough here to be a defensive replacement?

Like tonight Edwin gets the go ahead 2 rbi double in the 6th, then in the 8th Castro comes in and plays defense for him.

The Baumer
08-05-2006, 03:40 AM
You're looking too much into his words, trying to find the attitude of a greedy, selfish player. What he said is all true for anyone. The more you play the easier it is to get into a groove. He never blamed a poor start on playing time (did he even have a poor start?), he just said that he kept proving himself against lefties and then righties and eventually he became an everyday player.

dsmith421
08-05-2006, 03:52 AM
Rich has done a fantastic job.

But I'm with reds44. Look at what Joe Randa said last year: the man was completely clear about the fact that Edwin was the future at third base.

GAC
08-05-2006, 04:34 AM
Aurilia is never going to like it if he's not playing.

But no player likes it when they are not starting. Any player that does, or carries an attitude of indifference, I don't want on the roster to begin with.


Encarnacion really has no say, if he complains - he knows he has options left.

I doubt very much that that is on EE's mind. From what I have read, he seems to be carrying a very positive attitude. He continues to work hard and makes the most of the opportunities given him.

I think this whole situation has been way overblown far more by the fans then anyone else.

If we falter in this second half, for the most part, it will be due to the pitching, which while improved, is still in the bottom tier overall in MLB.

If you find it hard to like Rich Aurilia, remember.... it's not his fault that he is getting playing time. He doesn't make out the roster or batting order. ;)

KronoRed
08-05-2006, 04:34 AM
No you're not.

I'm glad when he does well and helps the Reds, but stuff like this and last year is why I won't be sad to see him become a former Red one of these days.

GAC
08-05-2006, 04:45 AM
Rich has done a fantastic job.

But I'm with reds44. Look at what Joe Randa said last year: the man was completely clear about the fact that Edwin was the future at third base.

And where has Aurilia said anything about the subject, or that EE isn't?

Again - it's not RA's fault that he's getting the playing time. And if people think he is getting the playing time because of the fear he'll complain or throw a temper tantrum, then they are misguided IMO.

Maybe Narron wouldn't do anything about it, but if any player started causing trouble in that clubhouse, then I don't think Castellini/Krivsky would put up with it. Especially an Aurilia, who makes 1.3 Mil, with a mutual option for 2 Mil next year. He'd be gone in a heartbeat.

People like to site RA's sub .700 OPS vs righties. And it is nothing to brag about. So why don't we go down this roster and emphasize/pick apart the "holes" in some of the other starter's performance. Because we could. ;)


http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060804&content_id=1592848&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin
Last year when he didn't play everyday he whined and was a cancer in the clubhouse. Now he makes excuses for his poor hitting at the beginning of the year on not playing everyday.
Now yes I am one of the biggest Edwin homers around, but still the 2 guys are complete opposites.

And reds44 - you're reading into... and trying to make too much out of this article as far as I'm concerned.

I have no problem at all with your support for EE. But you are allowing your "prejudices" to somewhat skewer your thinking on this Aurilia situation as far as I'm concerned.

Did he complain last year? Yes he did. But nowhere was it reported, by his teammates or anyone else, that he was a "cancer" in the clubhouse. That is your assertion.

And this is 2006 - get over it, and quit drudging this stuff up.

People are getting a little tired of this Aurilia-Encarnacion situation on here.

It is beating a subject too death as far as many are concerned.

There is far more to this ballclub, and greater problems that need addressing.

Ltlabner
08-05-2006, 05:25 AM
Like tonight Edwin gets the go ahead 2 rbi double in the 6th, then in the 8th Castro comes in and plays defense for him.

Yes, he did hit a go ahead 2 RBI double, and it was nice. But he also allowed a runner (some call it giving up outs which is a bad thing I hear) due to a throwing error. That error resulted in an additional run so his 2RBI is only 1RBI total.

I don't say that to bash the kid but lets be objective about his performance.


There is far more to this ballclub, and greater problems that need addressing.


Exactly, it's all window dressing compared to handling the pitching staff and Jr's continued slide. Figuring out how to deal with those effectivley are far more serrious issues.


Now yes I am one of the biggest Edwin homers around And the award for "most obvious statement of the year" award goes to....... :)

GAC
08-05-2006, 05:59 AM
Like tonight Edwin gets the go ahead 2 rbi double in the 6th, then in the 8th Castro comes in and plays defense for him.

And most on the gamethread were complaining about it too, when Castro came in.... saying how it was gonna destroy EE's confidence - especially after the hit/RBI they replace him.

And yet who made a spectacular play to start the game ending DP? Would EE have made that play? Possibly. But on a similar play earlier he didn't. ;)

Ltlabner
08-05-2006, 07:53 AM
And most on the gamethread were complaining about it too, when Castro came in.... saying how it was gonna destroy EE's confidence - especially after the hit/RBI they replace him.

Is that the same Castro who had an RBI? And played a role in the game ending DP? ;)

So if we are keeping score thats 2 RBI's and a throwing error that resulted in giving up an additional run for EE. And a RBI and a solid defenseive play for that ageing, horrible, scrappy vet.

traderumor
08-05-2006, 08:05 AM
I don't care if I personally like Reds players. I want the Reds to have players that win baseball games, period. Leave frivolity for who we invite to backyard BBQs.

Spring~Fields
08-05-2006, 08:23 AM
"I'm a guy that's used to playing every day," Aurilia said. "Ask any hitter -- it's hard to get on a roll when you're not playing consistently. Earlier in the year, I was just playing against lefties. Then I started playing against some really tough righties. Then I started playing against everybody. When you play consistently, you have a chance to find your comfort zone. I think that has a lot to do with it."

Playing mostly one position might have benefited Aurilia as well. He had hits in 20 of 23 games since July 1, but was 0-for-3 as the Reds notched only two hits in Thursday's 3-0 loss to the Dodgers.

"Does it help knowing you're going to be in there at one spot? Yeah," Aurilia said. "Because anytime you play a lot and can come in and not have to look at the lineup and know where you'll be, mentally that takes a little off your mind. We don't have the luxury around here to do that. We have a lot of different lineups and a lot of different guys playing."

Maybe Aurilia and Griffey are right about playing everyday and hitting in the same spot in the order, that it helps a player, I recall Kearns saying the same thing. Maybe Narron should give it a try and see how it goes for the rest of his starting eight. Apparently Aurilia can still play some second base, so that should make matters easier for Narron to put his best eight on the field. Griffey an all century player knows quite a bit about hitting, his record would show that he knows more than Narron knows about hitting.

Freel Rf
Phillips ss
Dunn Lf
Griffey Cf
Encarcion 3b
Ross C
Aurilia 2b
Hattiberg 1b
Pitcher

PuffyPig
08-05-2006, 08:38 AM
Freel Rf
Phillips ss
Dunn Lf
Griffey Cf
Encarcion 3b
Ross C
Aurilia 2b
Hattiberg 1b
Pitcher

Why have our best OBA guy (and 2nd best OPS guy) hitting 8th?

Hoosier Red
08-05-2006, 09:25 AM
One other thing to keep in mind,

Aurillia last year was a veteran player looking towards the end of his career, playing on a losing team.

Encarnacion is a young player with a lot of baseball left in him, playing on a winning team.

Very different circumstances.

Also to be fair Aurillia has changed his stance as well. He has learned to play every position on the infield in order to get more playing time. Before 2005 Aurillia had played 48 games at a position other than SS.
Since joining the Reds he has played almost no SS.
That's not exactly whining.

Joseph
08-05-2006, 10:38 AM
I've said it before, I'll say it again....Jerry Narron makes it hard for me to like Rich Aurilia.

edabbs44
08-05-2006, 10:40 AM
Rich has done a fantastic job.

But I'm with reds44. Look at what Joe Randa said last year: the man was completely clear about the fact that Edwin was the future at third base.
And next year, Corey Koskie might be saying the same thing. Then the following year, it will be Vinny Castilla.

Tommyjohn25
08-05-2006, 11:10 AM
I don't see the big deal about a single word that he said in that article, at all. I personally think some here are reaching, the guy is helping the Reds win ballgames for gods sake. Don't get me all wrong, I'm an EE fan, but for the love of all things sacred this discussion has to stop. Both Rich and EE are good players, both have the opportunity to help this club in their own ways, let it play out on the field and ENJOY the pennant race!

REDREAD
08-05-2006, 11:29 AM
[Without a doubt he has been producing, but could him and Edwin be any more different? Last year when he didn't play everyday he whined and was a cancer in the clubhouse. Now he makes excuses for his poor hitting at the beginning of the year on not playing everyday. Meanwhile, Edwin just says he would like to be in the lineup everyday, but he'll be ready for whatever is asked of him and as long as the team wins he is happy.
.

I didn't take anything he said in the article as criticism of the Reds. It looked like he was telling the truth and had evidence to back it up.. he does hit a lot better when he plays everyday.

Matt700wlw
08-05-2006, 11:44 AM
Aurilia is never going to like it if he's not playing.

Can't really say that's a bad thing. He wants to play and he wants to win. I don't think he cares WHERE he plays, he just wants to do his part on a daily basis.

He's done a good job this year, and has been a good addition to the lineup...I just wish EE could play everyday as well, but I'm not the manager and it's not my decision.

Spitball
08-05-2006, 12:09 PM
I didn't take anything he said in the article as criticism of the Reds. It looked like he was telling the truth and had evidence to back it up.. he does hit a lot better when he plays everyday.

I agree.

Also, I'd like to add my humble opinion here. There is neither a single fair nor valid purpose to taking newspaper quotes and trying to infer some kind of attitude or agenda that is not directly stated.

dougdirt
08-05-2006, 12:30 PM
Edwin>Rich.

All I have to say.

westofyou
08-05-2006, 12:46 PM
I personally think some here are reaching,

Yep, I see it too... cheap shots, cheap shots (and I'm not an Aurilia fan) wishing failure on Clayton so he disappears, infrence that everyone running the Reds is dumber than Mortimer Snerd and the sheer endless act of creating nothing out of something small and meaningless.

Yawn.... all that noise drowns out real analysis and drops the level of discussion a noch... IMO that is.

RBA
08-05-2006, 01:23 PM
I don't care what anyone says. I don't. That's why I'm on a message board reading what others say, because I don't care what they say.

EE made a bad throw. With more playing time and seasoning, he will cut that down. Knowing that EE sometimes makes a bonehead throw, the FIRST BASEMAN has a DUTY! to make more than a half-BUTTed attempt to pick the ball. I call it a team error leaning more to Rich "I need to play everyday to get in a groove" Aurilia for the error.

End of "INTELLIGENT" discussion there. ;)

BoydsOfSummer
08-05-2006, 02:03 PM
The best player is sitting. That he is a develpoing young guy makes it worse. It makes me not like Aurilia more than I already disliked him.

KronoRed
08-05-2006, 03:39 PM
I don't care what anyone says. I don't. That's why I'm on a message board reading what others say, because I don't care what they say.

EE made a bad throw. With more playing time and seasoning, he will cut that down. Knowing that EE sometimes makes a bonehead throw, the FIRST BASEMAN has a DUTY! to make more than a half-BUTTed attempt to pick the ball. I call it a team error leaning more to Rich "I need to play everyday to get in a groove" Aurilia for the error.

End of "INTELLIGENT" discussion there. ;)
So what are the rest of the posts? :devil:

Tony Cloninger
08-05-2006, 03:57 PM
Casey Stengel had a saying...... "I have no use for those ballplayers who drive in a run or two....while helping let in another 2 or 3."

That is not a jab at EE......and no praise for RA.

EE has the better range (duh) but RA makes less mistakes out there.

IF RA was hitting like he was in April-May of 2005...... than i do not think he would be starting as much. I mean EE has been more error prone than Lopez was when FL took over for RA in 2005.

Plus...again.....this team is in the hunt for a playoff spot.

I am still baffled though as to why no one questions JN's almost daddy dearest handling of EE sometimes. I mean that....in the way he has 0 Tolerance for EE's mistakes...... which Frel and Clayton have made enough of in 1 week....to comp any that EE has made all year.

I think Clayton playing over Castro is a bigger issue.
Castro will be exposed if he plays every day....but he should play about half the time.
Play Clayton against LHP.....he has hit them better.

TeamBoone
08-05-2006, 05:17 PM
Per Rich, the Reds may not have the luxury of putting out a consistent lineup every day because they have a lot of players to play with, but he can't complain, personally, about not having a permanent place in that lineup.... he hits fourth way more often than not.

traderumor
08-05-2006, 05:27 PM
This topic takes on new meaning after that stellar performance by our clean up hitter and third baseman extraordinaire today. Rich stunk it up today, but then he did seem to enjoy the ribbing he took after looking silly on the popup. I rode him hard last year, but he's kinda grown on me. Lord, help me.

Big Klu
08-05-2006, 11:50 PM
I rode him hard last year, but he's kinda grown on me.

Me too. I was critical of his early playing time last year at SS over Felipe Lopez, though I was satisfied with his offensive performance for the season, especially after he moved to 2B.

This year, he is actually one of my favorite players on the team. (WOOOOO! Nature Boy!) I also really like Edwin Encarnacion, and I know that Edwin is the future of the team at 3B. But I am very happy with Aurilia's performance at the plate and in the field this year. I would like to see some way to occasionally get Edwin, Rich, and Scott Hatteberg in the lineup at the same time, but overall I can't complain.

Here's to hoping that the Reds have the opportunity to use Edwin as the DH in October! ;)

Spitball
08-06-2006, 12:55 AM
This year, he is actually one of my favorite players on the team.

You know, I find myself really rooting for RA, and I believe 99% of the reason is because of the ridiculous critism he receives from some on this board. I really like Encarnacion, but, frankly, the silly bias really makes it more difficult.

GAC
08-06-2006, 06:18 AM
This topic takes on new meaning after that stellar performance by our clean up hitter and third baseman extraordinaire today. Rich stunk it up today, but then he did seem to enjoy the ribbing he took after looking silly on the popup. I rode him hard last year, but he's kinda grown on me. Lord, help me.

That was funny. They had a mic on Hatteberg - and between him and Jr giving Aurilia a hard time it was hilarious. But seeing moments like those in the dugout show me that there is a comradery among these group of guys. They were all laughing.

I watched that play (replay) and it looked to me like he was camped under it and ready to make the catch; but the ball didn't come straight down but really tailed away. Wind shear? :lol:

You know he had to be embarassed.

He definitely had a bad day though. But it happens. The question is... "Does he consistently have those days defensively?"

GAC
08-06-2006, 06:42 AM
You know, I find myself really rooting for RA, and I believe 99% of the reason is because of the ridiculous critism he receives from some on this board. I really like Encarnacion, but, frankly, the silly bias really makes it more difficult.

I like the guy, and rooted for him last year. He started out slow because of trying to play through an injury (strained groin Apr-May). But when healthy, played pretty decent. Especially for the $500,000 we were paying him (1.3 Mil this year).

But you nailed it Spitball. Alot of people on here are hating Aurilia MORE, not necessarily because of his performance on the field, but because EE is not getting the playing time.

And that is not Aurilia's fault.

The guy, in 79 games, is OPSing .831 with 14 HRs. He's 5th on the team in Runs (41), RBIs (44), hits (79), and Total Bases (142). 4th in SLG% (.498).

Now compare that to the guy in the #3 hole who is making over 10 Mil/yr....or the guy playing SS named Clayton?.... that, IMO, is justifiable anger.

And we're starting threads on Aurilia??

I kinda hope the guy turns down the option and leaves afte this year.

Then, when we are staring at a bench of guys like Castro and/or Clayton, Valentin, and whoever, people will be saying they miss Aurilia. ;)

Of course some will come on here now and say they won't; but their decision, IMO, is rooted more on a displaced hatred (again because of EE) and not overall performance.

If you think RA should be playing 2B (BP to SS), platooning at 1B with Hat, or whatever - you won't get any argument from me.

But again - THAT IS NOT AURILIA'S FAULT! ;)

IMO - your hatred is misplaced.

redsmetz
08-06-2006, 07:08 AM
You're looking too much into his words, trying to find the attitude of a greedy, selfish player. What he said is all true for anyone. The more you play the easier it is to get into a groove. He never blamed a poor start on playing time (did he even have a poor start?), he just said that he kept proving himself against lefties and then righties and eventually he became an everyday player.

Absolutely, plus he's talking about the experience of having been in a race late in the season. I want some cockiness in my team and that's different than whining (which he clearly did last year - but I think he was misled last year - he came in knowing his role this year - which has expanded).

bucksfan
08-06-2006, 11:52 AM
You know, I find myself really rooting for RA, and I believe 99% of the reason is because of the ridiculous critism he receives from some on this board. I really like Encarnacion, but, frankly, the silly bias really makes it more difficult.

You summed up my feelings nicely, Spitball. He seems to be performing pretty well for the $, both this year and last and he did not say one thing in the article that I would not expect any real competitive player to say. He may have come across whiney, esp. at times last year, and he may be taking some time away from EE, but he is playing pretty well and is a solid contributor for the $ we are paying him. Disliking him is about one-zillionth on my list of things to do.

Redsland
08-06-2006, 07:19 PM
I did not like the way he was handed the starting SS job out of ST last year, and I despised the way he complained about PT after coming off the DL while FeLo was putting together an AS resume.

But the fact is, he's a good bat and a versatile glove who's never complained about playing all around the horn...and he's cheap. Who knows: his veteran-ness may even come in handy in October.

I still rib him because of last year, but he's grown on me.

Cedric
08-06-2006, 07:41 PM
I have no clue what he said wrong in that interview.

I don't want him starting over Edwin either, but I do'nt really know what you got bad out of that interview.

TC81190
08-07-2006, 06:44 PM
You're looking too much into his words, trying to find the attitude of a greedy, selfish player. What he said is all true for anyone. The more you play the easier it is to get into a groove. He never blamed a poor start on playing time (did he even have a poor start?), he just said that he kept proving himself against lefties and then righties and eventually he became an everyday player.

Yep.

And for the record, I'm thrilled with him.

276/331/497.

Good stuff from a cheap player.